How can I remove a cluster from a deleted installation of Performance Manager so that I can add it to a new instance of Performance Manager? When I attempt to add the cluster to the new Performance Manager, it tells me that it has to be removed from the deleted installation first.
Thanks,
--Carl
Hello Carl,
This blocker had been put in place to discourage accidently monitoring cluster by multiple copies of performance manager. What performance manager does is insert a record on the cluster that it is managing, effectively claiming it. In your case, that record must be deleted manually on the cluster to allow a new performance manager instance to manage it.
Support can walk you through the fix which requires DIAG level. You can find more in KB article 1015028 :
https://kb.netapp.com/support/index?page=content&id=1015028&locale=e...
Best regards,
Joseph "Yossi" Weihs Sr. Manager, Product Management Manageability Products Group
NetApp Direct Line : 781.325.8032 “Simplicity is complexity resolved” - Constantin Brâncușihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Br%C3%A2ncu%C8%99i
From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Carl Howell Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:35 AM To: toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Deleted Performance Manager
How can I remove a cluster from a deleted installation of Performance Manager so that I can add it to a new instance of Performance Manager? When I attempt to add the cluster to the new Performance Manager, it tells me that it has to be removed from the deleted installation first.
Thanks,
--Carl
Yossi -
I'd recently had to do this with an OCPM install in my lab environment due to a reinstall of the appliance and used that same KB for the fix. The KB is vague about what exactly the performance impact of running multiple copies of the Performance Manager would be though & I am a little curious as to what it might be. Is there any chance you could shed some light on this?
I don't anticipate a situation where a customer/customers might want to do this except perhaps in a very corner case multi-tenant install, but still it would be good to have an answer on hand in case it ever comes up.
Thanks!
Anthony Bar 650.207.5368tel:650.207.5368 tbar@berkcom.commailto:tbar@berkcom.com Berkeley Communications www.berkcom.comhttp://www.berkcom.com/
On Jul 26, 2015, at 8:33 PM, Weihs, Yossi <Joseph.Weihs@netapp.commailto:Joseph.Weihs@netapp.com> wrote:
Hello Carl,
This blocker had been put in place to discourage accidently monitoring cluster by multiple copies of performance manager. What performance manager does is insert a record on the cluster that it is managing, effectively claiming it. In your case, that record must be deleted manually on the cluster to allow a new performance manager instance to manage it.
Support can walk you through the fix which requires DIAG level. You can find more in KB article 1015028 :
https://kb.netapp.com/support/index?page=content&id=1015028&locale=e...
Best regards,
Joseph "Yossi" Weihs Sr. Manager, Product Management Manageability Products Group
NetApp Direct Line : 781.325.8032 “Simplicity is complexity resolved” - Constantin Brâncușihttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Constantin_Br%C3%A2ncu%C8%99i
From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.netmailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net [mailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net] On Behalf Of Carl Howell Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2015 10:35 AM To: toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Deleted Performance Manager
How can I remove a cluster from a deleted installation of Performance Manager so that I can add it to a new instance of Performance Manager? When I attempt to add the cluster to the new Performance Manager, it tells me that it has to be removed from the deleted installation first.
Thanks,
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So has anyone actually found a good use for performance manager? I'm running the latest version against a fairly busy but unbalanced two node cluster and I keep getting frustrated that I can't drill down or move up to get a better overview of things.
I *know* I've got some performance and space issues, but I'd like to be able to see the overall system state and then drill down into things so I understand them better before I make changes or try to fix stuff.
Maybe I'm just not using it right, wouldn't be the first time...
John
No, it's barely functional. It's got a lot of promise, but lacks some very basic features I'd have expected in 1.0. Storage performance management is the achilles heel of most storage vendors, and this is no exception. I hope Netapp will put together some sort of focus group to guide the next few iterations. It really does have promise- of all the useless performance applications I've used, this one does the coolest useless tricks... like their algorithm for determining bully volumes and telling you which layer the problem is at.
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:14 AM, John Stoffel john@stoffel.org wrote:
So has anyone actually found a good use for performance manager? I'm running the latest version against a fairly busy but unbalanced two node cluster and I keep getting frustrated that I can't drill down or move up to get a better overview of things.
I *know* I've got some performance and space issues, but I'd like to be able to see the overall system state and then drill down into things so I understand them better before I make changes or try to fix stuff.
