Yes... this sounds nice, but we do not use the filers tape drives (at this time) for backups... we are using NFS based Networker (Sun based Legatto product).

I imagine after we get away from NFS and go to pure CIFS, we'll be moving our backups to full NT based (to keep any/all CIFS ACLs' intact with out files).

Also, I imagine that your implimentation of dump does not allow for single file (or single directory) restorations does it?

I realize that there are a couple products out there to that handle ACLS/UFS permissions backup & restoration via NPDM, but we are already running three backup variants right now and adding yet another is just not feasible.

Thanx anyway...

Thomas Weeks GTE SYSTEMS ENGINEER Testing-Integration Center "The Pit" Brooks AFB, DSN 240-5444

-----Original Message----- From: grant@netapp.com [SMTP:grant@netapp.com] Sent: Friday, June 05, 1998 7:06 PM To: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Re: Quota's, Qtrees, Old_WAFL, NewWAFL, etc...

Hi Thomas,

Since you mention quota trees, I'd like to jump in and discuss the benefits of quota trees within 5.1 (shipping soon) and backup:

My recommendation is that you should arrange your data in quota trees whenever possible when running 5.1 for these reasons:

1. You can have different security models running on a per quota tree basis (ntfs, mixed (multi-protocol) or unix).

2. Pass I & II of dump has been optimized for full quota tree (as well as full volume) backups.

3. dump has a new Q option that allows all non-quota tree data to be backed up. This allows you to frequently backup quota trees, but perhaps backup /etc and other miscellaneous data on an infrequent basis and you don't need to backup the whole volume to do so.

Cheers, Grant