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Anybody else have a F210? (black cover)
by Meng Chua 31 Mar '97

31 Mar '97

Just wondering if anyone else out ther has a F210, Black cover. We have one, and its working out great for our needs. Just wondering if anyone knows why the sales dept does not publich this product. Meng Chua meng(a)beamtech.com

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Re: Considering buying an F330
by kls＠netapp.com 29 Mar '97

29 Mar '97

> > If you the choice to make again, would you buy another Network > > Appliance, or would you get the biggest disk array you could > > find for the same money? Why? > > *provided i needed RAID5*, that's a no-brainer. it's noticeably better > than any of the other RAID5 offerings i've tried, and likely cheaper than > RAID0+1 with anyone's discs and arrays. Thanks for the kind words! However, lest anyone get too confused, our filers use RAID-4, not RAID-5. Still parity and the same degree of data protection, just on one disk instead of being interleaved amongst all disks as RAID-5 does. The advantage of RAID-5 is that you can use a traditional file system, designed for a single disk and not for RAID, and distribute the parity workload amongst the disks instead of it being focused on one disk. NetApp uses a file system designed for RAID to avoid the parity disk bottleneck. RAID-4 has the advantage of allowing you to expand the RAID group (even by just one disk), and of using disks of varying geometry in the same RAID group. RAID-5 requires all disks to have the same geometry and cannot itself be expanded, though you can expand the filesystem by concatenating an additional RAID group (not just one disk, and more space is lost to parity). -- Karl

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Re: Considering buying an F330
by Caroline Brossi Yates 28 Mar '97

28 Mar '97

> > *provided i needed RAID5*, that's a no-brainer. it's noticeably better > than any of the other RAID5 offerings i've tried, and likely cheaper than DEC makes a screamingly fast RAID 5 box... > RAID0+1 with anyone's discs and arrays. administration interface, > snapshots, ease of dumping and nice blue faceplate (just kidding) are all > factors for me, too. Service is also an important factor, which NetApp is +very+ adept at. David, if you buy F330s, though, make sure they send you BLUE NettApp tee-shirts. We bought a pair of F330s last fall and are still waiting for ours. Maybe their sales department needs to take lessons from their support department... ho hum! -Caroline

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Considering buying an F330
by David Drum 28 Mar '97

28 Mar '97

Hello anyone and everyone, I found the article announcing this list on comp.protocols.nfs via Deja News. Rather than lurk for a while, I need to jump right in and ask a leading question: If you the choice to make again, would you buy another Network Appliance, or would you get the biggest disk array you could find for the same money? Why? We're about to buy an F330, and I am in search of decision reassurance. I can't help but think I am splurging some. Regards, David K. Drum david(a)more.net -- "That man has a rare gift for obfuscation." -- ST:DS9 * "It's hard to be bored when you're as stupid as a line." -- Vernor Vinge * "Reality has a tendency to be so uncomfortably real." -- Neil Peart * "You can only measure the size of your head from the inside." -- Larry Wall

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non-F toasters
by Tom Yates 21 Mar '97

21 Mar '97

is there anyone out there who's still got non F-series toasters? particularly, has anyone got 450s? Tom Yates - Unix Chap - The Mathworks, Inc. - +1 (508) 647 7561 MAG#65061 DoD#0135 AMA#461546 1024/CFDFDE39 0C E7 46 60 BB 96 87 05 04 BD FB F8 BB 20 C1 8C

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Re: "DU" lying on sunos5 machines
by Amy Chused 20 Mar '97

