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RE: Removing disks from a volume
by Francett, Robert D (SAIC) 21 Aug '00

21 Aug '00

Anyone actually done this? I tried once on Veritas V2.5.xx, something like that, and, although the docs indicate shrinkage is possible the s/w didn't allow the operation. I had to offload the data, remove the volume & start over. Now, this was Veritas on a Solaris machine. Bob Francett BP Exploration (Alaska) -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Sherman [mailto:ajs@ajs.com] Sent: Monday, August 21, 2000 12:48 PM To: Eyal Traitel Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Removing disks from a volume On Mon, Aug 21, 2000 at 12:38:40PM -0700, Eyal Traitel wrote: > It would be lovely if there was such a RAID-filesystem... > If anyone have heard of such - share with us... As noted by another, Veritas is capable of this. I've included an excerpt from the docs, below: [begin vxassist man-page] NAME vxassist - create, mirror, backup, grow, shrink, and move volumes [...] shrinkto and shrinkby Decrease the length of the named volume to the length specified by newlength (shrinkto), or by the length specified by lengthchange (shrinkby). The new length or change in length is specified as a standard Volume Manager length [see vxintro(1M)]. The shrinkto opera- tion fails if the new length is not less than the current volume length. [...end] Of course, this only shrinks the whole volume, but it is my understanding that at that point, you can re-arange the plexes so that the disk you want to remove no longer has any plexes on it. It's ugly and complex, but possible. It strikes me as very strange that a system that's otherwise so flexible does not allow this. We've really hosed ourselves because on one Filer (while attempting to set up a volume that we could volcopy to), we accidentally added disks to the root volume. So, now we have to do what? Re-install? -- Aaron Sherman Systems Architect HighWired.com -- The global high school community http://www.highwired.com 300 North Beacon Street Watertown, MA 02472 (617) 926-1850 x238 (617) 926-1861 fax asherman(a)highwired-inc.com / ICQ#43677395 / Y!ajstrader "We had some good machines, but they don't work no more." -"Faded Flowers" / Shriekback

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Re: Removing disks from a volume
by Eyal Traitel 21 Aug '00

21 Aug '00

It would be lovely if there was such a RAID-filesystem... If anyone have heard of such - share with us... eT. --- Aaron Sherman <ajs(a)ajs.com> wrote: > We've accidentally added our spare disk to a volume. Our OEM says > that > this is irrevokable, and that we'll have to copy the volume to > another > disk tray, rebuild the volume and copy back in order to fix this. Is > that true? Is there no way to shrink a filesystem and remove a disk > once it's been added? > > It seem contrary to the ultra-flexible spirit of the Filers.... > > -- > Aaron Sherman > Systems Architect > HighWired.com -- The global high school community > http://www.highwired.com > > 300 North Beacon Street > Watertown, MA 02472 > (617) 926-1850 x238 > (617) 926-1861 fax > asherman(a)highwired-inc.com / ICQ#43677395 / Y!ajstrader > > "We had some good machines, but they don't work no more." > -"Faded Flowers" / Shriekback ===== Yours, Eyal Traitel eTraitel(a)yahoo.com, Home: 972-3-5290415 (Tel Aviv) *** eTraitel - it's the new eBuzzword ! *** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail � Free email you can access from anywhere! http://mail.yahoo.com/

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Re: Removing disks from a volume
by mds＠gbnet.net 21 Aug '00

21 Aug '00

You can do it with a combination of VxVM and VxFS - and it's relatively simple too. The day the WAFL gets that feature, well, the VRTS solution won't look so simple anymore, of that I'm confident. (IF WAFL gets it, of course..) -- -Mark ... an Englishman in London ...

