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Re: Early Access Releases
by Jason D. Kelleher 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

In message <7F608EC0BDE6D111B53A00805FA7F7DA0200F6CA(a)TAHOE.netapp.com>, "Bul fer, David" writes: >Check out http://now.netapp.com/misc/sw_release.shtml > >David So who tested cluster takeover/giveback during the "comprehensive development and release procedure"...? Can they tell me what I'm doing wrong? Was bug 14194 (Filer crashes during boot during partner giveback) discovered during this testing and 5.3 was released anyway? If so, I think you guys are carrying that MS partnership a bit too far... Ok, maybe comparing you guys to MS was below the belt. I'll take that back. But I'm still curious how 5.3 made it as far as it did? I thought clustering was the hot new thing at NetApp. Did somebody decide a boot during giveback was ok for now? It's not a problem until the partner s fixed or until your testing to see that you got what you paid for. If this was the case, a "known bugs list" would've been nice. disappointed, jason >-----Original Message----- >From: Jason D. Kelleher [mailto:kelleher@susq.com] >Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 12:22 PM >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com >Subject: Early Access Releases > > > > Anyone know what NetApp's "official" stance is on Early Access > Releases? Are they beta tested in the field before becomming Early > Access? Is anyone who installs an Early Access Release a beta > tester? Does NetApp beta test? > > Has anyone out there installed 5.3, 5.3D2 (fixes NDMP problems), or > 5.3D7 (supposed to fix crash during giveback) on an F740 cluster > and successfully done a takeover/giveback without at least one > extra reboot (the system doing the giveback) and a core file? If > so, were you using second level VIFs? If you were using second > level VIFs, and it actually worked, did your messages file list > network errors after takover that NetApp said were ok? > > I've been working with tech support for over a week now on these > issues and my managers just turned up the heat on me. I'm hoping > someone has an "it all worked after I did..." story. > > any help appreciated, > > jason >

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RE: Early Access Releases
by Bulfer, David 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

Check out http://now.netapp.com/misc/sw_release.shtml David -----Original Message----- From: Jason D. Kelleher [mailto:kelleher@susq.com] Sent: Monday, April 26, 1999 12:22 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Early Access Releases Anyone know what NetApp's "official" stance is on Early Access Releases? Are they beta tested in the field before becomming Early Access? Is anyone who installs an Early Access Release a beta tester? Does NetApp beta test? Has anyone out there installed 5.3, 5.3D2 (fixes NDMP problems), or 5.3D7 (supposed to fix crash during giveback) on an F740 cluster and successfully done a takeover/giveback without at least one extra reboot (the system doing the giveback) and a core file? If so, were you using second level VIFs? If you were using second level VIFs, and it actually worked, did your messages file list network errors after takover that NetApp said were ok? I've been working with tech support for over a week now on these issues and my managers just turned up the heat on me. I'm hoping someone has an "it all worked after I did..." story. any help appreciated, jason

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Re: Early Access Releases
by Jason D. Kelleher 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

In message <199904262027.QAA12462(a)trail.cimedia.com>, Ozzie Sabina writes: > >+-- "Jason D. Kelleher" <kelleher(a)susq.com> once said: >| Anyone know what NetApp's "official" stance is on Early Access >| Releases? Are they beta tested in the field before becomming Early >| Access? Is anyone who installs an Early Access Release a beta >| tester? Does NetApp beta test? > >I don't know about "official" stances, since I don't work for NetApp, >but I was involved in the beta testing on the 5.3 release prior to the >EA release (for ~2 months). So, yes, they do beta testing, but I >think it's fairly limited. Hmmm.... Let me guess. You had it installed on a single filer and didn't use NDMP to back it up to a remote media server, right? I had problems with these immediately after installation of 5.3. Anyway, it's good to know there was beta testing. That answers a question full of expletives I was asked by my manager on Friday. :) thanks for the info, jason

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Re: size of NFS ops counters (was RE: Console Break (was Y2K...))
by Jason D. Kelleher 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

