Hi,
We are currently evaluating a network appliance solution for our site.
We still have deep concerns about our abilities to backup such vast quantities of data from one source and even greater concerns on our ability to restore such vast quantities of data in the event of a disaster within a feasable time frame.
I would like to hear from people about how they backup their systems - i.e.:
What backup software do you use?
What size is your file server and what size are the partitions?
Is the tape directly connected to the file server or do you backup via the network?
If you backup via the network, how is your file server interfaced to the network (dedicated backup network(s)? - 10/100 Mb/s?)
Do you use ndmp?
How many streams of backup do you use in parallel?
What speed/rate do you backup (GB/Hr) per drive?
Do you utilize more than one tape drive for backups?
Have you needed to restore a file system?
If so, how long did it take you (GB/Hr) ?
Were you able to retore in parallel streams?
Since the list of questions came out long, I will be more than happy to call you and poll you verbally on the above (send me your number). I will even be more than happy to post the statistical results of those willing to participate.
+--- In a previous state of mind, Menachem (Manny) Kaiser <mannyk@msil.sps.mo t.com> wrote: | | What backup software do you use?
I'll answer for what we use and what another site uses.
I use Spectralogic Alexandria. A friend of mine uses Veritas (open backup?).
| What size is your file server and what size are the partitions?
I have 2 filers (f540, f630) each with about 120GB of data. My friend has 4 filers, with 100GB+ each. We both use single volumes.
| Is the tape directly connected to the file server | or do you backup via the network?
We both backupover the network. I have a fddi ring for nfs traffic. The backup box is attached to the ring. My friend has a switched 100Mbps etherernet network. The filers and backup server are attached to the switch.
I use a quantum dtl 4700 stacker. My friend uses an Adic dlt jukebox (4 drives, 40 tapes). I have my 4700 attached to a Sparc5, my friend uses an Ultra1 (2 scsi controllers, 1 per every 2 drives).
| If you backup via the network, how is your file server | interfaced to the network (dedicated backup network(s)? - 10/100 Mb/s?)
See above. I am cutting ove to the following:
- ultra1 with AIT tape library atached directly - gigabit ethernet for the filers and backup server - 100Mbps ethernet for all clients - fddi becomes alternate network transport (perhaps for database traffic).
| Do you use ndmp?
No. Although things have gotten better, directly attaching any device with a robotic arm to a filer is not going to end in a pleasant way. If the stacker hangs (as some do), you need to power-cycle the filer and the stacker. This means downtime. I would rather reboot a dedicated unix box that does backups (and will not interfere with anything).
| How many streams of backup do you use in parallel?
I can only do 1 (only 1 drive). My friend does 4... He also does something called vaulting. After a level0 is done, the software then duplicates the tapes and spits them out. Thus he sends the copies off site and can restore more effectively in case of an emergency (no delay in getting tapes back).
| What speed/rate do you backup (GB/Hr) per drive?
Slow. 3-4GB/hr. My goal is to increase than an order of magnitude. I would like to be able to restore 50GB in less than 1 hour. AIT looks like the quickest (and least expensive) way of accomplishing this.
| Do you utilize more than one tape drive for backups?
See above.
| Have you needed to restore a file system?
Never. We do restores to verify backup integrity. snapshots have been great time savers.
| If so, how long did it take you (GB/Hr) ?
I believe the tree we restored was at about 2GB/hr.
| Were you able to retore in parallel streams?
Not applicable.
| I will even be more than happy to post the | statistical results of those willing to participate.
I think everybody on the list would like to see what others are doing for backups.
There is a book coming out (O'Reilly press) on backups (software, hardware, strategies) which looks to be quite good. There are many backup software solutions, most of which are niche players. It will be nice to read more about what the rest of the world uses.
Hope this was useful.
Alexei
I would like to hear from people about how they backup their systems - i.e.:
Interestingly, I was asking people about their setup a few days ago, for NetApp engineering curiosity... Quite a number of people have responded to my poll, (thanks) and most wanted me to post the results..
Of the 14 people who were kind enough to respond (1 from in-house): rsh NetApp dump to local drive (DLT4000 or DLT7000): 3 rsh NetApp dump to remote drive: 3 Legato: 3 NDMP with BudTool: 2 HP Omniback: 1 Spectralogic Alexandria: 1 Unspecified HSM solution: 1
I found this to be very interesting. Keep sending me responses!
Stephen Manley - the Dumpman FS Recovery Engineer
Stephen, We have a F230 and are using NDMP with BudTool
Stephen Manley writes:
I would like to hear from people about how they backup their systems - i.e.:
Interestingly, I was asking people about their setup a few days ago, for NetApp engineering curiosity... Quite a number of people have responded to my poll, (thanks) and most wanted me to post the results..
Of the 14 people who were kind enough to respond (1 from in-house): rsh NetApp dump to local drive (DLT4000 or DLT7000): 3 rsh NetApp dump to remote drive: 3 Legato: 3 NDMP with BudTool: 2 HP Omniback: 1 Spectralogic Alexandria: 1 Unspecified HSM solution: 1
I found this to be very interesting. Keep sending me responses!
Stephen Manley - the Dumpman FS Recovery Engineer
On Wed, 22 Apr 1998, Menachem (Manny) Kaiser wrote:
|Hi, | |We are currently evaluating a network appliance solution |for our site. | |We still have deep concerns about our abilities to backup |such vast quantities of data from one source and even greater |concerns on our ability to restore such vast quantities |of data in the event of a disaster within a feasable time frame. | |I would like to hear from people about how they |backup their systems - i.e.: | |What backup software do you use?
Legato Networker
|What size is your file server and what size are the partitions?
1 F630 ~100gig 1 F630 ~200gig 1 F220 ~50gig
|Is the tape directly connected to the file server |or do you backup via the network?
Network
|If you backup via the network, how is your file server |interfaced to the network (dedicated backup network(s)? - 10/100 Mb/s?)
Backup via switched FD 100baseT. We are moving to a gigabit backend for NFS/backups in the near future.
|Do you use ndmp?
A few times for filer --> filer copies
|How many streams of backup do you use in parallel?
I believe we use 4 streams to 2 drives. A DLT4700 and a DLT4000.
|What speed/rate do you backup (GB/Hr) per drive?
Not entirely sure on this one. I can find out though.
|Do you utilize more than one tape drive for backups?
Yes.
|Have you needed to restore a file system?
Yes.
|If so, how long did it take you (GB/Hr) ?
Too damned long.
|Were you able to retore in parallel streams?
Yes.
We very much look forward to Legato working natively on our netapps. Right now we just NFS mount the partitions to our tapehost and back them up that way. Not ideal.
Jonah
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