hi,
my management is very interested in doing quotas for our nt users. that requires 6.1x. does anyone have any comments on the 6.1x releases? we are nfs,cifs,nis,nt 4,atm,clustered 760's.
thanks. --
On Wed 17 Oct 2001 15:36, you wrote:
my management is very interested in doing quotas for our nt users. that requires 6.1x.
No, it doesn't. Quotas are fully implemented in 5.x
However, a difference you'll see is that NT users see the most restrictive quota as the "disk size" on 6.1.x, whereas the reported disk size on 5.x is the Netapp volume size.
We had wonderful problems with corruption of NT roaming profiles with small quotas under 5.3.6, because NT seems to ignore write errors when saving the profile; it just silently corrupts them. Lovely OS, really.
Colm
from my 6.01 doc:
About quota targets A quota target can be A user A group A qtree When applying user and group quotas, Data ONTAP identifies users and groups by UNIX user names (or UIDs) and group names (or GIDs). It does not apply quotas based on Windows SIDs. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
from the 6.1 doc: A quota target can be A user, as represented by a UNIX ID or a Windows ID.
we want quotas based on windows id at the qtree level. am i misunderstanding the doc?
Colm Buckley wrote:
On Wed 17 Oct 2001 15:36, you wrote:
my management is very interested in doing quotas for our nt users. that requires 6.1x.
No, it doesn't. Quotas are fully implemented in 5.x
However, a difference you'll see is that NT users see the most restrictive quota as the "disk size" on 6.1.x, whereas the reported disk size on 5.x is the Netapp volume size.
We had wonderful problems with corruption of NT roaming profiles with small quotas under 5.3.6, because NT seems to ignore write errors when saving the profile; it just silently corrupts them. Lovely OS, really.
Colm-- Colm Buckley : Systems Architect @ NewWorld Commerce Business: +353 1 4334334 / colm@nwcgroup.com / http://www.nwcgroup.com/ Personal: +353 87 2469146 / colm@tuatha.org / http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ What am I? Flypaper for freaks?
ONTAP 5.x did support quotas for windows users, but by requiring you to run a process on your windows machine to find all of your users and create unix ids for them on the filer. Thus, user foobar on domain baz would be given an entry like
1022:baz__foobar:::::
where 1022 is a unix id and the unix name is a concatenation of the domain and user name.
They did away with this in ONTAP 6.something and supported SID based quotas natively via the SecureShare Quota Manager 2.0. I believe that this can be purchased through your sales representative. Windows group quotas are not supported.
See the following link on NOW for product information. http://mktg-web.netapp.com/products/software/systemmanagement/secureshare/ss tools/ssq1_0.html
Jan S. Yoder Pervasent, Inc.
-----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters@mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]On Behalf Of neil lehrer Sent: Wednesday, October 17, 2001 11:05 AM To: Colm Buckley Cc: toasters Subject: Re: ontap 6.1x
from my 6.01 doc:
About quota targets A quota target can be A user A group A qtree When applying user and group quotas, Data ONTAP identifies users and groups by UNIX user names (or UIDs) and group names (or GIDs). It does not apply quotas based on Windows SIDs. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
from the 6.1 doc: A quota target can be A user, as represented by a UNIX ID or a Windows ID.
we want quotas based on windows id at the qtree level. am i misunderstanding the doc?
Colm Buckley wrote:
On Wed 17 Oct 2001 15:36, you wrote:
my management is very interested in doing quotas for our nt users. that requires 6.1x.
No, it doesn't. Quotas are fully implemented in 5.x
However, a difference you'll see is that NT users see the most restrictive quota as the "disk size" on 6.1.x, whereas the reported disk size on 5.x is the Netapp volume size.
We had wonderful problems with corruption of NT roaming profiles with small quotas under 5.3.6, because NT seems to ignore write errors when saving the profile; it just silently corrupts them. Lovely OS, really.
Colm-- Colm Buckley : Systems Architect @ NewWorld Commerce Business: +353 1 4334334 / colm@nwcgroup.com / http://www.nwcgroup.com/ Personal: +353 87 2469146 / colm@tuatha.org / http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ What am I? Flypaper for freaks?
