toasters June 2003

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by Balazs Csaba 25 Jun '03

25 Jun '03

Szeretne pénzt keresni interneten? Itt a lehetőség ! Anyagi problémáit megoldhatja. Az egyetlen feltétel: az ön lelkesedése! Ez NEM egy PIRAMISJÁTÉK! (nem egy "cápa" tipusu vállalkozás!) államilag, sőt világszerte elismert és működik. Lehetséges, hogy ön már hallott hasonló ajánlatokról de valami ok-ból kifojólag nem próbálta ki.... tálán azt gondolta, hogy képtelenség, szamárság. Ebben a vállalkozásban befektetése tényleg minimális és ügyfeleivel nem kell közvetlen kapcsolatba (fizikai) lépnie. Munkáját OTTHONRÓL végezheti SZABADIDEJÉBEN függetlenül identitásától, állampolgárságától, tartozkodási helyétől!! Ha ugy dönt, hogy legalább elolvassa a teljes programot (ami angol és magyar nyelvű) majd esetleg kiprobálja írjon vissza az email címre. Ha nem érdekli az ajánlat elnézését kérem, hogy postaládáját terheltem és idejét raboltam!

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Sales Quote and Adding Shelves
by Steve Evans 25 Jun '03

25 Jun '03

I'm working with my salesman on adding a DS14 shelf to my F810 filer. (already have one DS14 shelf) He's put in the quote: 2x NetApp DS14 LS Module, Copper-Copper Ports On my current DS14 shelf I have: 2x NetApp DS14 LS Module Cu-Cu Ports Do I need the Module's on the new shelf? Why do I have two on the current shelf? Steve Evans SDSU Foundation (619) 594-0653

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Slow GbE Network
by Holland, William L 25 Jun '03

25 Jun '03

I'm doing some performance testing with an F810 that is connected to our network via the onboard 10/100 NIC. DNS, WINS, etc are configured on that interface. The F810 also has a dual port GbE NIC connected directly to a Win2K server that is also connected via 10/100 to the same network as the F810's onboard 10/100. When I try things such as rsh 192.168.2.1 date it takes a VERY long time to run. Also connecting via unc (e.g. \\192.168.2.1\c$) takes a lot longer than it does over the 10/100 network. I suspect the issue is really on the Win2K side and how it tries to find clients but I am not sure what to look at. Any ideas? Thanks in advance.

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by km7vhrb02＠sneakemail.com 24 Jun '03

24 Jun '03

Hey there, Our security department has a need to look up who has rights to particular folders (CIFS) on our filer cluster. We have used Bindview and FastLane Reporter and Enterprise Directory Reporter to find out about local storage. However, none of them seem to be able to look at the filer. We have contacted the individual companies but we get long pauses when we try to explain what a Filer is and how it works. Anyone using any software that tells you who has access to a particular folder or know of any tricks to make these type of software programs work? Thanks. F840C - BW -------------------------------------- Protect yourself from spam, use http://sneakemail.com

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Some security questions/wishes
by Holland, William L 24 Jun '03

24 Jun '03

Setting up two new filers, F810 and FAS940, in a new installation. ONTAP 6.4.1 1. Is there a way that I can permit certain users to view filer configurations and statistics without their having the root password or being given full adminstrative access? 2. Is there a way to force logons to the filer (be it console, SSL enabled FilerView) to use Windows groups rather than having to hand out the root password? 3. Is there a way to allow certain people to perform manual snapshots without their being given full admin access? Something akin to a Backup Operator. 4. Along the same lines of 3 above is it possible to permit those same people to restore snapshots on particular volumes without their being able to access other volumes?

