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Re: Tape Drives
by Mark D Fowle 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

How do I determine the firmware level of the Q47 ? tmac(a)netapp.com on 03/08/2000 12:50:00 PM To: Fowle_Mark_D@cat.com@INTERNET cc: toasters@mathworks.com@INTERNET (bcc: Mark D. Fowle/0V/Caterpillar) Subject: Re: Tape Drives Retain Until: 04/07/2000 Retention Category: G90 - Information and Reports Yeah, I know a government customer who does. Word of caution: If the Q47 is somewhat dated, you should upgrade the firmware in the library. There is a bug in their firmware that prevents a filer running 5.3 and later from booting. The Q47 firmware in question is version 4.41. Moving to anything later than that will be fine, like 4.43 & 4.53. --tmac Mark D Fowle wrote: > I have a Breece Hill Q-47 tape library, and I was wondering if anyone has a > library similar to this attached to the netapps ? > > Mark Fowle > Caterpillar

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RE: Problem in ownerships
by Muhlestein, Mark 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

It's kind of a fuzzy distinction, since you are trying to satisfy a diverse set of applications, but in general, EPERM ("Operation not permitted") is used to bounce attempts to do things that don't work because you're not the right UID/GID, whereas EACCESS ("Permission denied") is used when the object in question does not grant you access. In the case of NTFS qtrees, I think you could argue it either way, but to me it feels more like you're the "wrong user" than "this object denies access". We have plans to allow users from UNIX clients to manage NT ACLs on the filer, which would allow you to see what is going on in cases like this. In the meantime, now that the Samba team has published the necessary DCE/RPC info to do this*, there's nothing stopping some enterprising third party from providing such a command. Any takers? :-) Mark Muhlestein -- mmm(a)netapp.com *See Luke Leighton's book _DCE/RPC over SMB: Samba and Windows NT Domain Internals_ from Macmillan Technical Publishing. The Samba "rpcclient" utility gets you 95% of the way there. If anyone seriously wants to try this, let me know. -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Sterling Woodcock [mailto:sirbruce@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 4:11 AM To: Bond, Andrew; bhaskar.g(a)philips.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Problem in ownerships ----- Original Message ----- From: Bond, Andrew <abond(a)netapp.com> To: <bhaskar.g(a)philips.com>; <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2000 3:42 AM Subject: RE: Problem in ownerships > I'd take a quess that the file is on a qtree (or volume) with NTFS security. > This is expected behaviour in that situation. Good point. I would have expected a different error message (EACCES rather than EPERM), but it appears that chown(2) and utimes(2) may interpret those very strictly, and assume that EPERM must mean that you are not the owner if you're not root, rather than simply being denied write access. They don't seem to consider the possibility of being denied write access even when the times argument is non-NULL. Still, wouldn't it be more appropriate for the filer to return NFS[3]ERR_ACCES instead of NFS[3]ERR_PERM in those situations? Bruce

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Re: Tape Drives
by Graham C. Knight 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

Mark D Fowle wrote: > > I have a Breece Hill Q-47 tape library, and I was wondering if anyone has a > library similar to this attached to the netapps ? > > Mark Fowle > Caterpillar We have 4 or 5 of them attached to netapps, and have a sun server driving the robots. These libraries were a purchasing mistake. They aren't the most reliable on the market - that's putting it lightly. Graham

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Re: Tape Drives
by Timothy A. McCarthy 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

Yeah, I know a government customer who does. Word of caution: If the Q47 is somewhat dated, you should upgrade the firmware in the library. There is a bug in their firmware that prevents a filer running 5.3 and later from booting. The Q47 firmware in question is version 4.41. Moving to anything later than that will be fine, like 4.43 & 4.53. --tmac Mark D Fowle wrote: > I have a Breece Hill Q-47 tape library, and I was wondering if anyone has a > library similar to this attached to the netapps ? > > Mark Fowle > Caterpillar

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Problem in ownerships
by bhaskar.g＠philips.com 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

Hi all, Recently we have procured a Filer 720. We are facing a strange problem. Though I am the owner of a file or directory When i try to change the ownership of the file or directory or if i try to copy the file to some other directory. It gives the following errors bhaskarg@sahadev$ chown babuk:users quota.txt quota.txt: Not owner bhaskarg@sahadev$ ll quota.txt -rw-rw-r-- 1 bhaskarg users 1137 Feb 29 10:29 quota.txt bhaskarg@sahadev$ sunitha@detroit$ ll total 336 -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 1936 Jan 28 10:17 Glite_To_do27thJan.html -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 5945 Feb 11 16:49 Glite_to10Feb.html -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 20992 Mar 1 11:51 Glite_to24thFeb.xls -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 30068 Feb 28 17:48 estimation_back.html drwxrwxr-x 2 sunitha WEB 4096 Mar 7 14:42 images -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 690 Mar 2 16:52 index.html -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 418 Feb 5 16:03 innovteam.html -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 2466 Mar 7 14:45 right_innov.html sunitha@detroit$ cp -p right_innov.html /home/www/htdocs/groups/innov/. cp: utime failed right_innov.html: Not owner sunitha@detroit$ regards Bhaskar G Systems Engineer, Philips Semiconductors, #3, Sterling Square,Madras Bank Road, Off St Mark's Road,BANGALORE-560 001. Voice : +91 80 222 9200 Ext 5060 Fax: +91 80 2229700