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Removing disks from a volume
by Aaron Sherman 21 Aug '00

21 Aug '00

We've accidentally added our spare disk to a volume. Our OEM says that this is irrevokable, and that we'll have to copy the volume to another disk tray, rebuild the volume and copy back in order to fix this. Is that true? Is there no way to shrink a filesystem and remove a disk once it's been added? It seem contrary to the ultra-flexible spirit of the Filers.... -- Aaron Sherman Systems Architect HighWired.com -- The global high school community http://www.highwired.com 300 North Beacon Street Watertown, MA 02472 (617) 926-1850 x238 (617) 926-1861 fax asherman(a)highwired-inc.com / ICQ#43677395 / Y!ajstrader "We had some good machines, but they don't work no more." -"Faded Flowers" / Shriekback

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RE: RCS issues with ONTAP 5.4.3R2
by Clawson, Simon 21 Aug '00

21 Aug '00

In answer to Todd's question: We use RCS as a backend to Sniff, on both UNIX & PC. The issue was correctl spotted by Mark. We have found that the bug mentioned did in fact cause our problems (prehaps Mark implemented the fix?) So if you are using source control, watch out! Cheers Mark et al for your advice and help with tis, it was kind of a major problem for us. Simon -----Original Message----- From: Todd C. Merrill [mailto:tmerrill@mathworks.com] Sent: 18 August 2000 21:50 To: Clawson, Simon Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: RCS issues with ONTAP 5.4.3R2 On Thu, 17 Aug 2000, Clawson, Simon wrote: > We went up from 5.2.3 to 5.3.4R2. The user working on UNIX boxes are able to > be checkout file with RCS exclusive locks. Users on PC's get "permission > denied" What RCS package are you using on the pc's? To what security mode is the filer set? > from RCS access. User can open and lock files on UNIX boxes OK. However on > PC, users cannot open and lock files that have been created by another user. Though a long-shot, does the output of `cifs sessions *` show any locks on files? Until next time... The Mathworks, Inc. 508-647-7000 x7792 3 Apple Hill Drive, Natick, MA 01760-2098 508-647-7001 FAX tmerrill(a)mathworks.com http://www.mathworks.com ---

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Removal from mailing list
by Jouni Pohjola 21 Aug '00

21 Aug '00

Please remove me from the list. I am getting too much mails, I rather read these through Internet. Jouni Pohjola ProAct Datasystem Oy Sinimäentie 14 (Po.Box 45) 02630 Espoo Finland jouni.pohjola(a)proact.fi GSM +358-40-5641122

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Re: NDMP Backups and restore with NetBackup
by Oye Akintan 19 Aug '00

19 Aug '00

Does Veritas offer a class on Netbackup for NDMP ? if not can you please tell me how to restore an NDMP backup/ browse backup . -Oye Steve Kappel wrote: > >What will be the file path to set in order the backup a filer from / ? I'm > getting a > >manual backup failure error code (99) and I think it's because the file path is > not > >right. I set it to be vol/vol0/*. But I want it to backup the file system > without > >snapshots. How can I set up rules for backup i.e exclude files with .txt > extension > >e.t.c. ? > > NetApp backups never use the .snapshot directories unless you specifically > name them as the backup path. But the act of doing a NDMP backup on > NetApp will ALWAYS generate a new snapshot that is used to do the backup. > > You cannot use wildcards to do NDMP backups. You can use /vol/vol0 or > / which is an alias for /vol/vol0 on NetApp. > > NDMP protocol does not specify any mechanism for doing excludes. NetApp > has a proprietary mechanism by setting the NDMP environment variable > EXCLUDE. See NetApp documentation for exact syntax. I believe the > syntax of your class file list should be something like this: > > SET EXCLUDE=*.txt > /vol/vol0 > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Steve Kappel steve.kappel(a)veritas.com > VERITAS Software steve.kappel(a)iname.com (Personal)

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RE: RCS issues with ONTAP 5.4.3R2
by Clawson, Simon 18 Aug '00

