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Toaster newbie questions
by lgkloft＠usgs.gov 21 Dec '00

21 Dec '00

I am setting up my first toaster - an F720 with one shelf (seven 36GB drives). I'm seeking some "real-life" experiences and recommendations based on what I am trying to do. I work in a small office with approximately 50 employees and utilize UNIX and NT operating systems. I currently have several $HOME, $PROJECT, and GIS-related filesystems residing on my UNIX system. I plan to move these filesystems to the filer, but will be unable to create a separate volume for each filesystem. I considered creating two raid-groups, one for $HOME and one for $PROJECT, but I think there will be a performance hit (only 1-2 data disks per volume) and it will cost me two drives for parity, not to mention the spare disk drive. I am now looking at employing one large volume (the root volume) and establishing Qtrees to establish and manage HOME, PROJECT, and GIS areas within this volume, which would require NFS and CIFS access. I am also considering the idea of creating an additional Qtree to maintain user's roaming profiles for the NT environment - which would require CIFs access only. I don't like the idea of doing this all in one volume (especially /vol/vol0), but it looks as if this is the route I will be taking unless someone has a better recommendation. Finally, how difficult, or is it even possible, to remove a Qtree? I didn't find anything in the SA Guide to do this. Thanks, Loren

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Filers and Extreme switches
by Peter Ellett 21 Dec '00

21 Dec '00

Hi all Has anyone experienced poor performance with Filers and Extreme Alpine or Black Diamond switches? If yes, any fixes or workarounds known? Pete Ellett __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Shopping - Thousands of Stores. Millions of Products. http://shopping.yahoo.com/

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inodes vs. snapshots
by DANIEL CHANEY 21 Dec '00

21 Dec '00

Hi, long time reader, first time poster, love your list, etc etc etc. Do max inode counts follow snapshots? That is, if I do a snapshot on Monday, increase the inode counts on Tuesday, wipe my files on Wednesday and bring things back from the snapshot on Thursday, do I still need to increase the inode count as I did on Tuesday? -dan

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RE: Problem on 840 Cluster..
by Fox, Adam 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

You'll need to floppy boot to the 1-5 menu (either using actual floppies or the PROM trick). Enter 5 to go into Maint. mode. Then from maint. mode you can rc_toggle_basic and use the vol rewrite_fsid command. toaster*> vol rewrite_fsid <vol_name> You only need to do this on 1 of the filers, but the cluster will have to be disabled while you do it. You can re-enable cf once both filers are up in normal mode. As stated before, feel free to call NetApp Support and have them walk you through the process. Hope this helps. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Bravo13S(a)netscape.net [mailto:Bravo13S@netscape.net] > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 10:25 PM > To: PrJain(a)shastanets.com > Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Problem on 840 Cluster.. > > > According to the /etc/messages.. your root volume has the same > FSID as another volume. This is why it could not do a takeover. > > > There is an rc_toggle_basic command that will give you a new > FSID.. BUT it is the a good ideal to open a case with Network > Appliance Tech Support. They can tell the complete step by step > process you need to do inorder to fix your problem. > If I remember correctly I think you will need to do a reboot..so > you might want to look at when your next downtime is available. > > Rgds > > > > Premanshu Jain <PrJain(a)shastanets.com> wrote: > > > > Feel toasters will be faster to help... > > Here is the description of my problem> > > > > > > I have an 840 cluster running 5.3.5H1 R2. When I initiate a > manual takeover > > from A, it successfully takes over B. However, the reverse > is not true. If I > > initiate a manual takeover from B (cf takeover) it fails > and tends to hang A > > in rebooting stage..Here are the typical error messages.. > > ___________________________________________ > > Here is the o/p when I initiate a manual takeover.. > > ___________________ > > Tue Dec 19 16:31:52 PST [rc]: Cluster monitor: takeover > initiated by operat > > or > > Tue Dec 19 16:31:52 PST [cf_main]: Cluster monitor: > takeover attempted after > > cf > > takeover command > > Tue Dec 19 16:31:52 PST [cf_main]: Cluster monitor: UP --> TAKEOVER > > Tue Dec 19 16:31:52 PST [cf_takeover]: Cluster monitor: > takeover started > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:04 PST [disk_admin]: Resetting all devices > on ISP2100 in > > slot 9 > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:12 PST [raid_disk_admin]: Root volume vol0 > has the same > > FSID as > > another volume on this system. > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST last message repeated 5 times > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [raid_disk_admin]: RAID takeover > failed: Partner > > disk la > > bel processing failed! > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [cf_takeover]: Cluster monitor: > takeover during raid > > fai > > led; takeover cancelled > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [cf_takeover]: Cluster monitor: > takeover failed > > 'unable > > to start partner' > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [cf_giveback]: Cluster monitor: > giveback started > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [disk_admin]: Resetting all devices > on ISP2100 in > > slot 8 > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [disk_admin]: Resetting all devices > on ISP2100 in > > slot 9 > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:14 PST [asup_main]: Cluster Notification mail sent > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:20 PST [cf_giveback]: Cluster monitor: > giveback completed > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:20 PST [cf_main]: Cluster monitor: TAKEOVER --> UP > > Tue Dec 19 16:32:20 PST [cf_main]: Cluster monitor: partner > not responding > > bot> cf status > > Waiting for store to recover. > > bot has disabled takeover by store (unsynchronized log) > > ________________________ > > > > Other Question : > > I can't use the Windows Hyperterminal keyboard, when > console is pluged > > directly to com port of a windows PC. I was able to do it > earlier..but not > > now.. > > > > > > prem > > Premanshu Jain > > Nortel Networks, Content Networks(Shasta) > > 2305, Mission College Blvd, Santa Clara, CA 95054 > > Direct: (408) 565-3573 ESN: 655-3573 > > eMail: prjain(a)shastanets.com Web: > > http://www.nortelnetworks.com/ipservices > > > > > __________________________________________________________________ > Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Webmail account today at > http://webmail.netscape.com/ >

