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RE: DLT 8000
by Darleen.Cormier＠netapp.com 08 Jun '00

08 Jun '00

Hi Uros, The F700 series will support the DLT8000 in an emulation mode, if your DLT drive is an HVD model, not LVD or SE. That's on the hardware side. On the software side, the DLT8000 will not be supported until the next release of software, so you will have to emulate a DLT7000 until then. You do that by creating an entry in the /etc/cloned_tapes file, that says DLT8000 EMULATES DLT7000 Be aware that the DLT8000 will now act like a DLT7000, so you will only get the same speed and capacity of a 7000, not the 8000. Once the new software is released, you can remove that entry and the drive will act like a normal 8000. -----Original Message----- From: Uros Lampret [mailto:uros.lampret@ourspace.si] Sent: Thursday, June 08, 2000 7:03 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <mailto:toasters@mathworks.com> Subject: DLT 8000 Does anybody know if F700 series supports DLT 8000 on the onboard SCSI port ?

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DLT 8000
by Uros Lampret 08 Jun '00

08 Jun '00

Does anybody know if F700 series supports DLT 8000 on the onboard SCSI port ?

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RE: BudTool incremental backups behaving differently when using N DMP
by Andy.Hatcher＠netapp.com 08 Jun '00

08 Jun '00

Bug 21837 did not require a change to Legato. The change was completely in OnTap. The question was semantics ctime is the inode change time. [i.e. changes associated with the inode should update the ctime field.] The access time is also part of the inode. Therefore in the strict sense of things, ctime should be updated when the access time is updated. However, backup programs are the only ones likely to explicitly change access time and for those types of applications updating the inode change time doesn't make much sense. Backup programs usually try to set all the times explicitly. Greg is pretty new (and a manager) and hopefully you can forgive him. :) -----Original Message----- From: Matt Phelps [mailto:mphelps@cfa.harvard.edu] Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2000 6:07 AM To: Linn, Greg Cc: cet1(a)cus.cam.ac.uk; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: BudTool incremental backups behaving differently when using NDMP Greg.Linn(a)netapp.com wrote: > > I believe that Matt's problem is different from bug ID 21837. > > 21837 was identified during investigation of a Legato Networker problem where > ctime was being updated inappropriately. The net effect of this was that files > that hadn't changed were being processed as if they had. I believe that Matt's > problem is the opposite; files that have changed are not being picked up by NDMP > incremental dumps. Matt's problem is currently being investigated. > That's right. Greg (or anyone), can/has someone confirmed this behavior? I'm concerned about missing something obvious. > FYI: the resolution for Bug ID 21837 required a change to Networker as well as > Data OnTap. > I'm hopeful we won't need a change to BudTool, those are hard to come by these days ;-) -- Matt Phelps System Administrator, Computation Facility Harvard - Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics mphelps(a)cfa.harvard.edu, http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/~mphelps

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UK Customs problems
by Dave Atkin 07 Jun '00

07 Jun '00

We just received some replacement LRC cards for our FC8 shelves, but I've had endless conversations with Federal Express about VAT. Apparently because they are new parts, UK Customs require VAT to be paid on them (Universities can't generally reclaim VAT). The fact that they are warranty replacements seems to make no difference. I'm trying to get our reseller to sort this out but it would be really helpful if Netapp could do someting with the paperwork to avoid this in the future when they ship replacement parts to us. Dave Atkin -- Dave Atkin, Head of Technical Services Computing Service, University of York, YORK YO10 5DD Phone: +44-1904-433804 (ddi) Fax: +44-1904-433740 Email: D.Atkin(a)york.ac.uk

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RE: BudTool incremental backups behaving differently when using N DMP
by Greg.Linn＠netapp.com 07 Jun '00

