On Wed 7 Apr, 1999, "Mohler, Jeff" jeff.mohler@wilcom.com wrote:
Of course, my management caught wind of this too..and lacking NetApp information, I may not be able to change the tide for our backbone.
indeed. I'd not heard of this product until I saw the bakeoff PR - but clearly their product must be worth at least a look.
From: Jaye Mathisen [SMTP:mrcpu@internetcds.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 2:16 AM To: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Looks like InfoLibria got the last laugh at the cache bakeoff.
of course the company isn't quite so big, can't offer the same range of support (notice they are talking about building their 24/7 support, and I don't doubt that it will take longer for them to appear here in Europe), but they're clearly keen on making a name for themselves.
(I'd want to see more technical information and/or see a unit for myself before deciding it was going to solve all my problems, though.)
James.
On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 05:21:23PM +0100, James R Grinter said:
On Wed 7 Apr, 1999, "Mohler, Jeff" jeff.mohler@wilcom.com wrote:
Of course, my management caught wind of this too..and lacking NetApp information, I may not be able to change the tide for our backbone.
indeed. I'd not heard of this product until I saw the bakeoff PR - but clearly their product must be worth at least a look.
We just plugged in a test box this morning. Our Netcache reboots almost every other day now due to memory leaks in the latest code they have given us. If the InfoLibria does what they say it does then...
Neil
On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Neil Levine wrote:
On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 05:21:23PM +0100, James R Grinter said:
indeed. I'd not heard of this product until I saw the bakeoff PR - but clearly their product must be worth at least a look.
Are you referring to the backoff PR or Infolibria's PR resulting from the backoff?
I've found the PR generated by two of the cache vendors to be highly misleading. Infolibria mentioned a peak of 1680 requests/s to me (I didn't tell them that I'd been at the WCW where the results were released and explained) and failed to point out that the hit rate had dropped to about 14% at that point. Closer inspection of the graphs showed that the hit started dropping off at just 400 requests/s.
If the benchmark showed any product off particularly well, it was the Novell/Dell-L system coping fairly easily with 1500 requests/s. The results also look better now that the overwriting bug has been fixed. The Novell developers, who also presented several strong papers at the caching workshop, also came out of it all very well. The only problem is that I gave up running Netware 5 years ago and didn't really want to go back.
We just plugged in a test box this morning. Our Netcache reboots almost every other day now due to memory leaks in the latest code they have given us. If the InfoLibria does what they say it does then...
Guess I must be lucky. Most common uptime is 3 weeks (when we last installed new software) and the boxes run at 80%+ load for 5-12 hours/day.
Steve Clarke Admitting an interest - NetApp unlike Infolibria did buy me a couple of drinks
On Wed, Apr 07, 1999 at 06:26:34PM +0100, Steven Clarke said:
We just plugged in a test box this morning. Our Netcache reboots almost every other day now due to memory leaks in the latest code they have given us. If the InfoLibria does what they say it does then...
Guess I must be lucky. Most common uptime is 3 weeks (when we last installed new software) and the boxes run at 80%+ load for 5-12 hours/day.
The NetApp guys say they dont understand why we are having so many problems as we are running the same code as you and I doubt its being hammered anywhere near as much. But none the less it still reboots, although when it is up it is very fast (although the CPU does get a little high sometimes).
Steve Clarke Admitting an interest - NetApp unlike Infolibria did buy me a couple of drinks
Well when the infolibria SE was here this morning he took out a cool looking CD holder which after I commented how cool it looked, he promptly handed to me. We also 'won' a Rio MP3 player after their ISPcon draw. Yet to receive a single freebie from NetApp. These guys should never underestimate the powers of bribery in the ISP trade :)
Neil
We just plugged in a test box this morning. Our Netcache reboots almost every other day now due to memory leaks
Guess I must be lucky. Most common uptime is 3 weeks (when we last installed new software) and the boxes run at 80%+ load for 5-12 hours/day.
Just for another data point -- we have two C760 caches, running 3.3.1 and 3.3R2P1 in web accellerator mode. We have to manually reboot each box every couple of days. We sustain 98-100% CPU utilization almost 24/7, run each cache at near 100BT wire-speed for 18-hour-long peaks, but run into situations where caches will suddenly drop to only 20Mb/s out.
In the past we've had problems with max open file descriptors, but this doesn't seem to be the case currently.
We're actively working with NetApp to address these stability issues. Overall I'm pleased with what the C760 is able to deliver, we absolutely hammer them.
- Ed Schwab Senior Systems / Network Administrator Tripod, Inc.
On Wed, 7 Apr 1999, Steven Clarke wrote:
Are you referring to the backoff PR or Infolibria's PR resulting from the backoff?
I've found the PR generated by two of the cache vendors to be highly misleading.
IMO, the best source of information on the bake-off are not PRs, but the official report:
http://bakeoff.ircache.net/ http://bakeoff.ircache.net/bakeoff-01/report.pdf
Alex.
jrg@acm.org (James R Grinter) writes:
On Wed 7 Apr, 1999, "Mohler, Jeff" jeff.mohler@wilcom.com wrote:
Of course, my management caught wind of this too..and lacking NetApp information, I may not be able to change the tide for our backbone.
indeed. I'd not heard of this product until I saw the bakeoff PR - but clearly their product must be worth at least a look.
From: Jaye Mathisen [SMTP:mrcpu@internetcds.com] Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 1999 2:16 AM To: toasters@mathworks.com Subject: Looks like InfoLibria got the last laugh at the cache bakeoff.
of course the company isn't quite so big, can't offer the same range of support (notice they are talking about building their 24/7 support, and I don't doubt that it will take longer for them to appear here in Europe), but they're clearly keen on making a name for themselves.
(I'd want to see more technical information and/or see a unit for myself before deciding it was going to solve all my problems, though.)
Hey James! :)
Right now id buy almost anything over NotUp. We've had more crashes with our new F720 the last 2 weeks than our previous Sun had in 2 years, and thats including fsck.
Cor
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