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Re: Uses for an old Storageshelf 1?
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 11 Sep '99

11 Sep '99

On 09/10/99 10:09:21 you wrote: >We have a mix of old Ss1s with some Ss2s on a F520 and -- in the >neverending quest for more diskspace -- we may need to replace the Ss1 >with something that holds more. Could a retired Ss1 be hooked up to, say, >a linux box with any old SCSI adapter? Not necessarily doing RAID, just >as a series of 4gb disks. Anyone recycled an old Ss1 in that fashion? Yes. Each disk will appear with a different SCSI ID. Bruce

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local vs. network backup for F740's
by Vance Huntley 10 Sep '99

10 Sep '99

Hi all. We have several F740's with about 400GB each, and we are reexcamining our backup strategy. I would prefer a centralized, network backup over a dedicated backup network. We've heard rumours that the only reasonable way to backup filers is using a locally attached DLT drive, and that we must buy an expensive ($700) NetApp SCSI controller card before we attempt to do a local backup. Does this make sense to you all? What is the conventional wisdom on the ideal way to backup multiple filers? Vance

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attaching a 7-tape stacker
by Dave Toal 10 Sep '99

10 Sep '99

Folks, Hey, all. Another question from the peanut gallery: I recently attached a Sun DLT 4700 (7-tape stacker, one dlt) to a netapp F330. The netapp appears to've recognized the dlt. troi-netapp-fddi> sysconfig -t Tape drive (9b.4) Digital DLT4700 rst0l - rewind device, format is: 42500 bpi 2.6GB nrst0l - no rewind device, format is: 42500 bpi 2.6GB ... I'm trying to set up the tape changer as a Veritas NetBackup storage device, which involves determining what the netapp believes is the robotic device name, controller number, and scsi id of the attached changer. The command syntax is set_ndmp_attr -robot <ndmp server> <robotic device name> <robot controller number> <scsi id of robotic control> <lun of robotic control>. The example given is "set_ndmp_attr -robot toaster spt0 2 3 0". The manual then goes on to say: ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Note: The NetApp file server currently provides no method for determining robotic information. You will have to reference the vendor manuals, check the physical configuration (jumpers and so on), and try different combinations with the set_ndmp_attr command in order to determine the correct information. After each try with the set_ndmp_attr command, use tsdtest and tldtest to check communication with the robot. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Is this true? Is spt0 a valid netapp robotic device name? Dave troi-netapp-fddi> sysconfig NetApp Release 5.2.1: Thu Dec 31 12:11:38 PST 1998 System ID: 0016782535 (troi-netapp-fddi) slot 0: System Board Memory Size: 192 MB slot 0: SCSI Host Adapter 0 7 Disks: 28.0GB In-Band Enclosure Services slot 0: Ethernet Controller e0 MAC Address: 00:a0:98:00:05:65 (tp-up) slot 2: FDDI Network Adapter f2 MAC Address: 00:00:f8:60:09:c1 (Fiber) slot 4: Dual SCSI Host Adapter SCSI Host Adapter 4a 7 Disks: 28.0GB In-Band Enclosure Services SCSI Host Adapter 4b 7 Disks: 28.0GB In-Band Enclosure Services slot 6: NVRAM Memory Size: 4 MB slot 9: Dual SCSI Host Adapter SCSI Host Adapter 9a 7 Disks: 28.0GB In-Band Enclosure Services SCSI Host Adapter 9b 1 Tape: DLT4700 In-Band Enclosure Services troi-netapp-fddi>

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F330 & ONTAP versions
by Jay Orr 09 Sep '99

09 Sep '99

I was talking with a tech today fixing problems I experienced upgrading our F330 from 4.2a to 5.3.2r1, and I asked if this was the last release for the F330's, since after February you can't purchase a software support for these filers. He said he hadn't heard about the end-of-support on the F330's, but mentioned that 5.4 is scheduled for Feb. My question is, will 5.4 be available for the F330's or is 5.3.2r1 the last release that'll work on the F330s ?? ----------- Fujitsu - Nexion, St. Louis, MO Jay Orr (314) 579-6517

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hooking up laptop to a filer
by leonard.galinsky＠philips.com 08 Sep '99

08 Sep '99

The information contained in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Hello people, I've just received a new F720 and a want to hookup a laptop with hyperterminal to the filer. Can anybody tell me how to configure the laptop/hypertermial to get it started? TIA, Jan & Leonard

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RE: hooking up laptop to a filer
by Sam Schorr 08 Sep '99

