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Re: NIS Binding Problem
by Jason D. Kelleher 20 Mar '98

20 Mar '98

In message <3510F4A6.701C13F2(a)mitre.org>, "John F. Kane" writes: >I have not located any reported bugs in the NOW Bugs Online >database that resemble this problem. Is NetApp aware of this >problem and working a solution? Turning off NIS may stop >the problem from reoccurring but is not a solution to the problem. >The NetApp NIS implementation is a relatively new addition to >ONTAP and may need some attention. > >John Kane > >geen wrote: > >> John, >> >> I saw the same thing with 4.3.1. My solution was to turn off NIS. >> >> -g d geen >> >> geen(a)ti.com >> >> John F. Kane wrote: >> >> > Has anyone experienced NIS binding problems on their filers? >> > We have four filers (3 F330s & 1 F230) running Ontap 4.3R3 >> > that have been locking out users on a few occasions this past week >> > The UNIX servers and user workstations trying to access the >> > filers are reporting "server not responding: RPC: Timed out" errors. >> > There is not much helpful in the filer logs. In order to unhang the >> > filer, we must manually rebind it to a different NIS slave server. >> > >> > -- >> > John F. Kane When we first turned on NIS, everything went to hell. The filer started denying mounts to all the clients. Unfortunately, it didn't do this right away, took several hours. Seems the filer wasn't getting netgroup info. Anyway, here's what NetApp told me: > Hi Jason, > > I had one of our escalation engineers look over this > call with me. > > We believe that what you saw when upgrading to 4.1d > is the result of an inefficient method we use to > "lookup" the YP information. Instead of doing 3 or 4 > lookups to get the netgroup info when the mount is > checked we would do one for *every* line in the netgroup > file. > > This behavior has been logged as bug#4088 in our database > and engineering is working to modify the NIS client to > correct this problem. > > For now the recommendation would be to continue using > the local file method which hasn't caused you any > problems. When a fix is available for #4088 then you > could upgrade and begin using the NIS client for > netgroup which should be much faster. One of the > benefits of NIS client is that these lookups should > be faster but with our first release of this NIS > client they simply are not. > > I have flagged this call record as bug#4088 with all > the info you sent to me. The escalation engineer I > spoke with is actually the one that will fix the NIS > code and by flagging your call record as this bug > he can review it during the time he makes the patch. > > This would first be available as a patch release > (a release with a capital D in it such as you > were running prior to upgrading to 4.1d). The > best way to find out when it is available would be > to call back and reference the bug#4088 and ask > if Eirik has a patch for the NIS client yet. I > would think that you might want to wait 30 days or > so -- there is no schedule for a fix date for this > right now. > > Regards, > Gil I never bothered to check back. NOW lists bug #4088 as unfixed. Here's our nsswitch.conf which "solved" our problems: # # nfssrv1:/etc/nsswitch.conf # passwd: files nis group: files nis hosts: files nis dns netgroup: files nis Good Luck. --- Jason D. Kelleher kelleher(a)susq.com Susquehanna Investment Group 610.617.2721 (voice) 401 City Line Ave, Suite 220 610.617.2916 (fax) Bala Cynwyd, PA 19004-1122

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Re: NIS Binding Problem
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 20 Mar '98

20 Mar '98

On 03/20/98 09:23:07 you wrote: > >Dave, > > Don't waste your time on NetApp, threw it away and get a new one >from Auspex. Is this a joke? > If you chose Auspex from the first beginning, you won't have any >problem. > Every things has its price, you got lower price, so they gave >you cheaper service. > Auspex's price may be a liitle bit higher, but you get much >more than you pay. Yeah, like slow NFS service (without RAID protection), even slower NFS service with RAID 5 protection, no support for RAID 4, hours-long software upgrades, hardware that is difficult to service/upgrade, lagging support for CIFS and Microsoft Networking, etc. Bruce

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Re: Disk drives prices
by Mark D Simmons 20 Mar '98

