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IIS 5 - pass thtough authentication
by Mathew Anderson 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

I was wondering if, with IIS 5, the "Pass Through Authentication" problem was solved. This is in reguards to http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3078.html (Integrating a NetApp Filer with Microsoft IIS 4.0) Thanks! -Mathew Mathew Anderson Systems Administration NM Technet Oso Grande Technologies, Inc. mathew(a)nm.net mathew(a)osogrande.net

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RE: Splitting large volumes
by Mike Sphar 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

For the record, I used ndmpcopy to migrate from a F230 to an F740, and had zero problems with it. -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Services, BOFH, GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD -----Original Message----- From: John Stoffel [mailto:john@casc.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 7:02 AM To: Cliff.Dobbs(a)arm.com Cc: Premanshu Jain; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Splitting large volumes Cliff> I've decided not to use ndmpcopy as a colleague of mine had an Cliff> absolute nightmare with it when he moved from SCSI to FC-AL. Can you go into this in more detail, since this is exactly what I'll be doing when I migrate from an F520 to an F740 sometime in september/october timeframe. From the looks of things, nmdpcopy should do a great job, but the more details of people's problems that I get, the happier I am. Thanks, John x27548

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Backup Solutions for NetApps
by Premanshu Jain 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

Present Backup scheme : Spectra Logic Tree frog's attached directly to 740's running dump scripts. I am looking for a solution which can smartly backup 3 TB of data split into several 300 GB volumes on two 760's / 840's (Proposed) . Would welcome suggestions/Comments on the following: Backup library supporting SCSI/Fibre Channel. Better options compared to Spectra logic . (AIT ones) Backup management software - Netbackup/Legato/Workstation Backup server Hardware - SUN box optimum configuration. Premanshu Jain IS Engineering Support Lead Nortel Networks, Carrier Packet Solutions IP Services Division 2305, Mission College Blvd, Santa Clara, CA 95054 Direct: (408) 565-3573 ESN: 655-3573 eMail: prjain(a)shastanets.com Web: http://www.nortelnetworks.com/ipservices

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Netapp snapshots & reserved disk space
by Richard 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

I was having trouble setting the snap reserve to 0% on our mirror, it keeps on giving dumb df output, as it has used over 100% of the disk? snap reserve: volume vol0 is snapmirrored, operation not permitted Any idea how to do this? Richard

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RE: Splitting large volumes
by Mohler, Jeff 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

I heard Premanshu Jain (Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 05:13:11PM -0700) say > I had a 550 GB volume on my 740 Filer and need to split into two during my > plan to migrate the stuff on a new 760 Filer. Can somebody suggest a nice > way out...? > prem Depending on the nature of your system, consider 'soft' solutions. If your data is in great big lumps then a vol copy is probably your fastest solution. --- This will not work as vol copy requires an equal or larger sized volume to copy to.

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Completely shut off snapshots & reserved disk space
by Pesce, Nicholas (FUSA) 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

Many people replied to my question about turning off snapshots. I guess it comes down to it, which method not only turns off the snapshot, but also turns off the systems reserving of disk space. (I know if I manually set it I will be ok) but does the command snap sched vol0 0 0 0 do it or does vol options <volume name> nosnap on I just don't want to have turned off snapshots, but still have the filer reserving space for them (I know this sounds kooky but I don't know if the microkernel will automatically save the space reguardless.) -----Original Message----- From: Summers, John [mailto:John.Summers@netapp.com] Sent: Tuesday, August 29, 2000 6:36 AM To: 'Pesce, Nicholas (FUSA)' Subject: RE: Completely shut off snapshots Hi, From the filer type snap sched vol0 0 0 0 Repeat for each volume. This is permanent until the next snap sched is issued. It can also be place in the /etc/rc file on vol0. John Summers NetWork Appliance -----Original Message----- From: Pesce, Nicholas (FUSA) [mailto:Nicholaspesce@firstusa.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 4:51 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Completely shut off snapshots I'm setting no snapshots to be running and my disk usage to 0% (The machine is used as a cache server only, and the data is not critical in any way shape or form. Is there an alternative method to shutting off snapshots? (i.e a snapshot off command, or something like that)

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Re: Splitting large volumes
by Cliff.Dobbs＠arm.com 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

