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72 GB drives vs. large volumes
by Brian L. Brush 16 Apr '01

16 Apr '01

We have an F760 with two shelves of 72 GB drives. There are two volumes of five drives each. We now face the decision to expand one of the volumes or create a new three-drive volume, leaving one hot spare. If we create a new volume, we lose yet another large chunk of space for parity. (We also get a small number of spindles, but performance hasn't proven to be a problem in our situation.) If we expand an existing volume, we get an uncomfortably large volume. The volumes are already 215 GB. We're leaning toward the latter resolution, because disk usage inexorably increases, and purchasing more hardware is not an option even on the horizon. How have others dealt with these matters? Do such large volumes entail problems beyond the obviously longer backup and restore times? Are we overlooking any major issues? --Brian L. Brush Senior Systems Administrator Paradyne Corporation

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ndmpd version
by neil lehrer 16 Apr '01

16 Apr '01

how do you tell what version of ndmp your filer is running? the ndmp log on my f760 5.36.r2, i think, says ver 2. Mar 07 10:51:54 [ndmpd:60]: Created an NDMP server connection Mar 07 10:51:54 [ndmpd:60]: Message NDMP_NOTIFY_CONNECTED sent Mar 07 10:51:54 [ndmpd:60]: Message Header: Mar 07 10:51:54 [ndmpd:60]: Sequence 1 Mar 07 10:51:54 [ndmpd:60]: Timestamp 984005514 Mar 07 10:51:54 [ndmpd:60]: Msgtype 0 Mar 07 10:51:54 [ndmpd:60]: Method 1282 Mar 07 10:51:54 [ndmpd:60]: ReplySequence 0 Mar 07 10:51:54 [ndmpd:60]: Error NDMP_NO_ERR Mar 07 10:51:54 [ndmpd:60]: Reason: 0 Mar 07 10:51:54 [ndmpd:60]: version: 2 <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< is looking in the log the only way? it does not show on "ndmpd status." also, if i am on ver 2, what advantages will i get when i turn on ver 3? thanks. --

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FS: Four unopened/unused Netapp 18G drives
by rowdy 1970 14 Apr '01

14 Apr '01

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RE: Excluding files from NDMP backup
by Roth, William 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

Tom, I believe what you've stated is true, you could use EXCLUDE in conjunction with NEW_STREAM to get multiple simultaneous dumps going. There's a simpler and easier way to accomplish this, however. Use EXCLUDE when you want write less data to tape. Use NEW_STREAM when you want to initiate multiple simultaneous dumps from the same class. >From a performance perspective, an EXCLUDE based dump can be less efficient than a full volume dump, or a quota tree based dump. This goes back to what I said earlier, use EXCLUDE to write less data to tape, use multiple simultaneous dumps to write to more than one tape drive at a time. Dump performance is enhanced with Data ONTAP 6.0 or higher. Full volume or quota tree based dumps will provide the best performance. Let me know if you require more detail. Thanks, Bill Roth -----Original Message----- From: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau [mailto:MadDog@fool.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:33 PM To: 'Roth, William'; 'Justen, Joel'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Excluding files from NDMP backup How about if you wanted to back up A and B to one tape drive, and C,D,E to another? Could you allow multiple data streams and then SET EXCLUDE = C,D,E /vol/vol1 SET EXCLUDE = A,B /vol/vol1 ? Thanks, Tom -----Original Message----- From: Roth, William [mailto:William.Roth@netapp.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:45 PM To: 'Justen, Joel'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Excluding files from NDMP backup Joel, Actually, setting the EXCLUDE environmental variable within a NetBackup file list does work, but necessarily the way you might think it works. Here's an example: The subject volume, /vol/vol1, consists of five subdirectories, not contained in quota trees. The five subdirectories are A, B, C, D, and E. To back up only the A and B subdirectories, the file list would look like this; SET EXCLUDE = C,D,E /vol/vol1 In this example, the /vol/vol1/C, /vol/vol1/D, and /vol/vol1/E subdirectories are not dumped to tape. Thanks, Bill Roth -----Original Message----- From: Justen, Joel [mailto:Justen@Budd.ThyssenKrupp.Com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:22 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Excluding files from NDMP backup I never saw an answer to this on this mailing list and I just figured it out for myself so I thought I'd answer it. To exclude files using Veritas you have to use a directive like follows: SET EXCLUDE=*.PST This directive is passed directly to the NDMP process and is ignored by Netbackup. Joel Justen > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd C. Merrill [mailto:tmerrill@mathworks.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:33 PM > To: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau > Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: Re: Excluding files from NDMP backup > > > On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau wrote: > > > Is there a way to exclude files from an NDMP backup? By > this I'm asking both > > (1) A subdirectory of a volume or qtree that's being backed up > > (2) Files with specific extensions (e.g. *.pst files so you > don't back up > > Exchange email archives) > > > > We're using Veritas NetBackup 3.4. > > I'd very much appreciate knowing if this was possible, too. I'm > using gtar with the --exclude-from=FILE option because it's faster for > me to backup 25-35% of the useful data via NFS than 100% of > the data via > NDMP. > ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this E-mail in error please notify the system manager. This foot- note also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper in accordance with The Budd Company E-Mail Policy. **********************************************************************

