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RE: SubInACL? What is the most effective method to change permiss ion on CIFSshares?
by Holland, William L 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

Here's a little script I use to set permissions and ownership on our users' home folders. I run this periodically to ensure our quotas are reflecting the proper users: yes.txt simply contains Y with a hard return. na_ntfschown is available from the NOW site in the tools downloads. net use x: \\filer\users <file://\\;filer\users> /persistent:no x: for /d %%f in (*) do cacls %%f /t /c /g Administrators:F System:F domain\%%f:C < pathtoscript\yes.txt for /d %%f in (*) do pathtoscript\na_ntfschown /r domain\%%f %%f c: net use x: /delete _____ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:rkelley@forsythe.com] Sent: Thursday, March 09, 2006 9:48 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: SubInACL? What is the most effective method to change permission on CIFSshares? A project is underway to migrate from an existing local Active Directory domain to a new Global domain. Is the use of Microsoft's SubInACL utility the most effective method to change the file / directory permission for the CIFS shares under Data ONTAP to reflect the new Global domain?

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SubInACL? What is the most effective method to change permission on CIFS shares?
by RJ Kelley 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

A project is underway to migrate from an existing local Active Directory domain to a new Global domain. Is the use of Microsoft's SubInACL utility the most effective method to change the file / directory permission for the CIFS shares under Data ONTAP to reflect the new Global domain?

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RE: wafl scan reallocate
by Glenn Walker 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

Looks like you are doing pretty good... Keep in mind, it's an average, so for specific data sets in the volume it may be much higher (or lower). Workload measurements (statit during specific operations) can tell you much more sometimes. Filling the volume is typically a bad idea (tm) as WAFL will spend more time finding free space to write. If this is a flexvol and the aggr has tons of space available, this is not a concern. 7.X has great improvements on fixing fragmentation and preventative measures to keep it from becoming an issue. Remember: Fragmentation is NORMAL with any filesystem and isn't necessarily a problem. What fragmentation _does_ do is introduce latencies that can be detrimental to responsiveness... sometimes this can be felt (ie, it's a problem), sometimes it cannot be felt... Glenn -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Lori Barfield Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 10:57 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: wafl scan reallocate since toasters said it was harmless, just to find out what kind of fragmentation our normal activity creates, i ran wafl scan measure_layout on our busiest filer. the volume is only about 3-4 months young, but it does get pretty full on a regular basis. here's the output that appeared in my messages file: Tue Mar 7 15:16:36 PST [wafl.scan.start:info]: Starting WAFL layout measurement on volume vol1. Tue Mar 7 16:04:06 PST [wafl.scan.layout.advise:info]: WAFL layout ratio for volume vol1 is 1.26. A ratio of 1 is optimal. Based on your free space, 6.53 is expected. i haven't read up on this at all yet...would someone like to interpret this for us wafl scan newbies? ...lori

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RE: wafl scan reallocate
by Glenn Walker 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

Oh that... the 'free space' statement is just a prediction of how fragmented it THINKS you should be based on the free space available. WAFL writes anywhere it can find a hole on disk (to put it very simply, that is... there is a much more complex algorithm behind it in reality). Given this, when the disk starts filling up, the likelihood of finding non-contiguous blocks increases... meaning with less free space, you should have more fragmentation. I believe that to be the root of the 'free space\fragmentation' statement that wafl scan reallocate gives as output. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Lori Barfield Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 9:25 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: wafl scan reallocate On 3/8/06, Glenn Walker <ggwalker(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > Lori, > > From what I recall about the way WAFL scans, and what I can infer from > that, I don't believe that a fragmented filesystem would make the scan > take any longer. > > If I'm correct in my thinking, it scans the blocks contiguously and > determines how many blocks that belong together (for files) are actually > in the same place. The ratio is where the index comes from... thanks, glen. if it's that simple then i wonder what it's doing with the "free space" factor. ...lori

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RE: wafl scan reallocate
by Glenn Walker 09 Mar '06