In message <7F608EC0BDE6D111B53A00805FA7F7DA026FB274(a)TAHOE.netapp.com>, "Hac kworth, Brian" writes: >: From: Ketil Kirkerud Elgethun [mailto:ketilk@a.sol.no] > >: NetApp needs to do something about the "total nfs ops counter" - it's >: rolled 15 times since the last reboot - nfsstat -l gives some really >: interesting output : >: >: [output snipped] >: 195.225.3.37 www2.sol.no NFSOPS = 1385724634 (4294966978%) > >For the next major release of ONTAP, we'll be increasing the size >of many of the internal counters, including the NFSOPS counters, >to 64 bits. This should help for a while. ^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^ That's what I call confidence. jason

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Re: Y2K: Any one rolled a filer forward & backwards? (&courses)
by mds＠gbnet.net 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

On Wed 21 Apr, 1999, beepy(a)netapp.com (Brian Pawlowski) wrote: > I truly apologize for this. > > This is a weird one. This is not a "feature" of our box, it was > something I put in that exploits capabilities of the PROM > (OpenFirmware) to allow floppy boot like processing at boot time. > > You see, in development engineering, we used to have a special build > kernels that allow booting off hard disk, but still going through the > "floppy boot menu", and profiled kernels for performance analysis... > > I, being extremely bored watching linking kernels, made it dynamically > configurable... I was playing many games quickly when I hung out > alone in a small perf lab. > > It was not meant for field use... But obviously you guys are using > it... Strikes me that if you're finding it useful then it's not a million-to-one shot that it'll be useful to customers too, albeit in a slightly different way. > > Let me check, and see if there is not yet an open RFE on this. I will > submit one, asking for enable/disable of PROM environment variables > from running system... > > Ouch. > > In one sense, I regret adding these features - since it is truly a > break from the design of a simple box (the original design was that a > floppy was required to access maintenance menu - I did an incomplete > end run - but the remote console operation precludes floppy loading, so > what is the real requirement here?) Make it possible, to competent (read: curious, brave and support-contract- holding) customers to do floppy-boot tasks with remote consoles. Document it in a place that you can only get to if you hold a support contract. I have to say that I've been using NetApp's for 3 years now, and have learnt a few tricks and tips but I'm not going to get to go on the training course as a direct result of that experience (it's not deemed necessary for my job). I'm learning things here, and from support calls that apparently get taught to customers who also buy the courses - but which are built into these boxes from the get-go. I think they'd be useful to me, I want that knowledge, and all that's needed is for a bit of documentation to be placed somewhere on NOW. Courses shouldn't teach 'secrets' IMHO, they should be about bringing people up to speed from zero-knowledge, or extending their knowledge into advanced domains in limited-time frames. Getting people away from their workplace and giving them the space and framework to learn. The knowledge should also be provided as part of the basic package for others to pick up as and when, if they've already surmounted the learning curve to a large degree. Ie in full manuals and other documents - perhaps limited to people with support contracts to keep customers honest and to keep the feedback loop closed. I have to say I'm a little peeved when courses are products in and of themselves (ie where they teach things over and above the manuals) because it's just another way for vendors to screw customers for a few more bucks IMHO. Previously I never thought NetApp was that kind of vendor. The Appliance philosphy seems to preclude this kind of thing... Someone could restore my faith by pointing me at some hidden docs on NOW that explain it all, which I've just never noticed before! 8) > > No promises on a solution here... Natch, but even the vague hint of one has some of us slavering in anticipation! > > Again, my apologies... For what? Nothing to apologise for IMHO. > >-- End of excerpt from Brian Pawlowski

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by Gerd Froschermeier 26 Apr '99

26 Apr '99

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remote support issues
by Richard L. Rhodes 25 Apr '99

25 Apr '99

Hi List, I don't own a Netapp, but joined this list a couple weeks ago when we decided to take a closer look at and possibly eval one. I must say it's refreshing to see a list where the vendor allows their people to help out. The comment below by Oliver gets to my biggest concern: remote support. I've made very clear to the sales and tech reps that my biggest concerns with a netapp (or anything I would purchase) is remote support. I would need to put netapps at remote sites locked in phone closets with our other networking equipment and servers. Everything is interconnected by a wan and support would be by myself from a central, but remote site. May I ask a couple of question? 1) How effectively can you support a netapp from a remote site? 2) I would be interested in hearing from anyone using a netapp for a oracle database on rs/6k computers. Thanks Rick On 22 Apr 99, at 12:49, Oliver Krause wrote: > Hello Brian, > > also from me a big thank you for this feature. Without it remote support > would be very hard. And a command to change to firmware variables from a > running system would be really valuable. > > Oliver > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Richard L. Rhodes e: rhodesr(a)firstenergycorp.com Ohio Edison Co. p: 330-384-4904 f: 330-384-2514

