Toasters,
Inherited a few production 7-mode systems that are off maintenance, due to be retired and pretty low on spare disks. Migrations to new ONTAP 9 systems (A300's, yay!) are in progress but I'd like to purchase several spare disks for the 7-mode systems as a safety measure. Unfortunately, these disks are so old that NetApp no longer sells them.
Is it generally safe to purchase refurbished (or new) NetApp disks from a 3rd party? Can anybody recommend a vendor?
I already grabbed quotes from our NetApp account team for lager capacity disks that I'm told won't be a problem for existing RAID groups made up of smaller disks. Primary concern is keeping the data safe/available so, if purchasing 3rd party is a bad idea, we'll definitely to through NetApp.
3rd party options always come up in discussions and we've never gotten outside feedback so just curious if anybody has had good or bad experiences going 3rd party.
Thank you. Phil
Hi Philbert,
not sure where you're located but since you didn't mention it, I guess you're based in the US. I do not have any recommendations for third-party suppliers in the US, but I've used some within Europe already for outdated filers of our customers already and never had real issues with those refurbished or used hard drives.
JFTR, here are some suggestions for suppliers based in Germany: https://www.servershop24.de/ https://www.miller-anlagen.de/shop https://www.fibrestore.de/
You might experience bad labels on the disks as well as firmware issues which might need to be sorted out then; sometimes the disks are not zeroed so when plugging them in, you will see some left over aggregates from the previous filer they did belong to or the owner ids are still set; you can work around every single issue that might come up here, as long as your Ontap version is not too old on the outdated filers.
Best,
Alexander Griesser Head of Systems Operations
ANEXIA Internetdienstleistungs GmbH
E-Mail: AGriesser@anexia-it.com Web: http://www.anexia-it.com
Anschrift Hauptsitz Klagenfurt: Feldkirchnerstraße 140, 9020 Klagenfurt Geschäftsführer: Alexander Windbichler Firmenbuch: FN 289918a | Gerichtsstand: Klagenfurt | UID-Nummer: AT U63216601
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] Im Auftrag von Philbert Rupkins Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018 05:58 An: Toasters toasters@teaparty.net Betreff: Spare Disks
Toasters,
Inherited a few production 7-mode systems that are off maintenance, due to be retired and pretty low on spare disks. Migrations to new ONTAP 9 systems (A300's, yay!) are in progress but I'd like to purchase several spare disks for the 7-mode systems as a safety measure. Unfortunately, these disks are so old that NetApp no longer sells them.
Is it generally safe to purchase refurbished (or new) NetApp disks from a 3rd party? Can anybody recommend a vendor?
I already grabbed quotes from our NetApp account team for lager capacity disks that I'm told won't be a problem for existing RAID groups made up of smaller disks. Primary concern is keeping the data safe/available so, if purchasing 3rd party is a bad idea, we'll definitely to through NetApp.
3rd party options always come up in discussions and we've never gotten outside feedback so just curious if anybody has had good or bad experiences going 3rd party.
Thank you. Phil _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Highly recommend Nick over at ECS
https://www.expresscomputersystems.com/used-netapp-price-list.html
As Alexander mentioned, you may find that used disks are tagged with old ownership/aggregates/raid labels, so it's best to stick them in a dev system first to confirm they are indeed blank, and if not, zap them in maintenance mode.
On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 9:07 PM, Alexander Griesser <AGriesser@anexia-it.com
wrote:
Hi Philbert,
not sure where you're located but since you didn't mention it, I guess you're based in the US. I do not have any recommendations for third-party suppliers in the US, but I've used some within Europe already for outdated filers of our customers already and never had real issues with those refurbished or used hard drives.
JFTR, here are some suggestions for suppliers based in Germany: https://www.servershop24.de/ https://www.miller-anlagen.de/shop https://www.fibrestore.de/
You might experience bad labels on the disks as well as firmware issues which might need to be sorted out then; sometimes the disks are not zeroed so when plugging them in, you will see some left over aggregates from the previous filer they did belong to or the owner ids are still set; you can work around every single issue that might come up here, as long as your Ontap version is not too old on the outdated filers.
Best,
Alexander Griesser Head of Systems Operations
ANEXIA Internetdienstleistungs GmbH
E-Mail: AGriesser@anexia-it.com Web: http://www.anexia-it.com
Anschrift Hauptsitz Klagenfurt: Feldkirchnerstraße 140, 9020 Klagenfurt Geschäftsführer: Alexander Windbichler Firmenbuch: FN 289918a | Gerichtsstand: Klagenfurt | UID-Nummer: AT U63216601
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] Im Auftrag von Philbert Rupkins Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018 05:58 An: Toasters toasters@teaparty.net Betreff: Spare Disks
Toasters,
Inherited a few production 7-mode systems that are off maintenance, due to be retired and pretty low on spare disks. Migrations to new ONTAP 9 systems (A300's, yay!) are in progress but I'd like to purchase several spare disks for the 7-mode systems as a safety measure. Unfortunately, these disks are so old that NetApp no longer sells them.
Is it generally safe to purchase refurbished (or new) NetApp disks from a 3rd party? Can anybody recommend a vendor?
I already grabbed quotes from our NetApp account team for lager capacity disks that I'm told won't be a problem for existing RAID groups made up of smaller disks. Primary concern is keeping the data safe/available so, if purchasing 3rd party is a bad idea, we'll definitely to through NetApp.
