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RE: Exchange 5.5 on Filer
by Waters, G Scott DSTI 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

You need to rephrase that statement ... Microsoft does not recommend or support Exchange 5.5 or 2K on any NAS. We are in the process of upgrading our entire Exchange site. We currently run very old multi-processor servers and serve about 400 - 500 users on each machine. I was tasked to recommend an upgrade path ... after hearing Microsoft's recommendations and taking into account that we are Microsoft Premier Support customer, I recommended a SAN solution. My recommendations were ignored and as the Exchange Admin, I am now being forced to implement a NAS solution. I have nothing against the Filer or NetApp. The product is wonderful. I do however, realize that the Exchange database sucks and when you talk to it through the Windows "redirector" you are asking for trouble. The decision should be based on how comfortable you are with Exchange and the Filer and also if you are willing to run Exchange in an unsupported mode (from Microsoft - NetApp has some arrangement with IBM Global for Exchange support if you need it after putting your system into an unsupported mode). I talked to several references and they all had nothing but good things to say. I'll have some personal stories to share in the next month or two. In all the meetings and arguing that lead up to the decision there was one statement that just floored me. It was at a meeting where I am defending my position to use SAN technology and not NAS. Someone in the meeting turns to me and says "I can't believe you are going to let Microsoft dictate your hardware requirements". I was floored and replied "a.) As the author of the software in question, I figured they would have the best knowledge on where to run it and more importantly b.) we (as an organization) let Microsoft dictate the software that we run (we only run Microsoft products, we can only develop in Microsoft languages, etc) so I figured if we follow like lambs in one case ... why not the other??" Remember, before you flame, I am in no way slamming the NetApp or the Filer in general ... I was just trying to keep the site "supportable". Scott Waters US Army HQ Soldier and Biological Chemical Command (USAHQSBCCOM) scott.waters(a)sbccom.apgea.army.mil -----Original Message----- From: Rafi Mimon [mailto:rmimon@vyyo.co.il] Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 9:12 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Exchange 5.5 on Filer Hello all, I'm thinking of using the Filer with Exchange 5.5. I have one F740 with ONTAP 6.0.2R1. Microsoft does not recommend to use any NAS system for the exchange database files, so I would like to hear from you guys, did you encountered any problems? should I connect the Exchange server and the Filer Back to back or to the LANs backbone? Rafi Mimon VYYO.LTD. E-mail :rmimon@vyyo.co.il ********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error (whether inadvertently addressed to you, or if forwarded to you by a recipient), please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by Vyyo's Virus Scan Systems for the presence of computer viruses. **********************************************************************

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Exchange 5.5 on Filer
by Rafi Mimon 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Hello all, I'm thinking of using the Filer with Exchange 5.5. I have one F740 with ONTAP 6.0.2R1. Microsoft does not recommend to use any NAS system for the exchange database files, so I would like to hear from you guys, did you encountered any problems? should I connect the Exchange server and the Filer Back to back or to the LANs backbone? Rafi Mimon VYYO.LTD. E-mail :rmimon@vyyo.co.il ********************************************************************** The information transmitted is intended only for the person or entity to which it is addressed and may contain confidential and/or privileged material. Any review, retransmission, dissemination or other use of, or taking of any action in reliance upon, this information by persons or entities other than the intended recipient is prohibited. If you received this in error (whether inadvertently addressed to you, or if forwarded to you by a recipient), please contact the sender and delete the material from any computer. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by Vyyo's Virus Scan Systems for the presence of computer viruses. **********************************************************************

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Permission denied
by A, Srikanth (Srikanth) 04 Jun '01

04 Jun '01

Hello all, We have Netapps 760 with NetApp Release 5.3.6R2. On netapp only NFS is enabled and it has quad Ethernet card all are 100 MBPS full duplex. Clients are sun and hp machines. now a days we have a problem on clients it says NFS write error on host filer: Permission denied Can someone tell me what could the problem. - Best Regards, Srikanth A. Lucent Technologies O Phone: +91-80-505 2060

