toasters December 2000

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RE: Qualstar AIT-2 and Veritas
by BrianH＠dice.com 10 Dec '00

10 Dec '00

I use a qualstar 4660 to backup my two 760's. It works great. It is fully supported by my 760's and 740's. I have never had any problems with it. You are right on the LVD comment. Except Qualstar can get you HVD drives if you request them. It was like a $400 option to get all the drives in HVD. The only problem I had then, was I had to get a HVD scsi card to control the robot arm, which was harder to find. I cannot comment on Veritas, I was unable to eval their product because they do not support NDMP on anything but solaris. --Brian -----Original Message----- From: Moshe Linzer To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Sent: 12/10/00 5:59 AM Subject: Qualstar AIT-2 and Veritas In our quest for a Budtool + tape library replacement, we are currently looking at Veritas NetBackup and a Qualstar AIT-2 tape library for our 2 NetApp F760's. Does anyone have experience with this combination? Qualstar makes a good argument for AIT technology. Is AIT-2 fully supported on the 760? From looking on NOW, I noticed a few things: 1. The F760 SCSI port is HVD, Qualstar library is LVD-SE, so I need a converter. Can the Filer port be changed to LVD-SE? 2. Tape drive matrix on NOW (http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/olio/cert_matrices/tape_drives .shtml) says that versions below OnTap 6.0 require a PVR. What exactly is a PVR? Will I still get full performance from the drive? Is anyone using Veritas with a Qualstar library? Thanks, Moshe -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ----- Moshe Linzer | On the Internet, Unix Systems Manager | National Semiconductor, Israel | nobody knows you're a moron. Phone: 972-9-970-2247 | Fax: 972-9-970-2001 | - Network Magazine Email: moshel(a)nsc.com | ------------------------------------------------------------------------ -----

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Qualstar AIT-2 and Veritas
by Moshe Linzer 10 Dec '00

10 Dec '00

In our quest for a Budtool + tape library replacement, we are currently looking at Veritas NetBackup and a Qualstar AIT-2 tape library for our 2 NetApp F760's. Does anyone have experience with this combination? Qualstar makes a good argument for AIT technology. Is AIT-2 fully supported on the 760? From looking on NOW, I noticed a few things: 1. The F760 SCSI port is HVD, Qualstar library is LVD-SE, so I need a converter. Can the Filer port be changed to LVD-SE? 2. Tape drive matrix on NOW (http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/olio/cert_matrices/tape_drives.sht…) says that versions below OnTap 6.0 require a PVR. What exactly is a PVR? Will I still get full performance from the drive? Is anyone using Veritas with a Qualstar library? Thanks, Moshe -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moshe Linzer | On the Internet, Unix Systems Manager | National Semiconductor, Israel | nobody knows you're a moron. Phone: 972-9-970-2247 | Fax: 972-9-970-2001 | - Network Magazine Email: moshel(a)nsc.com | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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Netapp 840: 2 CPUs?
by Nicolas Perreten 09 Dec '00

09 Dec '00

We've noticed that the 840 system board has room for 2 CPUs although it only uses one. (The second slot is occupied by a "dummy" CPU). I've heard rumors that Netapp will be releasing another version of ONTAP which would make it possible to drop another Intel CPU and therefore improving performance. Has anyone heard the same? Nicolas Perreten Sr. Systems Architect Inquent Technologies Inc.

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NetCache Configuration Brain damage.
by Jaye Mathisen 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

2 identical Netcache's, 1 configured the way I want it, the other a blank slate. Both running 5.0D6. There seems to be no way to just take the config of one, change the IP (all the rest of the info is the same), and just stuff it back in the other cache. Instead, there's some monumentally convoluted multi-cache configuration BS that has to be gone through. Crap. Am I the only person out there that just wants 2 caches to work alike? And while the 5.0 GUI is vastly better than the 4.x gui, I am loathe to spend an hour clicking my way through all those damn screens *WHEN I HAVE A PERFECTLY GOOD CONFIGURATION FILE READY TO BE UPLOADED DAMMIT*.

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Re:SYNCSORT BACKUP EXPRESS
by Robert Souder 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

>> Anybody out there in Toasterland using SyncSort Backup Express? Would >> appreciate any first-hand insight -- I have a customer asking me to price it >> out for him, and I'd like to know how it stacks up vs. other products I know >> better (Veritas, Legato, CommVault, Workstation Solutions, etc.). TIA. Joe >> >>>I've been evaluating Backup Express for a little while now. >>>Along with Time Navigator (maybe Veritas soon). We eliminated >>>all the others for one reason or another. >>>There are alot of thing in BackEx I like (as compared to Tina) >>>but there are two big problems that we've found with it. The tape >>>duplication process tries to make an exact copy of the tape. For >>>Vault copies this can be a concern if you dest tape is a bit shorter >>>than the original. The data will just fall off the end of the tape. >>>Plus the software feels somewhat on the flaky side. I'm finding >>>a variety of things that should work but don't, plus having to restart >>>the GUI or the deamons to get things working again (like when it stopped >>>showing me the media report information). Talking with some people here >>>at the LISA show, they feel the same way. That BackEx is not as >>>stable as something like Veritas or Legato's products. >>>-- >>>Jeff Bryer bryer(a)sfu.ca >>>Systems Administrator (604) 291-4935 >>>Academic Computing, Simon Fraser University Jeff, We too have been evaluating and using Backup Express and have been very happy with it and the support received from Syncsort. They are one of the only ones that have a functional NDMP backup product that met our needs. The other companies like Veritas and Legato failed with either lack of support for robot capabilities or other technical reasons. As for restarting the GUI or daemons, we have not experienced this. Not to say we haven't experienced problems, but any problem we have encountered has been quickly answered by one of their support tech's. If they can't answer it they will get back to us usually within an hour. Bob Souder souder(a)super.org IDA - Center for Computing Sciences (CCS) (301) 805-7371

