toasters March 2005

toasters@lists.teaparty.net

63 participants
88 discussions

RE: HSM and Netapp
by Louis Elias 24 Mar '05

24 Mar '05

I would like to set the record straight for posterity. NuView has 2 products that can be used to build an ILM strategy. 1.) Virtual File Manager (VFM) is software that can virtualize an enterprise namespace by taking advantage of either MS DFS which is built into the CIFS protocol or NFS. DFS is not an in band solution but rather acts much like DNS by supplying referals to user requests. VFM automates the management of all of the DFS roots through several different policies. One of those policies is a Data Archival Migration policy that will find folders that contain files with attributes you are looking for. So I can say find all of the folders that contain files, 95% of which have not been accessed in 180 days, for instance, and move them to more cost effective storage. If done in conjunction with DFS this move will be transparent to users and applications. It is not HSM but actually moves the files. VFM uses an SQL database (MSDE or SQL server). If it goes down the DFS roots are still available to the users so their is no impact. This is only one small part of what VFM can be used for. 2.) File Lifecycle Manager (FLM) is more like traditional HSM in that it moves files from a filer leaving a stub (not shortcut) behind. When opened the file is pulled back from the nearline storage and opened. This is possible for CIFS and soon NFS (awaiting DOT 7.0.1) data. FLM has other features such as the ability to prevent users from putting or creating files of certain types like .mp3 files on the filer. It is extremely robust and easy to implement. If you have filers whose volumes are filling this is a quick way to alleviate the problem. So depending on your particular need or environment, either of these products can present a lot of possibilities for HSM or ILM. Louis For CIFS data, Microsoft's DFS might also be a usable solution for what the poster had in mind, being able to move data around a bit. *** Are people seeing good results with NuView? I'd heard it runs on the "mini-SQL" database that vendors now ship with products (a subset of Microsoft SQL) and it's not clusterable or configurable in any highly available manner. I understand that if you lose the server running NuView, you lose access to all the migrated data? I'm not trying to lay flamebait, I just want to hear some "5000 mile reports" from people running NuView in the field. JKB

1 0

MacOS X / Windows NetApp sharing issues
by Rob Winters 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

I have a FAS960 and an R200 to deploy. One of the services to be provided is user file services. They will replace Windows servers, which also run MS's AFP services for Macs. The Mac users can currently share files fairly seamlessly with Windows users courtesy of (of all entities) Microsoft. <rant> Despite the decade or so that has passed since everyone stopped thinking it was cool and pretty much started agreeing that it was a bad idea :-), Mac files are still three-dimensional entities with "data forks" (files), and "resource forks" (Mac-specific "stuff"). <sigh> </rant> Apple file servers run a hierarchical file service that will store Mac files or flat files. (Duh.) Microsoft's AFP service also has a facility ("NTFS Streams") to handle the additional information, serve it up to Macs, and allow non-Macs to ignore it, while still presenting a single file image. Good enough. Based on sparse clues, I *think* that all Data ONTAP releases post-6.4 support NTFS Streams in the same way as Microsoft AFP. The Thursby products "DAVE" and "ADmitMac" are smart enough to notice that the NTFS Streams facility exists on the NetApp and make use of it, therefore files stored with these products vis CIFS appear as a single file on disk, and the Mac users still get their resource fork data back. Unfortunately,... Apple's CIFS client is not so bright. It's not smart enough to realize that NTFS Streams is present, or to do anything clever with it. Instead it stores a separate file for the resource fork, i.e.: ._resume.doc resume.doc It *is* smart enough to tag the "._" files as hidden in CIFS, but curious Windows users can see and manipulate them anyway. (We even tested with the yet-to-be-released rev of MacOS X, in case anyone is curious.) Worse, the creating Mac user leaves the "._" file "in use" until it drops the share or shuts down, so other Mac users can edit the corresponding file, but not save it with the same name. Other tests showed the opposite: two Macs with the same file open r/w, happily overwriting the same Office document in turn. ACK! Macs can't share with Macs! We tried Mac via NFS as well as an Xserve accessing via NFS and re-serving AFP to Macs. Both are worse, because the "._" files are then not marked as hidden in CIFS, so the Windows users see all of these junk files sorted to the top, before the "real" files. Finally, the question! What are we missing? Is it really this ugly to share between Macs and PCs on a NetApp? We really wanted to roll out this whole deployment server-side and relatively transparently; now we are looking at having to install ADmitMac on about 700 Macs. I'm hoping that there are some other options out there. Thanks for any ideas, folks! /// Rob

2 1

RE: Needed: A tool for editing CIFS ACLs
by Adrian Phillips 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