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RE: Anybody using 3com switches with NetAPP?
by Garrett Burke 25 Apr '99

25 Apr '99

Hi Jaye, You don't say what model of filer you are using. I have a F230 running 5.2.1 connected to a 3COM 3900 and I see output errors (but not input errors) on the filer interface and these show up as CRC (or FCS as 3COM call them) errors on the switch port. I'm seeing about 0.03% errors. Netapp support says not to worry about this level of errors. Both are 100Mbps full duplex with no auto negotiate. I moved the filer to a Extreme Summit S48 and a different cable run and I still see the CRC errors. GB > ---------- > From: Jaye Mathisen[SMTP:mrcpu@internetcds.com] > Sent: 16 April 1999 08:49 > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Anybody using 3com switches with NetAPP? > > > > I have both my ports on a linkswitch 3000, at 100mb, full-duplex. > >

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Re: NetApp Cache Appliance secutity issue ??
by jrg＠acm.org 25 Apr '99

25 Apr '99

On Fri 23 Apr, 1999, Colin Johnston <colinj(a)uk.psi.com> wrote: >I understand the need to distribute pdf docs as there are useful for >administration but password info in clear text could be overcome by >encrypting the pdf's stored online(and in the binary distrib) and doing >decryption of pdf info if required. Much better to be so open about default passwords that no one mistakenly believes it could be kept secret, then people *will* change the default passwords. I almost feel compelled to go and compile a list of all default passwords for all software and hardware known to mankind (but someone has probably already beaten me to it.) James.

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Re: That Darn NAC
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 24 Apr '99

24 Apr '99

On 04/24/99 00:23:33 you wrote: > > >On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 sirbruce(a)ix.netcom.com wrote: > >> I'd just like to point out, once again, that Netapp >> isn't NAC anymore, having changed from "Corporation" >> to "Inc." years ago. > >Are there any significant differences between corps. and incorps.? I never really heard a reason. They did it just before going public so I would speculate there is some odd legal/investment reason why having "Incorporated" in their name was preferred. You'd have to ask someone on the Board or executive staff. Bruce

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That Darn NAC
by sirbruce＠ix.netcom.com 24 Apr '99

24 Apr '99

I'd just like to point out, once again, that Netapp isn't NAC anymore, having changed from "Corporation" to "Inc." years ago. Of course, a lot of us were in the habit of calling the boxes "nacs" so it was hard to change to "nais" or "netapps." I guess you can still call them NACs if you have a suitable acronym. "Network Appliance Computer" is fine but a little generic; "Network Appliance Cache" works fine for one product but not the other. :) Me, I just call them "filers." Bruce

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Re: Console Break (was Y2K...)
by Ketil Kirkerud Elgethun 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

jrg(a)acm.org (James R Grinter) writes: > For Solaris 2, I've been told that there exists modified serial driver > that - when the OS is running - will prevent that happening. This is in fact the standard serial/console driver in Solaris 2.6 (and 7). You'll have to set a variable in /etc/default/kbd - basically you have the option to either -react to BREAK (or L1-A, if you have a keyboard attached) - this is the default -ignore the BREAK (or L1-A). We're running quite a few (50ish) Suns, all connected to a linux box running conserver (serial hardware being Stallion cards). We've had no problems with this so far - and we _do_ have breaks enabled, to be able to reset a machine that won't let us in for some reason. Another thing : I'm thinking of attending the Netapp202 course (it fits nicely in with my plans for Usenix Tech.'99) - I've been running Netapps for a few years now, but wouldn't mind some more "inside" information on the secret bits. Is anyone willing to recommend this course ? Finally, a small tidbit for those among you who get a thrill out of (large) numbers: We've got an F540 (current uptime: 404 days) - this box has sustained 9900 (!) NFSops/sec for 20 hours. Id' say that on average it has sustained approx 3000 NFSops/sec over the last 6 months... NetApp needs to do something about the "total nfs ops counter" - it's rolled 15 times since the last reboot - nfsstat -l gives some really interesting output : [output snipped] 195.225.3.37 www2.sol.no NFSOPS = 1385724634 (4294966978%) :-) -- ---Ketil Kirkerud Elgethun, SOL System