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filer-MRTG on Linux/Windows
by Roger Bonine 01 Jun '01

01 Jun '01

I'm trying to install filer-MRTG on Linux, and I'm running into a problem. When I edit the Makefile as listed in the docs and type make, the makefile creates the directories, gets to the "Doing make in bin..." prompt, and just sits there. I'm not very fluent in Linux (we have a Windows-only environment), and I'm having trouble figuring out why the make is not finishing. Does anyone have any ideas? System is Red Hat 7.1. Alternatively (and preferably), has anyone successfully set up filer-MRTG on NT? I'm familiar with MRTG - our routers are monitored with it on NT now - but I haven't been sucessful in setting the filers up so far. --Roger _________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com

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Re: EMC IP4700 vs NetApp F740
by Chris_Van_Genderen＠NexFlash.com 31 May '01

31 May '01

Bruce, One of the items that I did not mention was that we are a start up company that is using the back-end infrastructure of our parent company. I have been given the task of not only buying a NAS device for company wide storage, but also to build the entire network infrastructure and server infrastructure for our new location. So, what ever we purchase will need to go online immediately and support the company in a new location. I don't have the "test-bed" to test anything. As you can also guess, via my title, I am not a MIS person either. So, I've been going through a fairly steep learning curve in many areas. I am weary about compatibility issues with NFS and our engineering/CAD Sun machines. In this area, I feel because of their industry experience, NetApp has the edge. I've talked with EMC on this issue, and they re-assure me that the IP4700 will not have compatibility problems. However, this is much different than having users of the product claim that their are no compatibility problems. My gut feeling is to go with the F740 because of the existing installation base, and the maturity of the product. I'm just a little miffed that NetApp has been trying to use my inexperience and limited knowledgebase against me during the sales process; it doesn't give me the feeling that I can trust them. Chris Van Genderen Software Engineer & Applications Manager NexFlash Technologies, Inc. chris_van_genderen(a)nexflash.com "Bruce Sterling To: <toasters(a)mathworks.com>, <Chris_Van_Genderen(a)NexFlash.com> Woodcock" cc: (bcc: Chris Van Genderen/Santa Clara/ISSIHQ) <sirbruce(a)ix.n Subject: Re: EMC IP4700 vs NetApp F740 etcom.com> 05/09/01 03:45 PM Most of what you seem to be weighing are nebulous issues of who says what. Why don't you just find out for yourself? Ask Netapp for an F760 to try out for 2 weeks. Ask EMC for an IP4700 *at the equivalent price and disk capacity, with RAID* to try out for 2 weeks. See which has better performance for your users and which you can administer easier. Build large RAID groups, test simultaneous file sharing from NFS and CIFS, fail drives, do rebuilds, etc. Bruce

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RE: NetApp NDMP Veritas NetBackup SunStoredge L1000
by Cormier, Darleen 31 May '01

31 May '01

Hi Ahmed, I'm not sure I understand exactly how you have the drives connected to the filer, but you might want to check that your drives and HBA are the same type. For example, If the drives and library are LVD/SE SCSI, make sure you're not plugging them into an HVD SCSI Host Bus Adapter, on the filer. And of course if the library is FCAL, your HBA must be FCAL. -----Original Message----- From: Ahmed Fayek [mailto:ahmed_fayek@mentorg.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2001 1:32 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: NetApp NDMP Veritas NetBackup SunStoredge L1000 Hello all, i know it's a long email but i had to describe the system to give you a clear idea. My system contains: *A robot library: Sun Storedge L1000, with 2 tape drives in it. *2 NDMP hosts to be connected physically to this library, they are NetApp filers , ONTAP 5.3.6R2 , *On the same LAN i got an Ultra10 solaris 7 machine on which installed Veritas NetBackup 3.4 data center with NDMP option installed, this will be my master/media server. What i'm wondering about now is: 1.The filer connected to the library detects it as mc0 but does not detect the drives in the library. is there a reconfiguration reboot to do in netapp ? i did reboot it but no change. 2.On adding the robot to NetBackup configuration, it requires: device host = master/media server (NetBackup for NDMP server). volume database host = master/media server (NetBackup for NDMP server). robot device = logic name of robot NDMP host name = ?? ex: toaster1 Here i need to specify an NDMP host name . So will i create a robot entry for each NDMP host? though they r both connected to same robot ?? 3.On adding the drive, it depends also on the NDMP host name: ex: toaster1:nrst0a will the other drive be toaster1:nrst1a , or toaster2:nrst1a ??? 4.Then on adding the storage unit: it also needs NDMP host name, will i add 2 storage units with the same configuration but differ in NDMP hostname only ?? I know it's a complex configuration, i'm planning for it from about 6 weeks ago and still doing search on it Have you got any idea about such configuration? Is it ok to connect both netapp filers to same library? Best Regards , -- Ahmed.

