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Seeing quad 10/100 ethernet ports from NT
by yrsuser 01 Sep '98

01 Sep '98

Hello, We have a new F230 installed here (5.1R1, 1.9i firmware), with a Quad 10/100 card in it. I've configured the 4 ports, and have no problems talking to (or mounting NFS from) any of them from the Unix side of the house. Unfortunately, the only network connection that shows up on the NT side of the house is the one on the F230 mother- board (e0), which is not the one I want the users accessing. I can map a network drive using the 4 "other names", (only if I attach as "nobody", but that's probably another problem), but I can only "see" the main port in the network neighborhood. And I'd rather the users not have to memorize the names of the different ports. I can use the server manager on the PDC to add the other 4 names, but they only show up as ghosts, and the PDC tells me that they are not responding if I try to do anything else with them. (I can ping them, though). Any thoughts? I really don't want to use the main motherboard network connection (currently 10Mbps) to handle anything other than Root telnet sessions to the filer. Cliff Johnson yrsuser(a)televar.com

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by Chris Ruffieux 30 Aug '98

30 Aug '98

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RE: Redbrick?
by Clarke, Bruce 27 Aug '98

27 Aug '98

We have one customer in South Africa that is known to have put Redbrick on a filer. I have been told its in an NT environment. Attempts by NetApp to get Redbrick "officially" interested have so far gone unanswered. If you would like to drop my name to the Redbrick sales rep, please feel free to do so. Bruce Clarke Database Market Development Manager Network Appliance Inc. 2770 San Tomas Expressway Santa Clara, CA 95051 USA Phone: 1-408-367-3156 Fax: 1-408-367-3670 Email: bclarke(a)netapp.com Web: www.netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: Alexei Rodriguez [mailto:alexei@cimedia.com] Sent: Thursday, August 27, 1998 10:58 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Redbrick? Ok, so Oracle works on the filers. No problem. Has anybody tried other database systems? Redbrick? Marketing folks here are looking at building some multi-terrabyte databases (don't ask; they are forking the money over) and I am trying to see what the different possibilities are. Thanks. Alex

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Redbrick?
by Alexei Rodriguez 27 Aug '98

27 Aug '98

Ok, so Oracle works on the filers. No problem. Has anybody tried other database systems? Redbrick? Marketing folks here are looking at building some multi-terrabyte databases (don't ask; they are forking the money over) and I am trying to see what the different possibilities are. Thanks. Alex

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"quota resize" still doesn't work right on 5.0.2
by Stephen C. Losen 27 Aug '98

27 Aug '98

We have a default quota of 10M, which is the first line in /etc/quotas: * user 10M 10K Here is a quota report for a user with no entry in /etc/quotas: quota report /h1/s/sj/sjs3j Type ID Volume Tree Used Limit Used Limit Quota Specifier ----- -------- -------- -------- ------- ------- -------- -------- --------------- user 30967 vol0 - 472 10240 113 10240 So now I add this line to /etc/quotas /h1/s/sj/sjs3j user 20M 20K And I run quota resize quota report /h1/s/sj/sjs3j Type ID Volume Tree Used Limit Used Limit Quota Specifier ----- -------- -------- -------- ------- ------- -------- -------- --------------- user 30967 vol0 - 472 10240 113 10240 The quota for this user has not changed. Only turning quotas off and back on does the trick. The quota resize command issued no error. I read an earlier post to this list that indicated that this was fixed. Has anyone actually gotten this to work? Steve Losen scl(a)virginia.edu phone: 804-924-0640 University of Virginia ITC Unix Support

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RE: "quota resize" still doesn't work right on 5.0.2
by Datta, Diptish 26 Aug '98