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Problem on 840 Cluster..
by Premanshu Jain 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

Feel toasters will be faster to help... Here is the description of my problem> I have an 840 cluster running 5.3.5H1 R2. When I initiate a manual takeover from A, it successfully takes over B. However, the reverse is not true. If I initiate a manual takeover from B (cf takeover) it fails and tends to hang A in rebooting stage..Here are the typical error messages.. ___________________________________________ Here is the o/p when I initiate a manual takeover.. ___________________ Tue Dec 19 16:31:52 PST [rc]: Cluster monitor: takeover initiated by operat or Tue Dec 19 16:31:52 PST [cf_main]: Cluster monitor: takeover attempted after cf takeover command Tue Dec 19 16:31:52 PST [cf_main]: Cluster monitor: UP --> TAKEOVER Tue Dec 19 16:31:52 PST [cf_takeover]: Cluster monitor: takeover started Tue Dec 19 16:32:04 PST [disk_admin]: Resetting all devices on ISP2100 in slot 9 Tue Dec 19 16:32:12 PST [raid_disk_admin]: Root volume vol0 has the same FSID as another volume on this system. Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST last message repeated 5 times Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [raid_disk_admin]: RAID takeover failed: Partner disk la bel processing failed! Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [cf_takeover]: Cluster monitor: takeover during raid fai led; takeover cancelled Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [cf_takeover]: Cluster monitor: takeover failed 'unable to start partner' Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [cf_giveback]: Cluster monitor: giveback started Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [disk_admin]: Resetting all devices on ISP2100 in slot 8 Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [disk_admin]: Resetting all devices on ISP2100 in slot 9 Tue Dec 19 16:32:14 PST [asup_main]: Cluster Notification mail sent Tue Dec 19 16:32:20 PST [cf_giveback]: Cluster monitor: giveback completed Tue Dec 19 16:32:20 PST [cf_main]: Cluster monitor: TAKEOVER --> UP Tue Dec 19 16:32:20 PST [cf_main]: Cluster monitor: partner not responding bot> cf status Waiting for store to recover. bot has disabled takeover by store (unsynchronized log) ________________________ Other Question : I can't use the Windows Hyperterminal keyboard, when console is pluged directly to com port of a windows PC. I was able to do it earlier..but not now.. prem Premanshu Jain Nortel Networks, Content Networks(Shasta) 2305, Mission College Blvd, Santa Clara, CA 95054 Direct: (408) 565-3573 ESN: 655-3573 eMail: prjain(a)shastanets.com Web: http://www.nortelnetworks.com/ipservices

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RE: 2 questions for f760
by Sam Schorr 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