This is very interesting to me, as I am about to do almost exactly the same thing. We have (don't laugh, please) a single 700GB volume which I want to split in to smaller volumes. To do this we have purchased a new 760 with 8 shelves ( we need more capacity anyway). What I plan to do is use rdist or rsync to copy the data from the old volume to the new volumes. Once the initial (level 0 ) copy is done I will keep up with daily incrementals until such a time as we can arrange a short down time to do a final copy and then re-rack the shelves to split them across the two heads. Hey presto. I've decided not to use ndmpcopy as a colleague of mine had an absolute nightmare with it when he moved from SCSI to FC-AL. Cliff Dobbs Systems Administrator ARM Ltd Tel: +44 1223 400430 Fax: +44 1223 400410 e-mail: Cliff.Dobbs(a)arm.com I had a 550 GB volume on my 740 Filer and need to split into two during my plan to migrate the stuff on a new 760 Filer. Can somebody suggest a nice way out...? prem -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Sherman [mailto:ajs@ajs.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 2:25 PM To: Bruce Sterling Woodcock Cc: Sam Schorr; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Console "Servers" On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 12:09:41PM -0700, Bruce Sterling Woodcock wrote: > From: "Sam Schorr" <sschorr(a)homestead-inc.com> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:37 AM > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a console connection server? > > We have 14 filers and growing and I'm looking for some > > centralized, easy serial connection box. I have used Annex in the > > past for UNIX, but thought maybe some folks out there in > > toasterland might have some ideas to share. > Livingston^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hucent Portmasters (2e) also > work well and might be a little cheaper than an Annex. On the pricy side, we have a Cisco 2511, and it does a very nice job. -- Aaron Sherman Systems Architect HighWired.com -- The global high school community http://www.highwired.com 300 North Beacon Street Watertown, MA 02472 (617) 926-1850 x238 (617) 926-1861 fax asherman(a)highwired-inc.com / ICQ#43677395 / Y!ajstrader "We had some good machines, but they don't work no more." -"Faded Flowers" / Shriekback

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RE: Completely shut off snapshots
by Mohler, Jeff 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

vol options <volume name> nosnap on -----Original Message----- From: Pesce, Nicholas (FUSA) [mailto:Nicholaspesce@firstusa.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 1:51 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Completely shut off snapshots I'm setting no snapshots to be running and my disk usage to 0% (The machine is used as a cache server only, and the data is not critical in any way shape or form. Is there an alternative method to shutting off snapshots? (i.e a snapshot off command, or something like that)

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RE: Removing disks from a volume
by Mike Sphar 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

I agree, I think this is a really good idea for an enhancement request. Especially useful for inexperienced admins (or those muddle-headed from their 4th 18-hour day this week). -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Services, BOFH, GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:37 AM To: Brian Tao Cc: Mike Sphar; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Removing disks from a volume On Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 11:12:14AM -0400, Brian Tao wrote: > > Indeed... recovery could be costly and/or awkward. Perhaps Netapp > would consider a "safety feature" enhancement for "vol add/create" > command where by default it will not allow a situation in which a > volume/raidgroup is left with no hot spares. Add a "-f" switch (or > whatever) to force an override. Warm fuzzy feature. :) This is a great idea. And should be only a couple line of intern-level code to implement too. -- Jeff -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Krueger E-Mail: jeff(a)qualcomm.com Senior Engineer Phone: 858-651-6709 NetApp Filers / UNIX Infrastructure Fax: 858-651-6627 QUALCOMM, Inc. IT Engineering Web: www.qualcomm.com

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Splitting large volumes
by Premanshu Jain 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

I had a 550 GB volume on my 740 Filer and need to split into two during my plan to migrate the stuff on a new 760 Filer. Can somebody suggest a nice way out...? prem -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Sherman [mailto:ajs@ajs.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 2:25 PM To: Bruce Sterling Woodcock Cc: Sam Schorr; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Console "Servers" On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 12:09:41PM -0700, Bruce Sterling Woodcock wrote: > From: "Sam Schorr" <sschorr(a)homestead-inc.com> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:37 AM > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a console connection server? > > We have 14 filers and growing and I'm looking for some > > centralized, easy serial connection box. I have used Annex in the > > past for UNIX, but thought maybe some folks out there in > > toasterland might have some ideas to share. > Livingston^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hucent Portmasters (2e) also > work well and might be a little cheaper than an Annex. On the pricy side, we have a Cisco 2511, and it does a very nice job. -- Aaron Sherman Systems Architect HighWired.com -- The global high school community http://www.highwired.com 300 North Beacon Street Watertown, MA 02472 (617) 926-1850 x238 (617) 926-1861 fax asherman(a)highwired-inc.com / ICQ#43677395 / Y!ajstrader "We had some good machines, but they don't work no more." -"Faded Flowers" / Shriekback

