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Re: a what-if disaster recovery question?
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 07 Jan '03

07 Jan '03

Extra filer heads not only make great swap/failover boxes, but excellent on-site spares kits and test beds as well. As such, many of our customers are dropping NetApp's expensive hardware support on their F700's.........when they suffer a hardware failure, they can swap the failing part immediately; we then ship a replacement part that goes back into their failover filer/spares kit. F720, 740 and 760 filer heads (without licensing) can be purchased for pennies on the dollar :-) Scott Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 email: scott(a)unioncomputer.com phone: 952 935 7282 | fax: 952 935 5056 "Helping our customers make each dollar go further -- since 1991!" www.unioncomputer.com > Subj:Re: a what if disaster recovery question? > Date:1/6/2003 4:34:48 PM Central Standard Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:rb@telenor.net">rb(a)telenor.net</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:DFinn@studentadvantage.com">DFinn(a)studentadvantage.com</A> > CC:<A HREF="mailto:toasters@mathworks.com">toasters(a)mathworks.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Daniel Finn <DFinn(a)studentadvantage.com> writes: > > > What if we have a failure in one of the heads of our F760s? We have a > spare > > F740 head, would we be able to just put that in place? Is the raid > > information stored on the disk or on firmware in the head? I'm mostly > > wondering what would happen to the data in this situation. > > All relevant raid and firmware information is stored on multiple > disks, so swapping heads is simple and straitforward. > > I have never swapped from a "larger" head to a "smaller" head, but > both heads are Alpha based, and it should work, atleast in theory, as > the HW is is more or less equivilant, but there are HW constraints on > max raw disk capasity, raw file system size, number of FC Host Bus > Adapters etc. These factors may trip an apparent easy swap - though. > > I have, on a couple of occations upgraded from F720 to F740 without > much ado. Only make sure to edit /etc/rc file ahead of shutdown. > > We keep a spare head for our F740s, but since the major load now is on > F8xx (soon to add a FAS960c), we won't keep a spare F740 head on location > anymore - not really important ... > > If disaster recovery is important, I would suggest a 'spare kit' or as > we do, service contract with a local agent with 24h delivery. > > > Also, are shelves swappable between F760s and F740s? > > Definitely yes, with or without disks > > >>>>>>>>>><.rune > > -- > Rune Bakken > Senior System Administrator > Telenor Business Solutions (Nextra), ManagedServices/*/IP-Services > Ph: +47 992 86 474 >

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Re: a what if disaster recovery question?
by Rune Bakken 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Daniel Finn <DFinn(a)studentadvantage.com> writes: > What if we have a failure in one of the heads of our F760s? We have a spare > F740 head, would we be able to just put that in place? Is the raid > information stored on the disk or on firmware in the head? I'm mostly > wondering what would happen to the data in this situation. All relevant raid and firmware information is stored on multiple disks, so swapping heads is simple and straitforward. I have never swapped from a "larger" head to a "smaller" head, but both heads are Alpha based, and it should work, atleast in theory, as the HW is is more or less equivilant, but there are HW constraints on max raw disk capasity, raw file system size, number of FC Host Bus Adapters etc. These factors may trip an apparent easy swap - though. I have, on a couple of occations upgraded from F720 to F740 without much ado. Only make sure to edit /etc/rc file ahead of shutdown. We keep a spare head for our F740s, but since the major load now is on F8xx (soon to add a FAS960c), we won't keep a spare F740 head on location anymore - not really important ... If disaster recovery is important, I would suggest a 'spare kit' or as we do, service contract with a local agent with 24h delivery. > Also, are shelves swappable between F760s and F740s? Definitely yes, with or without disks >>>>>>>>>><.rune -- Rune Bakken Senior System Administrator Telenor Business Solutions (Nextra), ManagedServices/*/IP-Services Ph: +47 992 86 474

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a what if disaster recovery question?
by Daniel Finn 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

What if we have a failure in one of the heads of our F760s? We have a spare F740 head, would we be able to just put that in place? Is the raid information stored on the disk or on firmware in the head? I'm mostly wondering what would happen to the data in this situation. Also, are shelves swappable between F760s and F740s? Thanks Dan

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Odd log entry
by Stephen C. Woods 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

We're stumped, it appears as though someone issued a disk swap command on one of our filers, however none of us did. NetApp Release 5.1.2R3 on a 540. Is there some other reason that this might occur, disk or SCSI bus glitch? As far as we can tell nothing has changed in the disk farm (syconfig -r matches the weekly email from this week). <scw> Thu Jan 2 10:08:52 PST [disk_config_admin]: *** NOTICE *** A disk has been swapped (removed or added) to a modular storage shelf. The system will wait 15 seconds and then check the status of all disk drives. Thu Jan 2 10:09:26 PST [disk_config_admin]: *** NOTICE *** Disk unit status check has completed. ----- Stephen C. Woods; UCLA SEASnet; 2567 Boelter hall; LA CA 90095; (310)-825-8614 Unless otherwise noted these statements are my own, Not those of the University of California. Internet mail:scw@seas.ucla.edu