Hello; There is a utility we use (non GUI, but I'm mentioning it anyways as we've been so pleased with it) to modify ACLs. It is called "NTSec" and is from a company called "Pedestal" (http://www.pedestalsoftware.com/). Allows you to backup up ACLs from folder sets (very useful for restoring these setting should a user with too much privilege mess things up) and other things too. Also allows you to swap users, so will replace user A with user B for any individual access they may have... Anyways, I ramble... :) Cheers, -Adrian -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]On Behalf Of Warkentin, Grant Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:05 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Needed: A tool for editing CIFS ACLs Thanks. Unfortunately our IT security department has mandated that a whole bunch of stuff be turned on under CIFS audit. This makes these logs mostly useless to us. Too much data. Cacls would work - been wanting to create a less dangerous substitute for ntfschown[1] for file ownership modifications. Still prefer to find a GUI utility for the other admins here. 1. A utility I downloaded from now.netapp. It works well if used properly and can cause a whole mess of trouble if not used properly. NOTICE - This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Holland, William L Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:34 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Needed: A tool for editing CIFS ACLs CIFS security auditing is already a part of the CIFS protocal and configured through options cifs. You can use CACLS (part of the Windows OS) in scripts to manage the ACLs as well. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:Grant.Warkentin@calgary.ca] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:18 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Needed: A tool for editing CIFS ACLs Question: Can anyone recommend a 3rd party tool for editing CIFS ACLs on an FAS960. We need: 1. An audit trail. 2. The ability to add additional ACLs without changing the existing ACLs on a folder. Currently we are using FSA (File Security Administrator) by NetIQ on our regular servers. This product needs to run an agent on the server so it's no good for filers. I have been looking at Security Explorer by Script Logic. Some information I have on this product is "We are currently working with Net App to overcome some issues with Compatibility." Do you know of any other programs besides these two? TIA. Grant Warkentin System Administrator II City of Calgary - Information Technology Mail Drop == 8245 Ph: (403) 268-5629 Fax: (403) 268-2546 NOTICE - This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation.

1 0

HSM and NetApp
by Holland, William L 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

What would you recommend for an HSM product for use with NetApp? I am interested in a product that will periodically scan my file systems on my filers and then, based on criteria that I establish, move those files to an R200. I would like for it to leave a link in place of the original file so that it can be retrieved should it be needed. I would like to be able to further refine the management such that once a file has been moved to the R200 for some period of time let me know to either archive it to tape/DVD/etc and then delete it from the R200 and remove the links.

5 4

RE: HSM and NetApp
by Yoder, Alan 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

Nuview is not in the data path, it merely manages the DFS links. When the Nuview server goes down, the links are still in place on the filer(s), and the data is still available. Alan ============================= Alan G. Yoder Technical Staff Network Appliance, Inc. ============================= > -----Original Message----- > From: James Brigman [mailto:jbrigman@nc.rr.com] > Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:35 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Cc: jbrigman(a)nc.rr.com > Subject: Re: HSM and NetApp > > For CIFS data, Microsoft's DFS might also be a usable > solution for what > the poster had in mind, being able to move data around a bit. > > *** > > Are people seeing good results with NuView? > > I'd heard it runs on the "mini-SQL" database that vendors now > ship with > products (a subset of Microsoft SQL) and it's not clusterable or > configurable in any highly available manner. > > I understand that if you lose the server running NuView, you > lose access > to all the migrated data? > > I'm not trying to lay flamebait, I just want to hear some "5000 mile > reports" from people running NuView in the field. > > JKB >

1 0

RE: Needed: A tool for editing CIFS ACLs
by Warkentin, Grant 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

Thanks. Unfortunately our IT security department has mandated that a whole bunch of stuff be turned on under CIFS audit. This makes these logs mostly useless to us. Too much data. Cacls would work - been wanting to create a less dangerous substitute for ntfschown[1] for file ownership modifications. Still prefer to find a GUI utility for the other admins here. 1. A utility I downloaded from now.netapp. It works well if used properly and can cause a whole mess of trouble if not used properly. NOTICE - This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Holland, William L Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 10:34 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Needed: A tool for editing CIFS ACLs CIFS security auditing is already a part of the CIFS protocal and configured through options cifs. You can use CACLS (part of the Windows OS) in scripts to manage the ACLs as well. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:Grant.Warkentin@calgary.ca] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:18 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Needed: A tool for editing CIFS ACLs Question: Can anyone recommend a 3rd party tool for editing CIFS ACLs on an FAS960. We need: 1. An audit trail. 2. The ability to add additional ACLs without changing the existing ACLs on a folder. Currently we are using FSA (File Security Administrator) by NetIQ on our regular servers. This product needs to run an agent on the server so it's no good for filers. I have been looking at Security Explorer by Script Logic. Some information I have on this product is "We are currently working with Net App to overcome some issues with Compatibility." Do you know of any other programs besides these two? TIA. Grant Warkentin System Administrator II City of Calgary - Information Technology Mail Drop == 8245 Ph: (403) 268-5629 Fax: (403) 268-2546 NOTICE - This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation.