18 Aug '00

Sorry, more clarification suggested.... We have a call open with the support team, who are at a bit of a loss too. I was hoping that there would be a user out there who has seen this too... We went up from 5.2.3 to 5.3.4R2. The user working on UNIX boxes are able to be checkout file with RCS exclusive locks. Users on PC's get "permission denied" The user "eegbuild" owns most of the files in the share where the problem is being experinced , however this has never caused an issue. We have fond that once the users check out files on unix (which changes ownership to them) then they can check out when working on the PC. Likewise, user can check out files owned by users other than eegbuild. The problem appears to be on the CIFS side of things. -----Original Message----- From: Clawson, Simon [mailto:simon_clawson] Sent: 17 August 2000 16:38 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RCS issues with ONTAP 5.4.3R2 Hi! We have upgraded (downgraded??) to 5.4.3R2. Everything seems to work apart from RCS access. User can open and lock files on UNIX boxes OK. However on PC, users cannot open and lock files that have been created by another user. This operation work fine up until this upgrade (Previously we were on 5.2.3) ANY ONE? cheers Simon Simon Clawson Renoir Group Systems Administrator Mentor Graphics Uk Rivergate London Road Newbury Berkshire RG14 2QB <<Clawson, Simon.vcf>>

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Re: NDMP Backups and restore with NetBackup
by Eyal Traitel 18 Aug '00

18 Aug '00

If you won't upgrade to 3.4, you can still "trick" NetBackup by entering the IP address for the alternate host in NetBackup machine's /etc/hosts. This is simple, and working too. Eyal. --- Steve Kappel <steve.kappel(a)raistlin.min.ov.com> wrote: > David Lockwood wrote: > >Consider the following scenario: > > > >Data is written to a volume on one NetApp filer, on the hour this > data is > mirrored using snapmirror to a remote filer. NetBackup is used, using > NDMP, to > backup the data from the remote filer (snapmirror copy). Backups work > fine and > are reliable until ..... > > > >.... you want to restore data. The Netbackup restore option for NDMP > types does > not appear to give any option for restoring data to any alternate > location. The > original location is of course an offline volume that is read only. > > > If by 'location' you mean a different NetApp, NetBackup calls this > "alternate client restore". NetBackup NDMP supports this beginning > in version 3.4 which was released recently. > > If you mean a different directory, NetBackup calls this "alternate > path restore" and NetBackup NDMP has supported that at least as far > back as 3.2. > > > If you need help on how to do this, email me privately and I'll > have someone here give you the details (depends on which user > interface you are using). > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > Steve Kappel steve.kappel(a)veritas.com > VERITAS Software steve.kappel(a)iname.com (Personal) > ===== Yours, Eyal Traitel eTraitel(a)yahoo.com, Home: 972-3-5290415 (Tel Aviv) *** eTraitel - it's the new eBuzzword ! *** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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Re: NDMP Backups and restore with NetBackup
by Steve Kappel 18 Aug '00

18 Aug '00

Oye Akintan wrote: >Does Veritas offer a class on Netbackup for NDMP ? Not yet. >if not can you please tell me how >to restore an NDMP backup/ browse backup . There is nothing special about NDMP. Standard NetBackup operations are all you need. Don't you have NetBackup manuals? The NetBackup NDMP System Administrator's Guide covers the questions you asked earlier - wildcards and exclude lists. __________________________________________________________________________ Steve Kappel steve.kappel(a)veritas.com VERITAS Software steve.kappel(a)iname.com (Personal)

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Re: restore going nuts!
by Eyal Traitel 18 Aug '00

