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Anybody out there using Netapps for Usenet spools?
by kelvin tooth 04 Aug '00

04 Aug '00

Hi all, looking thru the archive of this list, I can't find any real relevant information about Netapp configuration details for usenet since 1997. Things have changed since then in both filer and usenet worlds. Anybody got any suggestions/gotchas/useful web links/tips for me? I am used to having news in an A5000 disk array, but would like to use netapp if possible. regards, Kelvin Tooth Internet Design Engineer Cable and Wireless

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Q. on Qtree/Volume/RAID group
by Ng, Pok 04 Aug '00

04 Aug '00

I have few questions regarding qtree, volume and raid group 1) Is it ture that raid group is added to a volume automatically? 2) is there any command for creating new raid group? 3) when a qtree is created on a multi raid group volume, does the qtree span across all raid group? do you have control on which raid group the qtree can reside on? 4) when the max disk per raid group is increased, does it affect all raid groups? 5) I know if a new disk is added, it will be added to the last raid group of a volume. Assuming the answer to Q4 is yes, then what happen if the last raid group of a volume is filled and there exists raid group(not the last one) in the same volume that is not filled? TIA pok

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power supply failed: What kind of fail?
by Jeremy Hansen 04 Aug '00

04 Aug '00

One of our power supplies failed so we got the email to replace it. The support person asked us to determine what type of failure, fan, temperature, or just complete failure. How do I get this information from the netapp? Thanks -jeremy -- http://www.xxedgexx.com | jeremy(a)xxedgexx.com ---------------------------------------------

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RE: Virus Scanning
by Lyons, Jim 04 Aug '00

04 Aug '00

Larry, we are using NAV50 called from a scheduled nightly batch file in order to skip the snapshot directories. Jim -----Original Message----- From: Nail, Larry Sent: Friday, August 04, 2000 2:53 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Virus Scanning Just curious if anyone is running a virus scanner against filers for CIFS? ______________________________________ Lawrence D. Nail Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Senior NT Systems Administrator MSPD NT Systems Engineering Mixed Signal Products http://www1.msp.sc.ti.com/nail/ <http://www1.msp.sc.ti.com/nail/>

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Virus Scanning
by Nail, Larry 04 Aug '00

04 Aug '00

Just curious if anyone is running a virus scanner against filers for CIFS? ______________________________________ Lawrence D. Nail Microsoft Certified Systems Engineer Senior NT Systems Administrator MSPD NT Systems Engineering Mixed Signal Products http://www1.msp.sc.ti.com/nail/ <http://www1.msp.sc.ti.com/nail/>

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TreeFrog
by Khue Moua 04 Aug '00

04 Aug '00

Any problems running dual drives AIT-2 Spectra LogicTreeFrog with NetBackup on F720? Ontap version requirements? Thanks, km

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Exchange on NetApp
by Sam Howard 04 Aug '00

04 Aug '00

Hi. I'm looking for anyone who is actually using their NetApp as the disk backend for Microsoft Exchange. How big is your data space? How are you connected (NetApp to Exchange) networkwise? How are you doing backups? We are looking at various options for growing our Exchange server, and some of the requirements include more, faster disk space; faster backup and recovery; recovery of individual mailboxes. Thanks, Sam -- Sam.Howard(a)trcinc.com Sr. Unix Administrator The Technical Resource Connection

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A few brief questions
by LaGueux, Steve 04 Aug '00

04 Aug '00

I'm doing some information gathering on NAS and would appreciate it if anyone could take the time to answer these few, very brief questions: 1. Approximately what percentage of your production data is actually used for cross-platform file sharing? 2. Please rank the following reasons for using NAS in terms of their order of importance to you (with "1" being the Most important; "3" the least important) a. Cross-platform file sharing b. Ease of use c. Cost 3. What concerns, if any, do you have about your Network Attached Storage? 4. Are you currently considering deploying SANs for your storage requirements? If so, can you estimate when you might deploy a SAN? Thanks very much for your consideration. Steve