Is this really, possibly, wonderfully true??!! Which version of ONTAP fixed this? The reason I ask is that on all our filers (mostly F760 and some F840's), the total number of folders at any one directory level was a function of the inode limit of a 2 bit, unsigned pointer - thus limited it to just under 65k directories at any one level. Since we have 9.5 million user directories spread across those filers, we had to write scripts to check when that threshold was being reached to create a new one. We would just LOVE to hear that this limit has been removed! -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Sterling Woodcock [mailto:sirbruce@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 10:41 AM To: neil lehrer; toasters Subject: Re: 2 questions for f760 ----- Original Message ----- From: "neil lehrer" <nlehrer(a)ibb.gov> To: "toasters" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 9:25 AM Subject: 2 questions for f760 > hi, > > 1. we will be moving our home and share dirs from old sun boxes to > f760. the home dirs on the suns were set up like: > > \home > \home\a > \home\a\abe > \home\a\allen > \home\b > > etc. in other words, user homedirs under the first letter of the id. i > was told this was done for performance reasons, inode searching, on the > sun boxes. > > do i need to use this structure on the 760? is there a similar issue on > filers? or can it just be \home\userid? Unless you're talking 100,000 entries or so, it can be \home\userid. NTAP implemented a large directory performance enhancement a long time ago that could handle 10s of thousands of entries, and the 760 is many, many times faster than that. If you want to read the old paper, though: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3006.html Given the filesystem enhancements since then they may even have gone to b-trees by now. Bruce

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RE: Problem on 840 Cluster..
by Watanabe, Steve 20 Dec '00

20 Dec '00

Premanshu, I assume you meant 5.3.6H1R2, not that it really matters. As for the failed takeovers it should fail in both directions as you have a volume on each node with the same fsid. The fsid is set when the volume is created and is based on the system id of the filer which is extracted from the nvram card. The likely way that this occurred was that vol0 was created on one node and then moved to the other node. Then another vol0 was then created on the first node. Note that when I say "moved" it could have happened if someone was playing with the cabling and switched shelves around. As for getting out of this, the easiest way is to redo the filesystems assuming you haven't populated the volumes with data yet. Otherwise I'd call netapp support and they should walk you through rewriting the fsids on one of the volumes; the one that doesn't match the system id of the host node. -Steve > -----Original Message----- > From: Premanshu Jain [mailto:PrJain@shastanets.com] > Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 5:34 PM > To: toasters > Subject: Problem on 840 Cluster.. > > > Feel toasters will be faster to help... > Here is the description of my problem> > > > I have an 840 cluster running 5.3.5H1 R2. When I initiate a > manual takeover > from A, it successfully takes over B. However, the reverse is > not true. If I > initiate a manual takeover from B (cf takeover) it fails and > tends to hang A > in rebooting stage..Here are the typical error messages.. > ___________________________________________ > Here is the o/p when I initiate a manual takeover.. > ___________________ > Tue Dec 19 16:31:52 PST [rc]: Cluster monitor: takeover > initiated by operat > or > Tue Dec 19 16:31:52 PST [cf_main]: Cluster monitor: takeover > attempted after > cf > takeover command > Tue Dec 19 16:31:52 PST [cf_main]: Cluster monitor: UP --> TAKEOVER > Tue Dec 19 16:31:52 PST [cf_takeover]: Cluster monitor: > takeover started > Tue Dec 19 16:32:04 PST [disk_admin]: Resetting all devices > on ISP2100 in > slot 9 > Tue Dec 19 16:32:12 PST [raid_disk_admin]: Root volume vol0 > has the same > FSID as > another volume on this system. > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST last message repeated 5 times > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [raid_disk_admin]: RAID takeover > failed: Partner > disk la > bel processing failed! > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [cf_takeover]: Cluster monitor: > takeover during raid > fai > led; takeover cancelled > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [cf_takeover]: Cluster monitor: > takeover failed > 'unable > to start partner' > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [cf_giveback]: Cluster monitor: > giveback started > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [disk_admin]: Resetting all devices > on ISP2100 in > slot 8 > Tue Dec 19 16:32:13 PST [disk_admin]: Resetting all devices > on ISP2100 in > slot 9 > Tue Dec 19 16:32:14 PST [asup_main]: Cluster Notification mail sent > Tue Dec 19 16:32:20 PST [cf_giveback]: Cluster monitor: > giveback completed > Tue Dec 19 16:32:20 PST [cf_main]: Cluster monitor: TAKEOVER --> UP > Tue Dec 19 16:32:20 PST [cf_main]: Cluster monitor: partner > not responding > bot> cf status > Waiting for store to recover. > bot has disabled takeover by store (unsynchronized log) > ________________________ > > Other Question : > I can't use the Windows Hyperterminal keyboard, when console is pluged > directly to com port of a windows PC. I was able to do it > earlier..but not > now.. > > > prem > Premanshu Jain > Nortel Networks, Content Networks(Shasta) > 2305, Mission College Blvd, Santa Clara, CA 95054 > Direct: (408) 565-3573 ESN: 655-3573 > eMail: prjain(a)shastanets.com Web: > http://www.nortelnetworks.com/ipservices >