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RE: Splitting large volumes
by Brookes, Matt 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

Hi Jain, Take a look at "Migrating Data Between NetApp Filers" http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3018.html It doesn't cover all the possibilities, (such as connecting the source drives to the destination filer, which has a number of issues you need to be comfortable with), but it will give you a good overview of most of the options available to you. Also some, such as volcopy & SnapMirror, wont apply in this case where you're splitting the volume. Regards, Matt. > -----Original Message----- > From: Premanshu Jain [mailto:PrJain@shastanets.com] > Sent: 29 August 2000 01:13 > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Splitting large volumes > > > I had a 550 GB volume on my 740 Filer and need to split into > two during my > plan to migrate the stuff on a new 760 Filer. Can somebody > suggest a nice > way out...? > prem > > -----Original Message----- > From: Aaron Sherman [mailto:ajs@ajs.com] > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 2:25 PM > To: Bruce Sterling Woodcock > Cc: Sam Schorr; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Console "Servers" > > > On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 12:09:41PM -0700, Bruce Sterling > Woodcock wrote: > > > From: "Sam Schorr" <sschorr(a)homestead-inc.com> > > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:37 AM > > > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a console connection server? > > > We have 14 filers and growing and I'm looking for some > > > centralized, easy serial connection box. I have used Annex in the > > > past for UNIX, but thought maybe some folks out there in > > > toasterland might have some ideas to share. > > > Livingston^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hucent Portmasters (2e) also > > work well and might be a little cheaper than an Annex. > > On the pricy side, we have a Cisco 2511, and it does a very nice job. > > -- > Aaron Sherman > Systems Architect > HighWired.com -- The global high school community > http://www.highwired.com > > 300 North Beacon Street > Watertown, MA 02472 > (617) 926-1850 x238 > (617) 926-1861 fax > asherman(a)highwired-inc.com / ICQ#43677395 / Y!ajstrader > > "We had some good machines, but they don't work no more." > -"Faded Flowers" / Shriekback >

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RE: Removing disks from a volume
by Mohler, Jeff 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

Its my understanding that the filer will not (by default) allow you to consume all disks in a system and leave no spares. (this answers the initial issue of running out of spares) But on the other hand pre-installation planning cannot be over stated. -----Original Message----- From: Tuc [mailto:ttsg@ttsg.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 6:51 PM To: mikey(a)remedy.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Removing disks from a volume > > I agree, I think this is a really good idea for an enhancement request. > Especially useful for inexperienced admins (or those muddle-headed from > their 4th 18-hour day this week). > After this weekend, an option that double checks when you initially install the filer to ask "I know you said you wanted to add 2 disks to the root group, did you really mean this or was it 2 disks total you want in the root group". Only took me an hour to recover, but STILL! Thanks, Tuc/TTSG > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:37 AM > To: Brian Tao > Cc: Mike Sphar; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Removing disks from a volume > > On Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 11:12:14AM -0400, Brian Tao wrote: > > > > Indeed... recovery could be costly and/or awkward. Perhaps Netapp > > would consider a "safety feature" enhancement for "vol add/create" > > command where by default it will not allow a situation in which a > > volume/raidgroup is left with no hot spares. Add a "-f" switch (or > > whatever) to force an override. Warm fuzzy feature. :) > > This is a great idea. And should be only a couple line of intern-level > code to implement too. > > -- Jeff >

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Netapp DLT4000's - Internal - $650.00
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

We have three DLT4000 tape drives pulled from F330's -- $650.00 apiece, SCSI cable included, with 30 day warranty. Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 (612) 935-7282 (612) 935-5056 - FAX www.unioncomputer.com

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Problems with NetBackup schedules
by Rick Stevens 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