18 Aug '00

You can try to use "rsync" - basically circumventing the problem. It will also be easier for you to find out on these bad files errors since rsync mentions things like "stat()" errors - easier to diag. Eyal. --- Steve Losen <scl(a)sasha.acc.virginia.edu> wrote: > > Has anyone seen this one? > > I have been having problems copying a volume to another volume > on the same filer. > > I did a level 0 copy with ndmpcopy and that appeared to work OK. > At the end the restore had these errors right before it exited: > > home1.Virginia.EDU: DUMP: HALT: The operation was successful! > Waiting for home1.Virginia.EDU RESTORE to halt too. > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: bad entry: > incomplete operations > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: name: > ./h1/e/en/enh7f/RSTTMP05989666 > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: parent > name ./h1/e/en/enh7f > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: sibling > name: ./h1/e/en/enh7f/Grigory Pechorin as Superflous Psychopath.doc > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: entry > type: LEAF > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: inode > number: 5989666 > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: flags: > TMPNAME > home1.Virginia.EDU: RESTORE: HALT: The operation was successful! > The transfer is complete. > Elapsed time: 12 hours, 13 minutes, 24 seconds. > > I'm not conviced that the restore was indeed 100% successful. > > This filer is production, so I can't do the whole copy during a > downtime. > A few days after the level0 I tried to do a level1 ndmpcopy to pick > up > any changes, and the restore failed with these errors: > > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: DUMP: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: dumping (Pass > IV) [regular files] > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: Warning: > cannot remove file banner.htm: No such file or directory > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: bad entry: > not marked REMOVED > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: name: > ./lowinum/banner.htm > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: parent > name ./lowinum > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: entry > type: LEAF > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: inode > number: 9024 > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: flags: > REMOVED|KEEP > home1.Virginia.EDU: RESTORE: HALT: The operation was successful! > Waiting for home1.Virginia.EDU DUMP to halt too. > (If it sits here forever, the transfer was successful, > but the source filer has hung. Press ^C.) > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: DUMP: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: Error writing > to standard output: Broken pipe > home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: DUMP: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: DUMP IS > ABORTED > home1.Virginia.EDU: Connection halted: HALT: Internal error! > Elapsed time: 0 hours, 21 minutes, 14 seconds. > > > Maybe it didn't like the restore_symboltable file or perhaps it > didn't > like the dump. After a few tries, with different snapshots, I gave > up. > So I decided I would have to use rsh dump | rsh restore and use the > "x" > option on restore rather than "r", which ndmpcopy uses. This would > simply > restore the level 1 dump without trying to remove files deleted on > the > live filesystem between the level0 and level1. I didn't trust the > restore_symboltable file, so I moved it aside, even though "x" isn't > supposed to use it. > > Then I ran this command: > > rsh filer -l root -n 'dump 1uf - /vol/vol0/.snapshot/level1' | \ > rsh filer -l root 'restore xfD - /vol/vol1' > > This seemed to be working fine and the dump finished according > to the output from rsh, but the restore is still running > over an hour later and it's gobbling up 100% of the filer > CPU. Furthermore, it seems to be ZEROING OUT ALL THE FILES > THAT IT RESTORED! > > While the dump was running, I checked my own home directory > on the new volume because I had changed some files after the > level0. Sure enough, some of the new files were there and intact, > so restore had restored them. Now that the dump is done, I > check those same files and they are all 0 length! What's > going on? > > This volume, has 120G used, but the level1 dump was only 3480944 K > according to dump (a bit over 3G). The new volume is twice as big > as the old one. > > The "rsh dump" process has exited, but the "rsh restore" > process is still there and the filer CPU is at 100%. > > I just killed the "rsh restore" and got this error: > > RESTORE: Interrupted > > Now the filer CPU is down to 10% or so. > > We are running DOT 5.3.5R2P2. > > > Steve Losen scl(a)virginia.edu phone: 804-924-0640 > > University of Virginia ITC Unix Support > ===== Yours, Eyal Traitel eTraitel(a)yahoo.com, Home: 972-3-5290415 (Tel Aviv) *** eTraitel - it's the new eBuzzword ! *** __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger. http://im.yahoo.com/

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Scheduling
by Edward Hibbert 18 Aug '00

18 Aug '00

I have a question on scheduling which you folks might have had some experience of. It's more of an appeal for help, really. We have a distributed POP/IMAP server which stores its data on a central NFS server. The app uses many (upto 100) pthreads, each of which might be issuing a disk op. Typically the pthreads are bound to an OS thread/LWP. We have acquired a non-exclusive file lock on the files to disable client-side caching. Under heavy load, what we see is that some individual write/read calls take an age to complete (upto several minutes). During this time period many other read/write calls are happening happily enough and fast from other threads. When the load lets up, the long ops complete. This behaviour becomes increasingly common as we increase the number of threads in the application - with 1 thread it doesn't happen, with 10 it's quite common, with 50 it's unbearable. We see this behaviour: - With both NetApp and Solaris as the NFS server. It takes more stress to kick in with NetApp, probably because it's faster. - With various OSs as the NFS client (Solaris, HP, Linux). It's almost as though there is last in first out thread scheduling going on somewhere, but although it feels like a client-side issue we can't tie it down to any one OS. We have some evidence that the behaviour may be better with NFS v2 rather than v3. When this is ocurring, it's not that the total throughput in disk read/write ops is poor - it's a little less than the peak we see - but that the scheduling is unfair. This is a problem for us because some of the disk ops are associated with a locked global resource, so if that disk op is delayed a lot, we get heavy contention on the resource, response times to individual user requests suffer, and so on. Have any of you seen anything like this? Edward Hibbert DCL.