07 Jun '00

I believe that Matt's problem is different from bug ID 21837. 21837 was identified during investigation of a Legato Networker problem where ctime was being updated inappropriately. The net effect of this was that files that hadn't changed were being processed as if they had. I believe that Matt's problem is the opposite; files that have changed are not being picked up by NDMP incremental dumps. Matt's problem is currently being investigated. FYI: the resolution for Bug ID 21837 required a change to Networker as well as Data OnTap. Greg Linn Manager, NDMP Development 408.822.3752 telephone -----Original Message----- From: Chris Thompson [mailto:cet1@cus.cam.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, June 06, 2000 1:33 PM To: mphelps(a)cfa.harvard.edu Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: BudTool incremental backups behaving differently when using NDMP mphelps(a)cfa.harvard.edu (Matt Phelps) writes: > OK, an update. I have removed the ufsdump/restore part from the > equation. The same behavior exists when I move files to the NetApp > with gtar using the "p" option as root to preserve file properties. > > NDMP incremental dumps are still not picking up the moved files. > Again, an rsh'ed Ontap "dump" command DOES pick up the moved files. Is this the same as, or related to, | Bug ID 21837 | Product Data ONTAP | Title setAccTime() sets the atime correctly, but also sets the ctime | Problem Attempts to set only the access time of files end up changing the inode | change time as well. This is an issue for restore programs which are | trying to restore the exact state of a file. ? What do the ctimes for for the files actually look like? (use "ls -lc") 21837 is supposedly fixed in 5.3.6 (maybe even 5.3.5R2P2?). Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1(a)ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom.

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Come join NetApp at Usenix This Year
by michael.lapides＠netapp.com 07 Jun '00

07 Jun '00

To all those wondering, yes NetApp will once again host a party this year at USENIX. Please come join us Tuesday evening, June 20th, at the Marriot. The fun will start at 8PM, so as I always say go out and enjoy dinner (no hotel food please) or attend you favorite BOF then stop by for some fun, games, desert and beverages. There will be flyers at the show with specific ballroom location details. See ya in San Diego. -Michael

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RE: BudTool incremental backups behaving differently when using N
by chang-ping.hu＠netapp.com 06 Jun '00

06 Jun '00

That is correct. Even though in most circumstances a ufsdump can be restored using a filer's "restore" command, it is NOT a supported feature. -----Original Message----- From: Matt Phelps [mailto:mphelps@cfa.harvard.edu] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 6:33 PM To: Hu, Chang-Ping Cc: jkrueger(a)qualcomm.com; mphelps(a)cfa.harvard.edu; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: BudTool incremental backups behaving differently when using N > > It is true NetApp recommends using NetApp's dump and restore command formats. > ufsrestore is also supported as an alternative way to retrieve data in case > filer is unavailable. However, ufsdump is NOT supported. > > C.P. Hu > Are you saying that using Solaris ufsdump to a file (or stdout, in our case) and the filer's "restore" command to restore the data is NOT supported? -- Matt Phelps System Administrator, Computation Facility Harvard - Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics mphelps(a)cfa.harvard.edu, http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/~mphelps

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RE: ISL
by Adam.Fox＠netapp.com 06 Jun '00

06 Jun '00

Not currently. I have heard rumors of it being on the roadmap, but not sure exactly when. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Verdirame [mailto:jack@zerowait.com] > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 8:49 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: ISL > > > Does anyone know if ISL (Inter-Switch Link by Cisco) is > support by a filer. > I don't believe it is. > > Thanks for your time, > > Jack Verdirame > www.zerowait.com > www.loadbalancing.net > Las Vegas: 302.559.5962 > Corp: 302.266.9408 >

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RE: BudTool incremental backups behaving differently when using N DMP
by chang-ping.hu＠netapp.com 06 Jun '00