Fellow toasters: We're trying to use Veritas NetBackup 3.2GA (patched to the ...443 patch for Solaris) to backup a couple of f760s. The NDMP module is installed and patched. There's a tape library shared between the two filers, each with 2 AIT-2 drives. The connection between the filers and the library is SCSI-diff, from the main board SCSI connection. NDMPd is running on the filer and we can exercise the robotics with no problems from the NetBackup server (a SPARC Ultra 10 running Solaris 2.7). Everything seems to be configured properly, as far as we can tell. The class we created seems to run "manual backups" without too much problem. But the scheduled backups for large filer volume typically do not complete successfully. Such backups get underway and write some number of gigabytes to tape (like 45GB or more or the 450GB volume) and then the backup ends prematurely with a status 196 (suggesting the backup was trying to run outside its backup window). We tried adding the /etc/system changes suggested in the release notes for Solaris, but this did not seem to help much. Also, does anybody fully understand the interaction between "duration" and the schedules' start times? It looks like backup may be failing when they start BEFORE the duration ends, but when they are still running AFTER the duration ends. --rick _________________________________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at http://profiles.msn.com.

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Re: Network Appliance Confidential Information
by Darrell Fuhriman 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

"Stephen J. Wilcox" <steve(a)opaltelecom.co.uk> writes: > Thats a "no" I think David.. never mind that it's the worst kept secret I've seen in a while. :) Darrell

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RE: Splitting large volumes
by Mohler, Jeff 29 Aug '00

29 Aug '00

There are more than a few ways to do this..but all at the root involve backuping your data, destroying the large volume, and rebuilding <x> smaller volumes. Then restoring that data selectively into whatever volumes you want what data..and rebuilding your /etc/exports and on your clients the shares/mount points so it all still looks like it did before. You could backup to tape, dump to a file on another filer..etc..but theres no easy way out. -----Original Message----- From: Premanshu Jain [mailto:PrJain@shastanets.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 5:13 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Splitting large volumes I had a 550 GB volume on my 740 Filer and need to split into two during my plan to migrate the stuff on a new 760 Filer. Can somebody suggest a nice way out...? prem -----Original Message----- From: Aaron Sherman [mailto:ajs@ajs.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 2:25 PM To: Bruce Sterling Woodcock Cc: Sam Schorr; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Console "Servers" On Mon, Aug 28, 2000 at 12:09:41PM -0700, Bruce Sterling Woodcock wrote: > From: "Sam Schorr" <sschorr(a)homestead-inc.com> > Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:37 AM > > Does anyone have a recommendation for a console connection server? > > We have 14 filers and growing and I'm looking for some > > centralized, easy serial connection box. I have used Annex in the > > past for UNIX, but thought maybe some folks out there in > > toasterland might have some ideas to share. > Livingston^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hucent Portmasters (2e) also > work well and might be a little cheaper than an Annex. On the pricy side, we have a Cisco 2511, and it does a very nice job. -- Aaron Sherman Systems Architect HighWired.com -- The global high school community http://www.highwired.com 300 North Beacon Street Watertown, MA 02472 (617) 926-1850 x238 (617) 926-1861 fax asherman(a)highwired-inc.com / ICQ#43677395 / Y!ajstrader "We had some good machines, but they don't work no more." -"Faded Flowers" / Shriekback

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Console "Servers"
by Sam Schorr 28 Aug '00

28 Aug '00

Does anyone have a recommendation for a console connection server? We have 14 filers and growing and I'm looking for some centralized, easy serial connection box. I have used Annex in the past for UNIX, but thought maybe some folks out there in toasterland might have some ideas to share. Thanks in advance for any advice! Sam Schorr Homestead.com ph: (650) 549-3152 fax: (650) 364-7329 sschorr(a)homestead-inc.com http://www.homestead.com Homestead: It's a new world. Make your place.

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RE: Console "Servers"
by Premanshu Jain 28 Aug '00

28 Aug '00

We are using a baynetworks console server. However, its a crude/weiry stuff, but works excellant..... prem Premanshu Jain IS Engineering Support Lead Nortel Networks, Carrier Packet Solutions IP Services Division 2305, Mission College Blvd, Santa Clara, CA 95054 Direct: (408) 565-3573 ESN: 655-3573 eMail: prjain(a)shastanets.com Web: http://www.nortelnetworks.com/ipservices -----Original Message----- From: Sam Schorr [mailto:sschorr@homestead-inc.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 11:38 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Console "Servers" Does anyone have a recommendation for a console connection server? We have 14 filers and growing and I'm looking for some centralized, easy serial connection box. I have used Annex in the past for UNIX, but thought maybe some folks out there in toasterland might have some ideas to share. Thanks in advance for any advice! Sam Schorr Homestead.com ph: (650) 549-3152 fax: (650) 364-7329 sschorr(a)homestead-inc.com http://www.homestead.com Homestead: It's a new world. Make your place.