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Re: [cricket-users] Negative SNMP counters (netapp)
by Matthew Stier 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

1) NetApp makes a great product. The problem is that their initial MIB was created in the SNMP v1 days; when the concept of counters and gauges did not exist. Hence the use of integers in places were we would expect to see counters. 2) RRDTool, and by extension Cricket, is based upon SNMP v2; where the concept of Counters and Gauges were introduced. 3) Due to historic reasons, the SNMP community does not permit the modification of objects once they are cast in stone. [Made public] OID's can be depreciated, but cannot be modified or eliminated. Note: This is were Network Appliance has fallen short. The INTEGER objects in the mib should have been declared historical long ago, and new objects created with a more appropriate object types. 4) The NetApp MIB is tightly tied to the OS release. Check the mib on the system being monitored. You may find that the SNMP v1 object you want to graph, may have been superseded by a SNMP v2 object. I switched from 'miscNfsOps' to 'tnfsCalls' when I upgraded the OS on my filers earlier this year. (I'm running 5.3.4R3) Benjamin Cooper wrote: > Wow, you people have been busy over the night. I didn't mean to turn > this into such a huge thread. > > Could someone send me a summary of what has been concluded? I have read > all the messages, and as far as I can see this are what has been > decided: > 1. NetApp is stupid and really screwed up. > 2. My graphs should work anyway. > 3. Since they don't I have to resort to using the exec collector, and > munge the data > myself. > > Is that a valid summary? Can someone tell me exactly (technically) why > it won't work the way I have it? > > -- > Benjamin Cooper > UCSA I/S Group > Hal Computer > (408) 341-5135 > > _______________________________________________ > cricket-users mailing list > cricket-users(a)lists.sourceforge.net > http://lists.sourceforge.net/mailman/listinfo/cricket-users -- Matthew Lee Stier * Fujitsu Network Communications Unix Systems Administrator | Two Blue Hill Plaza Ph: 914-731-2097 Fx: 914-731-2011 | Sixth Floor Matthew.Stier(a)fnc.fujitsu.com * Pearl River, NY 10965

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removal from mail list
by Peek_Jeff＠emc.com 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

Please remove me from this mail list. Some of this is good reading, but It fills up my mail box too quickly. I do appreciate what participation I had. Regards, Jeff

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restore going nuts!
by Steve Losen 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

