Agreed on the EMC comment. Thanks to all that have responded to my initial question regarding Hitachi Systems.
-----Original Message----- From: Glenn Walker [mailto:ggwalker@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:48 AM To: jeff.mery@ni.com; Linux Admin Cc: bjacobson; Kristian Ejvind (KI/EAB); owner-toasters@mathworks.com; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: RE: Hitachi SAN Systems
Last I heard, Hitachi was no longer reselling the GFILER product.
However, NetApp has considerable effort behind the V-SERIES (same thing, basically) which you can stick in front of pretty much any other SAN-based storage platform. I can't see that going away, and I'm sure it will still support Hitachi.
I personally can't wait to see someone implement a V-Series NetApp in front of an EMC array... I'm sure that would make the EMC guys have a small kitten.
Glenn
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From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com on behalf of jeff.mery@ni.com Sent: Thu 3/16/2006 11:03 AM To: Linux Admin Cc: Bret Jacobson; Kristian Ejvind (KI/EAB); owner-toasters@mathworks.com; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Re: Hitachi SAN Systems
There's no NetApp equivalent from HDS because they resell (oem maybe?) the V-Series from NetApp. You can have your cake and eat it too! =)
As to your other points: Japan-glish documentation - 'nuff said We only use two tools (Storage Navigator and the HORCM stuff) - no complaints LUN Deletion - not a problem on the 9900V-series systems USP: Yep USP: Yep USP: Yep
On the USP stuff (issues apply to our 9900V's as well), I do wish we could layout our own LDEVs. We use a mixture of 20GB and 40GB OPEN-V LDEVs and would love to be able to change them from time to time. If for any other reason that to make scheduling the work easier. HDS is super-sensitive about who gets on their boxes...wish they weren't.
Jeff Mery - MCSE, MCP National Instruments
------------------------------------------------------------------------ - "Allow me to extol the virtues of the Net Fairy, and of all the fantastic dorks that make the nice packets go from here to there. Amen." TB - Penny Arcade ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -
"Linux Admin" sysadmin.linux@gmail.com Sent by: owner-toasters@mathworks.com
03/15/2006 01:54 PM
To "Kristian Ejvind (KI/EAB)" kristian.ejvind@ericsson.com cc "Bret Jacobson" bjacobson@micron.com, toasters@mathworks.com Subject Re: Hitachi SAN Systems
HDS storage is great for many reason. 95xx series and USP definitely have great features. USP shows great performance. (to many to discuss, I am sure HDS sales rep will cover that)
I just want to point out few obvious caveats (sorry HDS):
No equivalent of toasters in HDS world (or any support forum/mailing list, etc.) Cryptic Documentation. To many GUI/CLI to learn (Storage NAV, Device Manager, HSSM, DUMP, DUMP CLI) 95xx can not delete LUNS (only last one you created) USP raid groups and basic config are laid out by HDS USP: can not touch it with HDS FE. USP: you loose 1 additional chip port for each external chip port.
On 3/13/06, Kristian Ejvind (KI/EAB) <kristian.ejvind@ericsson.com mailto:kristian.ejvind@ericsson.com > wrote:
Has anyone had experience with Hitachi's SAN devices? What I have always heard is that their products are good but their support is terrible. Any experiences with these units and/or support? Thx.
In a former life, I used to manage a couple of HDS 95xx series boxes. My experience was that to get started you definitely need to have an experienced person close by to guide you through the terms and language. All written information is in "japaneese in english", so you have to think a little when reading anything. (Label on the box: "Be careful of the drop. It is heavy." Another label that I don't remember exactly, something like "HOT to the hand. Careful!" :)
Management software is terribly slow, it takes ages to do anything. Booting the HDS is oh-so-slow (3-12 minutes). (Btw. at that time we moved from LSI to HDS, and the LSI unit booted in about 10-20 seconds! What a difference.)
HOWEVER: once in place - the HDS rocks! Impressing speed, reliable, just what you want.
For support I guess it depends on your local support channel - we were satisfied with our support, although we never had to consult them for anything more serious than disk replacements.
/Kristian
IIRC....NetApp did this at the product lauch for the V-Series.
http://netapp.com/news/press/news_rel_20050412
Jeff Mery - MCSE, MCP National Instruments
------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Allow me to extol the virtues of the Net Fairy, and of all the fantastic dorks that make the nice packets go from here to there. Amen." TB - Penny Arcade -------------------------------------------------------------------------
bjacobson@micron.com 03/16/2006 11:52 AM
To ggwalker@mindspring.com, jeff.mery@ni.com, sysadmin.linux@gmail.com cc kristian.ejvind@ericsson.com, owner-toasters@mathworks.com, toasters@mathworks.com Subject RE: Hitachi SAN Systems
Agreed on the EMC comment. Thanks to all that have responded to my initial question regarding Hitachi Systems.
