Hi there,
wow, thank you very much for all your help!
Yes, I'm now more confused than before, but please let me summarize all of your statements in my words:
* CBS is a solution to backup non S3 local NetApp volumes (flex vols) to Cloud providers or StorageGrid? * S3 Snampmirror is only for S3 storage to S3 storage, example on-prem Ontap can also have S3 object storage and this I could sync to AWS S3 for example * NetApp Cloud backup is somehow quite new and should compete with 3rd party backup vendors to use NetApp built in backup features to backup to cloud storage or on-prem storage-grid * there will be in future maybe different backup targets, but not for now * Snapdiff v3 is the only remaining snapdiff version and with this, I could do backup snapshot diffs block wise? * Only a few 3rd party backup solutions are supporting this, but those can be used to fully backup an on-prem NetApp Ontap cluster and its volumes * NDMP is quite old and can I do with this differential backups of NetApp volumes using snapshots? * Should snapdiff v3 replace this? * Best way to backup an on-prem NetApp Ontap Cluster would be a second NetApp cluster using snapmirror / snapvault
As I understand this correctly, if I want to backup a NetApp Ontap Cluster with only flex volumes, I can use another NetApp with snapmirror, or a NetApp StorageGrid, or some special 3rd party backup solutions, which support snapdiff v3?
Sorry for so much questions, but this is not easy to understand all the possibilities.
Best regards, Florian
Von: "Wayne McCormick" Wayne.McCormick@sjrb.ca An: "Heino Walther" hw@beardmann.dk, "Justin Parisi" Justin.Parisi@netapp.com, "Florian Schmid" fschmid@ubimet.com, "toasters" toasters@teaparty.net Gesendet: Montag, 28. November 2022 17:39:16 Betreff: RE: NetApp backup to 3rd party S3 storage
Umm, with ONTAP 9.9.1 and later there is SnapMIrror Cloud.
[ https://docs.netapp.com/us-en/ontap/task_dp_back_up_to_cloud.html#add-a-clou... | https://docs.netapp.com/us-en/ontap/task_dp_back_up_to_cloud.html#add-a-clou... ]
So, yes, you can backup a FlexVol to S3, but the target appears to be limited to ONTAP S3 or StorageGRID at the moment.
Wayne
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Please note, that S3 SnapMirror cannot snapmirror a FlexVol, but only your S3 buckets located on your ONTAP Filer…
There is no way to backup a FlexVol (and restore it as a FlexVol) other than with SnapMirror/Vault or NDMP.
…and there most likely never will be
/Heino
Fra: Parisi, Justin < [ mailto:Justin.Parisi@netapp.com | Justin.Parisi@netapp.com ] > Dato: mandag, 28. november 2022 kl. 15.32 Til: Heino Walther < [ mailto:hw@beardmann.dk | hw@beardmann.dk ] >, Florian Schmid < [ mailto:fschmid@ubimet.com | fschmid@ubimet.com ] >, [ mailto:toasters@teaparty.net | toasters@teaparty.net ] < [ mailto:toasters@teaparty.net | toasters@teaparty.net ] > Emne: Re: NetApp backup to 3rd party S3 storage
No, that's FabricPool/cloud tiering. (older blocks, needing license for non-NetApp)
SnapMirror S3 is what Florian is referring to.
[ https://docs.netapp.com/us-en/ontap/s3-snapmirror/index.html | https://docs.netapp.com/us-en/ontap/s3-snapmirror/index.html ]
" In addition, unlike standard SnapMirror, S3 SnapMirror can have non-NetApp destinations."
[ https://docs.netapp.com/us-en/ontap/s3-snapmirror/index.html ]
[ https://docs.netapp.com/us-en/ontap/s3-snapmirror/index.html | S3 SnapMirror overview - NetApp ]
Beginning with ONTAP 9.10.1, you can protect buckets in ONTAP S3 object stores using familiar SnapMirror mirroring and backup functionality
docs.netapp.com
So far, looks like there may be a limited number of non-NetApp targets supported (perhaps just AWS S3) but that list likely will grow.
You can also leverage 3 rd party like Cleondris for index:
[ https://www.cleondris.com/en/snapmirror-cloud.xhtml | https://www.cleondris.com/en/snapmirror-cloud.xhtml ]
[ https://www.cleondris.com/en/snapmirror-cloud.xhtml | Cleondris: SnapMirror Cloud ]
Cleondris and NetApp are pleased to announce availability of SnapMirror Cloud support in the Cleondris Data Manager product. Cleondris orchestrates and manages backup and recovery of data on NetApp ONTAP systems directly to Object storage (S3) leveraging NetApp's SnapMirror Cloud technology.. Due to is its deep integration with ONTAP APIs, Cleondris is able to backup data from ONTAP using the ...
[ http://www.cleondris.com/ | www.cleondris.com ]
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Hi Florian
The short answer is no.
What the cloud-backup as you call it, does, it to move “older” datablocks to an S3 target or it can move blocks in your snapshots.
So the information of where the blocks are stored is still in the original volume, and you need to back that information up either by SnapMirror/Vault or an NDMP dump.
Also, if you plan using anything else than another ONTAP or StorageGRID, you will need to buy license…
If you do not have another NetApp system to SnapMirror to, I would look into NDMP backup as an option… it is supported by most backup products like BackupExec etc…
/Heino
Fra: Florian Schmid < [ mailto:fschmid@ubimet.com | fschmid@ubimet.com ] > Dato: mandag, 28. november 2022 kl. 14.45 Til: [ mailto:toasters@teaparty.net | toasters@teaparty.net ] < [ mailto:toasters@teaparty.net | toasters@teaparty.net ] > Emne: NetApp backup to 3rd party S3 storage
Hi there, I wanted to ask, if someone knows or has this done already, if you can backup your on premise NetApp Ontap volumes to a 3rd party S3 storage. As far as I understand this so called "cloud-backup", it can send snapshot diffs (block based) to a S3 storage like AWS or on-premise StorageGrid nodes. But would this also work to 3rd party S3 storage tools like minIO? Let's image we have a huge on-premise S3 storage running minIO or what ever vendor, can I use this also as a target for my Ontap volume backup? NetApp itself is only mentioning 3rd party S3 storage for tiering, but not for backup. If this is not possible, is there another possibility to backup volume snapshot diffs to a non netapp storage? It must be block based and not file based backup. Best regards Florian