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F330's EOL (not)
by Jay Orr 03 Aug '00

03 Aug '00

In recently dealing with requoting support for our mix of filers, I find that technically the F300's haven't been declared EOL. The thing is, last time we paid for support, they wouldn't let us purchase software support for the F330's beyond April 2000, but that has come and gone and I wonder how close Netapp is to ONTAP 5.4. I was told that they wouldn't let us get software support beyond then because no new versions of ONTAP would be available for the F330's. I had been told that as of ONTAP 5.4, SCSI based filers won't be supported, hence the EOL for the F330's. So, is this still the case, and how close are we to seeing a 5.4 release? ----------- Jay Orr Systems Administrator Fujitsu Nexion Inc. St. Louis, MO

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Clock size
by Michael Salmon 03 Aug '00

03 Aug '00

The recent discussions on clocks brings to mind something that I have been wondering about for a while, namely what is the size of the clock in a filer. The reason why this is interesting is that filers happily set file times to 32 bit values and this is illegal unless the filer's clock is unsigned or greater than 32 bits. /Michael -- This space intentionally left non-blank.

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RE: Configuration
by Hu, Chang-Ping 03 Aug '00

03 Aug '00

In a clustered configuration, you will have two filers. In case one filer goes down, the other filer will take over the failing filer's disks so that data is still accessible. If there is a disk failure, RAID can take care of it. However, in case of a disk shelf failure, I think you are out of luck. C.P. Hu -----Original Message----- From: Pesce, Nicholas (FUSA) [mailto:Nicholaspesce@firstusa.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:11 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Configuration Ok, I am wondering if I can make this work I have a filer with that needs to be redundant (clustered). The data on the filer is cache data so it can be thrown out (i.e. not critical) but the machine has to be 24x7 machine. If any part of one of the machines die, it must stay up. Therefore, If I cluster the box, how do I make it so that if the shelf fails for Netapp1 (I only have one shelf per head) Netapp1 will be able to grab the shelf on netapp2 and keep going. Is this even possible? Nicholas Pesce Internet Production Services Phone: 847 488-6384 Pager: 888 785 3455 Fax: 847 488 3434

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Re: NDMP Questions
by Jim Ward 02 Aug '00

02 Aug '00

Steve Gremban writes, > Question #2 has to do with Direct Access Restore which is something Netapp is > working on with the NDMP standards group. It allows you to jump directly to > the position on the media where a file is located. Right now a restore will > have to read sequentially from the beginning of a dump to the position of the > desired file. Actually, the NDMP standard has specified DAR since the outset of v2; NetApp has added DAR to Guinness/6.0. We backup software ("NDMP client") vendors also incorporate rather hefty logic to support DAR in our products. DAR capability exacts a price from users, too, in terms of additional disk space used to store the position of each file, each time it's backed up. A few random points you might find useful: . NetApp's DAR implementation can recover up to about 1,000 files in a single operation. . ONTAP's NDMP restore logic always reads header & directory data from the first tape of the backup. Then, in concert with the NDMP client, it requests the tape -- if not the one in the drive -- needed to recover the first file in the backup data stream. . Instead of reading & examining each block, as is done in the non-DAR selective recovery case, the tape agent (NDMP mover) uses "space block" operations to position the tape to the tape block in which each requested file begins. It iterates this (swap tapes if req'd, position to next file, recover file) operation until all requested files are recovered. Best, Jim

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RE: White Papers for Oracle on NetApp filer
by Whitman, Michael 02 Aug '00