06 Jun '00

It is true NetApp recommends using NetApp's dump and restore command formats. ufsrestore is also supported as an alternative way to retrieve data in case filer is unavailable. However, ufsdump is NOT supported. C.P. Hu -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 4:43 PM To: Matt Phelps Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: BudTool incremental backups behaving differently when using NDMP I may have said this before on toasters, but our general experience with NetApp's dump format is that it should be written and read via NetApp's dump and restore command. Yes, we've all heard the claims that it is ufsdump/restore compatible, but at every turn there seems to be some new slight inconsistancy that causes problems in some cases. -- Jeff >From Matt Phelps on Mon, 05 Jun 2000 17:14:54 EDT: > > >Hi All, > >We recently turned on NDMP on our filer and have noticed >different behavior with incremental backups. If we level 0 >a qtree, then use Solaris ufsdump piped to the NetApp >restore command to move files from a Solaris box to that qtree >(such that the file attributes like ctime and mtime are older >than the level 0 time), a subsequent level 9 dump will not see >the added files. If we turn off NDMP on the filer, so BudTool's >dump.NetApp class reverts to rsh'ing a Ontap "dump" command, then >that DOES pick up the added files. > >We opened a call with NetApp (110424), they claimed to have made >"incremental backups with NDMP available" in 5.3.5R2P2 which we >upgraded to, but we are still seeing the same behavior. > >We are using Budtool 4.6.1 on a Solaris machine. > >-- >Matt Phelps >System Administrator, Computation Facility >Harvard - Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics >mphelps(a)cfa.harvard.edu, http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/~mphelps >

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ISL
by Jack Verdirame 06 Jun '00

06 Jun '00

Does anyone know if ISL (Inter-Switch Link by Cisco) is support by a filer. I don't believe it is. Thanks for your time, Jack Verdirame www.zerowait.com www.loadbalancing.net Las Vegas: 302.559.5962 Corp: 302.266.9408

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OT: Netapp at Usenix?
by Brian Tao 06 Jun '00

06 Jun '00

Anyone heading down to San Diego for USENIX this year? Can we expect a Netapp vendor hospitality suite again? :) -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob(a)risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"

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BudTool incremental backups behaving differently when using NDMP
by Matt Phelps 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

Hi All, We recently turned on NDMP on our filer and have noticed different behavior with incremental backups. If we level 0 a qtree, then use Solaris ufsdump piped to the NetApp restore command to move files from a Solaris box to that qtree (such that the file attributes like ctime and mtime are older than the level 0 time), a subsequent level 9 dump will not see the added files. If we turn off NDMP on the filer, so BudTool's dump.NetApp class reverts to rsh'ing a Ontap "dump" command, then that DOES pick up the added files. We opened a call with NetApp (110424), they claimed to have made "incremental backups with NDMP available" in 5.3.5R2P2 which we upgraded to, but we are still seeing the same behavior. We are using Budtool 4.6.1 on a Solaris machine. -- Matt Phelps System Administrator, Computation Facility Harvard - Smithsonian Center for Astrophysics mphelps(a)cfa.harvard.edu, http://cfa-www.harvard.edu/~mphelps

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RE: Filer Question
by McDonough, Tim 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

Yes, they should, on the other hand if you munge the cable ( anyone ever bent a few pins on a SCSI cable?? ) it'd be a bit easier to come up with a replacement DB9 cable. Tim -----Original Message----- From: Jay Tribick [mailto:jay.tribick@carrier1.net] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 2:20 PM To: Jay Orr Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Filer Question Hey :) > Not that serious a question, but we just got a new F720 and was wondering > why the Fibre card has the funky connector on it, but the filer and the > trays have a 9-pin connector? I would think as much as the box was > idiot-proofed they would of at least used a different connector for the > shelves then from the serial devices.... > > Anyone know? Just curious... Are you expecting idiots to install it? :] If you are making such a large investment deploying netapp boxes, shouldn't the people who are going to admin it know the difference between serial and FCAL? (: -- Regards, Jay Tribick Senior Systems Engineer Carrier1 Voice: +44 171 531 3874 Mobile: +44 7801 526 638

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Filer Question
by Jay Orr 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