-----Original Message----- From: Glenn Walker [mailto:ggwalker@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:48 AM To: jeff.mery@ni.com; Linux Admin Cc: bjacobson; Kristian Ejvind (KI/EAB); owner-toasters@mathworks.com; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: RE: Hitachi SAN Systems
Last I heard, Hitachi was no longer reselling the GFILER product.
However, NetApp has considerable effort behind the V-SERIES (same thing, basically) which you can stick in front of pretty much any other SAN-based storage platform. I can't see that going away, and I'm sure it will still support Hitachi.
I personally can't wait to see someone implement a V-Series NetApp in front of an EMC array... I'm sure that would make the EMC guys have a small kitten.
Glenn
________________________________
From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com on behalf of jeff.mery@ni.com Sent: Thu 3/16/2006 11:03 AM To: Linux Admin Cc: Bret Jacobson; Kristian Ejvind (KI/EAB); owner-toasters@mathworks.com; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Re: Hitachi SAN Systems
There's no NetApp equivalent from HDS because they resell (oem maybe?) the V-Series from NetApp. You can have your cake and eat it too! =)
As to your other points: Japan-glish documentation - 'nuff said We only use two tools (Storage Navigator and the HORCM stuff) - no complaints LUN Deletion - not a problem on the 9900V-series systems USP: Yep USP: Yep USP: Yep
On the USP stuff (issues apply to our 9900V's as well), I do wish we could layout our own LDEVs. We use a mixture of 20GB and 40GB OPEN-V LDEVs and would love to be able to change them from time to time. If for any other reason that to make scheduling the work easier. HDS is super-sensitive about who gets on their boxes...wish they weren't.
Jeff Mery - MCSE, MCP National Instruments
------------------------------------------------------------------------ - "Allow me to extol the virtues of the Net Fairy, and of all the fantastic dorks that make the nice packets go from here to there. Amen." TB - Penny Arcade ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -
"Linux Admin" sysadmin.linux@gmail.com Sent by: owner-toasters@mathworks.com
03/15/2006 01:54 PM
To "Kristian Ejvind (KI/EAB)" kristian.ejvind@ericsson.com cc "Bret Jacobson" bjacobson@micron.com, toasters@mathworks.com Subject Re: Hitachi SAN Systems
HDS storage is great for many reason. 95xx series and USP definitely have great features. USP shows great performance. (to many to discuss, I am sure HDS sales rep will cover that)
I just want to point out few obvious caveats (sorry HDS):
No equivalent of toasters in HDS world (or any support forum/mailing list, etc.) Cryptic Documentation. To many GUI/CLI to learn (Storage NAV, Device Manager, HSSM, DUMP, DUMP CLI) 95xx can not delete LUNS (only last one you created) USP raid groups and basic config are laid out by HDS USP: can not touch it with HDS FE. USP: you loose 1 additional chip port for each external chip port.
On 3/13/06, Kristian Ejvind (KI/EAB) <kristian.ejvind@ericsson.com mailto:kristian.ejvind@ericsson.com > wrote:
Has anyone had experience with Hitachi's SAN devices? What I have always heard is that their products are good but their support is terrible. Any experiences with these units and/or support? Thx.
In a former life, I used to manage a couple of HDS 95xx series boxes. My experience was that to get started you definitely need to have an experienced person close by to guide you through the terms and language. All written information is in "japaneese in english", so you have to think a little when reading anything. (Label on the box: "Be careful of the drop. It is heavy." Another label that I don't remember exactly, something like "HOT to the hand. Careful!" :)
Management software is terribly slow, it takes ages to do anything. Booting the HDS is oh-so-slow (3-12 minutes). (Btw. at that time we moved from LSI to HDS, and the LSI unit booted in about 10-20 seconds! What a difference.)
HOWEVER: once in place - the HDS rocks! Impressing speed, reliable, just what you want.
For support I guess it depends on your local support channel - we were satisfied with our support, although we never had to consult them for anything more serious than disk replacements.