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FW: Problem in ownerships
by Bond, Andrew 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

Sorry - I clicked "reply" instead of "reply to all" > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Bond [mailto:andrewb@netapp.com] On Behalf Of > Bond, Andrew > Sent: 08 March 2000 13:25 > To: 'Krzysztof Miller' > Subject: RE: Problem in ownerships > > > Actually, that's a good point - is the option > wafl.root_only_chown set to "on"? > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: owner-dl-toasters(a)netapp.com > > [mailto:owner-dl-toasters@netapp.com]On Behalf Of Krzysztof Miller > > Sent: 08 March 2000 13:08 > > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > > Subject: Re: Problem in ownerships > > > > > > bhaskar.g(a)philips.com wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > bhaskarg@sahadev$ chown babuk:users quota.txt > > > quota.txt: Not owner > > > bhaskarg@sahadev$ ll quota.txt > > > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bhaskarg users 1137 Feb 29 10:29 > quota.txt > > > bhaskarg@sahadev$ > > > > > > > > > Don't you have to be "root" to chown to other user ? > > > > > > -- > > > > Krzysztof >

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Tape Drives
by Mark D Fowle 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

I have a Breece Hill Q-47 tape library, and I was wondering if anyone has a library similar to this attached to the netapps ? Mark Fowle Caterpillar

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RE: Problem in ownerships
by Bond, Andrew 08 Mar '00

08 Mar '00

I'd take a quess that the file is on a qtree (or volume) with NTFS security. This is expected behaviour in that situation. > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-dl-toasters(a)netapp.com > [mailto:owner-dl-toasters@netapp.com]On Behalf Of > bhaskar.g(a)philips.com > Sent: 08 March 2000 04:01 > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Problem in ownerships > > > > Hi all, > > Recently we have procured a Filer 720. We are facing a > strange problem. Though I am the owner of a file or directory > When i try to change the ownership of the file or directory > or if i try to copy the file to some other directory. It gives the > following errors > > > bhaskarg@sahadev$ chown babuk:users quota.txt > quota.txt: Not owner > bhaskarg@sahadev$ ll quota.txt > -rw-rw-r-- 1 bhaskarg users 1137 Feb 29 10:29 quota.txt > bhaskarg@sahadev$ > > sunitha@detroit$ ll > total 336 > -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 1936 Jan 28 10:17 > Glite_To_do27thJan.html > -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 5945 Feb 11 16:49 > Glite_to10Feb.html > -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 20992 Mar 1 11:51 > Glite_to24thFeb.xls > -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 30068 Feb 28 17:48 > estimation_back.html > drwxrwxr-x 2 sunitha WEB 4096 Mar 7 14:42 images > -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 690 Mar 2 16:52 index.html > -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 418 Feb 5 16:03 > innovteam.html > -rwxrwxr-x 1 sunitha WEB 2466 Mar 7 14:45 > right_innov.html > sunitha@detroit$ cp -p right_innov.html > /home/www/htdocs/groups/innov/. > cp: utime failed right_innov.html: Not owner > sunitha@detroit$ > > > regards > Bhaskar G > Systems Engineer, > Philips Semiconductors, > #3, Sterling Square,Madras Bank Road, > Off St Mark's Road,BANGALORE-560 001. > Voice : +91 80 222 9200 Ext 5060 > Fax: +91 80 2229700 > >

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Newsgroup?
by rod＠cash.co.za 06 Mar '00

06 Mar '00

Hi there, I'v been told by Network Appliance that you have a newsgroup called 'toaster' ... if true how would I access it. I'm based in South Africa working for the NetApp partner. Many thanks Rod

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RE: Spurious "Loop break detected" message?
by Bulfer, David 05 Mar '00

05 Mar '00

Don't ignore the messages. Make sure all of your FC cables are plugged in tight and the jack screws snug. Contacting NetApp CS could not hurt. David Bulfer -----Original Message----- From: Brian Tao [mailto:taob@risc.org] Sent: Sunday, March 05, 2000 7:58 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com; grant.berry(a)netapp.com Subject: Spurious "Loop break detected" message? I noticed this on one of our F740's in the weekly e-mail: Thu Mar 2 13:36:35 EST [adm1-na7: isp2100_main]: Loop break detected on ISP2100 in slot 3. Thu Mar 2 13:36:35 EST [adm1-na7: isp2100_main]: Loop back up on ISP2100 in slot 3. There were no noticeable problems around that time, nor were any other messages reported. adm1-na7 is clustered with adm1-na8, both are running "NetApp Release 5.3.4: Fri Oct 15 12:28:26 PDT 1999". The FC-AL adapter in slot 3 is connected to adm1-na7's partner's drives though, which is probably why nothing bad happened. I'm more curious than concerned at this point, since this is the first time I've seen this happen (loop down/up event logged in the same second). -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob(a)risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"

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