26 Aug '98

Stephen, This is documented as bug 5660. This is indeed the way it works now but a fix for this will be available in a future release. If this is a critical issue please call/email Tech Support for a solution. -diptish -----Original Message----- From: Stephen C. Losen [mailto:scl@sasha.acc.virginia.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 26, 1998 10:15 AM To: toasters(a)turing.mathworks.com Subject: "quota resize" still doesn't work right on 5.0.2 We have a default quota of 10M, which is the first line in /etc/quotas: * user 10M 10K Here is a quota report for a user with no entry in /etc/quotas: quota report /h1/s/sj/sjs3j Type ID Volume Tree Used Limit Used Limit Quota Specifier ----- -------- -------- -------- ------- ------- -------- -------- --------------- user 30967 vol0 - 472 10240 113 10240 So now I add this line to /etc/quotas /h1/s/sj/sjs3j user 20M 20K And I run quota resize quota report /h1/s/sj/sjs3j Type ID Volume Tree Used Limit Used Limit Quota Specifier ----- -------- -------- -------- ------- ------- -------- -------- --------------- user 30967 vol0 - 472 10240 113 10240 The quota for this user has not changed. Only turning quotas off and back on does the trick. The quota resize command issued no error. I read an earlier post to this list that indicated that this was fixed. Has anyone actually gotten this to work? Steve Losen scl(a)virginia.edu phone: 804-924-0640 University of Virginia ITC Unix Support

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Re: rw? no, ro.
by Andrew Bond 23 Aug '98

23 Aug '98

Jim, >Any ideas? This is a busy system so rebooting from floppy to bypass the >rc file and then trying another admin host is something I'd like to avoid, >though at this stage I don't see an alternative. You can unexport root using "exportfs -u /" (note that the root may alternatively be exported as /vol/vol0/ at release 5.x) You can use "exportfs -i -o access=new.admin.host,root=new.admin.host /" to re-export the root directory to a different host or list of hosts. Have you opened a call with our support on this? Andrew Bond System Engineer, NetApp UK

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exports syntax
by just me. 22 Aug '98

22 Aug '98

Has anyone found better documentation on 'exports' syntax than the crappy 'administrators' guide once-over? I am specifically interested in using a 'files' based netgroups map to clean up permissions, however the administrators guide suggests that usage is somewhat non-intuitave (as does my experimental results) yet stops short of providing useful information. It does however reference one of the mysterious man pages, which I have never been able to get Netapp to give me. In fact they deny their existance. Anyone got the skinny? thanks. --matt(a)bikkle.interq.or.jp------------------------------------------- Matt Ghali MG406/GM023JP - System Administrator, interQ, Inc AS7506 "Sub-optimal is a state of mind." -Dave Rand, <dlr(a)bungi.com>

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Snapshot Bug
by Raymond Brennan 21 Aug '98

21 Aug '98

Hello, I've run into a snapshot bug and was wondering if anyone else had. The details are basically that the filer ( an F520 with 128 Gb of disk, 128 Mb RAM, a Dec ALPHA CPU and running ONTAP 5.1D3) hangs when creating snapshots as instructed by BudTool. It is an ONTAP problem and is stopping me from doing backups. Has anyone else been hit with this ? :)

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Bug with ACL's & MS based "Save As"
by Weeks, Thomas 20 Aug '98

20 Aug '98

Hi all.. Have a NetApp F230 running OnTap 4.3.4. I am usnig the CIFS based "cifs.home_dir" option (with a "catch all" UID in the passwd file) to allow NT Authenticated users in my domain to each map their own home drive. When one of our users (running Win98 & MS-Office 97/Outlook97) saves documents, or file attacments from any of his applications to his CIFS mapped NetApp Home drive, they have no problems. Saves fine every time. HOWEVER, if he clicks on <file> <Save As> and directs it to the NetApp CIFS drive mount, he gets the error: "[MS OUtlook] Cannot save the attachment. Access Denied." But (from Outlook) if he clicks AND DRAGS the file, or copies it to his desktop first & then to the drive mount, there's no problem. Similarly, if he just tries to do a SAVE (and not Save as) then it works fine. THE PROBLEM IS JUST WHEN HE TRIES TO "SAVE AS". I looked at the user's dir. His permissions are 777, and his dir's UID (and all file/dirs under it) match his UID in /etc/passwd on the filer. Has anyone seen this behavior before? Please email me: Thomas.Weeks(a)mirage.brooks.af.mil Thomas Weeks GTE SYSTEMS ENGINEER Testing-Integration Center "The Pit" Brooks AFB, DSN 240-5444

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New F700 Series
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 19 Aug '98

19 Aug '98

Okay, so the F700 series has been announced. I am, however, left with many questions: 1. Are these models Alpha based? Pentium? Other? What are the relative speeds, so I can compared to the previous models? The F760 appears to be about 50% faster than the F630, but I'm sure that's spread out over several components, not solely due to the CPU. 2. When can we expect even preliminary SPEC SFS numbers? 3. When can we expect Netbench numbers? One would guess they would be in the range of 30MB/second. 4. What is the maximum network connectivity? The spec sheet mentions 8 PCI slots, but I don't know if that includes those for tape and/or FC-AL. Bruce

