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RE: Upgrading Data OnTap
by George, Andrew 10 Mar '07

10 Mar '07

Oops...sorry..thats right...Shelf firmware isn't disruptive for FC shelves from what I've seen My Mistake (answering emails while I'm doing a filer move) _____ From: Leeds, Daniel [mailto:dleeds@edmunds.com] Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2007 11:10 AM To: George, Andrew; Nils Vogels; tmac Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Upgrading Data OnTap i think two things got merged in this one, i was responding to the guy asking about storage shelf download updates not individual disk updates. storage download shelf is non disruptive on FC loops but on SATA/ATA loops it is disruptive from my experience. -- Daniel Leeds Senior Systems Administrator Edmunds.com -----Original Message----- From: George, Andrew [mailto:georgea@anz.com] Sent: Fri 3/9/2007 4:08 PM To: Leeds, Daniel; Nils Vogels; tmac Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Upgrading Data OnTap Sorry...As I understand the documentation I've read I think disk firmware updates are always disruptive unless you don't do more that what parity allows (1 disk per RG in raid4 or 2 disks in raid_DP) or unless your on 7.(Forgot the version - 0 or 1)) or later and your upgrading firmware as part of a reboot (the background upgrade option) - I've been thinking of raising a case asking for an enhancement about that as I couldn't see a way to drop new firmware on a box and let the nondisruptive upgrade process spin down and spin up one disk at a time (which is what it does if it sees new firmware after a reboot) Happy to be proven I'm doing it wrong :) _____ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Leeds, Daniel Sent: Saturday, 10 March 2007 2:58 AM To: Nils Vogels; tmac Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Upgrading Data OnTap on the fibre channel drive shelves it updates the firmware on both the a/b loop. if you run the shelf firmware updater on one side of the cluster you do not need to do it on the other side. it is also non disruptive and does not interfere with data access. on the SATA shelves it is disruptive, the download command will tell you if it is disruptive or not before you proceed. -- Daniel Leeds Senior Systems Administrator Edmunds.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com on behalf of Nils Vogels Sent: Fri 3/9/2007 12:45 AM To: tmac Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Upgrading Data OnTap On 3/8/07, tmac <tmacmd(a)gmail.com> wrote: > Personally, I would: > > copy the 7.1.2_setup_x.exe file to the /etc/software directory on each filer. > > Then from the console of each filer: > > options raid.background_disk_fw_update.enable off > (turns off auto updating of disk firmware) > software install filename (the filename from above) > > While at it, get and extract the latest all.zip and all_fw.zip files > (disk and shelf FW) into the /etc dir on each filer. > > Optionally, with cluster still enabled, run > disk_fw_update > to update all disk firmware (lessens downtime at reboot) > usually only needed on one head. When complete, run on > other head to be sure. > storage download shelf > to update shelf firmware (lessens downtime at reboot) > usually only needed on one head. When complete, run on > other head to be sure. > options raid.background_disk_fw_update.enable on > (turns the auto updating of disk firmware back on) > I'm preparing to do a NDU 7.0 -> 7.1 and was wondering: When you do the storage download shelf on one head, will it update the firmware on both the A-loop and B-loop ? I would expect not, since one head is only connected to one loop in a plain cluster config. AFAIK, downloading shelf firmware takes a quiesce of a loop and a controller reboot, and my customer really would like to have a functional system during this NDU. Greets, Nils -- Simple guidelines to happiness: Work like you don't need the money, Love like your heart has never been broken and Dance like no one can see you. 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Upgrading Data OnTap
by Brent Ellis 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

I would like to upgrade my filer from data ontap 7.1p1 to 7.1.2 and I just want to make sure I am doing it write. I plan on doing the following: 1. disable the cluster 2. mount the c$ share as a drive 3. run the 7.1.2 installer 4. reboot 5. repeat with the other cluster partner 6. enable the cluster. Does that sound right? It seems a little to easy to me Brent Ellis Computing Services Group Boston University 617-358-2486 interi(a)bu.edu cashelp(a)bu.edu

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mounting snapshots
by Steven Mandrake 09 Mar '07

