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F330 fun
by Daniel Mayfield 20 Jun '03

20 Jun '03

So a friend of mine gave me an f330 and four DEC BA350 shelves. The f330 needs nvram batteries (and more nvram simms if anybody wants to get rid of some, but that can wait. It has four simms) but now the challenge is to give this thing as much storage as possible. Because of the BA350s I'm limited to 1" disks (1.6" don't fit well in the cans). I'm wondering what the biggest disks I can buy are? I've got four narrow scsi channels so I'm assuming I can get 28 disks attached to this thing. 28*36 is ~1tb raw capacity (I figure 700-800GB usable?) The question is, can I put 36 gig disks on an F330? If so which ones? If not, then which 18s work, which 9s? This is for a home network, mostly for archiving video projects and recorded TV shows so I'm not looking to buy disks direct from netapp, nor am I looking for support for the filer. I'm assuming that when (hopefully not "if") something comes of Bill's hobbiest program that I'll be able to get OS media and licenses from that. I guess this goes along with the "how far past spec can you push a toaster" ideas that have floated past recently. daniel

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RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW
by Krause, Oliver 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Or boot a linux directly from CD and mount a rw partition (e.g. over NFS) which contains the simulator files ... http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html ok -----Original Message----- From: Bokkelkamp Ernst [mailto:ernst.bokkelkamp@siemens.com] Sent: Donnerstag, 19. Juni 2003 19:21 To: Merkin, David S; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW Yes, However, you will need a VMWare extension to Windows XP. To be honest, if you have a spare outdated computer standing around then it is easy to install linux and then to run the simulator on it. You do not need much linux knowledge to get it to work, even if you have never installed linux it should only take a few hours to learn how to install a mininal system that is sufficient for the simulator. This week I installed SuSE 8.0 Profession with minimal system on a Pentium 90 with 48 MB RAM and a 800MB IDE harddisk to be able to run the simulator. This machine is a bit low on memory, but I decided to try it before adding a bit more RAM. But the simulator runs, although with a lot of disk activity due to paging. It might be old and slow, but it is sufficient for me if I want to check something and I believe that it will work good enough if I find some RAM in my junkbox. I also installed a minimal linux on an old AMD K6-2 333Mhz with 128MB and 6 GB Harddisk. This system runs the simulator perfectly without any complaints. The interesting part is that I also installed a minimal linux on a machine with an AMD Duron 1300, 256MB and a fast 40GB harddisk but the performance jump from the AMD K6-2 isn't that noticable. Actually this machine was the most difficult to install due to a problem with the mainboard under linux. If you would like to give it a try then I suggest you join the simulator mailing list where I can help you to get linux to work, but please note: I don't know much about linux, my specialisation is Windows 2000. Bye Ernst -----Original Message----- From: Merkin, David S [mailto:david.merkin@gs.com] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:26 PM To: 'Dave Hitz'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW Does this work on different OS's other than Linux? Can the Simulater be installed on XP? Thanks, David -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hitz [mailto:hitz@netapp.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:29 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW Some of you may know that NetApp Engineering uses an ONTAP Simulator as part of our development process. (The simulator runs all of ONTAP as a process under Linux. At a very low level, we spoof the disk drivers, so that disks are simulated by local files. We spoof the network drivers by putting the Linux Ethernet card into promiscuous mode and creating a fake MAC address associated with the simulator.) Enough technical details. The point of this message is that we are now making the simulator available to customers so that they can experiment with ONTAP features and commands without putting production systems at risk. I have had many customers tell me that they wished they had a way to play with new releases and new features, but they didn't have a safe place to do it. Just to be clear: This is not production software. It's ONTAP running on top of Linux, so don't use it for performance testing. We have no formal support program. Don't call NetApp support. This is an "as is" tool. (Some restrictions may apply. :-) On the other hand, I think you will find the simulator to be very useful for experimenting with ONTAP. Hundreds of NetApp engineers use it every day, and we have been using the simulator for over a year in NetApp training classes. Not only can you experiment with the features of a single filer, but you can run multiple simulators and experiment with features like SnapMirror, SnapVault, and Cluster Fail Over. It doesn't support Fibre Channel, because that would take more hardware, but it does support iSCSI and all of the other TCP/IP protocols, including NFS, CIFS, HTTP and FTP, as well as network management protocols like SNMP and NDMP. Here are some details: You can download the simulator from NOW at <http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/simulator>. We have created a category in the NOW community forums called "ONTAP Simulator" that can be accessed at <http://forums.netapp.com/showcategory.asp?cid=172>. And finally, we have created a majordomo mailing list that people can join at xdl-simulator(a)netapp.com. (You know the drill. To join send to majordomo(a)netapp.com, not to the simulator list itself.) And of course, feel free to talk about it here on toasters. As I said above, the simulator is NOT formally supported, but some volunteers at NetApp have agreed to informally answer questions to the xdl-simulator mailing list. Have fun! Dave Hitz Founder and EVP Engineering, Network Appliance

