toasters May 2000

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RE: Problem in Saving CDE Settings
by Thaller Horst (MDCA Villach) 19 May '00

19 May '00

Hello *, I think it´s a problem with the permissions on your home directory. The dtlogin process (CDE) reads and writes configuration files in the homedirectory (~/.dtlogin/..). The owner of the process is root --> But root has not permissions on mounted directories! Try out to export your homedirecties with the "anon=0"-flag in /etc/exports -or- you should open your homedirectories for everybody (chmod 777 homedir) :-(( to avoid this problem. Regards, Horst Thaller Infineon Technologies Microelectronic Design Centers Austria GmbH Design Center Villach Siemensstrasse 2, A-9500 Villach Tel. ++43 4242 305-6212 Fax ++43 4242 305-6389 email: Horst.Thaller(a)infineon.com internet: www.infineon.com/ezmvi -----Original Message----- From: bhaskar.g(a)philips.com [mailto:bhaskar.g@philips.com] Sent: Freitag, 19. Mai 2000 05:54 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Problem in Saving CDE Settings Hi, Recently we have moved the home directories of the Users' on to the filer. We started facing problem of saving the CDE Settings. If any user changes his desktop settings and logouts and logs in the previous settings will not be saved. This never happened when the users' home directories were on an HPUX Server. kind regards Bhaskar G Philips Semiconductors, #3, Sterling Square,Madras Bank Road, Off St Mark's Road,BANGALORE-560 001. Voice : +91 80 222 9200 Ext 5060 Fax: +91 80 2229700

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RE: Problem in Saving CDE Settings
by Anders Ljungberg S (QDT) 19 May '00

19 May '00

Hi! What kind of Security Style are you using? We've seen this with Solaris 8 using NTFS Security Style. Anders Ljungberg Ericsson Business Consulting -----Original Message----- From: bhaskar.g(a)philips.com [mailto:bhaskar.g@philips.com] Sent: Friday, May 19, 2000 5:54 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Problem in Saving CDE Settings Hi, Recently we have moved the home directories of the Users' on to the filer. We started facing problem of saving the CDE Settings. If any user changes his desktop settings and logouts and logs in the previous settings will not be saved. This never happened when the users' home directories were on an HPUX Server. kind regards Bhaskar G Philips Semiconductors, #3, Sterling Square,Madras Bank Road, Off St Mark's Road,BANGALORE-560 001. Voice : +91 80 222 9200 Ext 5060 Fax: +91 80 2229700

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Problem in Saving CDE Settings
by bhaskar.g＠philips.com 19 May '00

19 May '00

Hi, Recently we have moved the home directories of the Users' on to the filer. We started facing problem of saving the CDE Settings. If any user changes his desktop settings and logouts and logs in the previous settings will not be saved. This never happened when the users' home directories were on an HPUX Server. kind regards Bhaskar G Philips Semiconductors, #3, Sterling Square,Madras Bank Road, Off St Mark's Road,BANGALORE-560 001. Voice : +91 80 222 9200 Ext 5060 Fax: +91 80 2229700

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disk firmware question
by Shaun Erickson 18 May '00

18 May '00

I'm about to upgrade an F330 to 5.3.5R2. NOW specifies that certain disks must have certain firmware revisions, but none of my disks are listed. Can someone help me? I have: disk firmware ================================ ST15230N 0638 and 0252 Fujitsu M2954E-512 1661 TIA, -ste -- Desk: (908) 582-7629 Pager: (800) 756-1133 Cell: (908) 672-6456

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RE: Attaching a NetApp to Fibre Tape drives in a SAN???
by michael.alvarado＠netapp.com 18 May '00

18 May '00

http://www.netapp.com/news/press/news_rel_20000202.html Please consult ATL and Spectra Logic for specific details about the configurations. -----Original Message----- From: jmiddlebrooks(a)datalink.com [mailto:jmiddlebrooks@datalink.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:51 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: Engineering(a)datalink.com Subject: Attaching a Netapp to Fibre Tape drives in a SAN??? Has anybody had any thoughts or done any testing with the following configuration? Basically connecting a Netapp into a SAN for backups not storage. One Netapp F760 One extra Fibre Card in the Netapp One Firbre Switch (Brocade or Ancor) One Tape Library connected into the Fibre Switch. Veritas Netbackup and NDMP Solaris or NT Netbackup Master and several Media servers Connect the Netapp into the swtich with the extra fibre connection. Zone the switch so the Netapp and two tape drives are tied together. Backup driectly to the tape drives by using NDMP. My questions to Netapp are: 1) Is this possible? 2) How would the Netapp log into the switch? As a Loop or Fabric? 3) What is the solution for backing up a Netapp directly to Fibre tape drives? 4) What is supported? I am going to test what I thank will work but any thoughts or ideas would be helpful. Jason Middlebrooks Systems Engineer Datalink Corp. 888-933-9327 x2970