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NetApp NDMP Veritas NetBackup SunStoredge L1000
by Ahmed Fayek 30 May '01

30 May '01

Hello all, i know it's a long email but i had to describe the system to give you a clear idea. My system contains: *A robot library: Sun Storedge L1000, with 2 tape drives in it. *2 NDMP hosts to be connected physically to this library, they are NetApp filers , ONTAP 5.3.6R2 , *On the same LAN i got an Ultra10 solaris 7 machine on which installed Veritas NetBackup 3.4 data center with NDMP option installed, this will be my master/media server. What i'm wondering about now is: 1.The filer connected to the library detects it as mc0 but does not detect the drives in the library. is there a reconfiguration reboot to do in netapp ? i did reboot it but no change. 2.On adding the robot to NetBackup configuration, it requires: device host = master/media server (NetBackup for NDMP server). volume database host = master/media server (NetBackup for NDMP server). robot device = logic name of robot NDMP host name = ?? ex: toaster1 Here i need to specify an NDMP host name . So will i create a robot entry for each NDMP host? though they r both connected to same robot ?? 3.On adding the drive, it depends also on the NDMP host name: ex: toaster1:nrst0a will the other drive be toaster1:nrst1a , or toaster2:nrst1a ??? 4.Then on adding the storage unit: it also needs NDMP host name, will i add 2 storage units with the same configuration but differ in NDMP hostname only ?? I know it's a complex configuration, i'm planning for it from about 6 weeks ago and still doing search on it Have you got any idea about such configuration? Is it ok to connect both netapp filers to same library? Best Regards , -- Ahmed.

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DS14 disk shelves
by Scott Mikusko 29 May '01

29 May '01

Anyone out there in toasterland have any of the new DS14 disk shelves? Trying to get some idea of performance and impressions on the new units with people. These are the new fibre channel disk shelves that house 14 drives from Netapp. Seen some basic spcs on them, but wondered if anyone has installed and run these on any F700/800 series units. -Scott

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FS: NetApp Hardware System Cabinets - $2,180.00
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 29 May '01

29 May '01

We've got several of NetApp's 36U Hardware System Cabinets - Item No. X851A-C (Item Description: Cabinet 36U 220V NEMA L6-20P). NetApp lists the cabinets for $5,450.00; we would like to get $2,180.00. Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 FAX: 952 935 5056 scott(a)unioncomputer.com

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Filer drops off the Network
by Kennard, Dave M SSI-ISEL-31 29 May '01

29 May '01

List, Anyone ever seen a filer drop off the network (single gigabit card) for a while (10 minutes or so) symptoms are: Cant connect to cifs shares (we only use cifs). cant remote shell to the filer. cant ping the filer. can connect via the console port filer looks fine from there the interface is up and not generating errors. cant ping any devices from the filer. can ping the filer from the filer can ping the loopback address from the filer. after 10 minutes or so the filer comes back as if nothing had happened (this only started to happen after we upgraded to OnTAP 6.0.1r3.) any ideas? Dave M. Kennard

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