toasters June 1999

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Re: the virus
by Jason D. Kelleher 14 Jun '99

14 Jun '99

In message <1BF7EB8768B8D211B29400E02905846232C38F(a)atlas.rsinc.com>, Jim San ford writes: >Public canings are an option, but how about a public "live hookup" to about >4000 volts?? Wouldn't smell as nice, but I think it's an alternative worth considering... :) jason

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RE: Quickest way to move data.
by Melvin, Grant 14 Jun '99

14 Jun '99

Hi Shaun, > We would like to know what would be the quickest way to get the data moved > from one system to the other. Doing it accross our 100Mb net could take a > couple of days, which is unacceptable. Could we put a scsi card in the > F740, attach our F540's shelves and do volcopys? Any other suggestions? We > need the downtime to be the absolute minimum. We've recently updated "Migrating Data Between NetApp Filers" paper on the NetApp web site. Hopefully this can be of some help in explaining the different methods that we support, check it out at: http://www.netapp.com/technology/level3/3018.html > Also, if it's fibre-channel only, how am I supposed to attach my > scsi-based DLT jukebox, so I can continue to back up the replacement filer > via NDMP? Is there a scsi port on an F740, just for use by a tape drive? The F700 series has an on-board fast/wide/differential for tape backup. Cheers, Grant

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RE: the virus
by Jim Sanford 14 Jun '99

14 Jun '99

Public canings are an option, but how about a public "live hookup" to about 4000 volts?? ********************************* Jim Sanford IS Department Research Systems, Inc. ********************************* -----Original Message----- From: Marc A Levy [mailto:malevy@dnrc.bell-labs.com] Sent: Monday, June 14, 1999 8:46 AM To: Jason D. Kelleher Cc: tkaczma(a)gryf.net; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: the virus In theory, The worm/trojan he wrote could have deleted the research for the drug that would one day save his life... "Jason D. Kelleher" wrote: > > In message <Pine.LNX.4.04.9906111910090.1584-100000(a)gryf.gryf.net>, tkaczma@ > gryf.net writes: > > > >On Fri, 11 Jun 1999, Brian Pawlowski wrote: > > > >> Were any customers on this alias affected by the worm? > >> I will understand if you don't want to tell me. > > > >I didn't , I feel left out. I don't think the trojan worm made it out to > >the alias. > > I got a copy of it, but wasn't affected. Large mailing lists in > address books give these "new" worms interesting vectors. The > subject "RE: Early Access" combined with the worm message text and > the fact that it came from a vendor employee gave it a nice > illusion of legitimacy. Unpleasant. > > So, quick vote: Those in favor of public canings for virus authors > say aye. > > jason

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14 Jun '99

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Re: Quickest way to move data.
by grdodson＠lexmark.com 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

> We would like to know what would be the quickest way to get the data moved > from one system to the other. Doing it accross our 100Mb net could take a > couple of days, which is unacceptable. Could we put a scsi card in the > F740, attach our F540's shelves and do volcopys? Any other suggestions? We > need the downtime to be the absolute minimum. You don't say how much data is on your F540. And assuming you don't want to risk "moving your problem" to the F740 by attaching/installing H/W from the F530 on the F740, my suggestion would be "ndmpcopy". We get about 10GB to 12GB transfer speeds with ndmpcopy between two filers on full duplex 100M ethernet. It's MUCH faster than a tar or dump/restore over the net. But it will not copy your snapshots. > Also, if it's fibre-channel only, how am I supposed to attach my > scsi-based DLT jukebox, so I can continue to back up the replacement filer > via NDMP? Is there a scsi port on an F740, just for use by a tape drive? Our F760 has a DIFFERENTIAL wide SCSI port on the motherboard. (for tapes) I suspect the F740 would be the same. The key word here is "differential". I suspect that your F540 is single ended, so you will need a converter to attach your DLTs to the F740 Graydon Dodson grdodson(a)lexmark.com Lexmark International Inc.

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Re: AFS/DFS??!! :-) (and FTP!)
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 13 Jun '99

13 Jun '99

On 06/12/99 11:04:25 you wrote: > >> BTW, did NetApp ever consider putting AFS on the Filers? >Excellent question! >I keep asking NetApp every couple of years since about '94 for DFS >and the answer, of course diplomatic, is a firm 'no' followed >by "there is not enough market for DFS, NT will be our next target". DFS is a pretty small market. AFS isn't much better, assuming you mean Andrew. If you're talking Apple, now there's a potential market. A high-performance Apple file server would be welcome to a lot of folks. However, I don't know what Apple's plans are for the future; are they moving away from their filesystem format? Personally I'd like to see the filer have native FTP support. Just stick wuftpd in there and optimize the file transfer. Lots of ftp sites on the Internet would love it. (FTP direct to the filer rather than through a server to a filer should be measurably faster just like doing HTTP direct is.) Bruce

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RE: Metadata preservation during network file backup
by Benn, Paul 12 Jun '99