02 Aug '00

George: Try this link to get started: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/index_db.html#toc You will see several white papers on Oracle here. ___________________ Best Regards, Michael Whitman Professional Services Engineer San Diego, CA Network Appliance, Inc. (NTAP) 858-625-4675 mwhitman(a)netapp.com Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com Are you filers sending us autosupport mail? http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/olio/autosupport/ -----Original Message----- From: George Kahler [mailto:george@yorku.ca] Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2000 12:10 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: White Papers for Oracle on NetApp filer Could someone please direct me where I can get White Papers on the subject of Oracle on NetApp filers? I have bunch of DBAs on my back considering buying their own filers but before they do they would like to see some papers on issues around placing Oracle on filers, specifically performance! Thanks, George ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Kahler e-mail: george(a)yorku.ca Sr. Systems Administrator humans: (416) 736-2100 x.22699 Computing and Network Services machines: (416) 736-5830 Ontario, Canada, M3J-1P3

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Configuration
by Pesce, Nicholas (FUSA) 02 Aug '00

02 Aug '00

Ok, I am wondering if I can make this work I have a filer with that needs to be redundant (clustered). The data on the filer is cache data so it can be thrown out (i.e. not critical) but the machine has to be 24x7 machine. If any part of one of the machines die, it must stay up. Therefore, If I cluster the box, how do I make it so that if the shelf fails for Netapp1 (I only have one shelf per head) Netapp1 will be able to grab the shelf on netapp2 and keep going. Is this even possible? Nicholas Pesce Internet Production Services Phone: 847 488-6384 Pager: 888 785 3455 Fax: 847 488 3434

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White Papers for Oracle on NetApp filer
by George Kahler 02 Aug '00

02 Aug '00

Could someone please direct me where I can get White Papers on the subject of Oracle on NetApp filers? I have bunch of DBAs on my back considering buying their own filers but before they do they would like to see some papers on issues around placing Oracle on filers, specifically performance! Thanks, George ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Kahler e-mail: george(a)yorku.ca Sr. Systems Administrator humans: (416) 736-2100 x.22699 Computing and Network Services machines: (416) 736-5830 Ontario, Canada, M3J-1P3

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Re: No TIME STAMP for new files created on Filer
by mds＠gbnet.net 02 Aug '00

02 Aug '00

On Wed 2 Aug, 2000, "Bawa, Rashid" <Rashid.Bawa(a)BMO.com> wrote: > > > We have a F740 Netapps Filer which has filesystems NFS mounted on to a Sun > > Unix server (Solaris 2.7). > > > > When new files are created on the NFS mounted filesystem on the filer, the > > time stamp does not show-up ("ls -la") until later; it looks as though > > there is some event that triggers the display of the time-stamp. Sounds like a standard NFS issue - the filer's idea of time is almost certainly slightly ahead of the time on the client(s). ls will see a timestamp in the future (as far as the client is concerned) and just print the date in the ls output, until the client's clock catches up with the file metadata. > > Wondering if anyone has come across the same problem/feature! Often. You'll see this as almost useful for spotting files that are currently open and being written to, until such time as you closely synchronise your system clocks. At least, that's what I think is happening. >-- End of excerpt from "Bawa, Rashid" -- -Mark ... an Englishman in London ...

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RE: Syslog
by Hackworth, Brian 02 Aug '00

02 Aug '00

: In any case I think its a pretty usefull thing to be able to do. : So how do I go about raising an RFE? You can open new cases on NOW if you like. I took care of entering this RFE for you just now. -- Brian Hackworth hackwort(a)netapp.com Network Appliance 408.822.6654 Sunnyvale, CA USA

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Syslog
by Pesce, Nicholas (FUSA) 02 Aug '00

02 Aug '00

I have an interesting problem. Maybe someone could help me. I am trying to get syslog on a netapp filer to log remotely. I have placed the exact commands into the filer syslog.conf for local and remote logging. I also pinged the remote server to make sure that I could get to it in the first place. I am currently logging to /etc/messages but not to the remove server: Here is what my stuff looks like a rdfile of the syslog.conf (names and IPs were changed to protect the innocent) #5-30-2000 The syslog admin host is <remote box> cron,daemon,kern,syslog.alert;cron,daemon,kern,syslog.err;cron,daemon,kern,s yslo g.crit;cron,daemon,kern,syslog.emerg @10.0.0.1 auth,cron,daemon,kern,syslog.alert;auth,cron,daemon,kern,syslog.err;auth,cro n,da emon,kern,syslog.crit;auth,cron,daemon,kern,syslog.emerg;auth,cron,daemon,ke rn,s yslog.warning /etc/messages This seems legitimate. But I could be off. Has anyone else had problems doing remote logging? Nicholas Pesce Internet Production Services Phone: 847 488-6384 Pager: 888 785 3455 Fax: 847 488 3434