Not that serious a question, but we just got a new F720 and was wondering why the Fibre card has the funky connector on it, but the filer and the trays have a 9-pin connector? I would think as much as the box was idiot-proofed they would of at least used a different connector for the shelves then from the serial devices.... Anyone know? Just curious... ----------- Jay Orr Systems Administrator Fujitsu Nexion Inc. St. Louis, MO

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RE: using openview to receive traps from a 740 filer
by alan.yoder＠netapp.com 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

Hints: be sure to turn on snmp with "snmp init 1" turn traps on with "snmp traps on" set the traphost with "snmp traphost add <host>" Notes: traps were introduced in 5.3 you have to get stuff right on the Openview end too If these don't solve your problem, please open a call with NetApp support. They should be able to help you nail it down. Alan =============================================================== Alan G. Yoder agy(a)netapp.com =============================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Horn [mailto:mhorn@chkenergy.com] > Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 12:52 PM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.org' > Subject: using openview to receive traps from a 740 filer > > > Is anyone using Openview to receive traps from a 740 filer? > We have installed the MIB file into Openview on a Sun box > and added several snmp traps to the /etc/rc file on the filer. > If we pull a power supply a trap should be sent to Openview > for translation and then send a page informing me of a problem. > We are not seeing any traps from the filer but Netapps said > this should work. If you have in input on our problem please > send me a message. Your help in this matter is greatly > appreciated > > Regards, > > Michael A. Horn > Associate Geophysicist > > > Michael A. Horn > Associate Geophysicist > > Chesapeake Energy Corporation > 6106 N. Western Avenue > P.O. Box 18496 > Oklahoma City, OK 73154-0496 > 405/879-9282 (office) > 405/879-9577 (fax) > mhorn(a)chkenergy.com > >

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using openview to receive traps from a 740 filer
by Mike Horn 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

Is anyone using Openview to receive traps from a 740 filer? We have installed the MIB file into Openview on a Sun box and added several snmp traps to the /etc/rc file on the filer. If we pull a power supply a trap should be sent to Openview for translation and then send a page informing me of a problem. We are not seeing any traps from the filer but Netapps said this should work. If you have in input on our problem please send me a message. Your help in this matter is greatly appreciated Regards, Michael A. Horn Associate Geophysicist Michael A. Horn Associate Geophysicist Chesapeake Energy Corporation 6106 N. Western Avenue P.O. Box 18496 Oklahoma City, OK 73154-0496 405/879-9282 (office) 405/879-9577 (fax) mhorn(a)chkenergy.com

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RE: NAS solutions from Sun?
by howie.wilcox＠netapp.com 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

Hi Folks, There seems to be not very much that would be considered "filer" or "appliance" in SUN's new N8200. A closer loo reveals that SUN's new "filer" is apparently a SUN server and A1000 storage array bundled into one marketing code. They have been shipping the A1000 technology in various forms for quite a while now. This is the stuff that they OEM from Symbios Logic/LSI/MetaStor. Its pretty much a standard SUN server and direct attached storage that the SUN marketing guys are calling a "filer". Howie -----Original Message----- From: Ishankov, Alex [mailto:Alex.Ishankov@BMO.com] Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 10:13 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: NAS solutions from Sun? Hi - Does anybody know anything about recently announced NAS solution from Sun Sun StorEdge N8200 filer (http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2000-05/sunflash.20000530.1.html) and if it is just an adopted version of Network Appliance filer? Thanks

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looking at performance data
by Gregory T Rotunda 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

We have F720. I clocked the filer with statit and wafl_susp commands and I'm looking at the output. Is there somewhere I can get some documentation to help me understand what I'm looking at? I know what some of the different things are, i.e. CP from CP, but I'm wondering if there are some detailed docs out there somewhere. I took a brief look at the NOW site but couldn't find anything... Greg

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RE: Filer Question
by David.Bulfer＠netapp.com 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