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Re: Steven Wells' comments re: NetApp's Software Licensing Policies
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

In a message dated 4/12/01 6:53:57 PM Central Daylight Time, steven.wells(a)netapp.com writes: > If you are considering used equipment please read and understand the software > licensing and support policies first. Steven Wells' advice is EXTRAORDINARILY valuable if you are buying ANY NetApp equipment, NEW or USED. If your company factors any consideration of equipment re-sale value into its purchasing decisions, you would be well-advised to insist that Network Appliance agree to a simple modification of its standard software license agreement before you hand them a purchase order for your next filer. Otherwise, should your company ever be in a position where it needs to sell its NetApp gear -- as many companies, for example, are currently being forced to do with their newer F760s and F840s -- the wholesale value of your system will be about TEN CENTS ON THE DOLLAR as soon as it leaves NetApp's shipping dock. BTW, when Union Computer advertises used NetApp filers with transferable software licenses, it is because the systems carry software license agreements which NetApp's legal department has, in fact, agreed to modify in order to allow the free transfer of the software with re-sale of the system. Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 scott(a)unioncomputer.com

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RE: NetApp 4gb/9gb/18gb/36gb disks/shelves, spares kits, adaptor
by Andrew Siegel 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

If you are considering purchasing NEW NetApp equipment, insist on a transferable software license IN WRITING before handing over that PO. Without said license your machine is worth only a fraction of its actual value on the resale market. -- Andrew Siegel Head of Systems Blue Sky Studios, Inc. abs(a)blueskystudios.com Steven Wells wrote: > > If you are considering used equipment please read and understand the software licensing and support policies first. > > http://www.netapp.com/support/ues.html > > -Steve > > -----Original Message----- > From: ScottUCE(a)aol.com [mailto:ScottUCE@aol.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 6:58 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: FS: NetApp 4gb/9gb/18gb/36gb disks/shelves, spares kits, > adaptor cards > > > Please contact us for great pricing on the NetApp items listed below; most > hardware is eligible for NetApp service contract or for extended warranties > from Union Computer. > > 4gb SCSI drives and shelves > 9gb FC-AL and SCSI drives and shelves > 18gb FC-AL drives and shelves (FC8) > 36gb FC-AL drives and shelves > Spares kits and spare parts for F330, F520, F630, F720-C720, F740, and > F760 filers > Ethernet adaptor cards (GB, Quad, 10/100) > SCSI adaptor cards > FC-AL adaptor cards > ATM adaptor cards > > Several F760 systems with transferable software licenses are also available. > > Scott Fischmann > Union Computer Exchange, Inc. > 6233 Idylwood Lane > Minneapolis, MN 55436 > Phone: 952 935 7282 > scott(a)unioncomputer.com >

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RE: NetApp 4gb/9gb/18gb/36gb disks/shelves, spares kits, adaptor cards
by Wells, Steven 13 Apr '01

13 Apr '01

If you are considering used equipment please read and understand the software licensing and support policies first. http://www.netapp.com/support/ues.html -Steve -----Original Message----- From: ScottUCE(a)aol.com [mailto:ScottUCE@aol.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 6:58 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: FS: NetApp 4gb/9gb/18gb/36gb disks/shelves, spares kits, adaptor cards Please contact us for great pricing on the NetApp items listed below; most hardware is eligible for NetApp service contract or for extended warranties from Union Computer. 4gb SCSI drives and shelves 9gb FC-AL and SCSI drives and shelves 18gb FC-AL drives and shelves (FC8) 36gb FC-AL drives and shelves Spares kits and spare parts for F330, F520, F630, F720-C720, F740, and F760 filers Ethernet adaptor cards (GB, Quad, 10/100) SCSI adaptor cards FC-AL adaptor cards ATM adaptor cards Several F760 systems with transferable software licenses are also available. Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 scott(a)unioncomputer.com