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SQL Server problem
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

One of our DBAs recently posed this question to Microsoft and the only response we got was some badmouthing of NetApp. If anyone has any insight and could help, please let me know. We don't know for certain if it's related to being network attached, or if the database is corrupt, or something else. Thanks, MD > Here is the problem: > We are using a NetApp to store large ~26 GB data warehouse database files > and recently one database went suspect. > One of the dba's that work for me tried to detach and reattach the database. > > This is the error that they received > > Server: Msg 3624, Level 20, State 1, Line 1 > > Location: pageref.cpp:4278 > Expression: rowLog.RowCount () == 1 || pPage->IsEmpty () > SPID: 53 > Process ID: 1528 > > Connection Broken > > There is nothing on MSDN or Technet about this > Do you have any suggestions?

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NetApp and Oracle
by Schiel, John 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

I'd like to pose this question here and see where it leads. If this is not the appropriate forum, please let me know what is. I'm in a group where we need to implement a data warehouse. Our design so far is to purchase two 840 filers each with one terabyte of storage using the 36gb drives. On top of that we are going to use either a 420R or Netra 1405 sun server as the database server (solaris 8, Oracle 8.1.6). What we need to do is grab files off of a 760 filer that is in CDR (comma delimited record) format and load that data into an instance of Oracle. Our goal then is to use some method of getting the data off of the 'load' server to another server that will be essentially 'read only' for reporting purposes. These so far are separate servers and I'd like to stay away from Oracle Parallel Server (OPS) at this point because of the extra maintenance and design work that would need to be done to handle this. What I would like to know is what methods of data movement some of you have used. In our quote for the filers we have asked for SnapMirror but I have some reservations on how that might work with Oracle because of the SCN's that are in each separate instance of Oracle. John

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RE: NetApp and Oracle
by Liu, Jerry 19 Dec '00

19 Dec '00

First, Use Oracle SQLloader to load that data into the Oracle database. Second, Update the read-only-reporting Oracle database from the other database at desired interval. There are several methods to accomplish the second task. Method one: Run Oracle database in archive mode, after the first time load "that data" into the Oracle database, take a cold backup of the DB; use the cold backup to restore on the second server system (sun+F840) to create the reporting database. Then, use Snapmirror to ship archive logs to the reporting database system. Apply archive logs to update the reporting database at desired interval that can be done in scripts via cron job. This method is straight forward. Method two: Use Oracle Standby Database (replication) that provide you the ability to ship archive logs via net8, apply archive logs at desired interval to update/sync with the other database; and the standby database can be in read-only mode as reporting database. You will need to follow Oracle Standby Database documentation for configuration and operation of Oracle Standby Database. Please do not hesitate to contact me if I can provide any assistance. Regards. Jerry Liu Database Engineer Network Appliance, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Schiel, John [mailto:John.Schiel@qwest.com] Sent: Tuesday, December 19, 2000 1:02 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: NetApp and Oracle I'd like to pose this question here and see where it leads. If this is not the appropriate forum, please let me know what is. I'm in a group where we need to implement a data warehouse. Our design so far is to purchase two 840 filers each with one terabyte of storage using the 36gb drives. On top of that we are going to use either a 420R or Netra 1405 sun server as the database server (solaris 8, Oracle 8.1.6). What we need to do is grab files off of a 760 filer that is in CDR (comma delimited record) format and load that data into an instance of Oracle. Our goal then is to use some method of getting the data off of the 'load' server to another server that will be essentially 'read only' for reporting purposes. These so far are separate servers and I'd like to stay away from Oracle Parallel Server (OPS) at this point because of the extra maintenance and design work that would need to be done to handle this. What I would like to know is what methods of data movement some of you have used. In our quote for the filers we have asked for SnapMirror but I have some reservations on how that might work with Oracle because of the SCN's that are in each separate instance of Oracle. John

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