toasters February 2004

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RE: moving disks between 720s
by Jeff Burton 25 Feb '04

25 Feb '04

The below will also zero out all disks that are not part of a volume: filer> priv set diag filer*> setflag raid_enable_prezeroing 1 after done all disks zero'ed filer*> setflag raid_enable_prezeroing 0 filer*> priv set If you add a disk to a filer that is not zero'd it seems to create a new volume and place that disk in the volume. It's never been a problem for us, but you do need to destroy that volume to add the disk to your spares. Jeff >From: "Glenn Dekhayser" <gdekhayser(a)voyantinc.com> >To: "Michael Schipp" <mschipp(a)asi.com.au>, "Frank Smith" ><fsmith(a)hoovers.com>, "toasters" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: RE: moving disks between 720s >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 18:34:40 -0500 > >I believe that there is a command "vol add -n" that will zero out the disks >without actually adding this to a volume- just saw this in training (thanks >Jim!). > >Glenn Dekhayser >Voyant Strategies, Inc. > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael Schipp [mailto:mschipp@asi.com.au] > Sent: Mon 2/23/2004 4:51 PM > To: Frank Smith; toasters > Cc: > Subject: RE: moving disks between 720s > > > > Go though the filer boot menu and initialize the disks so that they are >blank. > > Thank you > Michael A Schipp > ASI Solutions > IT LAN/WAN Administrator > E-Mail : mschipp(a)asi.com.au > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] >On Behalf Of Frank Smith > Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 7:00 AM > To: toasters > Subject: moving disks between 720s > > We are planning on retiring one of our F720s and keeping it to use > the parts as spares. Is there anything we need to do before the > shutdown so that the individual disks can be pulled and used as > replacements in other 720s? I'm not trying to move any data, > just grab individual disks that are part of a an existing volume > on the retired 720 and use them as hot spares on another 720. > > Thanks, > Frank > > -- > Frank Smith fsmith(a)hoovers.com > Sr. Systems Administrator Voice: 512-374-4673 > Hoover's Online Fax: 512-374-4501 > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ Store more e-mails with MSN Hotmail Extra Storage 4 plans to choose from! http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200362ave/direct/01/

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24 Feb '04

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RE: moving disks between 720s
by Glenn Dekhayser 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

I believe that there is a command "vol add -n" that will zero out the disks without actually adding this to a volume- just saw this in training (thanks Jim!). Glenn Dekhayser Voyant Strategies, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Schipp [mailto:mschipp@asi.com.au] Sent: Mon 2/23/2004 4:51 PM To: Frank Smith; toasters Cc: Subject: RE: moving disks between 720s Go though the filer boot menu and initialize the disks so that they are blank. Thank you Michael A Schipp ASI Solutions IT LAN/WAN Administrator E-Mail : mschipp(a)asi.com.au -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Smith Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 7:00 AM To: toasters Subject: moving disks between 720s We are planning on retiring one of our F720s and keeping it to use the parts as spares. Is there anything we need to do before the shutdown so that the individual disks can be pulled and used as replacements in other 720s? I'm not trying to move any data, just grab individual disks that are part of a an existing volume on the retired 720 and use them as hot spares on another 720. Thanks, Frank -- Frank Smith fsmith(a)hoovers.com Sr. Systems Administrator Voice: 512-374-4673 Hoover's Online Fax: 512-374-4501

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RE: Cluster failover question
by Jeff Burton 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

