On 2022-11-28 17:22, Douglas Siggins wrote:
Can someone please clarify this for me? My understanding is that cloud backup is just scheduling the snap diff v3 to object storage. You could get similar functionality by any vendor that netapp approves, of which I believe there are 4 others?
First of all: nothing of what I write below has anything to do with "S3 Bucket mirror" from a Primary ONTAP system which does S3 storage.
CBS (Cloud Backup Service) is something that originally runs in-Cloud only. That's where it was always meant to live. But now it can also run "off-Cloud" (= on-prem), in something called NetApp Cloud Manager Dark Site Edition. Which you'd then need to install in your own environment first, I think it's a VM (ESXi) image for example. CBS an orchestrator which uses SnapDiff v3 and leverage SnapMirror Cloud to take "snapshots" (block diffs just like SnapMirror/-Vault does) and puts it in an S3 Bucket. For on-prem S3 systems, only StorageGRID and ONTAP are approved today. Not minIO or anything else.
There are other vendors yes, tech partners, which have paid NetApp to use SnapDiff v3 and SnapMirror Cloud in the same fashion CBS does. That product, e.g. Cleondris Appliance or Rubrik Foundation Suite, then does all the orchestration and configuration of your backups, the work that SnapVault does inside ONTAP traditionally. That product will have to keep track of all the files and blocks, what belongs where: all the backup metadata. All that which a SnapVault target system's ONTAP (WAFL) will keep track of traditionally.
To use a 3rd party product in that list, you need to purchase something called HCB (Hybrid Cloud Bundle) from NetApp. To enable the SM Cloud + SnapDiff v3 from the ONTAP side so to speak. You have to pay for it per TiB (Tebibyte) "physical used data" which you have backed up to your S3 target system. The definition of this is as opposed to "logical used data" which CBS uses. I won't go into the distinction here because I do not want to cause even more confusion. All this *is* confusing, indeed. Talk to your account team and force them to penetrate this and explain it to you properly!
Douglas Siggins wrote:
I tried getting licenses to try this on premise to ontap s3 and was immediately turned away. It's super unclear how netapp intends to position this cloud. Has anyone been able to try the inbuilt backup to an ontap or grid target?
Hm. Interesting. You were "turned away"...? By your account team at NetApp? I agree that things are rather unclear around this. If you wish to use CBS on-prem, then clearly as things have progressed these days NetApp compete directly with their tech partners products: Rubrik, Cleondris, ProLion, CommVault (those which have licensed SnapDiff v3). The price models are in constant flux and have been for at least 12 months. It's confusing and can only get better for us who have huge on-prem environments and want to leverage at least some of the new in-Cloud cleverness NetApp has come up with over the past 24 months.
/M
-------- Original Message -------- Subject: SV: NetApp backup to 3rd party S3 storage Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2022 14:03:38 +0000 From: Heino Walther hw@beardmann.dk To: Florian Schmid fschmid@ubimet.com, "toasters@teaparty.net" toasters@teaparty.net
Hi Florian
The short answer is no.
What the cloud-backup as you call it, does, it to move older datablocks to an S3 target or it can move blocks in your snapshots.
So the information of where the blocks are stored is still in the original volume, and you need to back that information up either by SnapMirror/Vault or an NDMP dump.
Also, if you plan using anything else than another ONTAP or StorageGRID, you will need to buy license
If you do not have another NetApp system to SnapMirror to, I would look into NDMP backup as an option it is supported by most backup products like BackupExec etc
/Heino
*Fra: *Florian Schmid fschmid@ubimet.com *Dato: *mandag, 28. november 2022 kl. 14.45 *Til: *toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.net *Emne: *NetApp backup to 3rd party S3 storage
Hi there,
I wanted to ask, if someone knows or has this done already, if you can backup your on premise NetApp Ontap volumes to a 3rd party S3 storage.
As far as I understand this so called "cloud-backup", it can send snapshot diffs (block based) to a S3 storage like AWS or on-premise StorageGrid nodes.
But would this also work to 3rd party S3 storage tools like minIO?
Let's image we have a huge on-premise S3 storage running minIO or what ever vendor, can I use this also as a target for my Ontap volume backup?
NetApp itself is only mentioning 3rd party S3 storage for tiering, but not for backup.
If this is not possible, is there another possibility to backup volume snapshot diffs to a non netapp storage? It must be block based and not file based backup.
Best regards Florian