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Console Break (was Y2K...)
by scw＠seas.ucla.edu 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

> > I just wish there was a way to enable breaks from console. > > By "enable breaks" do you mean the "BREAK causes the OS to jump to the > PROM monitor" stuff that SunOS (including 5.x) does? > > We don't detect BREAK or respond to it, but there's probably no reason > we couldn't do that. ARGGG! NO! NO! NO! Disaster waiting to happen. A failed terminal, or one that is turned off or has its power line unplugged generates a BREAK -well strictly speaking it's not really a BREAK but most implimentations of UART see it as a break. This used to happen to our Admin folks every once in a while with their SUN. Remember the users with their torches and pitchforks. > I don't know if our serial port is set up so that unplugging a terminal > (or terminal server) and plugging it back in looks like a BREAK; that's > one of the suckages on at least some Suns. > ----- Stephen C. Woods; UCLA SEASnet; 2567 Boelter hall; LA CA 90095; (310)-825-8614 Finger for public key scw(a)cirrus.seas.ucla.edu,Internet mail:scw@SEAS.UCLA.EDU

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Re: Console Break (was Y2K...)
by tkaczma＠gryf.net 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

On Fri, 23 Apr 1999 scw(a)seas.ucla.edu wrote: > Clearly you don't work at a university, where faculty members walk > into the machine room and grab any old piece of equipment that they want No, I work in an environment where dumb tubes are a greatly coveted pieces of equipment, since we don't have too many to go around. Still, pulling a serial cable doesn't cause the machine to halt in our environment. I don't care that you want this functionality disabled. If you do you'll never enable it in the variable. I have roughly 15 NACs in 6 different buildings, some of them 12 miles away. > In any case OUR machine room is protected against faculty intrusion, > and AIX doesn't have that problem anyway. But Sun's implementation of > BREAK detection is severly broken ( 0v != SPACE ) or is it MARK? Like I said, pulling the cable off doesn't do it, plugging the cable in doesn't do it. Turning the tube on while connected to a Sun does it. Hence, the tube is the broken piece not the Sun. Tom

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size of NFS ops counters (was RE: Console Break (was Y2K...))
by Hackworth, Brian 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

: From: Ketil Kirkerud Elgethun [mailto:ketilk@a.sol.no] : NetApp needs to do something about the "total nfs ops counter" - it's : rolled 15 times since the last reboot - nfsstat -l gives some really : interesting output : : : [output snipped] : 195.225.3.37 www2.sol.no NFSOPS = 1385724634 (4294966978%) For the next major release of ONTAP, we'll be increasing the size of many of the internal counters, including the NFSOPS counters, to 64 bits. This should help for a while. - Brian Hackworth

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RE: Y2K: Any one rolled a filer forward & backwards? (&courses)
by Page, Ruth 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