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RE: Excluding files from NDMP backup
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

How about if you wanted to back up A and B to one tape drive, and C,D,E to another? Could you allow multiple data streams and then SET EXCLUDE = C,D,E /vol/vol1 SET EXCLUDE = A,B /vol/vol1 ? Thanks, Tom -----Original Message----- From: Roth, William [mailto:William.Roth@netapp.com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 3:45 PM To: 'Justen, Joel'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Excluding files from NDMP backup Joel, Actually, setting the EXCLUDE environmental variable within a NetBackup file list does work, but necessarily the way you might think it works. Here's an example: The subject volume, /vol/vol1, consists of five subdirectories, not contained in quota trees. The five subdirectories are A, B, C, D, and E. To back up only the A and B subdirectories, the file list would look like this; SET EXCLUDE = C,D,E /vol/vol1 In this example, the /vol/vol1/C, /vol/vol1/D, and /vol/vol1/E subdirectories are not dumped to tape. Thanks, Bill Roth -----Original Message----- From: Justen, Joel [mailto:Justen@Budd.ThyssenKrupp.Com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:22 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Excluding files from NDMP backup I never saw an answer to this on this mailing list and I just figured it out for myself so I thought I'd answer it. To exclude files using Veritas you have to use a directive like follows: SET EXCLUDE=*.PST This directive is passed directly to the NDMP process and is ignored by Netbackup. Joel Justen > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd C. Merrill [mailto:tmerrill@mathworks.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:33 PM > To: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau > Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: Re: Excluding files from NDMP backup > > > On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau wrote: > > > Is there a way to exclude files from an NDMP backup? By > this I'm asking both > > (1) A subdirectory of a volume or qtree that's being backed up > > (2) Files with specific extensions (e.g. *.pst files so you > don't back up > > Exchange email archives) > > > > We're using Veritas NetBackup 3.4. > > I'd very much appreciate knowing if this was possible, too. I'm > using gtar with the --exclude-from=FILE option because it's faster for > me to backup 25-35% of the useful data via NFS than 100% of > the data via > NDMP. > ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this E-mail in error please notify the system manager. This foot- note also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper in accordance with The Budd Company E-Mail Policy. **********************************************************************

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RE: Excluding files from NDMP backup
by Roth, William 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

Joel, Actually, setting the EXCLUDE environmental variable within a NetBackup file list does work, but necessarily the way you might think it works. Here's an example: The subject volume, /vol/vol1, consists of five subdirectories, not contained in quota trees. The five subdirectories are A, B, C, D, and E. To back up only the A and B subdirectories, the file list would look like this; SET EXCLUDE = C,D,E /vol/vol1 In this example, the /vol/vol1/C, /vol/vol1/D, and /vol/vol1/E subdirectories are not dumped to tape. Thanks, Bill Roth -----Original Message----- From: Justen, Joel [mailto:Justen@Budd.ThyssenKrupp.Com] Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 10:22 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Excluding files from NDMP backup I never saw an answer to this on this mailing list and I just figured it out for myself so I thought I'd answer it. To exclude files using Veritas you have to use a directive like follows: SET EXCLUDE=*.PST This directive is passed directly to the NDMP process and is ignored by Netbackup. Joel Justen > -----Original Message----- > From: Todd C. Merrill [mailto:tmerrill@mathworks.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 5:33 PM > To: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau > Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: Re: Excluding files from NDMP backup > > > On Tue, 6 Mar 2001, Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau wrote: > > > Is there a way to exclude files from an NDMP backup? By > this I'm asking both > > (1) A subdirectory of a volume or qtree that's being backed up > > (2) Files with specific extensions (e.g. *.pst files so you > don't back up > > Exchange email archives) > > > > We're using Veritas NetBackup 3.4. > > I'd very much appreciate knowing if this was possible, too. I'm > using gtar with the --exclude-from=FILE option because it's faster for > me to backup 25-35% of the useful data via NFS than 100% of > the data via > NDMP. > ******************************************************************* This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and is intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this E-mail in error please notify the system manager. This foot- note also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper in accordance with The Budd Company E-Mail Policy. **********************************************************************

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NIS/Passwd lookup order
by Rainchik, Aleksandr (MED, Non GE) 12 Apr '01

12 Apr '01

Hello, Is there a way to let filer lookup user info in /etc/passwd first and then in NIS passwd map. To emulate this Solaris behavior # cat /etc/nsswitch.con ... passwd: files nis ... I have a feeling that as soon as you say nis.enable=1 it just stops using /etc/passwd... -- Aleksandr Rainchik

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