12 Jun '99

Hi Tom, Do you mean: "does UNIX support ACLs"? Some flavors of UNIX (e.g. Solaris) support their own proprietary ACLs (and as far as I know, none of the UNIX ACLs are compatible with each other). The filer does not support UNIX ACLs, just UNIX-style file permissions. UNIX file permissions are retained when backing up a filer via NFS or CIFS. NT ACLs are NOT retained when backing up a multiprotocol filer via NFS. Regards, Paul -----Original Message----- From: tkaczma(a)gryf.net [mailto:tkaczma@gryf.net] Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 1999 1:35 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Metadata preservation during network file backup On Tue, 8 Jun 1999, Itzik (Itzhak) Meirson DSc. wrote: > If backing up this share from CIFS will the NFS ACLs be preserved upon > restore? Does NFS support ACLs? Tom

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Quickest way to move data.
by Shaun T. Erickson 12 Jun '99

12 Jun '99

We are experiencing major problems with our F540. NetApp is working with us on it. While trying to get us through our crisis, they have also suggested that they may temporarily provide us with an F740, complete with enough fibre-channel disks to hold the data on our F540. We would like to know what would be the quickest way to get the data moved from one system to the other. Doing it accross our 100Mb net could take a couple of days, which is unacceptable. Could we put a scsi card in the F740, attach our F540's shelves and do volcopys? Any other suggestions? We need the downtime to be the absolute minimum. Also, if it's fibre-channel only, how am I supposed to attach my scsi-based DLT jukebox, so I can continue to back up the replacement filer via NDMP? Is there a scsi port on an F740, just for use by a tape drive? -ste Work: (908) 582-7629 Pager: (800) 756-1133 Cell: (201) 310-9941

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Re: Quickest way to move data.
by mds＠gbnet.net 12 Jun '99

12 Jun '99

BareMetalMove, or whatever it's called now, worked very well a year or so ago and I imagine that your SE's can help you set up something along those lines with a back-to-back 100BaseTX-fd connection. FDDI also works quite well. I seem to recall that we got about 5MB/s from a 1400 to an F330 over a FDDI connection. I'd be surprised if you couldn't get a fair bit closer to wire speed between an F540 and an F740. It tooks us just over 1hour 20minutes to move our 20GB of data from the 486-based filer to the P90 - which I recall blew me away totally. Now, I'm presuming you've got a maximally configured F540 (in terms of disk) which ISTR is about 300GB. 300GB, at 10MB/s (wire-speed on 100BaseTX-fd) takes about 9 hours. If it goes at 5MB/s it takes 18 hours. If you've got less *used* disk-space it takes less time. ISTR that BMM makes a verbatim, swizzled copy of the filer so I don't think you lose snapshots or anything. The only thing to be careful of is the DOT version installed (being alpha - should be okey) on the new filer, and the network interface references in hosts and rc before booting it and getting going. Plus there was some slight untidiness in the final part of the BMM when I used it a goodly while ago - I think it needed to be booted without the contents of NVRAM or somesuch, which was fine because it wasn't actually normal fs data in there, though I'm probably misremembering totally now. Doing this stuff over a normal network, or with either filer up and serving is a different, and slower, matter. You'd probably need to use ndmpcopy or something and that's a bizarre fish from what I've experienced. On Sat 12 Jun, 1999, "Shaun T. Erickson" <ste(a)research.bell-labs.com> wrote: > While trying to get us through our crisis, they have also suggested that > they may temporarily provide us with an F740, complete with enough > fibre-channel disks to hold the data on our F540. Sounds good - it'll go faster too 8) > > We would like to know what would be the quickest way to get the data moved > from one system to the other. Doing it accross our 100Mb net could take a > couple of days, which is unacceptable. Could we put a scsi card in the > F740, attach our F540's shelves and do volcopys? Any other suggestions? We > need the downtime to be the absolute minimum. You might be able to do that - but I'd keep the F540 integral so it *can* be fixed, and avoid importing weird configs into the machine your going to use to tide you over until the normal box is working again. > > Also, if it's fibre-channel only, how am I supposed to attach my > scsi-based DLT jukebox, so I can continue to back up the replacement filer > via NDMP? Is there a scsi port on an F740, just for use by a tape drive? SCSI connections to tape drives are still there. Upto two controllers with two drives on each tape chain IIRC. Fibrechannel tape controllers are not common yet, so your DLT will be supported for a goodly while yet. > > -ste > > Work: (908) 582-7629 Pager: (800) 756-1133 Cell: (201) 310-9941 > >-- End of excerpt from "Shaun T. Erickson"

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Re: the virus
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 12 Jun '99

12 Jun '99

On 06/11/99 11:54:02 you wrote: >The nice thing about using linux/unix is that all those viruses cann't do >much. The bad thing about linux/unix is that when you get hacked it is >messy! It depends on the environment. You'd be surprised the number of companies that have poor internal unix security, because they don't want to invest the time and money on something they may never need. Many IT professionals fail the understand the cost of bad internal security.

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