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Network Appliance Confidential Information
by Hansen, Paul 28 Aug '00

28 Aug '00

To Whom it May Concern, Network Appliance has a policy not to comment on product futures or any other information that has not been released to the public. Any persons that, in fact, are in possession of Network Appliance proprietary information, be reminded they are under confidentiality obligations not to disclose such information. Paul Hansen Sr. Director Product Marketing 408.822.3125 Telephone 408.822.4577 Fax phansen(a)netapp.com NetworkAppliance 495 East Java Drive Sunnyvale, CA 94089 -----Original Message----- From: David Midgett [mailto:DMidgett@about-inc.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 12:56 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com <mailto:toasters@mathworks.com> Subject: F840 Release date Does anyone know what the planned release date of the F840 filer is? Also when will a Recommended release of Ontap 6.0 be out for the F760? It will be nice to get the additional filesystem capacity. David Midgett Manager, Server Operations About The Human Internet http://www.About.com <http://www.About.com>

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Completely shut off snapshots
by Pesce, Nicholas (FUSA) 28 Aug '00

28 Aug '00

I'm setting no snapshots to be running and my disk usage to 0% (The machine is used as a cache server only, and the data is not critical in any way shape or form. Is there an alternative method to shutting off snapshots? (i.e a snapshot off command, or something like that)

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Replies to Console Information
by Sam Schorr 28 Aug '00

28 Aug '00

Folks, Thanks to all of you who responded to my request. My team has lots to follow-up on. Lightswitch, PortMaster, Cisco's 2511 & 2621, DECServer (from Compaq) and a few others give us plenty to digest. Thanks again from one of the most productive mail lists around. Sam Schorr Homestead.com ph: (650) 549-3152 fax: (650) 364-7329 sschorr(a)homestead-inc.com http://www.homestead.com Homestead: It's a new world. Make your place.

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F840 Release date
by David Midgett 28 Aug '00

28 Aug '00

Does anyone know what the planned release date of the F840 filer is? Also when will a Recommended release of Ontap 6.0 be out for the F760? It will be nice to get the additional filesystem capacity. David Midgett Manager, Server Operations About The Human Internet http://www.About.com

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Re: (offtopic) Solaris & Jukeboxes
by Darrell Fuhriman 28 Aug '00

28 Aug '00

Jay Orr <orrjl(a)stl.nexen.com> writes: > Anyone know where I can find software to contol Overland Data jukeboxes > that runs on Solaris (that's free)? If it's a generic SCSI robot, do a search for 'mtx' -- that should do what you need. I can send a copy if you need it. Darrell

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RE: Removing disks from a volume
by Datta, Diptish 28 Aug '00

28 Aug '00

I have filed an RFE for this request. I agree - this would be a simple and a good enhancement. -diptish -----Original Message----- From: Mike Sphar [mailto:mikey@remedy.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:42 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Removing disks from a volume I agree, I think this is a really good idea for an enhancement request. Especially useful for inexperienced admins (or those muddle-headed from their 4th 18-hour day this week). -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Services, BOFH, GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] Sent: Monday, August 28, 2000 10:37 AM To: Brian Tao Cc: Mike Sphar; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Removing disks from a volume On Sat, Aug 26, 2000 at 11:12:14AM -0400, Brian Tao wrote: > > Indeed... recovery could be costly and/or awkward. Perhaps Netapp > would consider a "safety feature" enhancement for "vol add/create" > command where by default it will not allow a situation in which a > volume/raidgroup is left with no hot spares. Add a "-f" switch (or > whatever) to force an override. Warm fuzzy feature. :) This is a great idea. And should be only a couple line of intern-level code to implement too. -- Jeff -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Krueger E-Mail: jeff(a)qualcomm.com Senior Engineer Phone: 858-651-6709 NetApp Filers / UNIX Infrastructure Fax: 858-651-6627 QUALCOMM, Inc. IT Engineering Web: www.qualcomm.com

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(offtopic) Solaris & Jukeboxes
by Jay Orr 28 Aug '00

28 Aug '00

Anyone know where I can find software to contol Overland Data jukeboxes that runs on Solaris (that's free)? Thanks! ----------- Jay Orr Systems Administrator Fujitsu Nexion Inc. St. Louis, MO

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