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RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW
by Simeone, David 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

I also love simulator, but I like keeping it simple. (What can I say, I work at NetApp!) Hence, my simplified versions of wrapper scripts, in the target directory: runsim script (run simulator)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> stty intr ^X ./maytag.L -qfD stty intr ^C runflop script (run floppy boot) stty intr ^X ./maytag.L -qD stty intr ^C Dave Simeone STAR Partner Consulting SE NetApp Certified Professional Network Appliance - The evolution of storage.(tm) 425 Martingale Road Suite 1300 Schaumburg, IL 60173 847-655-2145 Office/Pager 815-351-5052 Cellular http://www.netapp.com <http://www.netapp.com/> (visitors) http://now.netapp.com <http://now.netapp.com/> (customers) Spotlight Presentations (partners) http://now.netapp.com/NOW/reseller/spotlights/ FAS900 Series Wins eWeek Excellence Award http://www.netapp.com/news/press/2003/news_rel_20030407a.html R100 Named Product of the Year by Network Magazine http://www.netapp.com/news/press/2003/news_rel_20030421.html -----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bentebba [mailto:stephane.bentebba@fps.fr] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:04 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW i love simulator if you interested in , i wrote a script to lauch the simulator main features : - retreive the executable from anywhere you are (you have to put the script in the path) - generate a log (in the current dir) if you wish it throught an interactive question - avoid Ctrl-C to be intercepted by the shell (replaced by Crtrl-A as explain in the paper) - let you specify additionnal arguments as the original command maytag.L supports --- warning : several text in french but hopfully w/out accent the script : << #! /bin/bash # author : me me me # version : final alfa release echo "-- wrapper maytag.L" old_stty=$(stty -g) stty -icanon time 1 min 0 -echo letest="" echo -n "** generer le log lasimontap.log ? [oy/N] " while [ -z "$letest" ]; do read letest done MYLOG="" if ([ "$letest" = "o" ] || [ "$letest" = "y" ]); then echo $letest echo -e "-- log sauve dans $PWD/lasimontap.log (mode append)\n" echo -e "\n** lasimontap.log du `date`\n" >> $PWD/lasimontap.log MYLOG="| tee $PWD/lasimontap.log" else echo $letest echo -e "-- log non sauve\n" fi stty $old_stty old_stty=$(stty -g) stty intr ^a cd /mnt/nac/home/Netapp/Simulator/sim echo -e "** execution de /mnt/nac/home/Netapp/Simulator/sim/maytag.L -qf $@\n" eval "/mnt/nac/home/Netapp/Simulator/sim/maytag.L -qf $@ $MYLOG" stty $old_stty trap "stty $old_stty" KILL QUIT EXIT >> WARNING : this only work on linux (for linux, you could perhaps try to install cygwin and see if simulator works on it) enjoy Dave Hitz wrote: On Jun 19, Merkin, David S wrote: Does this work on different OS's other than Linux? Can the Simulater be installed on XP? For now: Linux. Dave -- -- jetez un oeil ici http://www.sensiva.com/ -- -- have a look here http://www.sensiva.com/ --