Below has worked many times on our F740C nodes and the data on both nodes is accessible the entire time (well outside of the takeover and giveback): - Manually takeover the problem filer from the working filer. (cf takeover) - Power off and unplug everything (cluster cables, FCAL cables, everything) from the problem filer head (only the head, not the disk shelves). - Replace whatever needs replacing. - Connect everything except the cluster connection. I can't remember if I left the FCAL cable to the partners disks disconnected as well, but I think I did just to be cautious. I do know I keep the FCAL connection to it's own disks connected. - Boot the problem filer with the diagnostic disk and run all diagnostics. As long as you cleanly shutdown you can do NVRAM tests, and as long as the cluster is not connected you can run all the MB tests. You can run the memory tests with everything connected. - After diagnostics run, take out the diag disk and reboot the filer. It should stop at the "waiting for giveback..." statement. - Do a cf giveback on the working filer. I've done this about 10 times on a F740C and F880C and have never had a problem with data not being available, or becomming corrupted. Just for the record, data center power outages cause most of these failures, not the NetApps. Jeff >From: Geoff Hardin <geoff.hardin(a)dalsemi.com> >To: toasters <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: Cluster failover question >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:04:49 -0600 > >We've always had cluster failover on our filers for those times when >something goes wrong on one filer and the other filer can serve the data. >Realistically speaking, that rarely happens because the filers are stable. >However, as time passes and the filers grow older, the develop more and >more "personality." > >For example, we have a pair of F760s that are our problem children. As >much as we'd like to pawn them off to another group, put them out to >pasture, or replace them outright, that does not appear to be happening in >the near future. Unfortunately, one of them has now developed a problem >with a memory DIMM on the motherboard. In the past, we've had the luxury >of being able to shut down the clustered pair of filers, but in our price >conscious environment, people are asking what is the point of clustering if >we can't do maintenance and keep the data available. > >So, my question is this: is it possible to work on a filer head while >serving the data up from the cluster partner? My concern is that you are >upsetting the FC-AL integrity because we'll have to unplug the FC-AL cables >from the adapters on the head when we pull the motherboard tray out. Then, >since the recommended course of action is to run diagnostics after >reseating and/or replacing the DIMMs, could we run a small set of the >diagnostics before plugging in the FC-AL cables? Maybe we could / should >use the FC-AL reset function from the diagnostics menu to get the loops >back to normal? > >Maybe we've just been too cautious with our data, but I'd like to hear from >other toasters if this is possible, advisable, and safe before putting our >data at risk. > >Thanks, > >Geoff > >-- >Geoff Hardin >geoff.hardin(a)dalsemi.com >Put on your seatbelt. I wanna try something. > > _________________________________________________________________ Find and compare great deals on Broadband access at the MSN High-Speed Marketplace. http://click.atdmt.com/AVE/go/onm00200360ave/direct/01/

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RE: moving disks between 720s
by Michael Schipp 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

Go though the filer boot menu and initialize the disks so that they are blank. Thank you Michael A Schipp ASI Solutions IT LAN/WAN Administrator E-Mail : mschipp(a)asi.com.au -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Frank Smith Sent: Tuesday, 24 February 2004 7:00 AM To: toasters Subject: moving disks between 720s We are planning on retiring one of our F720s and keeping it to use the parts as spares. Is there anything we need to do before the shutdown so that the individual disks can be pulled and used as replacements in other 720s? I'm not trying to move any data, just grab individual disks that are part of a an existing volume on the retired 720 and use them as hot spares on another 720. Thanks, Frank -- Frank Smith fsmith(a)hoovers.com Sr. Systems Administrator Voice: 512-374-4673 Hoover's Online Fax: 512-374-4501

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moving disks between 720s
by Frank Smith 23 Feb '04

23 Feb '04

We are planning on retiring one of our F720s and keeping it to use the parts as spares. Is there anything we need to do before the shutdown so that the individual disks can be pulled and used as replacements in other 720s? I'm not trying to move any data, just grab individual disks that are part of a an existing volume on the retired 720 and use them as hot spares on another 720. Thanks, Frank -- Frank Smith fsmith(a)hoovers.com Sr. Systems Administrator Voice: 512-374-4673 Hoover's Online Fax: 512-374-4501

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21 Feb '04

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20 Feb '04

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Oracle service termination
by Neil Stichbury 20 Feb '04