Why? The FC specification allows the "funky" HSSDC and the DB-9. When we started shipping FC, the DB-9 was by far the most prevalent and it is a good reliable connector. We had also heard rumor that the HSSDC was not as reliable. (We have never seen any real data, including our own experience to date, to back that up.) We have stayed with the DB-9 for consistency (i.e., less confusion in the field). We use the HSSDC on the adapter because that is what is on the adapter. David Bulfer Director of Systems Architecture Network Appliance, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Orr [mailto:orrjl@stl.nexen.com] Sent: Monday, June 05, 2000 7:41 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Filer Question Not that serious a question, but we just got a new F720 and was wondering why the Fibre card has the funky connector on it, but the filer and the trays have a 9-pin connector? I would think as much as the box was idiot-proofed they would of at least used a different connector for the shelves then from the serial devices.... Anyone know? Just curious... ----------- Jay Orr Systems Administrator Fujitsu Nexion Inc. St. Louis, MO

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RE: UK Customs problems
by abond＠netapp.com 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

Hi Dave, The normal process for replacement parts is that they are shipped from NetApp's European Support Centre in the Netherlands (CSEURO), and so no VAT should be payable. If you are in Europe and need any replacment parts, please ask that they be shipped from CSEURO. If parts are shipped from the USA, it is possible to avoid paying the VAT if the correct import processes are followed and the paperwork for the replaced goods when exported are tied up with that for the imported ones - however, this is much more complex and doesn't always work. Hopefully your reseller will be able to resolve this. Regards, Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-dl-toasters(a)netapp.com > [mailto:owner-dl-toasters@netapp.com]On Behalf Of Dave Atkin > Sent: 05 June 2000 09:53 > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: UK Customs problems > > > We just received some replacement LRC cards for our FC8 > shelves, but I've > had endless conversations with Federal Express about VAT. > > Apparently because they are new parts, UK Customs require VAT > to be paid > on them (Universities can't generally reclaim VAT). The fact > that they are > warranty replacements seems to make no difference. > > I'm trying to get our reseller to sort this out but it would be really > helpful if Netapp could do someting with the paperwork to > avoid this in > the future when they ship replacement parts to us. > > Dave Atkin > -- > Dave Atkin, Head of Technical Services > Computing Service, University of York, YORK YO10 5DD > Phone: +44-1904-433804 (ddi) Fax: +44-1904-433740 > Email: D.Atkin(a)york.ac.uk > > >

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re: FW: NAS solutions from Sun?
by erhard.raible＠netapp.com 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

Sun's N8xxx is a repackaged NetraNFS and a great advertisement for NetApp nothing else: please see att web side: http://www.sun.com/storage/n8200/specs.html Hardware/Software Specifications N8200: ======================================== Operating environment Solaris(tm) Operating Environment 7 Standard software Integrated RAID Manager with hot-spare support; Telnet, NIS, NIS+, DNS, SNMP, Web browser preconfigured Installation time 10 minutes or less Network protocol support NFS v2/v3 over UDP or TCP, CIFS ECC memory 2048 MB Nonvolatile memory 64 MB (per storage controller) PCI expansion capacity Two Slots Optional PCI connectivity Single 10/100 Base-T Ethernet, Gigabit Ethernet Disk drives 18-GB UltraSCSI RAID storage capacity Minimum 18-GB SCSI drives 12 (10,000 rpm) Maximum 18-GB SCSI drives 48 (10,000 rpm) Storage capacity 800 GB File systems One per Sun StorEdge N8200 NAS array RAID level Hardware RAID 5 Maximum RAID group size 11 data/1 parity Erhard -----Original Message----- From: Bruce Sterling Woodcock [mailto:sirbruce@ix.netcom.com] Sent: Montag, 5. Juni 2000 06:24 To: Brian Tao; Wilcox, Howie Cc: Alex.Ishankov(a)BMO.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: NAS solutions from Sun? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Tao" <taob(a)risc.org> To: <howie.wilcox(a)netapp.com> Cc: <Alex.Ishankov(a)BMO.com>; <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2000 6:51 PM Subject: RE: NAS solutions from Sun? > On Thu, 1 Jun 2000 howie.wilcox(a)netapp.com wrote: > > > > There seems to be not very much that would be considered "filer" or > > "appliance" in SUN's new N8200. A closer loo reveals that SUN's new > > "filer" is apparently a SUN server and A1000 storage array bundled > > into one marketing code. > > So basically another kick at the Netra NFS bucket (Ultra-1 + > integrated multipack)? I see they mention Network Appliance > specifically too... about time they noticed. ;-) Don't forget Netra NFS was supposed to "eat Netapp's lunch", or so they said. Bruce