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Attaching a Netapp to Fibre Tape drives in a SAN???
by jmiddlebrooks＠datalink.com 18 May '00

18 May '00

Has anybody had any thoughts or done any testing with the following configuration? Basically connecting a Netapp into a SAN for backups not storage. One Netapp F760 One extra Fibre Card in the Netapp One Firbre Switch (Brocade or Ancor) One Tape Library connected into the Fibre Switch. Veritas Netbackup and NDMP Solaris or NT Netbackup Master and several Media servers Connect the Netapp into the swtich with the extra fibre connection. Zone the switch so the Netapp and two tape drives are tied together. Backup driectly to the tape drives by using NDMP. My questions to Netapp are: 1) Is this possible? 2) How would the Netapp log into the switch? As a Loop or Fabric? 3) What is the solution for backing up a Netapp directly to Fibre tape drives? 4) What is supported? I am going to test what I thank will work but any thoughts or ideas would be helpful. Jason Middlebrooks Systems Engineer Datalink Corp. 888-933-9327 x2970

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RE: Attaching a Netapp to Fibre Tape drives in a SAN?
by Grant.Melvin＠netapp.com 18 May '00

18 May '00

Hi, > It can be, considering that often it is cheaper to buy the > hardware to set up your own dedicated backup LAN than buying > the hardware to set up your own dedicated backup SAN. In fact NetApp is working to offer solutions in both areas. The FC SAN area discussed earlier today and via the Open Storage Networking (OSN) Initiative that was announced at N+I last week: http://www.netapp.com/news/press/news_rel_20000510.html If you were at the show you would have seen a pre-production ATL P3000 running an NDMP tape server within the library with backups of a GbE connected filer via a Cisco & Foundry GbE/100bT switch. The tape library was connected to the switch(es) via 100bT. Yip, network attached tape libraries will soon be with us. Cheers, Grant -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Sterling Woodcock [mailto:sirbruce@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:57 PM To: foo; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Attaching a Netapp to Fibre Tape drives in a SAN? > As far as I know, there still exists no sane backup strategy for multiple > filers, unless you think having one tape library per filer or backing up > multiple terabytes of data over the network and through some kind of > backup management box is sane. It can be, considering that often it is cheaper to buy the hardware to set up your own dedicated backup LAN than buying the hwardware to set up your own dedicated backup SAN. But if you have a pre-existing SAN and a Vixel switch, NTAP's new solution seems ideal. Bruce

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RE: Attaching a Netapp to Fibre Tape drives in a SAN???
by Grant.Melvin＠netapp.com 17 May '00