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Re: New F700 Series
by Guy Lauterbach 18 Aug '98

18 Aug '98

At 11:44 AM 8/18/98 -0500, Sirbruce wrote: >>| 4. What is the maximum network connectivity? >They don't say whether all 8 slots are really "free" and it >doesn't mention 64bit slots, either. The F760 actually has 9 pci slots, of which one is dedicated to the nvram card (just like in other filer models). Of the remaining 8 slots, 3 are 32-bit pci and 5 are 64-bit pci. And, yes, the power switch is in the back! Hope that helps! rgl

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Re: New F700 Series
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 18 Aug '98

18 Aug '98

On 08/18/98 11:41:33 you wrote: >| 4. What is the maximum network connectivity? The spec sheet ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ emphasis mine >| mentions 8 PCI slots, but I don't know if that includes >| those for tape and/or FC-AL. > >fcal is built in, as is 10/100 ethernet, dual power supplies, cable-less >motherboard. I don't know if the nvram is still a card or not (rather, >I cannot remember). I think the 760 had 4 64bit pci slots, so you >would be limited to 4 gigabit NIC's. > >http://www.netapp.com/products/level3/f700series_techspecs.html > >Has all the data. As I said, I *read* the spec sheets. They don't say whether all 8 slots are really "free" and it doesn't mention 64bit slots, either. Your answers were what I was looking for, but don't say that they're in the spec sheet, 'cause I looked there first and they weren't. Bruce

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RE: /vol and client automounter paths.
by Kelly Wyatt 14 Aug '98

14 Aug '98

We seem to have no problem mounting stuff that is exported as /vol/volN. The automounter mounts it as /nfs/filer/vol/volN. That is OK. It works with /vol/vol0 anyway. And we have a few filers with /vol/<user defined name> that we know works. I realize this is probably not a filer problem and that this won't happen if you have a single volume filer. I just wanted to let people know what we have experienced using the "mixed style" exports. This might come in handy should they ever have a multi-volume filer. We have had no such problems with our single volume 5.01 machines. We are just fortunate (?) that this happened just before the regular monthly outage and we can change the filer exports and reboot all workstations this weekend. Kelly ----- Kelly Wyatt, saskww(a)wnt.sas.com Integrated Solutions Consulting SAS Institute Inc. / SAS Campus Drive / Cary, NC 27513 (919) 677-8000 X4279 (Voice) / (919) 677-4444 (FAX) http://www.sas.com

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RE: /vol and client automounter paths.
by Kelly Wyatt 14 Aug '98

14 Aug '98

I'm curious about this. We have had a situation where our automounter daemon (amd on hpux10.20) has been chewing up CPU trying to resolve a mount to a filer: Aug 13 21:30:00 build034 amd[4993]: No mount point for /remote/ronco/vol/vol1 - skipping Aug 13 21:30:00 build034 amd[552]: "/nfs/ronco.unx.sas.com" on /remote/ronco sti ll active Aug 13 21:34:27 build034 amd[5426]: No mount point for /remote/ronco/vol/vol1 - skipping Aug 13 21:34:27 build034 amd[552]: "/nfs/ronco.unx.sas.com" on /remote/ronco sti ll active This is showing up *hundreds of thousands of times* in the syslogs, and is causing out automounter daemon to take a 50-60% of the CPU across hundreds of workstations, if not thousands and filling disks with syslog entries. Our exports are: / -root=server2:server3 /home -root=server2:server3 /builddir -root=server2:server3 /vol/vol1 -root=server2:server3 Note that /vol/vol1 does exist. So, I read on the NOW site what I have pasted below. The second to the last paragraph is what seems to stand out to me - "If you use paths of the / form for export points in the root volume, the automounter might not be able to mount directories in other volumes, or it might create new directories in your root volume to serve as mount points." We are planning on changing the exports to: /vol/vol0 -root=server2:server3 /vol/vol1 -root=server2:server3 this weekend and rebooting all machines (and changing references from /nfs/filer/builddir to /nfs/filer/vol/vol0/builddir...). We are *really* hoping that this fixes the amd problem. Any thoughts about whether this is going to work or not... or if something else might be causing our automounter problem???? Note that we have this problem only with the filer ronco. The other filers at 5.01 do not have /vol/vol1 yet. Thanks, Kelly Data ONTAP 5.0R2 Export point notation Both / and /vol/vol0 identify the root volume. You can use either form to list exported directories in /etc/exports. For most purposes, the two forms are equivalent. However, when an NFS client requests a list of export points from the filer (for instance, as the result of a showmount -e command), the filer returns the paths exactly as they appear in /etc/exports. This affects the behavior of the automounter. For example, if toaster exports /, the automounter mounts the root volume for toaster on /net/toaster, but if it exports /vol/vol0, the root volume appears in /net/toaster/vol/vol0. If you have more than one volume, use paths of the /vol/vol0 form for all your export points in the root volume. If you use paths of the / form for export points in the root volume, the automounter might not be able to mount directories in other volumes, or it might create new directories in your root volume to serve as mount points. Note that /vol/ is not a valid syntax for filers