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F630 problems?
by Jeremy Hansen 02 Aug '00

02 Aug '00

A client of mine has a loaner F630. He's having very many issues with this box and a linux client. From this point just assume we've done all the nfsv3 patches, dhiggens, etc. Is there any issues with this box and the ontap version? ash> version NetApp Release 5.3.4R2: Sun Nov 21 13:29:37 PST 1999 ash> Basically the server just stops responding completely. Can get requested slot, etc. We've tried tcp mounts, this doesn't seem to make a difference. The problem is pretty severe that it leads me to believe that it's a netapp bug. I've personally never touched anything other then a F740 with the latest ontap installed. Thanks -jeremy -- http://www.xxedgexx.com | jeremy(a)xxedgexx.com ---------------------------------------------

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RE: What about SSH
by Philip, Nicolas 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

Jay, Mike is right, SecureAdmin 1.0 is a product sold separately that installs a SSH server (Secure Shell protocol) on your filer running Data ONTAP 5.3.x. It supports SSH 1.x clients only. It uses RSA for key echange (Host/Server key up to 1024 bits) and DES (56 bits) or 3DES for data encryption. Filer commands and your login name + password are therefore encrypted when passed over the network to your remote filer. Also we cannot include it with Data ONTAP due to US encryption export regulations that apply to such products and royalties paid to RSA. Since June 2000, SecureAdmin 1.0 is also available to customers based oustide the US and Canada (except Government type of end-users) Please contact your NetApp sales representative for more information on how to get a copy of SecureAdmin 1.0. and on exceptions that apply to certain Government type of end-users (Utilities, ISPs, Telcos, Health institutions, etc). Nicolas. Product Manager for System Management. Network Appliance. Sunnyvale, CA. -----Original Message----- From: Mike Sphar [mailto:mikey@remedy.com] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 2:56 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: What about SSH If you're running Data ONTAP 5.3 or later, check the man page for SecureAdmin. Just go to http://[Your_Filer_name]/na_admin/man/na_secureadmin.1.html -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Services, BOFH, GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD -----Original Message----- From: Jay Orr [mailto:orrjl@stl.nexen.com] Sent: Monday, July 31, 2000 12:44 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: What about SSH Is there any way to use SSH to get to a server, so the password isn't broadcast over the network? If not, is there any other authentication method, or is it just straight telnet and console connections? ----------- Jay Orr Systems Administrator Fujitsu Nexion Inc. St. Louis, MO

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RE: Need terminator for one of the disk shelfs.
by Whitman, Michael 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