Page,> I don't see training revenue as NetApp's Page,> major benefit from customer training; Hitz's response and mine crossed yesterday, but we were consistent on this point... >Also, it seems like NA could reduce the cost of the >class by holding classes in Santa Clara instead of >shipping NetApps and trainers around the country. Most of our classes are at our corporate office. We hold field classes when/where we get customer requests. It is more expensive for NetApp, but as long as we have a minimum # of students, we can strike a balance of our costs and the savings for the customers (and the benefits of offering training to customers who will not come to California). The most cost effective training route in the field is by taking advantage of the multiple student discount, (new as of about Dec.) the web registration discount and the multiple class discount. It's pretty cost effective. We also offer classes at customer sites (minimum # of students required), which many customers are choosing. Ruth... -----Original Message----- From: Jay Soffian [mailto:jay@cimedia.com] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 9:16 PM To: ruth.page(a)netapp.com Cc: mds(a)gbnet.net; beepy(a)netapp.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Y2K: Any one rolled a filer forward & backwards? (&courses) "Page," == Page, Ruth <ruth.page(a)netapp.com> writes: Page,> I don't see training revenue as NetApp's major benefit from Page,> customer training; rather (I see the benefit as) the Page,> customers' increased proficiency with the product. Page,> Residual benefits include fewer calls to TS, the likelihood Page,> of more purchases and referrals (result of customer Page,> satisfaction) and more face time with the customer for Page,> feedback/input. We just had this argument with our NA salesperson. If NetApp really believes this, why do they charge so much for the training courses? Why not include a coupon with each NetApp sold that is good toward one training class? Don't want to give a class away? The value of the coupon could be based on the cost of the filer purchased. NA should at least offer the course at something close to cost. Afterall, it benefits NA as much as it benefits the customer, as you just said. Also, it seems like NA could reduce the cost of the class by holding classes in Santa Clara instead of shipping NetApps and trainers around the country. Half the people that attended the class here in Atlanta recently had to fly in anyway, so it doesn't appear you are saving the customer much money by holding regional classes. j. -- Jay Soffian <jay(a)cimedia.com> UNIX Systems Administrator 404.572.1941 Cox Interactive Media

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Re: Console Break (was Y2K...)
by jrg＠acm.org 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

On Fri 23 Apr, 1999, fubar(a)mathworks.com (Kendall Libby) wrote: >I wish Sun would implement that. I've got a bunch of sun's on a >terminal server and have never had a problem unless the cisco is >powered off. That's acceptable; all the sysadmins know it, and no >one else is allowed in the machine room (*cough*). Had a similar >situation when I worked for an ISP. (a bit off topic, but..) For Solaris 2, I've been told that there exists modified serial driver that - when the OS is running - will prevent that happening. Variously, I've been told that it's something Sun Consulting have available, if you ask, to it being something that a particular large Wall Street firm and big Sun (Solaris) user wrote. It switches the signal away from a break to a combination key set, I believe. Alternatively, it's possible to modify a serial cable to accomodate a long break but avoid the short one you get from the disconnection of a cable or death of a terminal server. A third option is to get a terminal server that doesn't do that - I've direct experience of the Lightwave ones (already mentioned here today) and they do prevent it happening if they are powered on or off. James.

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RE: administrivia
by Robert Palermo 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

Hey Kendall, Maybe your body has been taken over by aliens and you only think you're running this list. Du'Oh !!! > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Date: Fri, 23 Apr 1999 13:18:13 -0400 (EDT) > From: fubar(a)mathworks.com (Kendall Libby) > To: "Kinney, Roger" <roger.kinney(a)netapp.com> > Cc: "'fubar(a)mathworks.com'" <fubar(a)mathworks.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: RE: administrivia > X-Bike: 95 VFR750F > X-Animal: waterbuffalo > X-Retort: Bite me, fanboy > > >>>>> "roger.kinney" == Kinney, Roger <roger.kinney(a)netapp.com> writes: > > roger.kinney> I believe that's unsubscribe dl-toasters <your email > roger.kinney> address> > > Um, no. I run the toasters list, and it's most definitely "toasters". > > K.

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Re: Y2K: Any one rolled a filer forward & backwards?
by Jim McCoy 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

Jason Kelleher writes: >mwalters(a)netapp.com: >>ONTAP 5.3 has an optional (license required !) "snaprestore" feature [...] > > And if you don't have the license can you still call support and > have them walk you through the undocumented procedures to do this > from a boot floppy You really don't even need to boot floppy (search for the the "floppy-boot?" setting in the boot system) if you are in a hurry. The prev_cp works for 5.x as well but it is a bit of a hack to do this sort of a restore (OTOH I doubt that the "snaprestore" is anything more than a wrapper over prev_cp which masks out the checkpoints stored in the NVRAM log.) > they should've spent more money on books and less on leather jackets Come on, those were pretty sweet jackets! :) (and the logo was rather subdued for a corporate freebie.) Last I heard they decided to pocket the money they were spending on the jackets and the class docs are still very weak. They should also put the class docs onto the web somewhere because there are times when the docs aren't handy and I need to remember if it is 26/7 or 28/7 that fries my disks... jim mccoy Yahoo! Inc.

