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Migration Strategies, what are you doing?
by John Stoffel 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Hi guys, I've been mulling over migration strategies, and babysitting a migration from a F520 with four shelves of 9gb disks to an F740 with three shelves of 36Gb disks. It's a pain. ndmpcopy works great for level 0, but has had problems with level 1 copies in my experience. So I'm using rsync 2.4.6 to do the level 1 copies of data to keep things upto date. But it tends to hang, so I have to babysit it all the time. Not good. Now I know I could use snapmirror to make this migration painless, but that would mean that I'd have to dedicate two 36gb disks on my F740 to the root volume, and then make a second volume with the remaining disks, leaving one spare of course. So I'm losing capacity, but I'm starting to think that this is the way to go, if only to keep my sanity. And I have another migration to do from an F330 to an F740 with one shelf of disks. In that case, I *really* don't want to dedicate two 35Gb disks to the root vol, and the rest are in a data volume. So what should I do? ------------------------------------ So what are other people doing when they have to migrate 200-300gb of data from an older netapp to an F740? Are you making a small root volume, and then putting the rest of the disks into a new volume so you can do snap-mirror to cut down the hassles? Are you just doing what I'm doing now, which is ndmpcopy and rsycn? Are you just shutting down and doing a dump/restore or level 0 ndmpcopy and to hell with the downtime? Or is there a secret source of 2gb FC-AL disks that I can put into an FC9 shelf for my root volume? What I'd like to see from NetApp. ------------------------------------- With the growth in size of disks, I think it's time to re-think how the root volume is managed and configured. The NetApps are there to serve data, and should be even more optimized for that role. But I should not have to sacrifice disk space to make data migrations work smoothly because I need to dedicate two of my large data disks to my root volume, which only takes what, 1gb at most? Heh, I just looked at /etc/ on my F740, it's only 58mb of stuff. It would be great if NetApp would start putting in a pair of PCMCIA slots on the front panel to hold the root volume. Each slot would hold a solid-state 120mb (or bigger) disk, which would only do the root volume. No moving parts, it's mirrored, etc. Nice and simple. Heck, they could just keep using the WAFL filesystem on there and take the hit. I'd even go for *three* slots so I can keep a hot spare online. Then we'd have a dedicated data volume using all the big, slow disks for my data storage. Instantly, you'd make migrations of data much faster and easier since we would cut around the snapmirror limitations of using the root volume as the destination. Another silly idea. -------------------- Or how about the ability to snapmirror qtrees to a root volume on another system? That would be great too! And no need to change the hardware setup as I propose above, it would just *work* right out of the box. Summary ---------------- Please Give me feedback on my migration, I'm so darn tempted to just lose two disks in my root volume and stuff the rest into a data volume. To hell with the wasted space, my time is more costly. Thanks, John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548

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RE: Data Migration Question
by Benn, Paul 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Hi Jim, A number of tools exist for migrating NDS to AD or even NT domains but unfortunately the data migration process is a manual one. Using Backup Exec is a good idea because you'll end up with a backup of the data. It does, as you obviously know, take over twice as long to migrate the data. The best way to do this is to migrate the user data over in groups [of users]. Use one or more powerful workstations with dual redirectors installed to move the data. Once moved, set the permissions manually. It does seem tedious but if you break up the migrations into groups and then do it over several weekends, it's not so painful (I've actually lived through it). If you get a couple of admins in working in parallel, this can go pretty fast. Though (in my experience), the bottleneck is usually the NetWare server, you can tweak the filer a bit so that it performs better while the migration is in process. Take a look at these tweaks from my white paper on IIS: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3078.html#4.3 Best Regards, Paul Benn Network Appliance -----Original Message----- From: Collins, Jim [mailto:JCollins@sandc.com] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:09 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Data Migration Question I am migrating directories & files from a Novell Server to a F740 box. I am currently using Backup Exec to transfer the data. This is fine for Shared information that everyone has full control on. Can anyone suggest what I might use for Novell data that has user permissions that I would want to maintain on the Netapp side ?

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Data Migration Question
by Collins, Jim 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

I am migrating directories & files from a Novell Server to a F740 box. I am currently using Backup Exec to transfer the data. This is fine for Shared information that everyone has full control on. Can anyone suggest what I might use for Novell data that has user permissions that I would want to maintain on the Netapp side ?

