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Storage Wars!
by Horace Mann 24 Mar '01

24 Mar '01

Interesting link I found on Google: http://www.maxstrat.com/oracle1pr.html Alan Benway really seems to like local attached disks. He's been in the business for more than 20 years-it says so at the end of his article. Let's see here-(2001-20) = 1981. Wow! Mainframe days-interesting. Hey wait a minute! Hmmmm.... Who had all the mainframe storage-wait-don't tell me... EMC! Of course! So, local attached-DAS-must be better. Right. Sure. Certainly. NOT. This guy has no clue. I recommend a nice big flame war on this subject because NAS and NetApp is *way* better. DAS sucks, we all must agree. SAN is DAS with a whole bunch of non-standard fibre channel in the middle, which makes it worse. We all have ethernet networks today. Why not continue to use and grow them? Why build a new network that makes no sense? Software is what fails-not hardware. 100% of what makes a fibre SAN go is software. THINK People! Don't buy storage lottery tickets because you don't know any better. Learn something and understand the real math. NetApp rocks and will be the friction that eventually stops the momentum of the EMC nightmare. Let the healing flames begin! Horace Mann __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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RE: ASP caching
by Braunschweiger, Udo 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

We experiencing the same behaviour (or better misbehaviour) within a customers site. Obviously the files stored on the filer must have read-Permission for "Everyone" at the file-level (not share-level). Then this happen not very often. If it happen, It is not nesessary to restart the whole IIS. It is enough to "unload" the cache for the affected virtual web. Good Luck > -----Original Message----- > From: Jean-Christophe Smith [mailto:jsmith@publichost.com] > Sent: Montag, 19. März 2001 20:37 > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com ' > Subject: ASP caching > > > > We have a cluster of Windows 2000 servers running IIS 5.0, > content lives on > a NetApp F720 running OnTap Release 5.3.7R2. Our customers > use FTP to upload > their web pages. > > IIS is caching ASP(active server pages), customers will make > changes to > their ASP files and try to view them(view IIS) and they see > the older pages. > I read about this issue entitled "5.3 Active Server Page > Caching" in the > NetApp document "Integrating a NetApp Filer with Microsoft IIS". I > understand it is an issue with CIFS change/notify events and > the way IIS was > designed. > > Does anybody know a way of fixing this? or maybe way to increase the > change/notify events, or... > > For now, we have to restart IIS when changes are made. > > Maybe I could write a program to manually induce change/notify events? > > Thanks, > Jean-Christophe Smith > jsmith(a)publichost.com > VitalStream.com > >

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using rsync with vol copy
by Coder, James (STP) 22 Mar '01

22 Mar '01

I am getting ready to move a volume (with 36gb disk) that's internal to the filer to a new volume (with 72gb disk). Have seen some references to rsync in the toasters. I looked at their web page and in the process of building it. How do you folks feel about it? My original plan is to move the data overnight, update the filer exports, cifs and nis, then turn it back over (approx 12 hours of work during a weekend). Seems with rsync I can do the initial copy and then come back over it with an "incremental" and be less intrusive of my engineers? What's been your experience? Please just post reponses to toasters. thx -jc James C. Coder Guidant CRM email: james.coder(a)guidant.com Phone: 651-582-4797

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RE: using rsync with vol copy
by Haynes, Tom 21 Mar '01

21 Mar '01

You can also do this with ndmpcopy (which does not require a license) and with snapmirror (which requires a license). http://www.ndmp.org/download/ndmpcopy/index.html You can specify the level: 0 (full dump) to 9 (incrementals). It grabs and keeps ACLs, which can be important if you have any CIFS users. -----Original Message----- From: Coder, James (STP) [mailto:james.coder@guidant.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 21, 2001 12:58 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: using rsync with vol copy I am getting ready to move a volume (with 36gb disk) that's internal to the filer to a new volume (with 72gb disk). Have seen some references to rsync in the toasters. I looked at their web page and in the process of building it. How do you folks feel about it? My original plan is to move the data overnight, update the filer exports, cifs and nis, then turn it back over (approx 12 hours of work during a weekend). Seems with rsync I can do the initial copy and then come back over it with an "incremental" and be less intrusive of my engineers? What's been your experience? Please just post reponses to toasters. thx -jc James C. Coder Guidant CRM email: james.coder(a)guidant.com Phone: 651-582-4797