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Netapp ISCSI and AIXL 5.2
by markallen＠micron.com 20 Jun '03

20 Jun '03

Has anyone had any luck configuring iscsi with an AIXL 5.2 client? I can't seem to get the client to communicate with the filer and thought I would probe the toaster community to see if anyone else has had any such luck. I got to work with Linux and that about it. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Mark Allen

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F330 fun
by Daniel Mayfield 20 Jun '03

20 Jun '03

So a friend of mine gave me an f330 and four DEC BA350 shelves. The f330 needs nvram batteries (and more nvram simms if anybody wants to get rid of some, but that can wait. It has four simms) but now the challenge is to give this thing as much storage as possible. Because of the BA350s I'm limited to 1" disks (1.6" don't fit well in the cans). I'm wondering what the biggest disks I can buy are? I've got four narrow scsi channels so I'm assuming I can get 28 disks attached to this thing. 28*36 is ~1tb raw capacity (I figure 700-800GB usable?) The question is, can I put 36 gig disks on an F330? If so which ones? If not, then which 18s work, which 9s? This is for a home network, mostly for archiving video projects and recorded TV shows so I'm not looking to buy disks direct from netapp, nor am I looking for support for the filer. I'm assuming that when (hopefully not "if") something comes of Bill's hobbiest program that I'll be able to get OS media and licenses from that. I guess this goes along with the "how far past spec can you push a toaster" ideas that have floated past recently. daniel

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RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW
by Krause, Oliver 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Or boot a linux directly from CD and mount a rw partition (e.g. over NFS) which contains the simulator files ... http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html ok -----Original Message----- From: Bokkelkamp Ernst [mailto:ernst.bokkelkamp@siemens.com] Sent: Donnerstag, 19. Juni 2003 19:21 To: Merkin, David S; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW Yes, However, you will need a VMWare extension to Windows XP. To be honest, if you have a spare outdated computer standing around then it is easy to install linux and then to run the simulator on it. You do not need much linux knowledge to get it to work, even if you have never installed linux it should only take a few hours to learn how to install a mininal system that is sufficient for the simulator. This week I installed SuSE 8.0 Profession with minimal system on a Pentium 90 with 48 MB RAM and a 800MB IDE harddisk to be able to run the simulator. This machine is a bit low on memory, but I decided to try it before adding a bit more RAM. But the simulator runs, although with a lot of disk activity due to paging. It might be old and slow, but it is sufficient for me if I want to check something and I believe that it will work good enough if I find some RAM in my junkbox. I also installed a minimal linux on an old AMD K6-2 333Mhz with 128MB and 6 GB Harddisk. This system runs the simulator perfectly without any complaints. The interesting part is that I also installed a minimal linux on a machine with an AMD Duron 1300, 256MB and a fast 40GB harddisk but the performance jump from the AMD K6-2 isn't that noticable. Actually this machine was the most difficult to install due to a problem with the mainboard under linux. If you would like to give it a try then I suggest you join the simulator mailing list where I can help you to get linux to work, but please note: I don't know much about linux, my specialisation is Windows 2000. Bye Ernst -----Original Message----- From: Merkin, David S [mailto:david.merkin@gs.com] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:26 PM To: 'Dave Hitz'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW Does this work on different OS's other than Linux? Can the Simulater be installed on XP? Thanks, David -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hitz [mailto:hitz@netapp.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:29 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW Some of you may know that NetApp Engineering uses an ONTAP Simulator as part of our development process. (The simulator runs all of ONTAP as a process under Linux. At a very low level, we spoof the disk drivers, so that disks are simulated by local files. We spoof the network drivers by putting the Linux Ethernet card into promiscuous mode and creating a fake MAC address associated with the simulator.) Enough technical details. The point of this message is that we are now making the simulator available to customers so that they can experiment with ONTAP features and commands without putting production systems at risk. I have had many customers tell me that they wished they had a way to play with new releases and new features, but they didn't have a safe place to do it. Just to be clear: This is not production software. It's ONTAP running on top of Linux, so don't use it for performance testing. We have no formal support program. Don't call NetApp support. This is an "as is" tool. (Some restrictions may apply. :-) On the other hand, I think you will find the simulator to be very useful for experimenting with ONTAP. Hundreds of NetApp engineers use it every day, and we have been using the simulator for over a year in NetApp training classes. Not only can you experiment with the features of a single filer, but you can run multiple simulators and experiment with features like SnapMirror, SnapVault, and Cluster Fail Over. It doesn't support Fibre Channel, because that would take more hardware, but it does support iSCSI and all of the other TCP/IP protocols, including NFS, CIFS, HTTP and FTP, as well as network management protocols like SNMP and NDMP. Here are some details: You can download the simulator from NOW at <http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/simulator>. We have created a category in the NOW community forums called "ONTAP Simulator" that can be accessed at <http://forums.netapp.com/showcategory.asp?cid=172>. And finally, we have created a majordomo mailing list that people can join at xdl-simulator(a)netapp.com. (You know the drill. To join send to majordomo(a)netapp.com, not to the simulator list itself.) And of course, feel free to talk about it here on toasters. As I said above, the simulator is NOT formally supported, but some volunteers at NetApp have agreed to informally answer questions to the xdl-simulator mailing list. Have fun! Dave Hitz Founder and EVP Engineering, Network Appliance