/Kristian
While that excites me, I'd like to see a _customer_ stick a Filer in front of the EMC... NetApp doing it is impressive, but doesn't cut quite as deeply ;)
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From: jeff.mery@ni.com [mailto:jeff.mery@ni.com] Sent: Thu 3/16/2006 1:12 PM To: bjacobson@micron.com Cc: Glenn Walker; kristian.ejvind@ericsson.com; owner-toasters@mathworks.com; sysadmin.linux@gmail.com; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: RE: Hitachi SAN Systems
IIRC....NetApp did this at the product lauch for the V-Series.
http://netapp.com/news/press/news_rel_20050412
Jeff Mery - MCSE, MCP National Instruments
------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Allow me to extol the virtues of the Net Fairy, and of all the fantastic dorks that make the nice packets go from here to there. Amen." TB - Penny Arcade -------------------------------------------------------------------------
bjacobson@micron.com
03/16/2006 11:52 AM
To ggwalker@mindspring.com, jeff.mery@ni.com, sysadmin.linux@gmail.com cc kristian.ejvind@ericsson.com, owner-toasters@mathworks.com, toasters@mathworks.com Subject RE: Hitachi SAN Systems
Agreed on the EMC comment. Thanks to all that have responded to my initial question regarding Hitachi Systems.
-----Original Message----- From: Glenn Walker [mailto:ggwalker@mindspring.com] Sent: Thursday, March 16, 2006 10:48 AM To: jeff.mery@ni.com; Linux Admin Cc: bjacobson; Kristian Ejvind (KI/EAB); owner-toasters@mathworks.com; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: RE: Hitachi SAN Systems
Last I heard, Hitachi was no longer reselling the GFILER product.
However, NetApp has considerable effort behind the V-SERIES (same thing, basically) which you can stick in front of pretty much any other SAN-based storage platform. I can't see that going away, and I'm sure it will still support Hitachi.
I personally can't wait to see someone implement a V-Series NetApp in front of an EMC array... I'm sure that would make the EMC guys have a small kitten.
Glenn
________________________________
From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com on behalf of jeff.mery@ni.com Sent: Thu 3/16/2006 11:03 AM To: Linux Admin Cc: Bret Jacobson; Kristian Ejvind (KI/EAB); owner-toasters@mathworks.com; toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Re: Hitachi SAN Systems
There's no NetApp equivalent from HDS because they resell (oem maybe?) the V-Series from NetApp. You can have your cake and eat it too! =)
As to your other points: Japan-glish documentation - 'nuff said We only use two tools (Storage Navigator and the HORCM stuff) - no complaints LUN Deletion - not a problem on the 9900V-series systems USP: Yep USP: Yep USP: Yep
On the USP stuff (issues apply to our 9900V's as well), I do wish we could layout our own LDEVs. We use a mixture of 20GB and 40GB OPEN-V LDEVs and would love to be able to change them from time to time. If for any other reason that to make scheduling the work easier. HDS is super-sensitive about who gets on their boxes...wish they weren't.
Jeff Mery - MCSE, MCP National Instruments
------------------------------------------------------------------------ - "Allow me to extol the virtues of the Net Fairy, and of all the fantastic dorks that make the nice packets go from here to there. Amen." TB - Penny Arcade ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -
"Linux Admin" sysadmin.linux@gmail.com Sent by: owner-toasters@mathworks.com
03/15/2006 01:54 PM
To "Kristian Ejvind (KI/EAB)" kristian.ejvind@ericsson.com cc "Bret Jacobson" bjacobson@micron.com, toasters@mathworks.com Subject Re: Hitachi SAN Systems
HDS storage is great for many reason. 95xx series and USP definitely have great features. USP shows great performance. (to many to discuss, I am sure HDS sales rep will cover that)
I just want to point out few obvious caveats (sorry HDS):
No equivalent of toasters in HDS world (or any support forum/mailing list, etc.) Cryptic Documentation. To many GUI/CLI to learn (Storage NAV, Device Manager, HSSM, DUMP, DUMP CLI) 95xx can not delete LUNS (only last one you created) USP raid groups and basic config are laid out by HDS USP: can not touch it with HDS FE. USP: you loose 1 additional chip port for each external chip port.
On 3/13/06, Kristian Ejvind (KI/EAB) <kristian.ejvind@ericsson.com mailto:kristian.ejvind@ericsson.com > wrote:
Has anyone had experience with Hitachi's SAN devices? What I have always heard is that their products are good but their support is terrible. Any experiences with these units and/or support? Thx.
In a former life, I used to manage a couple of HDS 95xx series boxes. My experience was that to get started you definitely need to have an experienced person close by to guide you through the terms and language. All written information is in "japaneese in english", so you have to think a little when reading anything. (Label on the box: "Be careful of the drop. It is heavy." Another label that I don't remember exactly, something like "HOT to the hand. Careful!" :)
Management software is terribly slow, it takes ages to do anything. Booting the HDS is oh-so-slow (3-12 minutes). (Btw. at that time we moved from LSI to HDS, and the LSI unit booted in about 10-20 seconds! What a difference.)
HOWEVER: once in place - the HDS rocks! Impressing speed, reliable, just what you want.
For support I guess it depends on your local support channel - we were satisfied with our support, although we never had to consult them for anything more serious than disk replacements.
/Kristian
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