20 Mar '98

> Anyone have a prediction for how long it will be (if ever) until NetApp is > a software only company? For example, Compaq produces a server running a > NetApp OS. > > I predict 2 years. I rather hope NetApp don't become a software only company because it would mean poorer quality software and overly complex hardware maintenance in a very short period of time after the decision was implemented. > > How many people would pay a few grand for a CD containing a NetApp OS that > could be installed on any PC (albeit with a limited hardware selection) > and a software license? I'd rather (get someone to) pay lots of cash up front for the Rolls-Royce approach. As it is, my time as a contracted SA is very expensive to my ultimate employer but I'm happily managing TB's of data because of some very shrewd h/w and software purchasing, of which NetApp is a very significant part. So my vfm to my employer is acceptable to them... The day we can no longer get NetApp boxes will probably be the day when we revert to Sun, SGI or even Auspex for a total solution approach. There are companies out there who do the software only approach, but I've yet to hear of anyone betting their multi-billion dollar/year enterprise on them. > > Chris >

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exports with IP only?
by Alexei Rodriguez 19 Mar '98

19 Mar '98

Has anybody gotten exports from a filer to work with the network/netmask notation (eg: 192.168.254.0/24) without the resolver running (or at all)? I tired it under 4.3.r1 and it failed. I have not spent more time working on this. Anybody? Alex

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Re: Disk drives prices
by Scott Miller 19 Mar '98

19 Mar '98

On Mar 19, 10:15am, Dave Hitz wrote: > Subject: Re: Disk drives prices > > I rather hope NetApp don't become a software only company because it > > would mean poorer quality software and overly complex hardware > > maintenance in a very short period of time after the decision was > > implemented. > ... > For high-end or > enterprise-class servers, I think that customers want fully integrated > solutions. Customers do; the key word being "solution". We fight all the time with vendors who sell parts, when what we want to buy is a solution to our problems. Plus, in an environment where the data is valuable, and (as in our case) where the data *is* the product, the mildly higher price for disks and RAM is well worth the peace of mind. Having hardware parts are tested, qualified and supported by the vendor is a huge win. How valuable is your data? -Skottie -- ----- Scott Miller | Walt Disney Feature Animation skottie(a)fa.disney.com | Digital Studio Technology

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Re: inn and 630
by David Power 19 Mar '98

19 Mar '98

And how much ram was enough? Im using v2/udp nfs and have disabled v3 tcp but the performance on large files stinks. Are you using a solaris machine? Im wondering if its a OS specific problem or a Netapp config problem. Everything so far points at the 630. --- On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 18:10:53 -0800 (PST) Jaye Mathisen <mrcpu(a)cdsnet.net> wrote: > >Yes, I am, works fabulous once I got enough RAM in that baby. > >I find best results with v2/UDP NFS, and disable v3 and TCP mounts >completely. > >Also, trim your misc.jobs.offered, and control directories regularly, >large dirs still kill the Netapp until they get their Btree directory >implementation running. > > > >On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, David Power wrote: > David Power V-P Operations Insync Internet Services Inc.

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Re: inn and 630
by David Power 19 Mar '98