Maybe I'm just not using it right, wouldn't be the first time...
John _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
If you missed it, there was a release on Friday of 2.0RC1. I upgraded the 1.1 vsphere version I was using, and I'm very impressed with the new version. Instead of having to search for only a few object types, the new version has drill down from the cluster level and data on lifs, ports, nodes, etc. The upgrade was basically painless, also.
-- Matt Kleifgen
From: <toasters-bounces@teaparty.netmailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net> on behalf of Basil <basilberntsen@gmail.commailto:basilberntsen@gmail.com> Date: Monday, July 27, 2015 at 7:35 AM To: John Stoffel <john@stoffel.orgmailto:john@stoffel.org> Cc: "toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net" <toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net> Subject: Re: Deleted Performance Manager
No, it's barely functional. It's got a lot of promise, but lacks some very basic features I'd have expected in 1.0. Storage performance management is the achilles heel of most storage vendors, and this is no exception. I hope Netapp will put together some sort of focus group to guide the next few iterations. It really does have promise- of all the useless performance applications I've used, this one does the coolest useless tricks... like their algorithm for determining bully volumes and telling you which layer the problem is at.
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:14 AM, John Stoffel <john@stoffel.orgmailto:john@stoffel.org> wrote:
So has anyone actually found a good use for performance manager? I'm running the latest version against a fairly busy but unbalanced two node cluster and I keep getting frustrated that I can't drill down or move up to get a better overview of things.
I *know* I've got some performance and space issues, but I'd like to be able to see the overall system state and then drill down into things so I understand them better before I make changes or try to fix stuff.
Maybe I'm just not using it right, wouldn't be the first time...
John _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.netmailto:Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
If you're still on OPM 1.0, upgrading to 1.1 and then to 2.0 RC is a little easier than going to 2.0 directly.
From: <toasters-bounces@teaparty.netmailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net> on behalf of Matthew Kleifgen <matthew.kleifgen@rackspace.commailto:matthew.kleifgen@rackspace.com> Date: Monday, July 27, 2015 at 8:54 AM To: Basil <basilberntsen@gmail.commailto:basilberntsen@gmail.com>, John Stoffel <john@stoffel.orgmailto:john@stoffel.org> Cc: "toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net" <toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net> Subject: Re: Deleted Performance Manager
If you missed it, there was a release on Friday of 2.0RC1. I upgraded the 1.1 vsphere version I was using, and I'm very impressed with the new version. Instead of having to search for only a few object types, the new version has drill down from the cluster level and data on lifs, ports, nodes, etc. The upgrade was basically painless, also.
-- Matt Kleifgen
From: <toasters-bounces@teaparty.netmailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net> on behalf of Basil <basilberntsen@gmail.commailto:basilberntsen@gmail.com> Date: Monday, July 27, 2015 at 7:35 AM To: John Stoffel <john@stoffel.orgmailto:john@stoffel.org> Cc: "toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net" <toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net> Subject: Re: Deleted Performance Manager
No, it's barely functional. It's got a lot of promise, but lacks some very basic features I'd have expected in 1.0. Storage performance management is the achilles heel of most storage vendors, and this is no exception. I hope Netapp will put together some sort of focus group to guide the next few iterations. It really does have promise- of all the useless performance applications I've used, this one does the coolest useless tricks... like their algorithm for determining bully volumes and telling you which layer the problem is at.
On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:14 AM, John Stoffel <john@stoffel.orgmailto:john@stoffel.org> wrote:
So has anyone actually found a good use for performance manager? I'm running the latest version against a fairly busy but unbalanced two node cluster and I keep getting frustrated that I can't drill down or move up to get a better overview of things.
I *know* I've got some performance and space issues, but I'd like to be able to see the overall system state and then drill down into things so I understand them better before I make changes or try to fix stuff.
Maybe I'm just not using it right, wouldn't be the first time...
John _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.netmailto:Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
I've done the upgrade to v2.0RC1 and it's *much* more useful. The upgrade was easy, esp since I only had a week or so's worth of data to convert and upgrade. Still not ideal... I semi wish there was more of a 'top' command.
I have used 'qos statistics workload performance show' but it has a bug where you can't see the volume names because they're truncated, which makes it difficult to use. And it doesn't pay attention to the width of the terminal...