3rd party options always come up in discussions and we've never gotten outside feedback so just curious if anybody has had good or bad experiences going 3rd party.
Thank you. Phil _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Hi Phil, hi Alex,
Our Admin bought some pallets of old DS14 shelfs some time ago off of eBay for our labs. Like 80%+ of the disks we were able to use, but for some we had to go to maintenance mode and delete labels and stuff to do that... It was about 100€ for a shelf, if I remember correctly, so we didn't mind the 20% that were dead/unusable...
A zeroed, unassigned disk should automatically be reformatted with the correct WAFL version, by the way. Up or down. So no worries there with disks from newer ONTAP versions...
Sebastian NCI
On Tue, May 22, 2018, 06:10 Alexander Griesser AGriesser@anexia-it.com wrote:
Hi Philbert,
not sure where you're located but since you didn't mention it, I guess you're based in the US. I do not have any recommendations for third-party suppliers in the US, but I've used some within Europe already for outdated filers of our customers already and never had real issues with those refurbished or used hard drives.
JFTR, here are some suggestions for suppliers based in Germany: https://www.servershop24.de/ https://www.miller-anlagen.de/shop https://www.fibrestore.de/
You might experience bad labels on the disks as well as firmware issues which might need to be sorted out then; sometimes the disks are not zeroed so when plugging them in, you will see some left over aggregates from the previous filer they did belong to or the owner ids are still set; you can work around every single issue that might come up here, as long as your Ontap version is not too old on the outdated filers.
Best,
Alexander Griesser Head of Systems Operations
ANEXIA Internetdienstleistungs GmbH
E-Mail: AGriesser@anexia-it.com Web: http://www.anexia-it.com
Anschrift Hauptsitz Klagenfurt: Feldkirchnerstraße 140, 9020 Klagenfurt https://maps.google.com/?q=Klagenfurt:+Feldkirchnerstra%C3%9Fe+140,+9020+Klagenfurt&entry=gmail&source=g Geschäftsführer: Alexander Windbichler Firmenbuch: FN 289918a | Gerichtsstand: Klagenfurt | UID-Nummer: AT U63216601
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] Im Auftrag von Philbert Rupkins Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Mai 2018 05:58 An: Toasters toasters@teaparty.net Betreff: Spare Disks
Toasters,
Inherited a few production 7-mode systems that are off maintenance, due to be retired and pretty low on spare disks. Migrations to new ONTAP 9 systems (A300's, yay!) are in progress but I'd like to purchase several spare disks for the 7-mode systems as a safety measure. Unfortunately, these disks are so old that NetApp no longer sells them.
Is it generally safe to purchase refurbished (or new) NetApp disks from a 3rd party? Can anybody recommend a vendor?
I already grabbed quotes from our NetApp account team for lager capacity disks that I'm told won't be a problem for existing RAID groups made up of smaller disks. Primary concern is keeping the data safe/available so, if purchasing 3rd party is a bad idea, we'll definitely to through NetApp.
3rd party options always come up in discussions and we've never gotten outside feedback so just curious if anybody has had good or bad experiences going 3rd party.
Thank you. Phil _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:57:42PM -0500, Philbert Rupkins wrote:
Toasters,
Inherited a few production 7-mode systems that are off maintenance, due to be retired and pretty low on spare disks. Migrations to new ONTAP 9 systems (A300's, yay!) are in progress but I'd like to purchase several spare disks for the 7-mode systems as a safety measure. Unfortunately, these disks are so old that NetApp no longer sells them.
Is it generally safe to purchase refurbished (or new) NetApp disks from a 3rd party? Can anybody recommend a vendor?
I already grabbed quotes from our NetApp account team for lager capacity disks that I'm told won't be a problem for existing RAID groups made up of smaller disks. Primary concern is keeping the data safe/available so, if purchasing 3rd party is a bad idea, we'll definitely to through NetApp.
3rd party options always come up in discussions and we've never gotten outside feedback so just curious if anybody has had good or bad experiences going 3rd party.
Thank you. Phil
We use Curvature (formerly SMS). They support the equipment, including all parts and will also let you keep a cache of relevant drives on-site.
They'll also sell you refurb'd gear.
Ray
"Ray" == Ray Van Dolson rvandolson@esri.com writes:
Ray> On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 10:57:42PM -0500, Philbert Rupkins wrote:
Toasters,
Inherited a few production 7-mode systems that are off maintenance, due to be retired and pretty low on spare disks. Migrations to new ONTAP 9 systems (A300's, yay!) are in progress but I'd like to purchase several spare disks for the 7-mode systems as a safety measure. Unfortunately, these disks are so old that NetApp no longer sells them.
Is it generally safe to purchase refurbished (or new) NetApp disks from a 3rd party? Can anybody recommend a vendor?
I already grabbed quotes from our NetApp account team for lager capacity disks that I'm told won't be a problem for existing RAID groups made up of smaller disks. Primary concern is keeping the data safe/available so, if purchasing 3rd party is a bad idea, we'll definitely to through NetApp.
3rd party options always come up in discussions and we've never gotten outside feedback so just curious if anybody has had good or bad experiences going 3rd party.
Thank you. Phil
Ray> We use Curvature (formerly SMS). They support the equipment, including Ray> all parts and will also let you keep a cache of relevant drives Ray> on-site.
Another vote for Curvature as well. We've used them (as SMS) for years.
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