The carriers are different between a DS212C and a DS460C, which is part of the PN difference. The DS212C uses traditional front-load carriers whereas the DS460C uses a cammed "drop-in" style carrier. I've never tried swapping a disk from one carrier to the other, but I suspect it would work just fine (obviously without support).
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Thus, my more practical concern would be acquiring the carriers along with the DS460C, as normally they come bundled with the drives.
Thanks, Michael
From: Toasters toasters-bounces@teaparty.net on behalf of Sebastian Goetze spgoetze@gmail.com Date: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 at 10:25 AM To: "toasters@teaparty.net" toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Re: Migration to DS4486 shelf?
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Had a closer look, quick checks can be deceiving... :-| On 30.11.2022 16:07, Sebastian Goetze wrote:
I checked in HWU, there's literally no overlap between the disks you can put into a 4486 and the ones in a 212C.
On the other hand, you should be able to use the suggested DS460C. From what I see, all the disks in a DS212C are also supported in the 460C...
Size and Type fit, but the model numbers are actually different.
This time I checked the disks, and which shelved they fit into:
X318A-R6 actually fits into the DS212C (no surprise), but neither the DS4486 nor the DS460C.
Technically I do not really see a problem, but who knows, the available firmware might have something to say about that... e.g.
* X318_HARHE08TA07 in the 212C * X376_HARHE08TA07 in the 460C
Reflash the disks? Hmmmmmmmmm...
/Sebastian
And the offset for the extra cost would be, that you can re-use the IOM12 modules...
/Sebastian
On 30.11.2022 15:59, Tim McCarthy wrote: In any case but even close to supported The disk may be similar but only certain disks are allowed in that shelf and the ones you want to cost over are not those disk. Please stop entertaining this idea especially for a production system. It won’t be trouble waiting to happen
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--tmac
________________________________ From: Heino Walther hw@beardmann.dkmailto:hw@beardmann.dk Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:57:10 AM To: Tim McCarthy tmacmd@gmail.commailto:tmacmd@gmail.com; toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net Subject: SV: Migration to DS4486 shelf?
As far as I can see on Hardware universe, DS4486 is still supported on 9.12.1 😉
But you are right, if ONTAP wants to control which disks are in which raid groups, it may become an issue… it may make good sense, but when going from an existing setup by moving the disks over will require some planning 😉
Anyway, I think the idea is deal because it looks like only SATA and MSATA is supported in the caddies, and my existing disks are SAS…
/Heino
Fra: Tim McCarthy tmacmd@gmail.commailto:tmacmd@gmail.com Dato: onsdag, 30. november 2022 kl. 15.52 Til: Heino Walther hw@beardmann.dkmailto:hw@beardmann.dk, toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net Emne: Re: Migration to DS4486 shelf?
Do not do it. That shelf is end of support. It won’t work properly on current ONTAP versions
Disk failures are a pain. ONTAP prevents two disks in the same caddy from being in the same raid group. When a disk does fail it has to fail the serving drives in the caddy and you replaced two at a time
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--tmac
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From: Toasters toasters-bounces@teaparty.netmailto:toasters-bounces@teaparty.net on behalf of Heino Walther hw@beardmann.dkmailto:hw@beardmann.dk Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2022 8:21:09 AM To: toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net toasters@teaparty.netmailto:toasters@teaparty.net Subject: Migration to DS4486 shelf?
Hi there
Because of space constraints I am planning to move my 3 pcs. DS212C into a DS4486.
But I have a few questions 😊
My existing disks are X318 (8TB NL-SAS), and I think the caddies for the DS4486 are also SAS, so that should technically fit?
Does the NetApp see 24 or 48 disks from the DS4486? Because I plan to reuse existing disks with aggregates on them…
I can see the DS4486 use special PN as spare disks because the caddy has two disks installed. How does NetApp handle the replacement when one disk of the two dies?
I know the healthy disk is also copied to a spare before you can replace the caddy, but do you then replace both disks, or do you just replace the broken disk of the two?
I also have plans on replacing the IOM6 modules with IOM12 just as you can in the DS4246 shelfs.. any issues with that?
I know this is close if not far beyond what is supported 😉
/Heino
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