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Antivirus Scanning NTFS shares?
by Witham, John 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

Hi All: I've read NetApp just partnered with the big 3 AV vendors [http://quicken.excite.com/investments/news/story/bw/?story=/news/stories/bw /20001129/a2086.htm&symbol=NTAP] BUT, having had to dig myself out of a loveletter reincarnation recently, I'm looking for some input on what other sysadmins do to keep their NetApps free of buggies. I just want something to tide us over until the vaporware AVOnTap becomes a reality. TIA! -john John Witham MCSE, MCP+i, A+ Systems Engineer Takeda Pharmaceuticals America, Inc. V://847.383.3304 F://847.383.3205 mailto://jwitham@takedapharm.com

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RE: SYNCSORT BACKUP EXPRESS
by BrianH＠dice.com 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

I agree with that. I also looked at the same set of software, I gave up on Time Navigator pretty quickly. It took about 4 hours to get the initial demo working, and that was with their support engineer. Once I was able to get it working, I find out that they dont support my Qualstar Library, at least until the next version. I also could not use Veritas since it was NT and Solaris only. I wanted to run my master server on Linux. So far we have had pretty good luck with BackEx, the only problems so far is backups that fail and then the netapp locks that snapshot. --Brian -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Bryer [mailto:bryer@sfu.ca] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 4:40 PM To: joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: SYNCSORT BACKUP EXPRESS > Anybody out there in Toasterland using SyncSort Backup Express? Would > appreciate any first-hand insight -- I have a customer asking me to price it > out for him, and I'd like to know how it stacks up vs. other products I know > better (Veritas, Legato, CommVault, Workstation Solutions, etc.). TIA. Joe > I've been evaluating Backup Express for a little while now. Along with Time Navigator (maybe Veritas soon). We eliminated all the others for one reason or another. There are alot of thing in BackEx I like (as compared to Tina) but there are two big problems that we've found with it. The tape duplication process tries to make an exact copy of the tape. For Vault copies this can be a concern if you dest tape is a bit shorter than the original. The data will just fall off the end of the tape. Plus the software feels somewhat on the flaky side. I'm finding a variety of things that should work but don't, plus having to restart the GUI or the deamons to get things working again (like when it stopped showing me the media report information). Talking with some people here at the LISA show, they feel the same way. That BackEx is not as stable as something like Veritas or Legato's products. -- Jeff Bryer bryer(a)sfu.ca Systems Administrator (604) 291-4935 Academic Computing, Simon Fraser University

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RE: NTFS auditing?
by Watson, Dan 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

Hi Brian, We do not yet support viewing the adtlog.evt file directly on the Filer. You will need to move the file to an NT client and then view it with Event Viewer locally. I am not aware of a Unix utility that is able to read the .evt file format. Best, Dan -----Original Message----- From: Brian Tao [mailto:taob@risc.org] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 17:42 To: Benn, Paul Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: NTFS auditing? On Thu, 7 Dec 2000, Benn, Paul wrote: > > It's pretty easy to setup and is documented in the System > Administrators guide (if yours are old, you can download a new one > in PDF from NOW). Ah, I see... you just point the NT Event Viewer utility to the file generated by the Netapp. Is there a UNIX utility to view the adtlog.evt file? -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob(a)risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"

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RE: NTFS auditing?
by Benn, Paul 08 Dec '00

08 Dec '00

Brian, Yes, filers support NTFS-style auditing using the NT Event Viewer. Pre-6.0 versions of Data ONTAP allow "read" and "write" auditing for individual users. ONTAP 6.0 and later allows auditing of "read," "write," "execute," "change ownership" and take ownership." Other enhancements to the auditing in 6.0 include the ability to set a maximum log file size as well as the ability to use the group "Everyone" (versus having to enter individual account names). It's pretty easy to setup and is documented in the System Administrators guide (if yours are old, you can download a new one in PDF from NOW). Regards, Paul Benn Network Appliance -----Original Message----- From: Brian Tao [mailto:taob@risc.org] Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2000 10:41 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: NTFS auditing? Has anyone heard of "NTFS write auditing"? A group within our company would like that enabled for files in a certain directory so they can track who is modifying files. Is this a feature of NTFS itself, or is this achievable over CIFS to a filer? I'm asking this in the context of a Netapp serving up the data, of course. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob(a)risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"

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Speaking of NetApp User Groups...
by Jeffrey Krueger 07 Dec '00

07 Dec '00

As far as I'm aware, toasters is about the only user community effort going on for NetApps. Are there others? Namely other discussion groups, websites, or user groups. I've never heard of any and so have pretty much assumed that this is it. -- Jeff -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Krueger, NetApp CA E-Mail: jeff(a)qualcomm.com Senior Engineer Phone: 858-651-6709 NetApp Filers / UNIX Infrastructure Fax: 858-651-6627 QUALCOMM, Inc. IT Engineering Web: www.qualcomm.com

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