19 Mar '98

--- On Wed, 18 Mar 1998 22:29:40 -0500 Alexei Rodriguez <alexei(a)cimedia.com> wrote: > >This sounds very odd. We used NetApp's for news at my previous job >and they worked beautifully. > >What OS and patch levels do you have on the Sun. Not that SS20's are >real speed demons... Sparc 20 upgraded to dual ross 150's. 512meg ram 2 fast 2.1 gig internals 2 fastwide 4 gig externals. Release: 5.6 Kernel architecture: sun4m Application architecture: sparc Hardware provider: Sun_Microsystems Domain: Kernel version: SunOS 5.6 Generic 105181-04 January 1998 > >What version of DataONTAP do you have on the filer? What ndd setting have >you applied to the SS20? NetApp Release 5.0, upgraded a couple of days ago and problem didnt change. We were running 4.3.1 before this. Are there any nfs /usr/sbin/ndd -set /dev/ip ip_respond_to_echo_broadcast 0 /usr/sbin/ndd -set /dev/ip ip_enable_group_ifs 0 /usr/sbin/ndd -set /dev/tcp tcp_recv_hiwat 65536 /usr/sbin/ndd -set /dev/tcp tcp_xmit_hiwat 65536 /usr/sbin/ndd -set /dev/tcp tcp_cwnd_max 65535 /usr/sbin/ndd -set /dev/tcp tcp_ip_abort_cinterval 30000 /usr/sbin/ndd -set /dev/tcp tcp_close_wait_interval 30000 > >Doe the large writes correspond to a specific news hierarchy (ie: misc.jobs.* >or alt.binaries.*)? Any file over 30k or so. >What does sysstat look like when this occurs? > CPU NFS CIFS HTTP Net kB/s Disk kB/s Tape kB/s Cache in out read write read write age 0% 48 0 0 26 11 88 0 0 0 5 0% 101 0 0 50 20 296 0 0 0 5 1% 104 0 0 54 32 148 0 0 0 5 2% 117 0 0 70 24 368 0 0 0 5 1% 80 0 0 41 12 140 0 0 0 5 3% 56 0 0 33 11 248 0 0 0 5 2% 71 0 0 44 9 356 0 0 0 5 7% 111 0 0 67 18 2428 1332 0 0 5 19% 48 0 0 18 6 4808 5284 0 0 5 4% 86 0 0 43 11 680 1376 0 0 5 0% 36 0 0 12 143 272 0 0 0 5 1% 104 0 0 46 29 484 0 0 0 5 2% 69 0 0 36 14 120 0 0 0 5 2% 73 0 0 39 14 52 0 0 0 5 1% 84 0 0 41 13 180 0 0 0 5 2% 65 0 0 39 8 228 0 0 0 5 2% 61 0 0 37 11 152 0 0 0 5 7% 143 0 0 795 23 44 0 0 0 5 > >Alexei > Thanks -----------------End of Original Message----------------- David Power V-P Operations Insync Internet Services Inc.

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Re: NIS Binding Problem
by John F. Kane 19 Mar '98

19 Mar '98

I have not located any reported bugs in the NOW Bugs Online database that resemble this problem. Is NetApp aware of this problem and working a solution? Turning off NIS may stop the problem from reoccurring but is not a solution to the problem. The NetApp NIS implementation is a relatively new addition to ONTAP and may need some attention. John Kane geen wrote: > John, > > I saw the same thing with 4.3.1. My solution was to turn off NIS. > > -g d geen > > geen(a)ti.com > > John F. Kane wrote: > > > Has anyone experienced NIS binding problems on their filers? > > We have four filers (3 F330s & 1 F230) running Ontap 4.3R3 > > that have been locking out users on a few occasions this past week > > The UNIX servers and user workstations trying to access the > > filers are reporting "server not responding: RPC: Timed out" errors. > > There is not much helpful in the filer logs. In order to unhang the > > filer, we must manually rebind it to a different NIS slave server. > > > > -- > > John F. Kane

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Re: Turning off auto-negotiation on GbE?
by mohan＠netapp.com 19 Mar '98

19 Mar '98

That's right. To turn off auto-negotiation on filers running the 4.3 release, under rc_toggle_basic, toaster*> alttune 0 LinkNegotiation 0 mohan > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Was: Data ONTAP 5.0 memory requirements > Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 17:14:03 -0500 > From: Alexei Rodriguez <alexei(a)cimedia.com> > > +--- In a previous state of mind, Jaye Mathisen <mrcpu(a)cdsnet.net> wrote: > | > | Anybody actually running gigabit ethernet on their filer? I'm > | thinking about it... > > I elped a friend of mine get it working. The alttune command > under rc_toggle_basic is your friend (if you are using a > non-alteon switch). Turn off link auto-negotiation. > > My friend is using a Prominet (now Lucent) P550 switch. He is very > happy with it. I am scheduled to have a loaner box from them > and will buy it after (should it work). > > Alexei >

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Netcache direction?
by Jaye Mathisen 18 Mar '98

18 Mar '98

Anybody actually using a caching appliance? I am looking at doing transparent proxy, but it would be nice if some of the IP header translation stuff could be done in the netapp, rather than at another machine. With the near 100% uptime of my filers, I hate the thoughts of introducing a less reliable solution.