20 Mar '97

It's 'cuz Solaris du counts blocks, not K, and the netapp blocks are 16K, not 1/2 K. I think there's an option to du to tell it how big the bloody blocks are or to make it count K, not blocks. 'Course, if I remember correctly, that option is broken in the stock install, but there's a patch available from sun that fixes it, I think. Amy -- answering off the top of her head, with an answer worth what you paid for it. At 10:40 AM 3/20/97 -0600, Jim Fondren wrote: >I sent the following report to support but also wanted to ask the >user community about this... > >The unix "du" command is lying to me on Sunos5 machines... > >sanantonio: ll arc >-rw-rw-rw- 1 rich users 1053700 Aug 12 1996 arc > >sanantonio: du -sk arc >65 arc > >sanantonio: /files/home/jim/ftp/fileutils-3.16/src/du -sk arc >65 arc > >sanantonio: uname -a >SunOS sanantonio 5.5 Generic sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1 > > >A Sunos4 box says... > >[dallas] ll arc >-rw-rw-rw- 1 rich users 1053700 Aug 12 1996 arc >[dallas] du -s arc >2072 arc >[dallas] uname -a >SunOS dallas 4.1.3_U1 1 sun4m >Any known work-arounds? I checked NETAPPs' FAQ and didn't see anything. > >My Netapps box is a F220... NetApp Release 4.0a: Wed Oct 16 05:03:33 PDT 1996

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DU Lying to me on Sunos5 (last word)
by Jim Fondren 20 Mar '97

20 Mar '97

Hello again, Just a last update on my problem with DU which has now been happily resolved. :-) The patch for sol 2.5 (2.5.1 includes it) is now up to 103477-07. I'm mirroring it at ftp.cartotech.com/pub/sunpatch/103477-07.tar.gz Symptoms are DU returning erroneous info on filesystems mounted from a NETAPP device using NFS V3. Thanks, Jim F CARTOTECH

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"DU" lying on sunos5 machines
by Jim Fondren 20 Mar '97

20 Mar '97

Hello, I sent the following report to support but also wanted to ask the user community about this... The unix "du" command is lying to me on Sunos5 machines... sanantonio: ll arc -rw-rw-rw- 1 rich users 1053700 Aug 12 1996 arc sanantonio: du -sk arc 65 arc sanantonio: /files/home/jim/ftp/fileutils-3.16/src/du -sk arc 65 arc sanantonio: uname -a SunOS sanantonio 5.5 Generic sun4u sparc SUNW,Ultra-1 A Sunos4 box says... [dallas] ll arc -rw-rw-rw- 1 rich users 1053700 Aug 12 1996 arc [dallas] du -s arc 2072 arc [dallas] uname -a SunOS dallas 4.1.3_U1 1 sun4m Any known work-arounds? I checked NETAPPs' FAQ and didn't see anything. My Netapps box is a F220... NetApp Release 4.0a: Wed Oct 16 05:03:33 PDT 1996 Thanks, ----------------------- Jim.Fondren(a)PoBox.Com --------------------------- Jim Fondren Unix Systems and GIS Programming jim(a)cartotech.com CARTOTECH 210-657-1500 11900 Crownpoint Suite 100 San Antonio, TX 78233 USA NO UNSOLICITED COMMERCIAL EMAIL - NO EXCEPTIONS

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DU lying on sunos5 machines (update)
by Jim Fondren 20 Mar '97

20 Mar '97

Thankyou to all that responded. Your hints let met get closer to a solution. http://puma.join.ad.jp/tech/faq-e/sun/solaris2/Q5.51.html ...contains a related reference and mentions a patch to 2.5, 103226 (SPARC). Apparently solaris 2.5.1 doesn't have this bug (and I verified that on one of my 2.5.1 boxes). Thanks again, ----------------------- Jim.Fondren(a)PoBox.Com --------------------------- Jim Fondren Unix Systems and GIS Programming jim(a)cartotech.com CARTOTECH 210-657-1500 11900 Crownpoint Suite 100 San Antonio, TX 78233 USA

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Re: "DU" lying on sunos5 machines
by Ketil Kirkerud 20 Mar '97

20 Mar '97

Jim Fondren <jim(a)cartotech.com> writes: > > Hello, > > I sent the following report to support but also wanted to ask the > user community about this... > > The unix "du" command is lying to me on Sunos5 machines... Theis is a known bug in SunOS 5.? Their nfs client/server code has a bug in it that makes du report wrongly. There are patches available. (I can't remember offhand what their IDs are, though) regards, ---Ketil Kirkerud, Scandinavia Online

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