09 Mar '07

Hello, I am having the hardest time understanding fractional space reservations for volumes and lun space reservations. If I reduce fractional space reservations to a volume that contain luns, what happens to lun space reservations? Is there a way to throttle lun space reservations -- as far as I can tell it's just a check box in Filerview.... The main question I have is --- does setting fractional space reservation affect my ability to mount snapshots. I assume that mounting snapshots does not take any space since it's all read-only.... or am i wrong in assuming this? My assumption right now is that fractional space reserve is there if I ever need to mount a snapshot to be read/write --- am I dead wrong? Thanks, Steve

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Re: autosupport stops functioning
by Davies,Matt 08 Mar '07

08 Mar '07

We had to reboot the filer after deleting the queued autosupports. Not a great solution, but it worked. Cheers Matt -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com <owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com> To: Leeds, Daniel <dleeds(a)edmunds.com> CC: toasters(a)mathworks.com <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Thu Mar 08 18:58:34 2007 Subject: Re: autosupport stops functioning Hi there, Did you get a resolution to your problem? Looks like we got hit by the same bug. One of our filer (running 7.0.2) suddenly stopped working. Its partner works fine. One thing I noticed is this: On the filer where it stopped working: options autosupport.doit autosupport.doit WEEKLY_LOG On other filers where it works: options autosupport.doit autosupport.doit DONT Even if I change it to DONT, it doesn't seem to stick. Anyways I too have opened a case with Support to see what they advise. -G On 2/27/07, Leeds, Daniel <dleeds(a)edmunds.com> wrote: > > > > > fyi, > > netapp support is advising us to perform a software install of the same > release but without doing a download or reboot. ill post back the results > once i get clearance to muck with a production filer :) > > > -- > Daniel Leeds > Senior Systems Administrator > Edmunds.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com on behalf of Leeds, Daniel > Sent: Tue 2/27/2007 6:32 AM > To: Kießl Walter; Oliver Bassett; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: RE: autosupport stops functioning > > > it sounds like we have the same problem and i too cannot reboot this filer > because it houses at least 8 production oracle databases :( > > -- > Daniel Leeds > Senior Systems Administrator > Edmunds.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kießl Walter [mailto:kiessl@heidenhain.de] > Sent: Mon 2/26/2007 11:45 PM > To: Leeds, Daniel; Oliver Bassett; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: AW: autosupport stops functioning > > Hi Daniel, > > I have the same problem with DOT 7.2.1. To me it seems that the autosupport > process has gone stuck. NetApp has no idea what the cause could be. They > asked me to reboot the filer, but as it is a productional database storage > provider I'm not able to boot it yet. > > Have you tried to boot the filer? Anything changed after rebooting? > > Regards > Walter > > ________________________________ > > Von: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com > [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] Im Auftrag von Leeds, > Daniel > Gesendet: Dienstag, 27. Februar 2007 05:41 > An: Oliver Bassett; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Betreff: RE: autosupport stops functioning > > > > we are actually past 7.1.x on this filer > > > -- > Daniel Leeds > Senior Systems Administrator > Edmunds.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Oliver Bassett > [mailto:Oliver.Bassett@infinity.co.nz] > Sent: Mon 2/26/2007 7:36 PM > To: Leeds, Daniel; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: RE: autosupport stops functioning > > Did this start happening after an upgrade to ONTAP 7.0.5? > > > > They added throttling functionality to the autosupport options. > > > > Thanks > > > > Oliver Bassett > Senior Systems Engineer > > Infinity Solutions Ltd > P O Box 3323, Auckland > Ph: +64 9 921 8123, Mob: +64 21 574 994 > Fax: +64 9 309 4142 > www.infinitysolutions.co.nz > <http://www.infinitysolutions.co.nz> > > > > From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com > [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] > On Behalf Of Leeds, Daniel > Sent: Tuesday, 27 February 2007 3:37 p.m. > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: autosupport stops functioning > > > > > > anyone else have this happen? > > suddenly one of our filers stops generating autosupport messages. both > autosupport.enable and autosupport.support.enable are on. if i generate > a test email with the autosupport.doit option nothing happens. not even > a failed message, the console just sits there as if i never generated > one. > > needless to say neither netapp or our email server gets anything from > this filer and nothing hits the console about generating any autosupport > emails. > > > The information contained in this email is privileged and confidential and > intended for the addressee only. If you are not the intended recipient, you > are asked to respect that confidentiality and not disclose, copy or make > use > of its contents. If received in error you are asked to destroy this email > and contact the sender immediately. Your assistance is appreciated. > > > > > > _____________________________________________________________ This e-mail (including all attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the addressee only. If you are not the addressee, you are hereby notified that any dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please erase all copies of the message and its attachments and notify us immediately at help(a)generalatlantic.com <mailto:help@generalatlantic.com>. Thank You.