1 0

RE: Needed: A tool for editing CIFS ACLs
by Holland, William L 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

CIFS security auditing is already a part of the CIFS protocal and configured through options cifs. You can use CACLS (part of the Windows OS) in scripts to manage the ACLs as well. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:Grant.Warkentin@calgary.ca] Sent: Wednesday, March 23, 2005 12:18 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Needed: A tool for editing CIFS ACLs Question: Can anyone recommend a 3rd party tool for editing CIFS ACLs on an FAS960. We need: 1. An audit trail. 2. The ability to add additional ACLs without changing the existing ACLs on a folder. Currently we are using FSA (File Security Administrator) by NetIQ on our regular servers. This product needs to run an agent on the server so it's no good for filers. I have been looking at Security Explorer by Script Logic. Some information I have on this product is "We are currently working with Net App to overcome some issues with Compatibility." Do you know of any other programs besides these two? TIA. Grant Warkentin System Administrator II City of Calgary - Information Technology Mail Drop == 8245 Ph: (403) 268-5629 Fax: (403) 268-2546 NOTICE - This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation.

1 0

Needed: A tool for editing CIFS ACLs
by Warkentin, Grant 23 Mar '05

23 Mar '05

Question: Can anyone recommend a 3rd party tool for editing CIFS ACLs on an FAS960. We need: 1. An audit trail. 2. The ability to add additional ACLs without changing the existing ACLs on a folder. Currently we are using FSA (File Security Administrator) by NetIQ on our regular servers. This product needs to run an agent on the server so it's no good for filers. I have been looking at Security Explorer by Script Logic. Some information I have on this product is "We are currently working with Net App to overcome some issues with Compatibility." Do you know of any other programs besides these two? TIA. Grant Warkentin System Administrator II City of Calgary - Information Technology Mail Drop == 8245 Ph: (403) 268-5629 Fax: (403) 268-2546 NOTICE - This communication is intended ONLY for the use of the person or entity named above and may contain information that is confidential or legally privileged. If you are not the intended recipient named above or a person responsible for delivering messages or communications to the intended recipient, YOU ARE HEREBY NOTIFIED that any use, distribution, or copying of this communication or any of the information contained in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by telephone and then destroy or delete this communication, or return it to us by mail if requested by us. The City of Calgary thanks you for your attention and cooperation.

1 0

Re: HSM and NetApp
by Chad_Haywood＠ssga.com 22 Mar '05

22 Mar '05

Derek We are considering FileX in addition to others like StorageTek or Veritas solutions. Are you using FileX now and if so what do you like/dislike about it? Thanks, Chad Chad Haywood SSgA Enterprise Storage Management Desk (617) 664-2746 Cell (617) 592-3519 --------- Sent from my BlackBerry ----------- ----- Original Message ----- From: owner-toasters Sent: 03/22/2005 01:38 PM To: "'Holland, William L'" <hollandwl(a)state.gov>; "'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Subject: RE: HSM and NetApp Check out FLM (File Lifecycle Management) from Nuview. Derek -----Original Message----- From: Holland, William L [mailto:hollandwl@state.gov] Sent: Tuesday, March 22, 2005 9:57 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: HSM and NetApp What would you recommend for an HSM product for use with NetApp? I am interested in a product that will periodically scan my file systems on my filers and then, based on criteria that I establish, move those files to an R200. I would like for it to leave a link in place of the original file so that it can be retrieved should it be needed. I would like to be able to further refine the management such that once a file has been moved to the R200 for some period of time let me know to either archive it to tape/DVD/etc and then delete it from the R200 and remove the links.

1 0

RE: HSM and NetApp
by Iain Barnetson 22 Mar '05

22 Mar '05

We use Enigma Data Systems "Smartmove" it's Java based works well enough the only draw back for us is that it doesn't use a SQL DB only it's own flat file system or Oracle. otherwise it's pretty good. -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com on behalf of Holland, William L Sent: Tue 22/03/2005 17:57 To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: HSM and NetApp What would you recommend for an HSM product for use with NetApp? I am interested in a product that will periodically scan my file systems on my filers and then, based on criteria that I establish, move those files to an R200. I would like for it to leave a link in place of the original file so that it can be retrieved should it be needed. I would like to be able to further refine the management such that once a file has been moved to the R200 for some period of time let me know to either archive it to tape/DVD/etc and then delete it from the R200 and remove the links.

1 0

← Newer
1
2
3
4
5
6
7
8
9
Older →

2024

2023

2022

2021

2020

2019

2018

2017

2016

2015

2014

2013

2012

2011

2010

2009

2008

2007

2006

2005

2004

2003

2002

2001

2000

1999

1998

1997

toasters March 2005