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RE: mounting foreign root volume (multiple root volumes) causes p anick
by Chuck Tomasi 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Vol status will tell you which one is the "root" (default boot) volume. To change it use vol options. You can have as many "stand by" root volumes as you like, but it will only boot from the marked "root" under the options column output from vol status. --Chuck -----Original Message----- From: steve(a)hq.newdream.net [mailto:steve@hq.newdream.net] Sent: Friday, January 03, 2003 12:52 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: mounting foreign root volume (multiple root volumes) causes panick Does anyone know if you can mount two (or more) root volumes on one filer and how tell it which on to boot from? I had a filer/shelf with a corrupt vol0. However there was user data on there I wanted to get at. So I mounted it on another test filer whose root volume was named boot, but the filer now complained about having two root volumes (boot and vol0). Thu Jan 2 21:09:00 GMT [fmmbx_instanceWorke:info]: Disk 4.1 is a primary mailbox disk Thu Jan 2 21:09:00 GMT [fmmbx_instanceWorke:info]: Disk 4.0 is a primary mailbox disk Thu Jan 2 21:09:00 GMT [fmmbx_instanceWorke:info]: normal mailbox instance on primary side Thu Jan 2 21:09:01 GMT [raid.assim.tree.multipleRootVols:error]: Volumes vol0 and boot both claim to be the root volume. 2 root volumes found: vol0 boot PANIC: 2 root volumes found, 2 of which are online. in process rc on release NetApp Release 6.3.1 on Thu Jan 2 21:09:02 2003 version: NetApp Release 6.3.1: Wed Nov 20 13:00:54 PST 2002 cc flags: 1 I was trying to boot both as readonly so I could boot off a previous inode on the corrupt vol0. Anyone know if there is a way to specify which volume to boot from when you are mounting multiple root volumes on one filer? I've already gotten the data in another fashion but I thought it should be able to mount two root volumes on one filer. Steve

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mounting foreign root volume (multiple root volumes) causes panick
by steve＠hq.newdream.net 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

Does anyone know if you can mount two (or more) root volumes on one filer and how tell it which on to boot from? I had a filer/shelf with a corrupt vol0. However there was user data on there I wanted to get at. So I mounted it on another test filer whose root volume was named boot, but the filer now complained about having two root volumes (boot and vol0). Thu Jan 2 21:09:00 GMT [fmmbx_instanceWorke:info]: Disk 4.1 is a primary mailbox disk Thu Jan 2 21:09:00 GMT [fmmbx_instanceWorke:info]: Disk 4.0 is a primary mailbox disk Thu Jan 2 21:09:00 GMT [fmmbx_instanceWorke:info]: normal mailbox instance on primary side Thu Jan 2 21:09:01 GMT [raid.assim.tree.multipleRootVols:error]: Volumes vol0 and boot both claim to be the root volume. 2 root volumes found: vol0 boot PANIC: 2 root volumes found, 2 of which are online. in process rc on release NetApp Release 6.3.1 on Thu Jan 2 21:09:02 2003 version: NetApp Release 6.3.1: Wed Nov 20 13:00:54 PST 2002 cc flags: 1 I was trying to boot both as readonly so I could boot off a previous inode on the corrupt vol0. Anyone know if there is a way to specify which volume to boot from when you are mounting multiple root volumes on one filer? I've already gotten the data in another fashion but I thought it should be able to mount two root volumes on one filer. Steve

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06 Jan '03

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Mac (pre OSX) and NFS
by Peter Bryant 06 Jan '03

06 Jan '03

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Bakbone and Netapp
by Levent Kaptanoglu 04 Jan '03

04 Jan '03

Hello , My company is providing security and storage solutions and we are a Netapp Reseller. Nowadays we are looking for a backup software to expand our storage solutions and I am examining Bakbone's Netvault . I read some guides , whitepapers , reports which I have received from Bakbone and they are all positive but I need some real world experience. Any positive/negative feedback from you about using Bakbone with Filer or any other storage products would be very helpful. Thanks in advance Levent Kaptanoglu System Engineer PROLINK *:+90 216 5737300 ext.108 *:+90 532 4507283 *:+90 216 5737307 *:www.prolink.com.tr

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RE: accessing local group
by Bui, Marcus 02 Jan '03

02 Jan '03

I can mapped to the ETC folder, but unable to view/change the contents. Get 'access denied'. -----Original Message----- From: Fox, Adam [mailto:Adam.Fox@netapp.com] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:49 PM To: 'Bui, Marcus' Subject: RE: accessing local group The key is to be in the Local Adminstrators group. When you changed domains, perhaps this wasn't updated. Try taking a peek at the filer etc\lclgroups.cfg on the filer and look at the SIDs under the Administrators group. You can use the cifs lookup command to decode the SIDs. If the Domain Admins Group isn't there, fix it by changing the SIDs. BE VERY CAREFUL and have your old copy of this file available either by copying it or having a known good copy in a snapshot because you want to be careful and be able to fall back. In order to make CIFS see changes in this file, you must terminate and restart cifs (at least it's quicker than a reboot). Hope this helps. You may want to consider calling NTAP to walk you through it, but that's how I would approach it. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: Bui, Marcus [mailto:Marcus_Bui@AIMFUNDS.COM] Sent: Thursday, January 02, 2003 2:39 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: accessing local group All, I have a test F85 (ONTAP 6.2.2) in an NT4 Domain but I am unable to access the local group on the filer. The box was previously in W2K AD but was moved to an NT4 domain. The filer is listed in the domain. I logged as Domain Admin but still get 'access denied' when trying to access the filer's local group. Did 'cifs testdc' and it is authenticating to the correct DC. Any suggestions is appreciated. thanks, Marcus Bui

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