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RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW
by Bokkelkamp Ernst 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Yes, However, you will need a VMWare extension to Windows XP. To be honest, if you have a spare outdated computer standing around then it is easy to install linux and then to run the simulator on it. You do not need much linux knowledge to get it to work, even if you have never installed linux it should only take a few hours to learn how to install a mininal system that is sufficient for the simulator. This week I installed SuSE 8.0 Profession with minimal system on a Pentium 90 with 48 MB RAM and a 800MB IDE harddisk to be able to run the simulator. This machine is a bit low on memory, but I decided to try it before adding a bit more RAM. But the simulator runs, although with a lot of disk activity due to paging. It might be old and slow, but it is sufficient for me if I want to check something and I believe that it will work good enough if I find some RAM in my junkbox. I also installed a minimal linux on an old AMD K6-2 333Mhz with 128MB and 6 GB Harddisk. This system runs the simulator perfectly without any complaints. The interesting part is that I also installed a minimal linux on a machine with an AMD Duron 1300, 256MB and a fast 40GB harddisk but the performance jump from the AMD K6-2 isn't that noticable. Actually this machine was the most difficult to install due to a problem with the mainboard under linux. If you would like to give it a try then I suggest you join the simulator mailing list where I can help you to get linux to work, but please note: I don't know much about linux, my specialisation is Windows 2000. Bye Ernst -----Original Message----- From: Merkin, David S [mailto:david.merkin@gs.com] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:26 PM To: 'Dave Hitz'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW Does this work on different OS's other than Linux? Can the Simulater be installed on XP? Thanks, David -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hitz [mailto:hitz@netapp.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:29 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW Some of you may know that NetApp Engineering uses an ONTAP Simulator as part of our development process. (The simulator runs all of ONTAP as a process under Linux. At a very low level, we spoof the disk drivers, so that disks are simulated by local files. We spoof the network drivers by putting the Linux Ethernet card into promiscuous mode and creating a fake MAC address associated with the simulator.) Enough technical details. The point of this message is that we are now making the simulator available to customers so that they can experiment with ONTAP features and commands without putting production systems at risk. I have had many customers tell me that they wished they had a way to play with new releases and new features, but they didn't have a safe place to do it. Just to be clear: This is not production software. It's ONTAP running on top of Linux, so don't use it for performance testing. We have no formal support program. Don't call NetApp support. This is an "as is" tool. (Some restrictions may apply. :-) On the other hand, I think you will find the simulator to be very useful for experimenting with ONTAP. Hundreds of NetApp engineers use it every day, and we have been using the simulator for over a year in NetApp training classes. Not only can you experiment with the features of a single filer, but you can run multiple simulators and experiment with features like SnapMirror, SnapVault, and Cluster Fail Over. It doesn't support Fibre Channel, because that would take more hardware, but it does support iSCSI and all of the other TCP/IP protocols, including NFS, CIFS, HTTP and FTP, as well as network management protocols like SNMP and NDMP. Here are some details: You can download the simulator from NOW at <http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/simulator>. We have created a category in the NOW community forums called "ONTAP Simulator" that can be accessed at <http://forums.netapp.com/showcategory.asp?cid=172>. And finally, we have created a majordomo mailing list that people can join at xdl-simulator(a)netapp.com. (You know the drill. To join send to majordomo(a)netapp.com, not to the simulator list itself.) And of course, feel free to talk about it here on toasters. As I said above, the simulator is NOT formally supported, but some volunteers at NetApp have agreed to informally answer questions to the xdl-simulator mailing list. Have fun! Dave Hitz Founder and EVP Engineering, Network Appliance

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Re: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Dave: An even better way for users to play with ONTAP is, of course, to use a "real McCoy" version of ONTAP running on an old NetApp filer head and FC shelf. If solely for the purpose of "experimentation" in the support of a production system, would NetApp be hung up on licensing issues? Thanks. Regards, Scott Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 email: scott(a)unioncomputer.com phone: 952 935 7282 | fax: 952 935 5056 "Helping our customers make each dollar go further -- since 1991!" www.unioncomputer.com <<.....The point of this message is that we are now making the simulator available to customers so that they can experiment with ONTAP features and commands without putting production systems at risk. I have had many customers tell me that they wished they had a way to play with new releases and new features, but they didn't have a safe place to do it.....>> > Subj:ONTAP Simulator available on NOW > Date:6/18/2003 9:02:24 PM Central Daylight Time > From:<A HREF="mailto:hitz@netapp.com">hitz(a)netapp.com</A> > To:<A HREF="mailto:toasters@mathworks.com">toasters(a)mathworks.com</A> > Sent from the Internet > > > > Some of you may know that NetApp Engineering uses an ONTAP Simulator as > part of our development process. (The simulator runs all of ONTAP as a > process under Linux. At a very low level, we spoof the disk drivers, so > that disks are simulated by local files. We spoof the network drivers > by putting the Linux Ethernet card into promiscuous mode and creating a > fake MAC address associated with the simulator.) > > Enough technical details. > > The point of this message is that we are now making the simulator > available to customers so that they can experiment with ONTAP features > and commands without putting production systems at risk. I have had > many customers tell me that they wished they had a way to play with new > releases and new features, but they didn't have a safe place to do it. > > Just to be clear: This is not production software. It's ONTAP running > on top of Linux, so don't use it for performance testing. We have no > formal support program. Don't call NetApp support. This is an "as is" > tool. (Some restrictions may apply. :-) > > On the other hand, I think you will find the simulator to be very > useful for experimenting with ONTAP. Hundreds of NetApp engineers use > it every day, and we have been using the simulator for over a year in > NetApp training classes. Not only can you experiment with the features > of a single filer, but you can run multiple simulators and experiment > with features like SnapMirror, SnapVault, and Cluster Fail Over. It > doesn't support Fibre Channel, because that would take more hardware, > but it does support iSCSI and all of the other TCP/IP protocols, > including NFS, CIFS, HTTP and FTP, as well as network management > protocols like SNMP and NDMP. > > Here are some details: > > You can download the simulator from NOW at > <http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/simulator>. > > We have created a category in the NOW community forums called > "ONTAP Simulator" that can be accessed at > <http://forums.netapp.com/showcategory.asp?cid=172>. > > And finally, we have created a majordomo mailing list that people > can join at xdl-simulator(a)netapp.com. (You know the drill. To > join send to majordomo(a)netapp.com, not to the simulator list > itself.) > > And of course, feel free to talk about it here on toasters. > > As I said above, the simulator is NOT formally supported, but some > volunteers at NetApp have agreed to informally answer questions to the > xdl-simulator mailing list. > > Have fun! > > Dave Hitz > Founder and EVP Engineering, Network Appliance >

