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NetApp simulator
by Jose Celestino 08 May '03

08 May '03

Hi, anyone knows where can I get a netapp simulator for linux? TIA. -- Jose Celestino | http://xpto.org/~japc/files/japc-pgpkey.asc ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Don't summarize. Don't abbreviate. Don't interpret." -- DJB

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Re: "snap list" and "df" output differs
by Davin Milun 08 May '03

08 May '03

The numbers in snap list are relative to the total volume sizes: 29527820 / (163842632 + 29527820) = 0.1527, which is rounded to 15% of the total used space. 29527820 / (300719556 + 75179888) = .07855, which is rounded to 8% of the total size of the volume. 39% is how much of the snap reserve you're using right now. (But nothing prevents this from going over 100%.) Davin. At 16:22, on May 7, 2003, Charles Bartels wrote: > Hi, > > Running "df" and "snap list" show vastily different numbers. Is this a bug > or am I missing something? Shouldn't the 39% under capacity for df match > the 15% under %/used ? > > Ex. > > Filer> df > Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on > /vol/vol0/ 300719556 163842632 136876924 54% /vol/vol0/ > /vol/vol0/.snapshot 75179888 29527820 45652068 39% > /vol/vol0/.snapshot > > > Filer> snap list > Volume vol0 > working... > > %/used %/total date name > ---------- ---------- ------------ -------- > 0% ( 0%) 0% ( 0%) May 07 16:00 hourly.0 > 1% ( 1%) 0% ( 0%) May 07 12:00 hourly.1 > 2% ( 1%) 1% ( 1%) May 07 08:00 hourly.2 > 3% ( 1%) 1% ( 1%) May 07 00:00 nightly.0 > 4% ( 1%) 2% ( 0%) May 06 20:00 hourly.3 > 5% ( 1%) 2% ( 1%) May 06 16:00 hourly.4 > 6% ( 1%) 3% ( 1%) May 06 12:00 hourly.5 > 9% ( 3%) 4% ( 1%) May 06 00:00 nightly.1 > 15% ( 7%) 8% ( 3%) May 05 00:00 weekly.0

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"snap list" and "df" output differs
by Charles Bartels 07 May '03

07 May '03

Hi, Running "df" and "snap list" show vastily different numbers. Is this a bug or am I missing something? Shouldn't the 39% under capacity for df match the 15% under %/used ? Ex. Filer> df Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /vol/vol0/ 300719556 163842632 136876924 54% /vol/vol0/ /vol/vol0/.snapshot 75179888 29527820 45652068 39% /vol/vol0/.snapshot Filer> snap list Volume vol0 working... %/used %/total date name ---------- ---------- ------------ -------- 0% ( 0%) 0% ( 0%) May 07 16:00 hourly.0 1% ( 1%) 0% ( 0%) May 07 12:00 hourly.1 2% ( 1%) 1% ( 1%) May 07 08:00 hourly.2 3% ( 1%) 1% ( 1%) May 07 00:00 nightly.0 4% ( 1%) 2% ( 0%) May 06 20:00 hourly.3 5% ( 1%) 2% ( 1%) May 06 16:00 hourly.4 6% ( 1%) 3% ( 1%) May 06 12:00 hourly.5 9% ( 3%) 4% ( 1%) May 06 00:00 nightly.1 15% ( 7%) 8% ( 3%) May 05 00:00 weekly.0

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RE: Legato and NDMP
by Dell, Mary 07 May '03

07 May '03

Just to add what others have said about NDMP and Legato, here's my experience: 1. You can use nfs mounts with legato fine, but you will not get CIFS metadata that way. So if you're only using NFS on your filer, I would recommend using nfs mounts instead of NDMP...more flexible and fewer juke issues down the road. If you're using CIFS you will probably want to retain your user permission data. 2. our juke (ATL1500) requires an ungodly amount of load sleep and unload sleep time to be able to mount and unmount tapes. I have it set to 300 sec on every sleep time that affects loading. What happened with the default (5 sec I think) is that it would get the signal to load the tape, then get the signal to read the label way before the tape was in the drive, and therefore think the drive was empty, and come back with an error. Icky. Once we increased the load times, all was ok. 3. NDMP can't do incremental backups (differentials are fine)...we do a full one night and level 1's the rest of the week, and that works fine. 4. we had the juke directly attached to the filer but for various reasons related to our particular environment we ended up attaching it to a sun machine and using a 3-way NDMP setup to back up the filer. It's not as fast as direct attach but it does work. In the unlikely event that you need to do this, feel free to email me direct and I'll be happy to walk you through it. You'll probably only need to do this if you've significantly angered one of ye elder gods, though...it's not normal. I've been running NDMP/Legato for about 2 years now and have probably seen every possible error message, so you can file me in your contacts if you like...good luck Mary Dell Server Administrator Mesirow Financial mdell(a)mesirowfinancial.com This communication may contain privileged and/or confidential information. It is intended solely for the use of the addressee. If you are not the intended recipient, you are strictly prohibited from disclosing, copying, distributing or using any of this information. If you received this communication in error, please contact the sender immediately and destroy the material in its entirety, whether electronic or hard copy. Confidential, proprietary or time-sensitive communications should not be transmitted via the Internet, as there can be no assurance of actual or timely delivery, receipt and/or confidentiality. This is not an offer, or solicitation of any offer to buy or sell any security, investment or other product.