08 Sep '99

Confidentially (shush!!), setup is just like attaching a console (9600-N-8-1, no flow control). On penalty of something very evil, do not share this information with the toasters mail list - they'll probably misuse this crucial information (just joking around - the setup is pretty straight forward). -----Original Message----- From: leonard.galinsky(a)philips.com [mailto:leonard.galinsky@philips.com] Sent: Wednesday, September 08, 1999 7:36 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: hooking up laptop to a filer The information contained in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. Hello people, I've just received a new F720 and a want to hookup a laptop with hyperterminal to the filer. Can anybody tell me how to configure the laptop/hypertermial to get it started? TIA, Jan & Leonard

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Re: hooking up laptop to a filer
by Fred Ab 08 Sep '99

08 Sep '99

Oh my, I do not believe I'm the intended recipient for such confidential and high level information. I have destroyed all copies of the original message and wiped my hard drive as well as the mailservers hard drive clean. ===}The information contained in this message is confidential and may be legally privileged. The message is intended solely for the addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or reproduction is strictly prohibited and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender by return e-mail and destroy all copies of the original message. ===} ===}Hello people, ===} ===}I've just received a new F720 and a want to hookup a laptop with hyperterminal to the filer. ===}Can anybody tell me how to configure the laptop/hypertermial to get it started? ===} ===}TIA, ===} ===}Jan & Leonard

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Tedious booting from floppies
by Dave Atkin 08 Sep '99

08 Sep '99

Is there any way to do a maintenance style boot without actually using boot floppies? Maybe by copying the contents of the boot floppies onto a spare disk? The boot command appears to take an argument but I haven't figured out what it is. We just spent a whole day moving data from old F230s to new 740s and we ended up booting from floppies numerous times, partly due to the 740 crashing whenever we tried to put the old volume on line. Waiting for the floppies got very tedious, especially now that the OS has overflowed onto 2 disks. It might then be possible to run WACKY occasionally overnight by dialing in, without having to be physically present to change the floppy. Has Netapp thought of alternative boot methods such as TFTP or LS120 drives? Dave Atkin ------------------------------------------------------ Dave Atkin, Head of Technical Services Computing Service, University of York, YORK YO10 5DD Phone: +44-1904-433804 (ddi) Fax: +44-1904-433740 Email: D.Atkin(a)york.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------

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Differential DLT drives in the UK
by Dave Atkin 08 Sep '99

08 Sep '99

Can anyone recommend a source of these in the UK? Our supplier, having now sent us two different single-ended drives by mistake, is saying that the differential versions are only available on special order and it may take up to 12 weeks. Dave Atkin ------------------------------------------------------ Dave Atkin, Head of Technical Services Computing Service, University of York, YORK YO10 5DD Phone: +44-1904-433804 (ddi) Fax: +44-1904-433740 Email: D.Atkin(a)york.ac.uk ------------------------------------------------------

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Re: Parts source for end of life products?
by Doug Porter 08 Sep '99

08 Sep '99

"Shaun T. Erickson" wrote: > sirbruce(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: > > > > On 08/30/99 23:49:43 you wrote: > > >However, the price of RAM from NetApp was 3-5x the price (I forget exactly > > >how much) of the approved Kingston SIMM. So, we just purchased 16 SIMMs > > >from our Kingston supplier, saving significant amounts of cash, and we > > >kept the 4 excess SIMMS in our `hot spare' store. It works like a charm. > > > > A cautionary note - much of the supposedly "in-spec" memory Kingston > > or other vendors sell is not capable of handling the strict timing > > and loading requirements of a Netapp filer. The reason the SIMMs > > you get from Netapp cost more is because they are tested for proper > > tolerance and inoperability. If you decide to use another source, > > you should be prepared for the chance of crashes or spontaneous > > reboots and be prepared to go through several cycles of swapping > > various SIMMs in various combinations to figure out the problem. > > Then NetApp shouldn't certify them. If I buy memory NetApp approved > memory from Kingston (and I have), I expect it to perform as well as > NetApp supplied memory. I don't expect NetApp to recommend sub-standard > memory for me to buy. > Hmm - Anyone ever remember buying single and double density floppy disks? The doubles usually cost a whole lot more (almost double when they first came out) The only difference was in the testing. They all came out of the same production run - some passed the dd tolerance test - some didn't - the ones that didn't became single density. All from the same manufacture. The same is true for memory, disk, and just about anything else that is mass produced. (Kinda like airplane seats - get the most $ that you can - sell the cheap stuff to whoever will buy) dp > > -ste > > -- > Work: (908) 582-7629 Pager: (800) 756-1133 Cell: (908) 672-6456

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