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IBM HACMP support
by Levent Kaptanoglu 21 Mar '01

21 Mar '01

Is there anybody used Filer with IBM HACMP ? I want to know if HACMP supports Filer or not ? --------------------------------- Levent KAPTANOGLU System Engineer PROLINK phone : +90 216 5737300 ext:108 mobile: +90 532 450 72 83

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RE: Getting lists of bugs fixed in an ONTAP release
by La Londe, Renee 21 Mar '01

21 Mar '01

Hi Chris, One clarification (may not be clear in my note below). When you perfom the "All Bugs Lookup" query for any specific release it gives you all bugs fixed in the specified release + all bugs fixed in every single prior release that has ever been released by Netapp. (that is why the list appears long--because it is showing you ALL). As noted below, if you want to find out *just what was fixed* in any specific release you can do so by comparing it to the previous release in our 'Release Comparison Tool' http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/relcmp.on Thanks again, Renee Get Answers on NOW (Netapp on the Web)! http://now.netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: La Londe, Renee Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 2:39 PM To: 'cet1(a)cus.cam.ac.uk' Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Getting lists of bugs fixed in an ONTAP release Hi Chris, First I'd like to apologize for the problems we were experiencing with the bug tools yesterday. I'd also like to thank you for the candid feedback. Here are some updates regarding the issues you mentioned: We have fixed the issue with the Realease Comparison Tool so you can use it to see a list of bugs fixed in 6.0.2 that were not fixed in 6.0.1R3. Here is the link: http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/relcmp.on Just select the check box for 6.0.1R3 and in the 'Other' field enter '6.0.2' and click 'Go'. It will compare these two releases and generate the list of bug differences between the two. I think this is the information you were looking for, correct? We're also going to go back through the release notes for 6.0.2 (and previous releases) and update the pages so that the links to our bug tools are less confusing.. We have also fixed the issue with 6.0.2 "all bugs lookup" so you can now click on the link below, enter '6.0.2' in the 'Other' field, and you'll get a cumulative list of all the bugs fixed in this release (there are over 1000 so it will take a few moments for the page to display... we're working an enhancement to break the results up into seperate pages where you can click 'next' rather than having them all display on a single page - less overwhelming...). Let me know if you have any questions or additional feedback. Thanks again, Renee Get Answers on NOW (Netapp on the Web)! http://now.netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Thompson [mailto:cet1@cus.cam.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:26 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Getting lists of bugs fixed in an ONTAP release Those who have looked at the "Start Here" document for 6.0.2 may have noticed that the "Bugs Fixed" section has been replaced by a reference to the "Access Software Bug Tools" section of now.netapp.com. This is presumably a Sign Of Things To Come for future releases... This would make sense if I could actually get the *bleep*ing list out of now.netapp.com: specifically, say, a list of bugs fixed in 6.0.2 that were not fixed in 6.0.1R3. Has anyone managed this trick? When I select the "All Bugs Lookup" option, I get offered a list of pretty moth-eaten releases (5.2.3, 5.2.3P1, 5.3.6R2, 5.3.7) and "Other(s)", but when I put anything recent into the latter box, I seem to always get a null response to "Go". Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1(a)ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom.