17 May '00

Hi Jason, This configuration is planned to FCS on the F760 (and possibly the F740) in early June. The configuration will be tightly managed and sold by our tape library partners, ATL & Spectra Logic. This is currently being tested by NetApp, ATL, Spectra Logic, Legato & Veritas using Data Ontap 5.3.6 (expected FCS 5/26/00). We are working with our partners to get all the relevant docs available on our perspective web sites in this timeframe too. My questions to Netapp are: 1) Is this possible? Yes, with a limited configuration, ATL P1000 or Spectra Logic 10000F and Vixel 8100 (with NAS firmware). 2) How would the Netapp log into the switch? As a Loop or Fabric? The NAS firmware in the 8100 provides "Loop Emulation" so each filer sees FC-AL and believes it has a locally attached tape library. 3) What is the solution for backing up a Netapp directly to Fibre tape drives? NDMP-compliant applications such as Legato BudTool & Veritas NetBackup are being certified. However, rsh dumps via cron will still be supported. 4) What is supported? As Darleen points out, check the http://www.netapp.com/news/press/news_rel_20000202.html announcement. Cheers, Grant =========== grant(a)netapp.com ========== Grant Melvin === === Software Development Manager === === Data Availability & Management === |\ | __ ___ /\ __ __ === Network Appliance === | \ | |__ | /__\ |__| |__| === 495 East Java Drive === | \| |__ | / \ | | (R) === Sunnyvale === === California, 94089 === === Tel:(408)822-6761 =========== Network Appliance ========== Fax:(408)822-4559 -----Original Message----- From: Cormier, Darleen Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 8:40 AM To: jmiddlebrooks(a)datalink.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: Engineering(a)datalink.com Subject: RE: Attaching a Netapp to Fibre Tape drives in a SAN??? Hi Jason, Yep we do, with a few differences. The solution that has been tested and certified is as follows. NetApp filer Vixel 8100 switch ( with special NAS firmware) Veritas or Legato software Spectralogic or ATL libraries The press release announcing this can be found at www.netapp.com/news/press/news_rel_20000202.html also if you check the Spectralogic web site and the Vixel web site they have more information. FYI, NetApps does not sell the pieces and integration for this solution but several of our resellers do. -----Original Message----- From: jmiddlebrooks(a)datalink.com [mailto:jmiddlebrooks@datalink.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:51 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: Engineering(a)datalink.com Subject: Attaching a Netapp to Fibre Tape drives in a SAN??? Has anybody had any thoughts or done any testing with the following configuration? Basically connecting a Netapp into a SAN for backups not storage. One Netapp F760 One extra Fibre Card in the Netapp One Firbre Switch (Brocade or Ancor) One Tape Library connected into the Fibre Switch. Veritas Netbackup and NDMP Solaris or NT Netbackup Master and several Media servers Connect the Netapp into the swtich with the extra fibre connection. Zone the switch so the Netapp and two tape drives are tied together. Backup driectly to the tape drives by using NDMP. My questions to Netapp are: 1) Is this possible? 2) How would the Netapp log into the switch? As a Loop or Fabric? 3) What is the solution for backing up a Netapp directly to Fibre tape drives? 4) What is supported? I am going to test what I thank will work but any thoughts or ideas would be helpful. Jason Middlebrooks Systems Engineer Datalink Corp. 888-933-9327 x2970

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RE: Attaching a Netapp to Fibre Tape drives in a SAN???
by Darleen.Cormier＠netapp.com 17 May '00

17 May '00

Hi Jason, Yep we do, with a few differences. The solution that has been tested and certified is as follows. NetApp filer Vixel 8100 switch ( with special NAS firmware) Veritas or Legato software Spectralogic or ATL libraries The press release announcing this can be found at www.netapp.com/news/press/news_rel_20000202.html also if you check the Spectralogic web site and the Vixel web site they have more information. FYI, NetApps does not sell the pieces and integration for this solution but several of our resellers do. -----Original Message----- From: jmiddlebrooks(a)datalink.com [mailto:jmiddlebrooks@datalink.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 17, 2000 6:51 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: Engineering(a)datalink.com Subject: Attaching a Netapp to Fibre Tape drives in a SAN??? Has anybody had any thoughts or done any testing with the following configuration? Basically connecting a Netapp into a SAN for backups not storage. One Netapp F760 One extra Fibre Card in the Netapp One Firbre Switch (Brocade or Ancor) One Tape Library connected into the Fibre Switch. Veritas Netbackup and NDMP Solaris or NT Netbackup Master and several Media servers Connect the Netapp into the swtich with the extra fibre connection. Zone the switch so the Netapp and two tape drives are tied together. Backup driectly to the tape drives by using NDMP. My questions to Netapp are: 1) Is this possible? 2) How would the Netapp log into the switch? As a Loop or Fabric? 3) What is the solution for backing up a Netapp directly to Fibre tape drives? 4) What is supported? I am going to test what I thank will work but any thoughts or ideas would be helpful. Jason Middlebrooks Systems Engineer Datalink Corp. 888-933-9327 x2970

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RE: Network Appliance Upgrade to ONTAP 5.3.4R3P2 and Backups
by Micheler Klaus (MDCA Villach) 17 May '00

17 May '00

On Thu, Apr 20, 2000 at 11:37:35AM -0400, Kelly Wyatt wrote: >> We upgraded out filers to NetApp Release 5.3.4R3P2 this weekend. Since then, NBU 3.2 keeps downing the tape drives on several, but not all of the filers (3 of 9). This seems to happen before, during and after backups. >> >> Has anyone else seen this? Thanks!! >we saw this on previous versions of NBU, 3.1.*, the work around was really >lame. cron executed a script which did something like: vmoprcmd -up # for >each drive. Hi there! We also have the same problem with this release of Ontap and Netbackup v3.2. According to Netapp the cause of this problem is a faulty Java Class (Garbage collection) which NDMP uses. This should also be the reason for the problems with Ontap 5.3.5xxx, where the problem got critical and backup stopped working. Netapp recommended us to switch to Ontap 5.3.5R2P1, where the NDMP-BUG is (hopefully) fixed. regards, Klaus Micheler Infineon Technologies DC

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