Has anyone seen this one? I have been having problems copying a volume to another volume on the same filer. I did a level 0 copy with ndmpcopy and that appeared to work OK. At the end the restore had these errors right before it exited: home1.Virginia.EDU: DUMP: HALT: The operation was successful! Waiting for home1.Virginia.EDU RESTORE to halt too. home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: bad entry: incomplete operations home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: name: ./h1/e/en/enh7f/RSTTMP05989666 home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: parent name ./h1/e/en/enh7f home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: sibling name: ./h1/e/en/enh7f/Grigory Pechorin as Superflous Psychopath.doc home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: entry type: LEAF home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: inode number: 5989666 home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: flags: TMPNAME home1.Virginia.EDU: RESTORE: HALT: The operation was successful! The transfer is complete. Elapsed time: 12 hours, 13 minutes, 24 seconds. I'm not conviced that the restore was indeed 100% successful. This filer is production, so I can't do the whole copy during a downtime. A few days after the level0 I tried to do a level1 ndmpcopy to pick up any changes, and the restore failed with these errors: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: DUMP: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: dumping (Pass IV) [regular files] home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: Warning: cannot remove file banner.htm: No such file or directory home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: bad entry: not marked REMOVED home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: name: ./lowinum/banner.htm home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: parent name ./lowinum home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: entry type: LEAF home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: inode number: 9024 home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: RESTORE: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: flags: REMOVED|KEEP home1.Virginia.EDU: RESTORE: HALT: The operation was successful! Waiting for home1.Virginia.EDU DUMP to halt too. (If it sits here forever, the transfer was successful, but the source filer has hung. Press ^C.) home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: DUMP: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: Error writing to standard output: Broken pipe home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: DUMP: home1.Virginia.EDU: LOG: DUMP IS ABORTED home1.Virginia.EDU: Connection halted: HALT: Internal error! Elapsed time: 0 hours, 21 minutes, 14 seconds. Maybe it didn't like the restore_symboltable file or perhaps it didn't like the dump. After a few tries, with different snapshots, I gave up. So I decided I would have to use rsh dump | rsh restore and use the "x" option on restore rather than "r", which ndmpcopy uses. This would simply restore the level 1 dump without trying to remove files deleted on the live filesystem between the level0 and level1. I didn't trust the restore_symboltable file, so I moved it aside, even though "x" isn't supposed to use it. Then I ran this command: rsh filer -l root -n 'dump 1uf - /vol/vol0/.snapshot/level1' | \ rsh filer -l root 'restore xfD - /vol/vol1' This seemed to be working fine and the dump finished according to the output from rsh, but the restore is still running over an hour later and it's gobbling up 100% of the filer CPU. Furthermore, it seems to be ZEROING OUT ALL THE FILES THAT IT RESTORED! While the dump was running, I checked my own home directory on the new volume because I had changed some files after the level0. Sure enough, some of the new files were there and intact, so restore had restored them. Now that the dump is done, I check those same files and they are all 0 length! What's going on? This volume, has 120G used, but the level1 dump was only 3480944 K according to dump (a bit over 3G). The new volume is twice as big as the old one. The "rsh dump" process has exited, but the "rsh restore" process is still there and the filer CPU is at 100%. I just killed the "rsh restore" and got this error: RESTORE: Interrupted Now the filer CPU is down to 10% or so. We are running DOT 5.3.5R2P2. Steve Losen scl(a)virginia.edu phone: 804-924-0640 University of Virginia ITC Unix Support

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by Lynn Gurske 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

Please add me to this mailing list Thanks Lynn

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Re: NDMP Backups and restore with NetBackup
by Steve Kappel 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

David Lockwood wrote: >Consider the following scenario: > >Data is written to a volume on one NetApp filer, on the hour this data is mirrored using snapmirror to a remote filer. NetBackup is used, using NDMP, to backup the data from the remote filer (snapmirror copy). Backups work fine and are reliable until ..... > >.... you want to restore data. The Netbackup restore option for NDMP types does not appear to give any option for restoring data to any alternate location. The original location is of course an offline volume that is read only. If by 'location' you mean a different NetApp, NetBackup calls this "alternate client restore". NetBackup NDMP supports this beginning in version 3.4 which was released recently. If you mean a different directory, NetBackup calls this "alternate path restore" and NetBackup NDMP has supported that at least as far back as 3.2. If you need help on how to do this, email me privately and I'll have someone here give you the details (depends on which user interface you are using). __________________________________________________________________________ Steve Kappel steve.kappel(a)veritas.com VERITAS Software steve.kappel(a)iname.com (Personal)

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RE: RCS issues with ONTAP 5.4.3R2
by Muhlestein, Mark 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