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Dirty Parity
by Carl Howell 08 Mar '07

08 Mar '07

*This is my second attempt to send this to the list. If it shows up twice, I apologize. We had a situation last year in which one of the aggregates on our R100 suffered dirty parity in one of its raid groups which forced us to take the filer down for several hours while we ran WAFL_Check on that aggregate. Given this, I have a few questions: 1. What is the likelihood of getting dirty parity? I assume the likelihood goes up dramatically on a box like the R100 given that the weekly RAID scrubs seldom if ever complete. 2. If this had occurred on a cluster, could we take one node down to run the WAFL_Check, while the other node continues to serve data from the other aggregates? 3. How many of you have encountered something like this and decided to go with SyncMirror to protect against such a thing? Thanks, --Carl

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RE: usermap problem
by Glenn Walker 07 Mar '07

07 Mar '07

No one is stating that you cannot map users with LDAP - however, if the user names are not alike between unix and windows is the key. Reading the ONTAP documentation, you must specify the windowsaccount attribute and the unixaccount attribute. So long as these attributes match, then you should map - if they do not match, then there is no way to map. To enable LDAP-based user-mapping, complete the following steps. 1 From the Data ONTAP command line, specify a value for the option ldap.usermap.attribute.windowsaccount. options ldap.usermap.attribute.windowsaccount account_name account_name is the user object attribute Data ONTAP will use for Windows account lookups. 2 Extend your LDAP schema to include the user object attribute you entered in Step 1. 3 From the Data ONTAP command line, specify a value for the option ldap.usermap.attribute.unixaccount. options ldap.usermap.attribute.unixaccount account_name account_name is the user object attribute Data ONTAP will use for UNIX account lookups. 4 Extend your LDAP schema to include the values you entered in Step 2 and Step 3. 5 Enter the following command: options ldap.usermap.enable on If you have a significant load on your LDAP server, you might want to improve performance by setting a separate search base or search base and scope for user-mapping, as described in the following section. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Åke Beckman Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 4:50 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: usermap problem It IS possible, as Tom states, to do the usermapping through ldap, it's been around for quite some time.. Check options cifs.trace_dc_connection to see if the connection to the ldap server is working. (Don't know if this is valid only for AD ldap services...?) Maybe the password for ldap access got screwed up after the upgrade? options ldap.name user_name options ldap.passwd password I couldn't find any open bugs for ldap on 7.2.1.1 Regards / Åke ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Walker Sent: den 1 mars 2007 14:47 To: Langborg Tom; Parisi, Justin; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: usermap problem For like usernames, it will work. You stated that the usernames that were not alike did not function, but the like user names did. How exactly is the filer going to map two users with unlike names together without usermap.cfg? Are you sure that the users aren't mapping to 'pcuser'? wcc -s <username> would show for sure. Glenn ________________________________ From: Langborg Tom [mailto:Tom.Langborg@smhi.se] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:44 AM To: Glenn Walker; Parisi, Justin; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: SV: usermap problem No I have two other netapp's with 7.0.4, which is working. No usermap.cfg is needed. /tom ________________________________ Från: Glenn Walker [mailto:ggwalker@mindspring.com] Skickat: den 1 mars 2007 13:13 Till: Langborg Tom; Parisi, Justin; toasters(a)mathworks.com Ämne: RE: usermap problem If the unix names and windows names are not the same, you must always use usermap.cfg file. This has not changed since around ONTAP 5.2 to my knowledge. Glenn ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Langborg Tom Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:55 AM To: Parisi, Justin; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: SV: usermap problem Yes I use usermap.cfg now But the old version could I use the ldap.usermap config. I don't want to manage a usermap.cfg when I have all information in ldap. I didn't need that in the Ontap 7.0.4. Regards tom ________________________________ Från: Parisi, Justin [mailto:Justin.Parisi@netapp.com] Skickat: den 28 februari 2007 20:33 Till: Langborg Tom; toasters(a)mathworks.com Ämne: RE: usermap problem You need to do your user mapping through the /etc/usermap.cfg file on the filer. http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/olio/guides/ontap_troubleshooting/… ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Langborg Tom Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:07 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: usermap problem Watch out. I got usermap problem after uppgrade to 7.2.1.1. I use ldap.usermap for usermapping. The unix name are not the same as windows name. With unix name same as windows name it still works. If there are someone who now any fix for this problem, Please send me a letter. Regards tom