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Re: /vol and client automounter paths.
by nevets＠eng.adaptec.com 13 Aug '98

13 Aug '98

Ummm, as far as the manual was concerned /vol/vol0/home should be accessible over the automounter as /home, likewise anything else on vol0. From what I read (which may be completely incorrect ;) only for volumes other than vol0 are you required to use the /vol/vol# syntax. I've set up a number of filer here and I'm referencing all homes and projects from /vol/vol0/dirname as filer:/dirname successfully. Soooo, looking at one of my filers... All directories in /vol/vol0 are "mirrored" in / under /net/filername, and also available over the automounter that way. --Steve > From jdavis(a)CS.Arizona.EDU Thu Aug 13 14:56:53 1998 > Date: Thu, 13 Aug 1998 14:19:13 -0700 (MST) > From: Jim Davis <jdavis(a)CS.Arizona.EDU> > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: /vol and client automounter paths. > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Due to some sloppy RTFMing, I apparently missed that as part of moving > from one F520 to another I need to change every fscking client's home > automounter map entries from > > user server:/home/user > > to > > user server:/vol/vol0/home/user > > (Or maybe try some symlink tricks but I'd really like to avoid that for > efficiency and general non-grossness.) > > <freak out>Aww, nutbunnies!<freak in> > > There appears to be some backward-compatibility mode iff (and the manual > isn't crystal-clear on this) you upgrade from 4.x to 5.x. Then apparently > server:/home/user will still work. > > But (he whines) what would've been so awful about making that a special > case for (unupgraded) 5.x too? Rejiggering n+1 automounter maps is not my > idea of a good time, and for various embarrassing reasons it's not just a > matter of updating the NIS master or anything that simple. > > Not to mention explaining to certain people here who have /net/server/home > hardwired into their heads that they'll have to use the oh-so-intuitive > /net/server/vol/vol0/home instead... > __________________________________________________________________ From the SUN of: Steve D'Aurora ESN - Engineering Systems and Network administrator phone: 408 957-2351 email: nevets(a)eng.adaptec.com Adaptec Milpitas, CA, USA __________________________________________________________________

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New Netapp models soon?
by Brian Tao 12 Aug '98

12 Aug '98

What's this I hear about F7xx-series filers? Double the performance of the F630 at the high end (the F760), fiber channel, clusterable, etc.? Rumours or facts? Give up the gory details! :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob(a)risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"

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rsync and stale nfs file handles
by Alexei Rodriguez 12 Aug '98

12 Aug '98

Hey folks. I have run into a problem I had not seen before and need some other eyeballs to look at it. We have some staging servers out in our field offices with local disk. The folks at these offices are editing content throughout the day. At intervals throughout the day, the content from the staging servers gets pushed to our hosting facility via rsync. The problem we are seeing is that apache is getting quite a few " reason: stat: Stale NFS file handle (errno = 151)" errors. We are using Solaris 2.5.1 servers and mount the filer with v3 (udp). We invoke rsync with: -a -b --delete -e $SSH $local $remote Is there a way for us to get around the client side caching of file handles? Or is there a different problem? Has anyone done something like this before? Help? Thanks. Alex

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Tape drives
by pradeep＠algorithmics.com 12 Aug '98