Jay: There is an easy visual way to tell if your disk shelf(s) need a FC-AL terminator. If you see two fans on the back of the disk shelf, then you are looking at an FC-7 or FC-8 disk shelf. In this case, you would need to terminate the loop with a FC-AL terminator. If you see three fans on the back of the disk shelf, then you are looking at an FC-9 shelf. An FC-9 shelf does NOT have to be terminated. Another way to verify that you have an FC-9 is that you will have two power supplies with green buttons on the left hand side of the shelf - the older shelfs did not have green buttons on the power supplies. As far as terminating the filer, check the back of the filer. Towards the right rear of the filer, there will be an FC-AL port. If you see one or more PCI-based FC-AL adapter cards installed, then you should terminate the FC-AL port on the back of the filer and connect the disk shelf to the FC-AL card. Hope this proves helpful. Don't forget that you can always access the NOW site on the web for specific configuration information. ___________________ Best Regards, Michael Whitman Professional Services Engineer San Diego, CA Network Appliance, Inc. (NTAP) 858-625-4675 mwhitman(a)netapp.com Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com -----Original Message----- From: Jay Orr [mailto:orrjl@stl.nexen.com] Sent: Friday, July 28, 2000 6:51 AM To: Brian Tao Cc: Corris Randall; Robert Johannes; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Need terminator for one of the disk shelfs. We recently purchaced a FC-AL 720, and I asked about the terminator. I was told it depends on the model of the drive-shelf as to whether or not it self terminates. Don't remember which was which though. On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Brian Tao wrote: > On Wed, 26 Jul 2000, Corris Randall wrote: > > > > I believe if you have FC9's you don't need the terminator... they're > > auto-terminating... > > It sounds like his disk shelf is connected to a slot-based FC-AL > adapter, so he still needs the terminator for the on-board adapter > (matching his description of a serial port). > -- > Brian Tao (BT300, taob(a)risc.org) > "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't" > > ----------- Jay Orr Systems Administrator Fujitsu Nexion Inc. St. Louis, MO

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RE: Syslog
by Pesce, Nicholas (FUSA) 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

well, at least I know it isn't just me :) -----Original Message----- From: chris_good(a)webtop.com [mailto:chris_good@webtop.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 01, 2000 1:26 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Syslog Ronan Mullally wrote: >On Tue, 1 Aug 2000, Pesce, Nicholas (FUSA) wrote: >> This seems legitimate. But I could be off. Has anyone else had problems >> I also pinged the remote server to make sure that I could get to it in the >> first place. >Check that the syslogd on the remote box is set up to receive messages >from the network. AFAIK most Linux distributions these days (for >example) aren't. I was just looking at exactly the same thing today, we log all our syslogs out to one server. Everything else works fine, the filer doesn't. Sounds like a bug of some sort: syslog.conf extract from filer: *.info local5(a)212.111.41.140 and on our loghost: local4.* /var/log/lb # Netapp01 messages local5.* /var/log/netapp01 The one thing I read was that it had to be tab seperated but I've already checked that. -- Chris Good WebTop.com http://www.webtop.com Tel: +44 (0) 1223 715000 Fax: +44 (0) 1223 715001

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Memory upgrade for F720?
by Nick.Mayrath＠envoy.com 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

Can I upgrade the RAM in my F720 from 256 -> 512? If so, is there a specific type of RAM I need to use? What about upgrading the NVRAM? Thanks

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Clustering
by Moshe Linzer 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

Who's using cluster failover? We're thinking of doing it with 2 F760's, about 1TB total. Can anyone relate any pluses/minuses of such a configuration? Thanks, Moshe -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Moshe Linzer | On the Internet, Unix Systems Manager | National Semiconductor, Israel | nobody knows you're a moron. Phone: 972-9-970-2247 | Fax: 972-9-970-2001 | - Network Magazine Email: moshel(a)nsc.com | -----------------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Virtual Interfaces and direct connections to servers
by Bond, Andrew 01 Aug '00

01 Aug '00

Hi David, We have done this internally from a Sun client. Sun allows you to define different trunking policies: - mac - round robin - IP destination address - IP source/destination addres For more information, go to http://docs.sun.com , I think the sun trunking manual is online. Other platforms may have fixed policies or different options. Regards, Andrew > -----Original Message----- > From: David Lockwood [mailto:David.Lockwood@benettonformula.com] > Sent: 31 July 2000 16:56 > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Virtual Interfaces and direct connections to servers > > > Has anybody had any experience of connecting UNIX servers > directly to a NetApp filer and using Virtual Interfaces to > get a broader bandwidth. I want to be able to bypass a > network switch and use software on the UNIX box that will > 'trunk' the UNIX servers network ports together? > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > For further information on Benetton Formula 1 visit our web > site at www.benettonf1.com. This email and any files > transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for > the use of the individual or entity to whom they are > addressed. If you have received this email in error please > destroy and notify Benetton Formula on +44 1608678000. > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >

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