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29 Jan '01

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Virus scanning for NetCache?
by Witham, John 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

Looks like NetApp and Trend announced a beta version of iCAP enabled InterScan VirusWall today. Anyone got their hands on it yet? I'd love to drop it in for use with our piddly C-1100, but the software doesn't look to be cheap... $5750 for 250 users? Add in a $10K NT box, and if you want redundancy? Ugh. Money starts flying. <http://www.antivirus.com/corporate/media/2001/pr012501.htm> http://www.antivirus.com/corporate/media/2001/pr012501.htm -john

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FS: F760/NFS/CIFS/SnapRestore/14x36gb disks/GB Ethernet
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

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RE: Veritas 8.5 Backup Exec in NT environment
by Muhlestein, Mark 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

You need to enable "user shares" in the Tools->options->network tab. It's also often a good idea to create a special backup share on a snapshot. See section 5.1 of http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3052.html <http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3052.html> for more on this. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:PMAGLINGER@scvl.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:51 AM To: 'NetApps list server' Subject: Veritas 8.5 Backup Exec in NT environment We have a 740 filer running 5.3.7R2 in a Winnt environment. We are wanting to use Veritas 8.5 Backup Exec to backup our filer. From the Backup Exec console we can see the root volume as an administrative share (C$) and can click on the check box, but the other two volumes that we created are grayed out (D$ and E$). We are able to map to the C$, D$, and E$ from a NT Workstation. Volumes have been exported. Anyone have some experience to share? Have a prosperous and profitable day! _____ Paul Maglinger, A+, CA, CET, MCP PC Specialist Shoe Carnival Inc. (812)867-4674 pmaglinger(a)scvl.com <mailto:pmaglinger@scvl.com> _____

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RE: Backups of both NFS and CIFS Directories
by Benn, Paul 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Karl, Mark explained how this works better than I ever could. I'd just like to point out that the SecureShare tool allows you to view and change the underlying UNIX-style file permissions. It doesn't add any functionality to the filer. Dunno if you've had your hands on SecureShare but here's a what it looks like just in case: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/images/3014_8.gif Regards, Paul Benn Network Appliance > How can a CIFS-client (without SecureShare) see the UNIX-permissions > on files on a filer?

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RE: Backups of both NFS and CIFS Directories
by Muhlestein, Mark 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

The information is passed to the backup program using a technique involving OS/2-style extended attributes. When these are restored, the filer does the "right thing" to restore the correct permissions. This technique also correctly backs up and restores all UNIX filesystem objects, including block/char special device files, symbolic links, hard links, etc. This (patent-pending) feature has been available since ONTAP version 5.1. I'm not sure where, but this should be documented in the system guide somewhere. Mark Muhlestein -- mmm(a)netapp.com -- netapp engineering -----Original Message----- From: Karl Erik Øyøygard [mailto:karl@proact.no] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:46 PM To: 'Benn, Paul'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Backups of both NFS and CIFS Directories Paul, others, I still don't get it! How can a CIFS-client (without SecureShare) see the UNIX-permissions on files on a filer? And especially, how do files restored by a CIFS-client get UNIX-style permissions? I've tested it, and I can see that it actually works, but I'm not confident that I can recommend this to my customers... Is this dependent on the OS version on the filer or the client backing it up? Is there any technical doc on these 'magical' permissions that aren't seen by the client backing them up, but still restored correctly? Regards, Karl Erik > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: Benn, Paul [SMTP:paul.benn@netapp.com] > Sendt: 19. januar 2001 00:12 > Til: 'glennc(a)informix.com'; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Emne: RE: Backups of both NFS and CIFS Directories > > Glenn, > > To retain both permission styles you'll need to backup using the local > dump command, an NDMP enabled backup application or backup over CIFS. > Backing up over NFS will not retain NTFS file permissions or DOS > attributes. > > If you back up over CIFS, not only are the UNIX and NT file permissions > retained but we also backup the DOS file attributes and track an archive > bit for files with UNIX-style permissions. If backing up over CIFS is your > plan, have a look at our white paper on this subject: > > <http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3052.html> > > Regards, > > Paul Benn > Network Appliance >