12 Aug '98

Hi there, I would like to know if it is at all possible to attach a DLT7000 tape drive using a single-ended SCSI interface to an F520 filer. Please let me know if this is doable. Thanks. Pradeep. -- Pradeep Subramaniam, Snr. Sys. Admin. | You can fool some of the people Algorithmics Inc., Toronto, On., Canada.| all the time, but not all the e-mail: pradeep(a)algorithmics.com | people all the time. phone: (416) 217 4203 | - Yet another brilliant philosopher fax: (416) 971 6263 | *******************************************************************************

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NetApp network aliasing / gigabit redundancy
by Daniel Quinlan 12 Aug '98

12 Aug '98

We're considering replacing the fast ethernet (some single cards, mostly quad cards) on all of our multi-homed NetApps with a single gigabit ethernet interface. We think it's a good idea, except for the pain associated with ending use of old IP numbers for deprecated interfaces. Does anyone have experience with aliasing interfaces to allow use of ex-interfaces on NFS servers, especially on a NetApp? Also, since I'm nervous about exercising rarely-used code paths on these things, I'd like to hear about anyone's experiences with address aliasing on NetApps in general. Finally, can anyone tell me about network redundancy on NetApps hooked up with gigabit card(s)? We're using 3Com switches. Dan

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How to remove good drive from Raid volume?
by Gordon Keegan 11 Aug '98

11 Aug '98

After configuring a new 520 with 12 data drives, 1 parity, and 1 hot spare, it was decided that one of the data drives should be reconfigured as a hot (or cold) spare. There's no data on the machine yet, so re-initialize is an option, I just can't find where the instructions are in the manuals or on the NOW web site. I don't want to 'disk fail' it unless there's a way to restore its status as a good drive. Any suggestions and/or solutions would be GREATLY appreciated! Thanks! -- Gordon Keegan, M4-135 Phone: (508) 261-4696 Motorola ISG Fax: (508) 261-5757 20 Cabot Boulevard Mansfield, MA 02048 email: lgk011(a)dma.isg.mot.com

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Re: How to remove good drive from Raid volume?
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 11 Aug '98

11 Aug '98

On 08/10/98 17:34:08 you wrote: > > >After configuring a new 520 with 12 data drives, 1 parity, and >1 hot spare, it was decided that one of the data drives should >be reconfigured as a hot (or cold) spare. There's no data on >the machine yet, so re-initialize is an option, I just can't >find where the instructions are in the manuals or on the NOW >web site. I don't want to 'disk fail' it unless there's a way >to restore its status as a good drive. Any suggestions and/or >solutions would be GREATLY appreciated! Go ahead and re-initialize and then re-setup the filer. Boot from the floppy disk to do this. Bruce

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Fixed: NFS processes using mount point question...
by julie.stephen＠vf.vodafone.co.uk 06 Aug '98

06 Aug '98

Hi, We found out that if you specify the hostname:/mountpoint with fuser -k you can kill off dead/hung process. We were hitting the problem due to typing fuser -k /localmountpoint. Thanks anyway! Julie

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CIFS and NT ACLs experiences
by Garrett Burke 06 Aug '98

06 Aug '98

Hi All, A word of warning - OnTap 5.1 with its full NT ACLs has some problems. From bitter and ongoing experience I wouldn't advise using it on a production filer. If you are running this I'd advise getting onto netapp to get the latest bug fixes. I have been advised to run whack. Still haven't dared switch quotas back on. I used to think that those giving off about the quality of netapp SW were being a bit harsh, but now I'm not so sure. I know I'm running an early release, but never again. The troops will just have to wait for the new fetures. GB -- Garrett Burke, Network Admin,Managed Solutions Corp. 32 Upper Mount St., Dublin, Ireland. burkeg(a)msc.ie +353-1-661-4840 A jug of wine, a loaf of bread and thou.

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NFS processes using mount point question...
by julie.stephen＠vf.vodafone.co.uk 06 Aug '98

06 Aug '98

Hi, We are using two NetApp F630's which replicate each other so that in the event of failure of one, the clients using that one can be switched over. We are using HP clients so would like to run fuser -ck to kill the processes hanging on the dead mount points. Unfortunately this does not work since fuser first attempts to stat the mount point and then seems to hang indefinately. We can kill the processes manually, but putting the list of "dead" processes together is going to be difficult without fuser. We thought of running fuser at regular points throughout the day while both servers are available and using this list of processes, but this is not a guaranteed way of capturing everything. Does anyone have any ideas ? Does lsof behave better on hung nfs mount points ? Many thanks Julie Stephen Vodafone Ltd. UK.

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