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RE: usermap problem
by Åke Beckman 06 Mar '07

06 Mar '07

It IS possible, as Tom states, to do the usermapping through ldap, it's been around for quite some time.. Check options cifs.trace_dc_connection to see if the connection to the ldap server is working. (Don't know if this is valid only for AD ldap services...?) Maybe the password for ldap access got screwed up after the upgrade? options ldap.name user_name options ldap.passwd password I couldn't find any open bugs for ldap on 7.2.1.1 Regards / Åke ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Glenn Walker Sent: den 1 mars 2007 14:47 To: Langborg Tom; Parisi, Justin; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: usermap problem For like usernames, it will work. You stated that the usernames that were not alike did not function, but the like user names did. How exactly is the filer going to map two users with unlike names together without usermap.cfg? Are you sure that the users aren't mapping to 'pcuser'? wcc -s <username> would show for sure. Glenn ________________________________ From: Langborg Tom [mailto:Tom.Langborg@smhi.se] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 7:44 AM To: Glenn Walker; Parisi, Justin; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: SV: usermap problem No I have two other netapp's with 7.0.4, which is working. No usermap.cfg is needed. /tom ________________________________ Från: Glenn Walker [mailto:ggwalker@mindspring.com] Skickat: den 1 mars 2007 13:13 Till: Langborg Tom; Parisi, Justin; toasters(a)mathworks.com Ämne: RE: usermap problem If the unix names and windows names are not the same, you must always use usermap.cfg file. This has not changed since around ONTAP 5.2 to my knowledge. Glenn ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Langborg Tom Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2007 3:55 AM To: Parisi, Justin; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: SV: usermap problem Yes I use usermap.cfg now But the old version could I use the ldap.usermap config. I don't want to manage a usermap.cfg when I have all information in ldap. I didn't need that in the Ontap 7.0.4. Regards tom ________________________________ Från: Parisi, Justin [mailto:Justin.Parisi@netapp.com] Skickat: den 28 februari 2007 20:33 Till: Langborg Tom; toasters(a)mathworks.com Ämne: RE: usermap problem You need to do your user mapping through the /etc/usermap.cfg file on the filer. http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/olio/guides/ontap_troubleshooting/… ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Langborg Tom Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 10:07 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: usermap problem Watch out. I got usermap problem after uppgrade to 7.2.1.1. I use ldap.usermap for usermapping. The unix name are not the same as windows name. With unix name same as windows name it still works. If there are someone who now any fix for this problem, Please send me a letter. Regards tom

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RE: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate
by Ross, Alistair 02 Mar '07