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RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW
by Simeone, David 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

I also love simulator, but I like keeping it simple. (What can I say, I work at NetApp!) Hence, my simplified versions of wrapper scripts, in the target directory: runsim script (run simulator)<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" /> stty intr ^X ./maytag.L -qfD stty intr ^C runflop script (run floppy boot) stty intr ^X ./maytag.L -qD stty intr ^C Dave Simeone STAR Partner Consulting SE NetApp Certified Professional Network Appliance - The evolution of storage.(tm) 425 Martingale Road Suite 1300 Schaumburg, IL 60173 847-655-2145 Office/Pager 815-351-5052 Cellular http://www.netapp.com <http://www.netapp.com/> (visitors) http://now.netapp.com <http://now.netapp.com/> (customers) Spotlight Presentations (partners) http://now.netapp.com/NOW/reseller/spotlights/ FAS900 Series Wins eWeek Excellence Award http://www.netapp.com/news/press/2003/news_rel_20030407a.html R100 Named Product of the Year by Network Magazine http://www.netapp.com/news/press/2003/news_rel_20030421.html -----Original Message----- From: Stephane Bentebba [mailto:stephane.bentebba@fps.fr] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 11:04 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW i love simulator if you interested in , i wrote a script to lauch the simulator main features : - retreive the executable from anywhere you are (you have to put the script in the path) - generate a log (in the current dir) if you wish it throught an interactive question - avoid Ctrl-C to be intercepted by the shell (replaced by Crtrl-A as explain in the paper) - let you specify additionnal arguments as the original command maytag.L supports --- warning : several text in french but hopfully w/out accent the script : << #! /bin/bash # author : me me me # version : final alfa release echo "-- wrapper maytag.L" old_stty=$(stty -g) stty -icanon time 1 min 0 -echo letest="" echo -n "** generer le log lasimontap.log ? [oy/N] " while [ -z "$letest" ]; do read letest done MYLOG="" if ([ "$letest" = "o" ] || [ "$letest" = "y" ]); then echo $letest echo -e "-- log sauve dans $PWD/lasimontap.log (mode append)\n" echo -e "\n** lasimontap.log du `date`\n" >> $PWD/lasimontap.log MYLOG="| tee $PWD/lasimontap.log" else echo $letest echo -e "-- log non sauve\n" fi stty $old_stty old_stty=$(stty -g) stty intr ^a cd /mnt/nac/home/Netapp/Simulator/sim echo -e "** execution de /mnt/nac/home/Netapp/Simulator/sim/maytag.L -qf $@\n" eval "/mnt/nac/home/Netapp/Simulator/sim/maytag.L -qf $@ $MYLOG" stty $old_stty trap "stty $old_stty" KILL QUIT EXIT >> WARNING : this only work on linux (for linux, you could perhaps try to install cygwin and see if simulator works on it) enjoy Dave Hitz wrote: On Jun 19, Merkin, David S wrote: Does this work on different OS's other than Linux? Can the Simulater be installed on XP? For now: Linux. Dave -- -- jetez un oeil ici http://www.sensiva.com/ -- -- have a look here http://www.sensiva.com/ --