20 Feb '04

Toasters, The following is a description of a problem that occurred over three nights last week. Although vendors are involved in attempting to determine the cause and suggest 'recommended practise' changes there may be someone out there who has experienced a similar issue. What has been observed is; - Oracle unable to write to a redo log file and its mirror on drive E: or F:, logged error: "O/S-Error: (OS 64) The specified network name is no longer available" - The Oracle Log Writer terminates the Oracle instance. - The service "OracleService<SID>" terminates. This has occurred in one instance on seven Servers at the same time and on other nights with a smaller number of Servers. Backups across the Network have been taking place at this time and we are therefore lead to believe that this is load related. There are seven Windows based Servers running SAP/Oracle. Five are Win2k/SP3, one WIn2K/SP4, and one is NT/SP6a . Oracle on NT is 7.2.4 Oracle on Win2K is 8.1.7 SAP used is 1 x 3.1i (NT), 3 x 4.6c, 3 x 3.0b These servers use data drives mapped off a F820 with 3TB on 3 x DS-14 shelves. Eight volumes are used with all CIFS shares in qtrees. Logs and executables are kept on mapped drives not local disk. The systems are attached to a Foundry (Bigiron400) via 1GB fibre. The F820 connects to the Foundry via trunked dual 1GB fibre (dual single port cards). The Filer appears to check out OK with just uptime messages in the logs at this time with no link-loss or any other indication. Netdiag -v reports only on small average packet size for a couple of hosts and a small number of retransmissions. Ifstat looks good. The Foundry appears to check out ok with no indication of packet loss or similar. There are a number of error messages in the Oracle logs. I have listed a couple of these below. What is interesting is that at no time has any of these machines indicated redirector problems in the event logs at the time of the event with the only event being the termination of the Oracle service. Some points. iSCSI may be looked at in the future. It is not an option at the moment. The automatic hourly snapshots on two volumes are being removed. All future snapshots will be scheduled. At first glance this looks like some sort of redirector issue where Oracle is sensitive to Mapped drive loss. In one log Oracle places a log entry in a log on a drive that it is reporting the loss of. If this is the case then why does Win2K not report drive loss?. Would Oracle not be responding to an SMB indication of drive loss ?. If the redirector is being hit and not itself at fault then what infrastructure related issue might cause this?. Any and all comment appreciated. Thanks, Neil Stichbury Technical Support Gen-i Limited New Zealand Fri Feb 13 20:07:19 2004 KCF: write/open error block=0x404c online=1 file=8 E:\ORACLE\BWP\SAPDATA2\ROLL_1\ROLL.DATA1 error=27070 txt: 'OSD-04016: Error queuing an asynchronous I/O request. O/S-Error: (OS 64) The specified network name is no longer available.' Fri Feb 13 20:07:19 2004 Errors in file E:\oracle\BWP/saptrace/background\bwpLGWR.TRC: ORA-00345: Message 345 not found; product=RDBMS; facility=ORA ; arguments: [199] [55] ORA-00312: Message 312 not found; product=RDBMS; facility=ORA ; arguments: [2] [1] [E:\ORACLE\BWP\ORIGLOGB\LOG_G12M1.DBF] ORA-27070: Message 27070 not found; product=RDBMS; facility=ORA OSD-04016: Error queuing an asynchronous I/O request. Thu Feb 12 20:05:52 2004<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> LGWR: terminating instance due to error 340 Thu Feb 12 20:05:52 2004 KCF: write/open error block=0xdda6 online=1 file=2 E:\ORACLE\D46\SAPDATA1\ROLL_1\ROLL.DATA1 error=27070 txt: 'OSD-04016: Error queuing an asynchronous I/O request. O/S-Error: (OS 64) The specified network name is no longer available.'

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Cifs share question
by Robert Borowicz 18 Feb '04

18 Feb '04

I'm an admitted neophyte when it comes to Windows networking and am trying to do more than perhaps possible in my environment. I have a data source that I need to share "R/O" out to the greater population of desktops but my Filer is NOT bound to a DC. My "cifs access" on the share is "everyone read". I *also* want to have local (users who have a local account on the filers "workgroup" user db) mount the same share R/W. But when they attempt to mount the share the "everyone" R/O permissions apply. Is there a way to specify the R/W mount access writes in my case? The desktops that are mounting the share are in a Novell NDS domain. :-( Thanks in advance. -Rob

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