RE: Mac G4 with NetApp - toasters

11 Oct 2000

      Actually, I've worked with TotalNet before in the past as well, though we
didn't use the Appletalk features.  It's been a while, but I'm almost
positive that Totalnet could be pointed at NT domain controllers for
authentication.  The question would be whether the appletalk module would
utilize that as well.
We were pretty happy with Totalnet as I recall.  The only issue we had was
that it sprinkled little .tn<something> hidden files everywhere that we had
to remember to remove before burning our final software releases to CD.
Speaking of CAP, I did a little checking up on it, and it does appear to be
falling by the wayside.  Even one of the major contributors says he uses
Netatalk instead now.
-- 
Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Services, BOFH,
GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD

 -----Original Message-----
From: 	Knight, Graham [mailto:Graham.Knight@netapp.com] 
Sent:	Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:43 PM
To:	toasters@mathworks.com
Subject:	RE: Mac G4 with NetApp

When I was with Lockheed we were faced with a similar dilemma. We tested a
number of Unix based solutions. The best we found was the "totalnet advanced
server"  by Syntax software ( www.syntax.com http://www.syntax.com  ). It
can
take an NFS mount served by a Netapp and export it to a Mac. CAP has fallen
badly behind and I honestly don't think it will ever catch up with the level
of
support that it gets. There are serious file locking and file rename
problems
with CAP and Microsoft applications. We never had the same type of problems
with
Syntax.

To solve the specific problem as I understood it  (need to use NT
authentication
for the NFS mounted Appletalk share (Phew!)), I think you would have to
bundle
something like Syntax software with some sort of LDAP solution pointing to
the
PDC for user authentication. Not an easy problem to solve. It could be that
Syntax has a solution nowadays. It's been a couple years since I looked into
this.

I don't have anything to do with Syntax (Neither does Netapp to my
knowledge) I
just used it, and it worked well for Macintosh services.  It might be a good
place to start the search for the solution to the problem.

Graham

    	-----Original Message-----
    	From:	Mike Sphar [mailto:mikey@remedy.com]
    	Sent:	Tuesday, October 10, 2000 2:58 PM
    	To:	toasters@mathworks.com
    	Subject:	RE: Mac G4 with NetApp

    	Ah, my mistake.  Thanks for the correction.  I only played
with
the Services
    	for Macintosh a little bit, and I foolishly assumed you
could
re-share a
    	mounted network share.

    	Also, now that I think about it, we used to use CAP a few
years
ago when we
    	needed such things and I remember it being pretty reliable
and
easy to
    	maintain.  Netatalk is also supposed to be good, but I've
never
used it.

    	Generally, my preference is to install new services on a
server
when I can
    	rather than be forced to deploy and support new client
software.
Letting
    	the client OS access data using its native capabilities
usually
results in
    	less maintenance and support headaches.  (Ugh, now I'm
having
flashbacks of
    	supporting ChameleonNFS on hundreds of machines.)

    	-- 
    	Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support
Services, BOFH,
    	GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD

    	 -----Original Message-----
    	From: 	Benn, Paul [mailto:paul.benn@netapp.com] 
    	Sent:	Tuesday, October 10, 2000 1:50 PM
    	To:	'Mike Sphar'; toasters@mathworks.com
    	Subject:	RE: Mac G4 with NetApp

    	Just to clarify....

    	Exporting a CIFS share (whether from a filer or another NT
server) to AFP
    	won't
    	work with the Microsoft service for Macintosh (at least it
didn't with NT4
    	and
    	AutoExNT was no help either). I tried an early W2K beta but
it
was no help
    	either. The Microsoft service only supports local disk.
Sorry
:(

    	As for a gateway type product, I've only heard of NFS/AFP
solutions.

    	Paul Benn
    	Network Appliance

    	-----Original Message-----
    	From: Mike Sphar [mailto:mikey@remedy.com]
    	Sent: Monday, October 09, 2000 1:24 PM
    	To: toasters@mathworks.com
    	Subject: RE: Mac G4 with Netapp

    	As others have mentions, you could either make sure you have
a
good NFS or
    	CIFS client for the Mac installed.

    	Or, depending on how much traffic you expect from the Mac
and
how many macs
    	you have, it might be easier to re-share the Netapp through
a
Windows or
    	UNIX box.  Netatalk I believe is the name of a free
appletalk
file server
    	for UNIX.  And Windows NT/2000 Server also comes with a free
Services for
    	Macintosh package as well, I believe.

    	-- 
    	Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support
Services, BOFH,
    	GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD

    	 -----Original Message-----
    	From: 	Mathew Anderson [mailto:mathew@nm.net] 
    	Sent:	Monday, October 09, 2000 9:59 AM
    	To:	toasters@mathworks.com
    	Subject:	Mac G4 with Netapp

    	Has anyone tried to get a G4 to mount a netapp share?  We
have
the netapp
    	setup with both nfs and cifs, and we are using a PDC. 

    	Any pointers on where to start?  (apples KB does not help at
all)..

    	Thanks
    	-Mathew

    	Mathew Anderson
    	Systems Administration
    	NM Technet     Oso Grande Technologies, Inc.
    	mathew@nm.net  mathew@osogrande.net