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RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW
by Merkin, David S 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Does this work on different OS's other than Linux? Can the Simulater be installed on XP? Thanks, David -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hitz [mailto:hitz@netapp.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:29 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW Some of you may know that NetApp Engineering uses an ONTAP Simulator as part of our development process. (The simulator runs all of ONTAP as a process under Linux. At a very low level, we spoof the disk drivers, so that disks are simulated by local files. We spoof the network drivers by putting the Linux Ethernet card into promiscuous mode and creating a fake MAC address associated with the simulator.) Enough technical details. The point of this message is that we are now making the simulator available to customers so that they can experiment with ONTAP features and commands without putting production systems at risk. I have had many customers tell me that they wished they had a way to play with new releases and new features, but they didn't have a safe place to do it. Just to be clear: This is not production software. It's ONTAP running on top of Linux, so don't use it for performance testing. We have no formal support program. Don't call NetApp support. This is an "as is" tool. (Some restrictions may apply. :-) On the other hand, I think you will find the simulator to be very useful for experimenting with ONTAP. Hundreds of NetApp engineers use it every day, and we have been using the simulator for over a year in NetApp training classes. Not only can you experiment with the features of a single filer, but you can run multiple simulators and experiment with features like SnapMirror, SnapVault, and Cluster Fail Over. It doesn't support Fibre Channel, because that would take more hardware, but it does support iSCSI and all of the other TCP/IP protocols, including NFS, CIFS, HTTP and FTP, as well as network management protocols like SNMP and NDMP. Here are some details: You can download the simulator from NOW at <http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/simulator>. We have created a category in the NOW community forums called "ONTAP Simulator" that can be accessed at <http://forums.netapp.com/showcategory.asp?cid=172>. And finally, we have created a majordomo mailing list that people can join at xdl-simulator(a)netapp.com. (You know the drill. To join send to majordomo(a)netapp.com, not to the simulator list itself.) And of course, feel free to talk about it here on toasters. As I said above, the simulator is NOT formally supported, but some volunteers at NetApp have agreed to informally answer questions to the xdl-simulator mailing list. Have fun! Dave Hitz Founder and EVP Engineering, Network Appliance

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RE: 144GB Fiber Channel drives in the field
by Art Hebert 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