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RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW
by Bokkelkamp Ernst 19 Jun '03

19 Jun '03

Yes, However, you will need a VMWare extension to Windows XP. To be honest, if you have a spare outdated computer standing around then it is easy to install linux and then to run the simulator on it. You do not need much linux knowledge to get it to work, even if you have never installed linux it should only take a few hours to learn how to install a mininal system that is sufficient for the simulator. This week I installed SuSE 8.0 Profession with minimal system on a Pentium 90 with 48 MB RAM and a 800MB IDE harddisk to be able to run the simulator. This machine is a bit low on memory, but I decided to try it before adding a bit more RAM. But the simulator runs, although with a lot of disk activity due to paging. It might be old and slow, but it is sufficient for me if I want to check something and I believe that it will work good enough if I find some RAM in my junkbox. I also installed a minimal linux on an old AMD K6-2 333Mhz with 128MB and 6 GB Harddisk. This system runs the simulator perfectly without any complaints. The interesting part is that I also installed a minimal linux on a machine with an AMD Duron 1300, 256MB and a fast 40GB harddisk but the performance jump from the AMD K6-2 isn't that noticable. Actually this machine was the most difficult to install due to a problem with the mainboard under linux. If you would like to give it a try then I suggest you join the simulator mailing list where I can help you to get linux to work, but please note: I don't know much about linux, my specialisation is Windows 2000. Bye Ernst -----Original Message----- From: Merkin, David S [mailto:david.merkin@gs.com] Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2003 5:26 PM To: 'Dave Hitz'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW Does this work on different OS's other than Linux? Can the Simulater be installed on XP? Thanks, David -----Original Message----- From: Dave Hitz [mailto:hitz@netapp.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 18, 2003 9:29 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: ONTAP Simulator available on NOW Some of you may know that NetApp Engineering uses an ONTAP Simulator as part of our development process. (The simulator runs all of ONTAP as a process under Linux. At a very low level, we spoof the disk drivers, so that disks are simulated by local files. We spoof the network drivers by putting the Linux Ethernet card into promiscuous mode and creating a fake MAC address associated with the simulator.) Enough technical details. The point of this message is that we are now making the simulator available to customers so that they can experiment with ONTAP features and commands without putting production systems at risk. I have had many customers tell me that they wished they had a way to play with new releases and new features, but they didn't have a safe place to do it. Just to be clear: This is not production software. It's ONTAP running on top of Linux, so don't use it for performance testing. We have no formal support program. Don't call NetApp support. This is an "as is" tool. (Some restrictions may apply. :-) On the other hand, I think you will find the simulator to be very useful for experimenting with ONTAP. Hundreds of NetApp engineers use it every day, and we have been using the simulator for over a year in NetApp training classes. Not only can you experiment with the features of a single filer, but you can run multiple simulators and experiment with features like SnapMirror, SnapVault, and Cluster Fail Over. It doesn't support Fibre Channel, because that would take more hardware, but it does support iSCSI and all of the other TCP/IP protocols, including NFS, CIFS, HTTP and FTP, as well as network management protocols like SNMP and NDMP. Here are some details: You can download the simulator from NOW at <http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/simulator>. We have created a category in the NOW community forums called "ONTAP Simulator" that can be accessed at <http://forums.netapp.com/showcategory.asp?cid=172>. And finally, we have created a majordomo mailing list that people can join at xdl-simulator(a)netapp.com. (You know the drill. To join send to majordomo(a)netapp.com, not to the simulator list itself.) And of course, feel free to talk about it here on toasters. As I said above, the simulator is NOT formally supported, but some volunteers at NetApp have agreed to informally answer questions to the xdl-simulator mailing list. Have fun! Dave Hitz Founder and EVP Engineering, Network Appliance

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