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Cadence software on FAServer
by Philip Thomas 18 Mar '98

18 Mar '98

I would like to know: (a) how many sites (or you know of) are using FAServer as NFS server for Cadence packages (libraries, design home etc) and for how long? (b) how many sites have tried to use it and gave up? If so, briefly, what were the reasons? Philip Thomas Motorola - ATL, M/S M350 2200 W. Broadway M350 Mesa, AZ 85202 rxjs80(a)email.sps.mot.com (602) 655-3678 (602) 655-2285 (fax)

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Re: ontap 5.0?
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 18 Mar '98

18 Mar '98

On 03/18/98 10:52:15 you wrote: > >Well, I heard it is out. I went to the now.netapp.com site. I see >the announcement, I go to the software library. ONTAP 3.1.6 is the >latest recommended release? What happened to 4.3.1? > >I think something is broken. Either that, or NetApp is celebrating >April 1st a little early. I think like most corporate web sites, it is usually up to date, but sometimes one group does get ahead of the other even in the most organized companies. I'm sure it's just an oversight, and/or the NOW people not having the time/ability/resources/information/etc. to update it completely. >I noticed in the 5.0 announcement that they say the Exabyte Mammoth is >only supported on the F630. Why would such a limitation be made? I don't know much about the Mammoth... does it only come in wide SCSI? That and QA reasons (the 630 might be the only current platform that they had time to test it with) could explain the limitation. Or perhaps there is some bug still to be worked out on other platforms (ah, the wonderful world of strange hardware chip interactions!). >And while I'm here, I might mention that the PDF file format is quite >possibly the second most annoying thing found on the internet, >surpassed only by spam. I blew off far too much time trying to get a >reader for the 5.0 readme file, only to find 1.25 pages of >almost-completely-useless text. I agree with you that PDF is, sadly, annoying but it is more-or-less the best standard out their currently. I don't know by "useless" text if you meant it was just not informative or you had difficulty reading it... you usually need to zoom in a level when using the Adobe Acrobat reader for it to be legible. IMHO, every web site should offer documentation in PDF, PS, MSWord, HTML, and plain TXT. Bruce

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ontap 5.0?
by Dave Cole 18 Mar '98

18 Mar '98

Well, I heard it is out. I went to the now.netapp.com site. I see the announcement, I go to the software library. ONTAP 3.1.6 is the latest recommended release? What happened to 4.3.1? I think something is broken. Either that, or NetApp is celebrating April 1st a little early. I noticed in the 5.0 announcement that they say the Exabyte Mammoth is only supported on the F630. Why would such a limitation be made? And while I'm here, I might mention that the PDF file format is quite possibly the second most annoying thing found on the internet, surpassed only by spam. I blew off far too much time trying to get a reader for the 5.0 readme file, only to find 1.25 pages of almost-completely-useless text. ------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Cole (DC1110) | dacole(a)netcom.ca Systems Administrator | dacole(a)vex.net | office/~dacole/ Netcom Canada | www.vex.net/~dacole/ 905 King Street West, Toronto, M6K 3G9 | phone - 416.341.5801 Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Earth, Sol | fax - 416.341.5725

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Re: FW: ontap 5.0?
by Dave Cole 18 Mar '98

18 Mar '98

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Re: FW: ontap 5.0?
by Dave Cole 18 Mar '98

18 Mar '98

On Wed, 18 Mar 1998, Robert Black wrote: -| Well, I heard it is out. I went to the now.netapp.com site. I see -| the announcement, I go to the software library. ONTAP 3.1.6 is the -| latest recommended release? What happened to 4.3.1? -| - -Yes it is! ONTAP 3.1.6 is one of the last 3.X early model releases -Go to the following URL on NOW, and the 4.3.1 release is there: - -http://now.netapp.com/cgi-bin/software/#ONTAP4 Odd. I still don't see it. All I see are ONTAP 3.1.6, NetCache 3.1.2c and NetCache 3.2R4. :| -| I think something is broken. Either that, or NetApp is celebrating -| April 1st a little early. -| - -Nothing broken, See above! err. yah. ok. :| -| And while I'm here, I might mention that the PDF file format is quite -| possibly the second most annoying thing found on the internet, -| surpassed only by spam. I blew off far too much time trying to get a -| reader for the 5.0 readme file, only to find 1.25 pages of -| almost-completely-useless text. -| - -Can't help you here. PDF (Adobe Acrobat) format is one of the single -largest (and common) document file formats found outside of Word (.doc) -and ASCII (.txt). Try getting the latest release directly from the -Adobe web site. So release them at .txt files too! How hard could that be? ------------------------------------------------------------- Dave Cole (DC1110) | dacole(a)netcom.ca Systems Administrator | dacole(a)vex.net | office/~dacole/ Netcom Canada | www.vex.net/~dacole/ 905 King Street West, Toronto, M6K 3G9 | phone - 416.341.5801 Toronto, Ontario, Canada, Earth, Sol | fax - 416.341.5725