What is the largest disks you can put in an FC9 shelf? I'd like to make the jump to 144gb drives from 36gb if possible. Thanks art -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Burton [mailto:burtonj@pprd.abbott.com] Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 7:47 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: 144GB Fiber Channel drives in the field Here are the results of the tests I ran to check the raid reconstruct speed of a node in an 880c with 72GB drives. The filer was not being used, so the only load was the reconstruct. This is just the base time to reconstruct. One can find a multiplier that can be used to determine the reconstruct speed with the avg load on their filers....although I don't know how easy that would be to find. RAID set size Elapsed (time to reconstruct) 2 29:43.70 (29 min, 43.70 sec) 3 39:59.72 4 51:58.87 5 1:04:17.90 6 1:16:40.76 7 1:29:39.19 8 1:43:01.75 9 1:56:02.55 10 2:09:19.00 11 2:22:39.12 As you can see the time to reconstruct appears to go up by about 11-14 minutes when adding an additional disk. More info on tests: cluster 880 all disks were on the same shelf: DS14 all disks were zero'ed before the reconstruct raid.reconstruct.perf_impact medium raid.resync.perf_impact medium procedure repeated for each raid size: -priv set diag -setflag raid_enable_prezeroing 1 after done all disks zero'ed -setflag raid_enable_prezeroing 0 -vol create vol1 -r 14 11 after volume is created -disk fail (parity disk in vol1) times taken -vol offline vol1 -vol destroy vol1 -disk unfail (disk failed) -- -------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Burton UNIX Administrator Dept. GB34/Bldg. AP9A-LL EMAIL: burtonj(a)pprd.abbott.com Abbott Laboratories PHONE: 847-935-5778 100 Abbott Park Rd. FAX: 847-935-0142 Abbott Park, IL 60064-6115 On Mon, Feb 03, 2003 at 06:52:31PM -0800, kallen(a)collab.net wrote: > hiya > > anyone using the 144GB drives? > > currently we have DS14s filled with 36GB drives. these are used in a > production environment, so of course we need maximum uptime. we're > considering getting more DS14s filled with either 72GB or 144GB drives. we > want the most bang for the buck, but i have concerns about the 144GB > drives. anyone out there have any experience with them? > > are the reconstruct times for a 144GB disk proportionally prohibitive when > compared to 72GB and 36GB drives? how long does it take to reconstruct a > failed 144GB drive on a hot spare compared to 72GB and 36GB disks, under > consistent filer workload and raid reconstruct speed? > > are there performance issues to consider if we were to go with 144GB > rather than 72GB? > > any other pros and cons? > > thanks in advance, > kallen >

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Microsoft iSCSI
by Holland, William L 18 Jun '03

18 Jun '03

Has anyone tried out MS's iSCSI implementation yet? I filled out their survey on http://www.betaplace.com but it provided no link to download so I guess I have to wait for them to mail it to me.

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RE: Need Serial Console Concentrator
by jeff.mery＠ni.com 17 Jun '03

17 Jun '03

We've started with Avocent CPS1601 (http://www.avocent.com/web/en.nsf/Content/CPS1610) and had no problems. All of our KVM is Avocent in our new building and it works very well with (and without) their authentication software. Jeff Mery, MCP National Instruments -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- "Allow me to extol the virtues of the Net Fairy, and of the fantastic dorks that make the nice packets go from here to there. Amen." TB (www.penny-arcade.com) -------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Net Backer Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 10:37 AM To: Bob Borowicz; toasters Subject: Re: Need Serial Console Concentrator We use Cyclades TS Series (http://www.cyclades.com/products/index.php?id=2) and a console software called Conserver ( http://www.conserver.com/) Works well for us. -G ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bob Borowicz" <rbaus(a)swbell.net> To: "toasters" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2003 5:11 AM Subject: Need Serial Console Concentrator > Well we were moving our new Sun 280R's into racks yestarday and one of > my Unix team guys went to plug in an *old* P120 Intel box to use as a > console device when the P/S went south hard. The spike tripped the main > breaker on an OLD OLD OLD PDU which the PC was plugged into. I'm still > wondering why the TWO smaller breakers (one on the Sun rack the PC was > using power from, and one on the PDU supplying the 30 Amp to the Sun > rack) in between didn't trip first. > > Know what else was on that PDU? The IBM Mainframe. After a 45 min IPL we > lost half a days work.... No the NetApp was on two separate house > circuits and stayed up. :-) > > I've been trying to get them to buy me a Console concentrator but I get > those blank stares... What is that and what does it do? Why can't you > use Telnet? Well I shall make a good case for a concentrator today... > > Can you all send me your vendor of choice for Concentrators again? I > know it came up here just a little while ago. I need to collect vendors > and hit them up for this while the issue is hot. > > Thanks > > Bob Borowicz > >

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Post error
by Jonathan 17 Jun '03

17 Jun '03

I use to remember a command that you can run to ignore post errors and boot from the OK prompt. I cant seem to find it today. Anyone willing to take a shot at it? Thanks

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