09 Mar '06

Lori, From what I recall about the way WAFL scans, and what I can infer from that, I don't believe that a fragmented filesystem would make the scan take any longer. If I'm correct in my thinking, it scans the blocks contiguously and determines how many blocks that belong together (for files) are actually in the same place. The ratio is where the index comes from... Glenn -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Lori Barfield Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 4:12 PM To: philip.boyle(a)eircom.net Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: wafl scan reallocate another data point for the group. the previous scan was run on our busiest filer (an fas270); below is the impact of doing a scan on our largest user data filer. this filer is an fas270 with one ds14. there are 11 disks in the raid group (and aggregate). the volume is only 3-4 months old, but storage utilization vascillates wildly on this puppy but it usually operates above 95% and has run out of space several times in its young life. we are not snapmirroring. i think we are currently using 995gb (.97tb) on the volume including snap, but someone should check my calculation (df below). i started the scan at the beginning of lunchtime, when the filer happened to be nearly quiescent. it took 54 minutes. it killed my cache but only sucked up 7-12% of the cpu. i imagine a low fragmentation condition would make a scan less taxing. ...lori /vol/vol1/ 1132462080KB 917995432KB 214466648KB 81% /vol/vol1/ /vol/vol1/.snapshot 125829120KB 153743936KB 0KB 122% /vol/vol1/.snap shot cartman*> sysstat 1 CPU NFS CIFS HTTP Net kB/s Disk kB/s Tape kB/s Cache in out read write read write age 1% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 >60 1% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 >60 1% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 >60 1% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 >60 1% 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 >60 4% 0 0 0 0 0 607 563 0 0 >60 cartman*> wafl scan measure_layout vol1 cartman*> Wed Mar 8 12:15:05 PST [wafl.scan.start:info]: Starting WAFL layout measurement on volume vol1. cartman*> sysstat 1 CPU NFS CIFS HTTP Net kB/s Disk kB/s Tape kB/s Cache in out read write read write age 8% 0 0 0 0 0 583 0 0 0 15 10% 0 0 0 0 0 1168 572 0 0 15 7% 0 0 0 0 0 636 0 0 0 15 8% 0 0 0 0 0 648 0 0 0 15 8% 0 0 0 0 0 632 0 0 0 15 8% 0 0 0 0 0 660 0 0 0 15 7% 0 0 0 0 0 636 0 0 0 15 9% 0 0 0 0 0 696 0 0 0 15 8% 0 0 0 0 0 696 0 0 0 15 12% 0 0 0 0 0 844 0 0 0 15 7% 0 0 0 0 0 668 0 0 0 16 CPU NFS CIFS HTTP Net kB/s Disk kB/s Tape kB/s Cache in out read write read write age 7% 0 0 0 0 0 592 0 0 0 4 8% 0 0 0 1 0 736 0 0 0 4 11% 0 0 0 0 0 756 0 0 0 4 10% 0 0 0 0 0 864 0 0 0 4 11% 0 0 0 0 0 920 0 0 0 4 8% 0 0 0 0 0 644 0 0 0 4 cartman*> Wed Mar 8 13:09:00 PST [wafl.scan.layout.advise:info]: WAFL layout ratio for volume vol1 is 1.22. A ratio of 1 is optimal. Based on your free space, 3.94 is expected.

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RE: wafl scan reallocate
by Glenn Walker 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

Lori, It's an index value based on how full the volume is. It's a bit arbitrary as far as values go, but the gist of the output is that you've got less fragmentation than the scanner expected you to have. Glenn -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Lori Barfield Sent: Wednesday, March 08, 2006 12:02 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: wafl scan reallocate On 3/7/06, Glenn Walker <ggwalker(a)mindspring.com> wrote: > Looks like you are doing pretty good... > > Keep in mind, it's an average, so for specific data sets in the volume > it may be much higher (or lower). Workload measurements (statit during > specific operations) can tell you much more sometimes. > > Filling the volume is typically a bad idea (tm) as WAFL will spend more > time finding free space to write. If this is a flexvol and the aggr has > tons of space available, this is not a concern. > > 7.X has great improvements on fixing fragmentation and preventative > measures to keep it from becoming an issue. > > Remember: Fragmentation is NORMAL with any filesystem and isn't > necessarily a problem. What fragmentation _does_ do is introduce > latencies that can be detrimental to responsiveness... sometimes this > can be felt (ie, it's a problem), sometimes it cannot be felt... thanks, glenn. can you tell us what this means? Based on your free space, 6.53 is expected. ...lori

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CIFS Writes delayed
by Bret Jacobson 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

Running a 3050c (7.0.4), and for about an hour we had several instances where generic accounts could not write to specified CIFS shares. They could map them and read them but no writes. The issue then resolved itself. I didn't see any errors on the filers (cifs overdue requests or dc issues), however, given the scope of the problem and the mysterious fix leads me to belive it was an AD issue. I just wanted throw this out there and see if anyone else had run into this. Thx. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/CIFS-Writes-delayed-t1240082.html#a3281887 Sent from the Network Appliance - Toasters forum at Nabble.com.

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RE: CIFS Writes delayed
by Callaway, Michael 08 Mar '06

08 Mar '06

Did you have a drive fail during that time period? Thanks, Michael NTTA/IT http://www.ntta.org 214.461.2033 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Bret Jacobson Sent: Tuesday, March 07, 2006 8:52 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: CIFS Writes delayed Running a 3050c (7.0.4), and for about an hour we had several instances where generic accounts could not write to specified CIFS shares. They could map them and read them but no writes. The issue then resolved itself. I didn't see any errors on the filers (cifs overdue requests or dc issues), however, given the scope of the problem and the mysterious fix leads me to belive it was an AD issue. I just wanted throw this out there and see if anyone else had run into this. Thx. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/CIFS-Writes-delayed-t1240082.html#a3281887 Sent from the Network Appliance - Toasters forum at Nabble.com.

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