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NIS Binding Problem
by John F. Kane 18 Mar '98

18 Mar '98

Has anyone experienced NIS binding problems on their filers? We have four filers (3 F330s & 1 F230) running Ontap 4.3R3 that have been locking out users on a few occasions this past week The UNIX servers and user workstations trying to access the filers are reporting "server not responding: RPC: Timed out" errors. There is not much helpful in the filer logs. In order to unhang the filer, we must manually rebind it to a different NIS slave server. -- John F. Kane

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Anybody running 5.0?
by Jaye Mathisen 18 Mar '98

18 Mar '98

NOW lists it in early release, but I haven't had the guts to try it yet.

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DLT 4000(SUN) & F230
by Jimy Liu 18 Mar '98

18 Mar '98

Hi : Is anyone using Sun's DLT4000 with F230 ? Is there anything I need to notice ? Jimy

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by yingchih＠mitac.com.tw 17 Mar '98

17 Mar '98

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FP'98 + IIS 4.0 + NT4 + CIFS
by Brian Tao 13 Mar '98

13 Mar '98

Does anyone have some experience setting up an NT4/IIS 4.0 Web server with the FrontPage extensions, using a Netapp as the data store? According to Microsoft (and supported by our own tests), FrontPage will *not* work to a network share. In fact, many Microsoft server products will lose much of their functionality if they are not run on local disks. I'm pretty much convinced this is an NT issue and not a Netapp one (since we can't get FrontPage to work even when sharing a filesystem from another NT box). What are the alternatives? NFS on NT? We asked a Microsoft IIS engineer how MS handles the problem of distributed servers, and his response was "Oh, we just replicate all our data". :-/ -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob(a)netcom.ca) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"

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Re: FP'98 + IIS 4.0 + NT4 + CIFS
by Rajiv Khemani 13 Mar '98

13 Mar '98

> That's another approach we can take, but since IIS is the only >Microsoft component left in the equation, Microsoft probably won't >like that much (this hosting agreement is part of a larger deal >between our two companies). ;-) Brian, I know of a few filer customers who are using IIS with the filers using CIFS. No one is using the Frontpage 98 extensions to IIS, as they don't work over a network share. As Mike Patchen pointed out, Microsoft has promised to fix this in Frontpage 99. If this is really important to you, you should bring that up as a requirement to Microsoft. Andy Schulert <andyschu(a)microsoft.com> is the person to send your needs to. The people successfully using IIS with filers are currently using FTP - to allow users to upload web pages to their personal directories. With the filers, we also have created a special NT utility that "effectively" allows large # of directory quotas for this special situation. This is so you can do quotas for your web-hosting users. Using quotas on filers is apparently the only scalable quota solution available for NT today (according to people who use them). We can polish this utility for wider usage, if we see a lot of demand for web-hosting quotas. Regards, -Rajiv ---- Rajiv Khemani Group Marketing Manager Network Appliance, Inc. Direct: 408-367-3758 Fax: 408-367-3670 HTTP: http://www.netapp.com

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Re: FP'98 + IIS 4.0 + NT4 + CIFS
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 13 Mar '98