This is likely bug #21019, fixed in 5.3.5. Check with NetApp support to get the exact recommended version, since the fix exists in many releases. Mark Muhlestein -- mmm(a)netapp.com <mailto:mmm@netapp.com> -----Original Message----- From: Clawson, Simon [mailto:simon_clawson@mentorg.com] Sent: Thursday, August 17, 2000 9:45 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: RCS issues with ONTAP 5.4.3R2 Sorry, more clarification suggested.... We have a call open with the support team, who are at a bit of a loss too. I was hoping that there would be a user out there who has seen this too... We went up from 5.2.3 to 5.3.4R2. The user working on UNIX boxes are able to be checkout file with RCS exclusive locks. Users on PC's get "permission denied" The user "eegbuild" owns most of the files in the share where the problem is being experinced , however this has never caused an issue. We have fond that once the users check out files on unix (which changes ownership to them) then they can check out when working on the PC. Likewise, user can check out files owned by users other than eegbuild. The problem appears to be on the CIFS side of things. -----Original Message----- From: Clawson, Simon [mailto:simon_clawson] Sent: 17 August 2000 16:38 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RCS issues with ONTAP 5.4.3R2 Hi! We have upgraded (downgraded??) to 5.4.3R2. Everything seems to work apart from RCS access. User can open and lock files on UNIX boxes OK. However on PC, users cannot open and lock files that have been created by another user. This operation work fine up until this upgrade (Previously we were on 5.2.3) ANY ONE? cheers Simon Simon Clawson Renoir Group Systems Administrator Mentor Graphics Uk Rivergate London Road Newbury Berkshire RG14 2QB <<Clawson, Simon.vcf>>

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quota -v user
by Stephen C. Woods 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

We had an interesting problem yesterday. We're running a 740 with 5.3.4r2. When the problem showed up (yesterday AM) we had been up for some 142 days (I just love these machines). On AIX and HPUX machines quota -v user hung for several minutes and then returned no information. Solaris machines on the same networks returned right away with the correct information. This morning I rebooted the filer and the problem went away. Tech support hadn't a clue. Has anyone seen this before? ----- Stephen C. Woods; UCLA SEASnet; 2567 Boelter hall; LA CA 90095; (310)-825-8614 Finger for public key scw(a)kinross.seas.ucla.edu,Internet mail:scw@SEAS.UCLA.EDU

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NDMP Backups and restore with NetBackup
by David Lockwood 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

Consider the following scenario: Data is written to a volume on one NetApp filer, on the hour this data is mirrored using snapmirror to a remote filer. NetBackup is used, using NDMP, to backup the data from the remote filer (snapmirror copy). Backups work fine and are reliable until ..... .... you want to restore data. The Netbackup restore option for NDMP types does not appear to give any option for restoring data to any alternate location. The original location is of course an offline volume that is read only. Has anyone got any bright ideas about how this could be overcome. Thanks David ---------------------------------------------------------------------- For further information on Benetton Formula 1 visit our web site at www.benettonf1.com. This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please destroy and notify Benetton Formula on +44 1608678000. ----------------------------------------------------------------------

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RCS issues with ONTAP 5.4.3R2
by Clawson, Simon 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

Hi! We have upgraded (downgraded??) to 5.4.3R2. Everything seems to work apart from RCS access. User can open and lock files on UNIX boxes OK. However on PC, users cannot open and lock files that have been created by another user. This operation work fine up until this upgrade (Previously we were on 5.2.3) ANY ONE? cheers Simon Simon Clawson Renoir Group Systems Administrator Mentor Graphics Uk Rivergate London Road Newbury Berkshire RG14 2QB <<Clawson, Simon.vcf>>

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RE: Snapshots and Oracle
by Yarmas, Tom 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