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RE: Getting lists of bugs fixed in an ONTAP release
by La Londe, Renee 20 Mar '01

20 Mar '01

Hi Chris, First I'd like to apologize for the problems we were experiencing with the bug tools yesterday. I'd also like to thank you for the candid feedback. Here are some updates regarding the issues you mentioned: We have fixed the issue with the Realease Comparison Tool so you can use it to see a list of bugs fixed in 6.0.2 that were not fixed in 6.0.1R3. Here is the link: http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/relcmp.on Just select the check box for 6.0.1R3 and in the 'Other' field enter '6.0.2' and click 'Go'. It will compare these two releases and generate the list of bug differences between the two. I think this is the information you were looking for, correct? We're also going to go back through the release notes for 6.0.2 (and previous releases) and update the pages so that the links to our bug tools are less confusing.. We have also fixed the issue with 6.0.2 "all bugs lookup" so you can now click on the link below, enter '6.0.2' in the 'Other' field, and you'll get a cumulative list of all the bugs fixed in this release (there are over 1000 so it will take a few moments for the page to display... we're working an enhancement to break the results up into seperate pages where you can click 'next' rather than having them all display on a single page - less overwhelming...). Let me know if you have any questions or additional feedback. Thanks again, Renee Get Answers on NOW (Netapp on the Web)! http://now.netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: Chris Thompson [mailto:cet1@cus.cam.ac.uk] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 1:26 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Getting lists of bugs fixed in an ONTAP release Those who have looked at the "Start Here" document for 6.0.2 may have noticed that the "Bugs Fixed" section has been replaced by a reference to the "Access Software Bug Tools" section of now.netapp.com. This is presumably a Sign Of Things To Come for future releases... This would make sense if I could actually get the *bleep*ing list out of now.netapp.com: specifically, say, a list of bugs fixed in 6.0.2 that were not fixed in 6.0.1R3. Has anyone managed this trick? When I select the "All Bugs Lookup" option, I get offered a list of pretty moth-eaten releases (5.2.3, 5.2.3P1, 5.3.6R2, 5.3.7) and "Other(s)", but when I put anything recent into the latter box, I seem to always get a null response to "Go". Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1(a)ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom.

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RE: CIFS not working after ...
by Jankowski Ted-CTJ012 20 Mar '01

20 Mar '01

This is bug 28491 http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/bol?Type=Detail&Display=28491 It's fixed in 5.3.7 and better. -----Original Message----- From: Farid Hamjavar [mailto:hamjavar@unm.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 11:30 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: CIFS not working after ... NetApp Release 5.3.6R2 hello, In our environment, we're experiencing that those who applied sp1 to their windows 2000 professional are no longer able to map a drive off a share served by netapp filer -- They were able before applying sp1. Does that mean such users need to wait for sp2 to arrive? Farid

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RE: CIFS not working after ...
by Loux, Linda 20 Mar '01

20 Mar '01

I have both workstations and servers with Win2K SP1 installed, and have not seen this problem. You probably need to further review your cifs settings. -----Original Message----- From: Farid Hamjavar [mailto:hamjavar@unm.edu] Sent: Tuesday, March 20, 2001 9:30 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: CIFS not working after ... NetApp Release 5.3.6R2 hello, In our environment, we're experiencing that those who applied sp1 to their windows 2000 professional are no longer able to map a drive off a share served by netapp filer -- They were able before applying sp1. Does that mean such users need to wait for sp2 to arrive? Farid **************************************************************************** This e-mail message is the property of Rosetta Inpharmatics and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying, or communication of the contents of this message is prohibited. If this message was received in error, please forward a copy to mail_admin(a)rii.com and delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Thank you. ****************************************************************************

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Getting lists of bugs fixed in an ONTAP release
by Chris Thompson 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

Those who have looked at the "Start Here" document for 6.0.2 may have noticed that the "Bugs Fixed" section has been replaced by a reference to the "Access Software Bug Tools" section of now.netapp.com. This is presumably a Sign Of Things To Come for future releases... This would make sense if I could actually get the *bleep*ing list out of now.netapp.com: specifically, say, a list of bugs fixed in 6.0.2 that were not fixed in 6.0.1R3. Has anyone managed this trick? When I select the "All Bugs Lookup" option, I get offered a list of pretty moth-eaten releases (5.2.3, 5.2.3P1, 5.3.6R2, 5.3.7) and "Other(s)", but when I put anything recent into the latter box, I seem to always get a null response to "Go". Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1(a)ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom.

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