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Dump core after running CIFS setup
by Mike Ball 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

Has anyone ever had a "Dump Core" while running CIFS Setup? We had deleted the C$ and recreated C$ to point to a qtree which we created on vol1. This is the only thing out of the ordinary which was done on the filer before rerunning CIFS Setup. I am currently running Data Ontap 5.12 on a F720 Thank you, Mike Ball

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administrivia
by fubar＠mathworks.com 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

With the flurry of unsubscribe requests going to the list lately, I thought I'd take this opportunity to remind everyone how to get off this list correctly. *** If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to <majordomo(a)mathworks.com> with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe toasters <your email address> *** There is a list archive (searchable, even) available on the web at http://teaparty.mathworks.com:1999/toasters/ K.

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by DESCHAMPS, Stephane 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

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23 Apr '99

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RE: Y2K: Any one rolled a filer forward & backwards? (&courses)
by Page, Ruth 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

-----Original Message----- From: mds(a)gbnet.net [ mailto:mds@gbnet.net <mailto:mds@gbnet.net> ] Sent: Thursday, April 22, 1999 12:20 PM To: beepy(a)netapp.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com <mailto:toasters@mathworks.com> Subject: Re: Y2K: Any one rolled a filer forward & backwards? (&courses) Courses shouldn't teach 'secrets' IMHO,..... I have to say I'm a little peeved when courses are products in and of themselves (ie where they teach things over and above the manuals) because it's just another way for vendors to screw customers for a few more bucks IMHO. ---------------------------------------- >Whether or not these commands should be taught and/or documented is an on-going debate at NetApp. The thinking was that the 'secret commands' can be destructive and rather than document them in the manual, train customers to use them, with the caveat to work with TS. The goal was to minimize the risk, but still make the commands available to customers. We've included these commands in the 202 course because of requests (demands) from some customers but we discuss this decision frequently. I'll pull a few people together here to evaluate this again. E-mail to me (or posts) with any additional opinions would be appreciated. I agree with the point of courses not being products in and of themselves, in that our classes refer to the documentation and our NOW website as the reference material. We've gotten mixed input...some customers do want the class and/or material to be a completely standalone product. I see the real value of the classes as the labs and the experience/expertise of the instructor. (and, as you mention, the dedicated time to really learn the product). The chance to talk to other customers is a side benefit. While I believe it is the case that our course material could be used as standalone reference material, it's not really our goal...It's the show vs. teach question (or give vs. teach...you know...the fish saying ;-) We try to teach. I don't see training revenue as NetApp's major benefit from customer training; rather (I see the benefit as) the customers' increased proficiency with the product. Residual benefits include fewer calls to TS, the likelihood of more purchases and referrals (result of customer satisfaction) and more face time with the customer for feedback/input. Ruth... Ruth Page Director, World Wide Educational Services Network Appliance 2770 San Tomas Expwy / Santa Clara, CA 95051 phone: 1-409-367-3722 Fax: 1-408-367-3195 Email: rpage(a)netapp.com Web: www.netapp.com

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Re: Y2K: Any one rolled a filer forward & backwards?
by Jason D. Kelleher 23 Apr '99

23 Apr '99

In message <199904211921.PAA30871(a)trail.cimedia.com>, Ozzie Sabina writes: > >+-- "Jason D. Kelleher" <kelleher(a)susq.com> once said: >| slides they called a book for "prev_cp - boot from prior >| consistency point" -- they should've spent more money on books and >| less on leather jackets) in the Special Commands Section. > >It's bookbags now. The saved money didn't go to the books. > >| This worked with a 4.1.x boot floppy in class, not sure about the >| 5.x boot floppies. As I recall it was for recovering from a >| severely fubar'd filesystem. > >Yes, you can do this from the 5.x floppies. The deal with snap >restore was to make it 'easier' for people, although you still have to >reboot the box (and you don't really physically need a floppy to do a >'floppy boot'), so it seems to be a minor difference to me. Hoever, ^^^^^^^^^^^ Didn't know that. I'll file it under "emergency things I hope I never need to know". :) >you can revert a specific volume only to a previous CP - I can't >remember if you can do that from the floppy menu. > >Oz

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