--
regards
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Neil Lehrer + + United States International Broadcasting Bureau + System Development Division + + voice 202 619-2524 + fax 202 619-3576 + nlehrer@ibb.gov + + " is this crisis an opportunity or just + another grab the fire extinguisher moment?" + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
It sounds like you want to do something like this in /etc/quotas:
/vol/volname/qtree tree 50G - * user@/vol/volname - - domain\user user@/vol/volname/qtree 1G -
This puts a 50G quota on the entire qtree and limits domain\user to 1G in the qtree. The * entry is there so that the volume wide user quota does not interfere with the qtree user quota.
A file inside a qtree is governed by up to 5 (yes 5) quotas and NONE of them can be exceeded.
1) user quota inside qtree user@/vol/volname/qtree 2) group quota inside qtree group@/vol/volname/qtree 3) user quota inside whole volume user@/vol/volname 4) group quota inside whole volume group@/vol/volname 5) tree quota for qtree tree
Disk space used inside a qtree also counts as disk space used in the entire volume.
Don't worry about group quotas. If you don't specify any "group@" lines in /etc/quotas, you don't have any group quotas. Group quotas only make sense in a Unix context, since Windows does not assign a group to a file. Windows uses ACLs instead.
from my 6.01 doc:
About quota targets A quota target can be A user A group A qtree When applying user and group quotas, Data ONTAP identifies users and groups by UNIX user names (or UIDs) and group names (or GIDs). It does not apply quotas based on Windows SIDs. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
from the 6.1 doc: A quota target can be A user, as represented by a UNIX ID or a Windows ID.
we want quotas based on windows id at the qtree level. am i misunderstanding the doc?
Steve Losen scl@virginia.edu phone: 434-924-0640
University of Virginia ITC Unix Support
IN 6.1 , we have added support for user quotas based on Windows IDs, so your interpretation is correct.
Joan Alter
At 11:05 AM 10/17/01 , neil lehrer wrote:
from my 6.01 doc:
About quota targets A quota target can be A user A group A qtree When applying user and group quotas, Data ONTAP identifies users and groups by UNIX user names (or UIDs) and group names (or GIDs). It does not apply quotas based on Windows SIDs. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
from the 6.1 doc: A quota target can be A user, as represented by a UNIX ID or a Windows ID.
we want quotas based on windows id at the qtree level. am i misunderstanding the doc?
Colm Buckley wrote:
On Wed 17 Oct 2001 15:36, you wrote:
my management is very interested in doing quotas for our nt users. that requires 6.1x.
No, it doesn't. Quotas are fully implemented in 5.x
However, a difference you'll see is that NT users see the most restrictive quota as the "disk size" on 6.1.x, whereas the reported disk size on 5.x is the Netapp volume size.
We had wonderful problems with corruption of NT roaming profiles with small quotas under 5.3.6, because NT seems to ignore write errors when saving the profile; it just silently corrupts them. Lovely OS, really.
Colm-- Colm Buckley : Systems Architect @ NewWorld Commerce Business: +353 1 4334334 / colm@nwcgroup.com / http://www.nwcgroup.com/ Personal: +353 87 2469146 / colm@tuatha.org / http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ What am I? Flypaper for freaks?
--
regards
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
- Neil Lehrer
- United States International Broadcasting Bureau
- System Development Division
- voice 202 619-2524
- fax 202 619-3576
- nlehrer@ibb.gov
- " is this crisis an opportunity or just
- another grab the fire extinguisher moment?"
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
On Wed 17 Oct 2001 20:21, Joan Alter wrote:
IN 6.1 , we have added support for user quotas based on Windows IDs, so your interpretation is correct.
On Wed 17 Oct 2001 20:05, Neil Lehrer wrote:
When applying user and group quotas, Data ONTAP identifies users and groups by UNIX user names (or UIDs) and group names (or GIDs). It does not apply quotas based on Windows SIDs. <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
My apologies; I didn't determine from your original message that basing quotas on SIDs was a requirement; we ran quotas on 5.x with an automatically-generated passwd file, as suggested in this thread.
Colm
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