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RE: 18G disk and 36G disk coexist on Netapp 720 Filer ?
by Anissa.Mohler＠netapp.com 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

Amy, In a word, yes. You can use both 18 and 36G drives in a F720. The 36G drives require the FC9 shelf (which can also hold 18G drives). You can check the System Configuration guide on NOW http://now.netapp.com/ for part numbers and disks and shelves supported. As far as feasibiltiy is concerned... what do you want to do with it? what is your existing configuration? You won't be able to exceed 504 GB no matter what types of disks you use. Anissa -----Original Message----- From: Amy Cheng [mailto:amy.cheng@motorola.com] Sent: Sunday, June 04, 2000 9:22 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: Mandy Meng (r47701); Simon Zhao (r42552) Subject: 18G disk and 36G disk coexist on Netapp 720 Filer ? Hi forks, I wondor whether it is feasible to use 18G disks and 36G disks on a F720 filer. Does anybody have experience on it ? Thanks Best Regards Amy

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18G disk and 36G disk coexist on Netapp 720 Filer ?
by Amy Cheng 05 Jun '00

05 Jun '00

Hi forks, I wondor whether it is feasible to use 18G disks and 36G disks on a F720 filer. Does anybody have experience on it ? Thanks Best Regards Amy

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HELP
by Ebru Bayýndýr 02 Jun '00

02 Jun '00

Hello there, I am the system administrator for the Earth Sciences Research Institute of TUBITAK. I am in need of urgent help to bring up our main computing server. We have a Sun enterprise 450 NIS server sytem that operates under Solaris 2.6. We have a vital problem about our Raid Disk system, which contains valuable earthquake data from the recent earthquakes in Turkey. Here is the story; I had successfully install 6 disks (9gb) into a single 54 GB file system using Solstice Disk Suite 4.1 tool. We have used this file system for about a year now. We had each disk unit taken out from its slot during a maintanence of the system. Now, we have mixed up the order of disks i.e. which disk belongs to which slot is unknown!!... Naturally, the system will not reboot successfully. I am wondering if there is anyone out there has come across such a problem and been able to fix it... I would greatly appreciate your comments and help on this matter... -- ------------------------ Ebru TAN E-Mail : bebru(a)mam.gov.tr TUBITAK MAM Is tel :(262) 646 63 55/391 Yer Bilimleri Arastirma Enstitüsü Is tel :(262) 641 23 00/4300 PK 21 41470 Gebze/KOCAELI

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RE: NAS solutions from Sun?
by erhard.raible＠netapp.com 02 Jun '00

02 Jun '00

it seems, this is "old staff in a new packing" > a tuned solaris server plus low cost scsi disks an other name for the "netraNFS" servers from 1996 season -----Original Message----- From: Ishankov, Alex [mailto:Alex.Ishankov@BMO.com] Sent: Donnerstag, 1. Juni 2000 19:13 To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: NAS solutions from Sun? Hi - Does anybody know anything about recently announced NAS solution from Sun Sun StorEdge N8200 filer (http://www.sun.com/smi/Press/sunflash/2000-05/sunflash.20000530.1.html) and if it is just an adopted version of Network Appliance filer? Thanks

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