That's right. The SCN corresponds to the "The checkpoint, i.e., a record indicating the point in the redo log such that all database changes prior to this point have been saved in the datafiles." The part of my post that you included in your message was cut and pasted from the Oracle documentation. The TR produced by NetApp is intended as an example of how to use Snapshots to backup an Oracle database. It is certainly important that any DBA/SA familiarize themselves with the Oracle Backup and Recovery Guide, and fully understand what needs to be backed up in order to be able to recover from various failures as they relate to an Oracle Instance. It is also important that recovery scenarios be practiced. The Snapshot technology simply gives the DBA a virtual online copy of the datafiles that are stored on the Filer. There are many parts of the Oracle database, and many variations on which parts any individual might store on a Filer for any given Oracle Instance. It is important that no parts that are required for recovery are forgotten during a backup. -tom > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Chaves [mailto:gustavo@cpqd.com.br] > Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2000 8:02 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Snapshots and Oracle > > > >>>>> "Yarmas" == Yarmas, Tom <Tom.Yarmas(a)netapp.com> writes: > > Yarmas> The control file contains: The database name. The timestamp > Yarmas> of database creation. The names of the database's datafiles > Yarmas> and online and archived redo log files. The checkpoint, > Yarmas> i.e., a record indicating the point in the redo log such > Yarmas> that all database changes prior to this point have been > Yarmas> saved in the datafiles. Information on backups (when using > Yarmas> the Recovery Manager utility). > > I'm no expert but W. Curtis Preston tells on page 459 of his book > 'UNIX Backup & Recovery' (from O'Reilly) that Oracle's control files > keep something called an SCN (System Change Number) for each database > object. In particular, whenever a datafile is modified its SCN is > incremented in it and in the control files. From this I gather that > control files are changed after every database change, which means we > *must* back them up whenever we backup the database. > > Gustavo. >

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Re: Configuring Netbackup for NDMP 3.2
by Steve Kappel 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

Oye Akintan wrote: >I used tsdtest -r and I got a different kind of error >it says: >scsi command failed >Sense key: Illegal Request (0x5) >Invalid move attempted (ASC 0x24, ASCQ 0x0) > >The tape is set to target 6 on SCSI id 0 on netapp so i set the command > >I'm guessing something is wrong with this setting. How can I resolve this ? Someone here said that these DLT4700 stackers always have the drive on LUN 0 and the robotic control on LUN 1. Try set_ndmp_attr -robot servername spt0 0 6 1 __________________________________________________________________________ Steve Kappel steve.kappel(a)veritas.com VERITAS Software steve.kappel(a)iname.com (Personal)

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Re: Configuring Netbackup for NDMP 3.2
by Steve Kappel 17 Aug '00

17 Aug '00

>Oye Akintan wrote: >>We have a F230 running Data Ontap 5.2.3 with a Quantum DLT4700 directly >>attached to it. I'm running Netbackup for Veritas 3.2 and Netbackup for >>NDMP 3.2. I've installed jumbo patch 0820413. I'm having problem >>configuring the storage device. I ran the command set_ndmp_attr -robot . >>The sys admin guide says to test it using tldtest -r servername:spt0 but >>when I ran this command, the mode sense failed with the following error: >> >>mode_sense failed, CHECK CONDITION >>sense key = 0x5, asc = 0x24, ascq = 0x0, INVALID FIELD IN CDB >> Can anyone tell me what I can do to fix it ? > >Is this a standalone drive? If so, then there is no robot to configure. >tldtest -r tests the robot. I was just reminded (thanks Bill Roth @ NetApp) that DLT4700 drives only work in stackers. In NetBackup that is robot type TSD, not TLD. So the test program would be tsdtest. __________________________________________________________________________ Steve Kappel steve.kappel(a)veritas.com VERITAS Software steve.kappel(a)iname.com (Personal)

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Re: Snapshots and Oracle
by Gustavo Chaves 16 Aug '00

16 Aug '00

>>>>> "Yarmas" == Yarmas, Tom <Tom.Yarmas(a)netapp.com> writes: Yarmas> The control file contains: The database name. The timestamp Yarmas> of database creation. The names of the database's datafiles Yarmas> and online and archived redo log files. The checkpoint, Yarmas> i.e., a record indicating the point in the redo log such Yarmas> that all database changes prior to this point have been Yarmas> saved in the datafiles. Information on backups (when using Yarmas> the Recovery Manager utility). I'm no expert but W. Curtis Preston tells on page 459 of his book 'UNIX Backup & Recovery' (from O'Reilly) that Oracle's control files keep something called an SCN (System Change Number) for each database object. In particular, whenever a datafile is modified its SCN is incremented in it and in the control files. From this I gather that control files are changed after every database change, which means we *must* back them up whenever we backup the database. Gustavo.

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