13 Mar '98

On 03/12/98 23:39:54 you wrote: > >On Thu, 12 Mar 1998 sirbruce(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: >> >> The alternative is pretty clear to me... don't use IIS/FrontPage if >> it requires you to redo your entire infrastructure or approach in >> order to support it. > > I don't think that's an option, unfortunately. The challenge is >to give customers what they need, rather than what they think they >want. They want NT. What they need is an easy way to manage the >content of their Web site and the e-mail of their employees, without >having the first clue about the Internet. I can sympathize. I'm sure everyone here does. We've ALL been there. :) And I'm not trying to start that tired old UNIX vs. NT argument. There are circumstances where NT is a fine solution. All I'm saying is that if the application isn't up to your needs, perhaps one should consider a different application. (And if that means a different platform, then you have reason to question NT in the first place.) >Writing our own software to >do that would take a lot longer than buying an off-the-shelf product. >Maybe we'll go with FrontPage with Apache on Solaris, or perhaps we'll >find that NFS on NT with the Netapp does the job for us. I wouldn't be surprised if IIS/FrontPage have the same troubles over NFS on NT, but I confess I don't know for certain as I've never tried it. Bruce

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Re: FP'98 + IIS 4.0 + NT4 + CIFS
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 13 Mar '98

13 Mar '98

On 03/12/98 15:22:50 you wrote: > > Does anyone have some experience setting up an NT4/IIS 4.0 Web >server with the FrontPage extensions, using a Netapp as the data >store? According to Microsoft (and supported by our own tests), >FrontPage will *not* work to a network share. In fact, many Microsoft >server products will lose much of their functionality if they are not >run on local disks. > > I'm pretty much convinced this is an NT issue and not a Netapp one >(since we can't get FrontPage to work even when sharing a filesystem >from another NT box). What are the alternatives? NFS on NT? We >asked a Microsoft IIS engineer how MS handles the problem of >distributed servers, and his response was "Oh, we just replicate all >our data". :-/ The alternative is pretty clear to me... don't use IIS/FrontPage if it requires you to redo your entire infrastructure or approach in order to support it. Bruce

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postscript: ndmpcopy
by Alexei Rodriguez 11 Mar '98

11 Mar '98

Well, my migration of content between filers is complete and I have a few odd tidbits I thought I would share. - ndmpcopy is an interesting (but frustrating) program. It is great to be able to kick off a dump piped to a restore on a remote filer via ndmp. level0's work well. The time estimates are pretty accurate (I got 30GB in 7 hours) if a bit slow. The irritating aspect of it is that ndmpcopy "hangs" after the completion of the program (at least when the source filer is 4.2a and the destination filer is 4.3.1) and the /etc/dumpdates file is not updated. This makes incrementals impossible. - gnu find and cpio are your friend for incrementals. I did a level0 dump (with ndmpcopy) 2 days before my cut-over. The night of the cut-over, I did a find (with mtime -2) piped to cpio (-dump) onto the new location. It took under 1/2 an hour to do most everything. Had I parallelized the finds a bit more, it would have probably been around 15 minutes to complete. Having completed the migration, here is what the before/after stats are: before: f540/256MB ram/8MB NVRAM; 3000-4000 NFSops avg, 80-100% cpu util, 1 min cache after: f540/256MB ram/8MB NVRAM; 1500-2000 NFSops avg, l0-20% cpu util, 25 min cache f630/512MB ram/16MB NVRAM; 1800-2200 NFSops avg, 20-30% cpu util, 27 min cache The f540 contains tools, logs and home directories. The f640 contains web content. My users were immediately able to notice a significant speed improvement (we use alot of server side includes which lead to alot of IO) when dealing with certain areas of our websites. I would like to thank Beepy (from NetApp) for helping me in this endeavor. I hope might be of use to someone at some point. Alexei

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Successfull NDMP Stories
by Timothy A. McCarthy 10 Mar '98

10 Mar '98

Hi ther everyone. I have a customer that *wants/needs* to use NDMP. I know for a fact that BudTool works. Has anyone else had successful attempts with other packages? like Veritos? or even OpenVision? thanks! -- Timothy A. McCarthy --> System Engineer, Eastern Region. Network Appliance http://www.netapp.com 301-230-5840 Office \ / Page Me at: 301-230-5852 Fax \/ 800-654-9619

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