02 Mar '07

Why not set up a volume snapmirror now for weekend work for migration? (i.e. vol_old to vol_new) We use this quite successfully - then when the migration is on you only have the update to do... Shut everything down - snapmirror update - quiesce and break. - Vol offline the old and vol rename the new... -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Borzenkov, Andrey Sent: 02 March 2007 10:30 To: Kießl Walter; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate Yes, it is set to 10. "man aggr" also mentions aggr.copy.throttle but this one does not exit. -----Original Message----- From: Kießl Walter [mailto:kiessl@heidenhain.de] Sent: Friday, March 02, 2007 1:28 PM To: Borzenkov, Andrey; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: AW: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate Have you checked the "option vol.copy.throttle" ? It should show be set to 10 for full volcopy speed. -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] Im Auftrag von Borzenkov, Andrey Gesendet: Freitag, 2. März 2007 10:53 An: toasters(a)mathworks.com Betreff: vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate Wichtigkeit: Hoch Hi, This is relatively urgent. We are facing the following problem. We need to move data on FAS270C (appr. 2TB) onto another set of disks. There is a single aggregate that contains root volume and one or two (on two heads respectively) large volumes with single LUN on each. All volumes except root are 100% full. DOT 7.0.3. Disks are 146GB 10K, RAID_DP, 14 disks on each head (average). Target set is 300GB 10K, RAID_DP, 11 disks on each head. I tested (under normal conditions) vol copy from root volume onto root volume copy. It tool 3 and half minutes for 440MB! It is absolutely unacceptable, we cannot afford this downtime. No the questions are - How are chances that without client load vol copy will be faster? What can explain that miserable performance for relatively small data set? - Which speed can be expected under these conditions? Normal on-tape (non NDMP) backup from client systems - Windows only, SAN attach - runs approximately 20MB/s which are still acceptable. - will aggr copy be faster and how much? If yes - how can I then switch root aggregate? To clarify - first I restrict target aggregate and make aggr copy. Then I put target aggregate online and get duplicate volumes, do not I? I _hope_ that filer will rename them, anyone can confirm? - any chance updating to 7.0.5 *before* copy will help? Thank you and I appreciate your answers. 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Maximum number of groups per user
by Francois Joubert 02 Mar '07

02 Mar '07

Hi I am new to the list. I have been trying to get a definitive statement from NetApp about the maximum number of groups a user can belong to if we rely on the /etc/group and /etc/passwd files on the filer. The setup we have tested has CIFS clients (Windows2000) with the filer part of a workgroup. We rely on unix group permissions for access to data directories. We are not using any NFS, NIS, LDAP or NT domain - all local authentication etc. I have done some testing and it appears the limit is 32 (not a surprising number) but have not been able to get this confirmed. Has anyone tried/done this before? We are migrating from samba servers running on FreeBSD with modified kernels which allow users to be in thousands of groups (don't laugh; I don't want to go into the reasons) because this facilitates our companies working practices. Thanks Francois

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vol copy speed and copying over root aggregate
by Borzenkov, Andrey 02 Mar '07

02 Mar '07

Hi, This is relatively urgent. We are facing the following problem. We need to move data on FAS270C (appr. 2TB) onto another set of disks. There is a single aggregate that contains root volume and one or two (on two heads respectively) large volumes with single LUN on each. All volumes except root are 100% full. DOT 7.0.3. Disks are 146GB 10K, RAID_DP, 14 disks on each head (average). Target set is 300GB 10K, RAID_DP, 11 disks on each head. I tested (under normal conditions) vol copy from root volume onto root volume copy. It tool 3 and half minutes for 440MB! It is absolutely unacceptable, we cannot afford this downtime. No the questions are - How are chances that without client load vol copy will be faster? What can explain that miserable performance for relatively small data set? - Which speed can be expected under these conditions? Normal on-tape (non NDMP) backup from client systems - Windows only, SAN attach - runs approximately 20MB/s which are still acceptable. - will aggr copy be faster and how much? If yes - how can I then switch root aggregate? To clarify - first I restrict target aggregate and make aggr copy. Then I put target aggregate online and get duplicate volumes, do not I? I _hope_ that filer will rename them, anyone can confirm? - any chance updating to 7.0.5 *before* copy will help? Thank you and I appreciate your answers. The downtime is scheduled for this weekend; it would quite a big problem with 2MB/s performance :( Regards Andrey Borzenkov Senior system engineer IT Product Services Fujitsu Siemens Computers Russian Federation Telephone: +7 (495) 730-6220 ext. 247 Telefax: +7 (495) 229 91 30 Mobile: +7 (916) 678-7208 Email: mailto:Andrey.Borzenkov@fujitsu-siemens.com Internet: http://www.fujitsu-siemens.ru/

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