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Fwd: "hobbyist" licenses?
by John Enger 07 May '03

07 May '03

>Does NetApp have an official or unofficial "hobbyist" or "home user" >program, for people who want to play with older systems at home in a >non-production/non-profit environment, and cant afford a service contract? > >I've acquired a FA520 with four v2 SCSI disk shelves (full of 9G drives) and >a full spares kit. > >The unit came with a NFS license, but no CIFS - and I'd like to experiment >with CIFS on this unit without having to build a UNIX box and serve NFS via >SAMBA. > >I'm running OnTap 5.3.7. I've tried to obtain NetApp OnTap software for my F330, but with no luck. I ended up with a copy of a netapp simulator for linux... Not exactly why I purchased my NetApp system. I have had exellent service with both Sun, SGI, HP and Digital when it comes to lisencing for home use. But the NetApp system is not in any way linked to a software lisence as other systems are. Or vise versa actually.. So my filer is at ease in the basement as a way too large book-support. And I am still ignorant when it comes to NetApp's and Data OnTap software. Perhaps EMC Symmetrix is an easier path to walk with home use and lisencing? John Enger http://www.johnenger.com

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RE: "hobbyist" licenses?
by James Beal 07 May '03

07 May '03

I agree with John: I don't see a piracy issue here. We've got 50,000 systems out there already, and I don't see why home users would be more likely to try to steal something than the people who already have access to those 50,000 systems. Plus we've got the Data ONTAP simulator which we are letting lots of folks have. I would like to support any move in this direction, I would also be interested in knowing what the correct path is for getting access to the ONTAP simulator is.

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07 May '03

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kindly get back to me
by rita savimbi 07 May '03

07 May '03

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RE: "hobbyist" licenses?
by Alan McLachlan 07 May '03

07 May '03

This thread highlights the whole issue with how NetApp licensing is managed. The licence is perpetual, as long as the box doesn't change hands. This seems very inconsistent. If a software licence is limited-term (like MS 6.0 per-year licencing) then it makes sense for it to be not transferable. If however the basic license is perpetual and only associated with that physical hardware, then it should be transferable. NetApp's half-way approach is inconsistent and very confusing for the aftermarket - it means that there is most likely now a fair number of 2nd hand NetApp boxes out there running on their original license codes that are now running illegally according to the terms of the licence agreement. If NetApp were to keep the base licences hardware bound (ownership of the license transfers with the system serial number), they would probably see a small secondary revenue stream from a proportion of 2nd hand owners taking up support contracts - for non end-of-support systems only of course. Instead they want a second bite at the big cherry by forcing 2nd hand owners to pay for a whole new licence, which apart from being morally dubious means that in reality they get nothing because someone who paid $2500 for an old filer isn't going to pay $20K or more for licencing to just to run it legally. And if the system is past the end-of-software support date NetApp won't even sell you a license for a 2nd hand platform - in other words they want to turn all aged filers into boat anchors - not a very good way to promote the value of the system. If I buy a Mac OS server, run it for three years then sell the server to a friend, my friend now has the perpetual Mac OS license that came with that server. Apple has kept their MacOS licensing hardware bound mainly for historical reasons, but it does save a lot of confusion and concern in the second hand market. (let's not even begin to discuss the complete mess that is MS OS licencing...) All this would be meaningless if it weren't for the fact that unlike regular servers, NetApp filers are often useful way beyond their expected official life span. Even an aged "low-end" F720 blows away any current Wintel platform as a plain CIFS server. And likewise you need a pretty high-spec current Unix platform to beat it for NFS. And of course the Unix box won't give you anything like the data protection features provided by the filer. **** ASI Solutions Disclaimer **** The material transmitted may contain confidential and/or privileged material and is intended only for the addressee. If you receive this in error, please notify the sender and destroy any copies of the material immediately. ASI will protect your Privacy according to the 10 Privacy Principles outlined under the new Privacy Act, Dec 2001. This email is also subject to copyright. Any use of or reliance upon this material by persons or entities other than the addressee is prohibited. E-mails may be interfered with, may contain computer viruses or other defects. Under no circumstances do we accept liability for any loss or damage which may result from your receipt of this message or any attachments. **** END OF MESSAGE ****

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Disk Scrub Errors
by Steve Evans 06 May '03

06 May '03

I keep getting disk scrub errors every week for the past month or so. How many errors are considered acceptable? I'm getting about two bad sectors a week, but they are spread across two (maybe three I would have to go back and check) disks. Steve Evans SDSU Foundation (619) 594-0653

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