And you can refresh the display nicely too. But I can't figure out how to widen some of the columns without doing something like:
set -showseperator " : "
but that still doesn't work properly, the various fields are truncated in 8.2.3P2, though it's also useful to look at
statistics show-periodic
but it's still not quite there in my mind.
Christopher> If you're still on OPM 1.0, upgrading to 1.1 and then to Christopher> 2.0 RC is a little easier than going to 2.0 directly.
Christopher> From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net on behalf of Matthew Kleifgen < Christopher> matthew.kleifgen@rackspace.com> Christopher> Date: Monday, July 27, 2015 at 8:54 AM Christopher> To: Basil basilberntsen@gmail.com, John Stoffel john@stoffel.org Christopher> Cc: "toasters@teaparty.net" toasters@teaparty.net Christopher> Subject: Re: Deleted Performance Manager
Christopher> If you missed it, there was a release on Friday of 2.0RC1. I upgraded the 1.1 vsphere version Christopher> I was using, and I’m very impressed with the new version. Instead of having to search for Christopher> only a few object types, the new version has drill down from the cluster level and data on Christopher> lifs, ports, nodes, etc. The upgrade was basically painless, also.
Christopher> -- Christopher> Matt Kleifgen
Christopher> From: toasters-bounces@teaparty.net on behalf of Basil basilberntsen@gmail.com Christopher> Date: Monday, July 27, 2015 at 7:35 AM Christopher> To: John Stoffel john@stoffel.org Christopher> Cc: "toasters@teaparty.net" toasters@teaparty.net Christopher> Subject: Re: Deleted Performance Manager
Christopher> No, it's barely functional. It's got a lot of promise, but lacks some very basic features I'd Christopher> have expected in 1.0. Storage performance management is the achilles heel of most storage Christopher> vendors, and this is no exception. I hope Netapp will put together some sort of focus group to Christopher> guide the next few iterations. It really does have promise- of all the useless performance Christopher> applications I've used, this one does the coolest useless tricks... like their algorithm for Christopher> determining bully volumes and telling you which layer the problem is at.
Christopher> On Mon, Jul 27, 2015 at 8:14 AM, John Stoffel john@stoffel.org wrote:
Christopher> So has anyone actually found a good use for performance manager? I'm Christopher> running the latest version against a fairly busy but unbalanced two Christopher> node cluster and I keep getting frustrated that I can't drill down or Christopher> move up to get a better overview of things.
Christopher> I *know* I've got some performance and space issues, but I'd like to Christopher> be able to see the overall system state and then drill down into Christopher> things so I understand them better before I make changes or try to fix Christopher> stuff.
Christopher> Maybe I'm just not using it right, wouldn't be the first time...
Christopher> John Christopher> _______________________________________________ Christopher> Toasters mailing list Christopher> Toasters@teaparty.net Christopher> http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
Matthew> If you missed it, there was a release on Friday of 2.0RC1. I Matthew> upgraded the 1.1 vsphere version I was using, and I’m very Matthew> impressed with the new version. Instead of having to search Matthew> for only a few object types, the new version has drill down Matthew> from the cluster level and data on lifs, ports, nodes, etc. Matthew> The upgrade was basically painless, also.
Totally missed it... now I'll be doing an upgrade on this as well to see how it is improved. It can't get much worse in my book...
John
John,
Sounds like you are still running 1.1 or 1.0. Upgrade to 2.0RC1, currently posted on the NetApp support site and you will find the drill up/drill down you are looking for.
-Phil
Philip Bachman Consulting Systems Engineer Storage Management Solutions
NetApp (908) 420-7800 philip.bachman@netapp.com
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On Jul 27, 2015, at 8:15 AM, John Stoffel john@stoffel.org wrote:
So has anyone actually found a good use for performance manager? I'm running the latest version against a fairly busy but unbalanced two node cluster and I keep getting frustrated that I can't drill down or move up to get a better overview of things.
I *know* I've got some performance and space issues, but I'd like to be able to see the overall system state and then drill down into things so I understand them better before I make changes or try to fix stuff.
Maybe I'm just not using it right, wouldn't be the first time...
John _______________________________________________ Toasters mailing list Toasters@teaparty.net http://www.teaparty.net/mailman/listinfo/toasters
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