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RE: Backups of both NFS and CIFS Directories
by Karl Erik Øyøygard 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

Paul, others, I still don't get it! How can a CIFS-client (without SecureShare) see the UNIX-permissions on files on a filer? And especially, how do files restored by a CIFS-client get UNIX-style permissions? I've tested it, and I can see that it actually works, but I'm not confident that I can recommend this to my customers... Is this dependent on the OS version on the filer or the client backing it up? Is there any technical doc on these 'magical' permissions that aren't seen by the client backing them up, but still restored correctly? Regards, Karl Erik > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: Benn, Paul [SMTP:paul.benn@netapp.com] > Sendt: 19. januar 2001 00:12 > Til: 'glennc(a)informix.com'; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Emne: RE: Backups of both NFS and CIFS Directories > > Glenn, > > To retain both permission styles you'll need to backup using the local > dump command, an NDMP enabled backup application or backup over CIFS. > Backing up over NFS will not retain NTFS file permissions or DOS > attributes. > > If you back up over CIFS, not only are the UNIX and NT file permissions > retained but we also backup the DOS file attributes and track an archive > bit for files with UNIX-style permissions. If backing up over CIFS is your > plan, have a look at our white paper on this subject: > > <http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3052.html> > > Regards, > > Paul Benn > Network Appliance >

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NetApps for Web-based File Storage Services
by randall don scott 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

We're currently looking at using our existing NetApp boxes for deploying web based storage services for the campus. One approach we've considered is developing our own software which would interface to the ONTAP cifs admin commands. The idea would be to develop something that lets user create their own shares and groups, with the ability to add/remove users. This could be possibly inflexible tho, and would probably lead to a proliferation of groups. Another approach could be to use NFS and export the storage to a web server, and put our home-grown software on the webserver. Has anyone done anything like this? Or does anyone know of a possible vendor solutions that could use our existing infrastructure?

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RMA follow-up
by Jim Harm 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

Does someone know how to get them to call off the dogs. I get strangers calling me asking me where the RMA return is, before it gets delivered to my office. It takes me about a week to schedule the downtime and another week to get the old part out of shipping. These people call me and threaten to charge me for a part after 10 days. I've got work to do that does not include finding out what number and shipper that department used to return the part and I am really getting bugged by the continuing and threatening calls from strangers. If they just wait, they will turn up on the loading dock at NetApp. I've called NetApp sales, RMA team at NetApp, NetApp support, and now I'll try you. Someone must know a secret word to tell them to LAYOFF! -- }}}===============>> LLNL James E. Harm (Jim); jharm(a)llnl.gov System Administrator Compaq Clusters (925) 422-4018 Page: 423-7705x57152

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RE: Veritas 8.5 Backup Exec in NT environment
by Benn, Paul 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

I ask because you didn't specifically mention that you checked..... did you check the permissions on the other volumes (share level and NTFS level)? -----Original Message----- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:PMAGLINGER@scvl.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 7:51 AM To: 'NetApps list server' Subject: Veritas 8.5 Backup Exec in NT environment We have a 740 filer running 5.3.7R2 in a Winnt environment. We are wanting to use Veritas 8.5 Backup Exec to backup our filer. From the Backup Exec console we can see the root volume as an administrative share (C$) and can click on the check box, but the other two volumes that we created are grayed out (D$ and E$). We are able to map to the C$, D$, and E$ from a NT Workstation. Volumes have been exported. Anyone have some experience to share? Have a prosperous and profitable day! _____ Paul Maglinger, A+, CA, CET, MCP PC Specialist Shoe Carnival Inc. (812)867-4674 pmaglinger(a)scvl.com <mailto:pmaglinger@scvl.com> _____

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Veritas 8.5 Backup Exec in NT environment
by Maglinger, Paul 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

We have a 740 filer running 5.3.7R2 in a Winnt environment. We are wanting to use Veritas 8.5 Backup Exec to backup our filer. From the Backup Exec console we can see the root volume as an administrative share (C$) and can click on the check box, but the other two volumes that we created are grayed out (D$ and E$). We are able to map to the C$, D$, and E$ from a NT Workstation. Volumes have been exported. Anyone have some experience to share? Have a prosperous and profitable day! _____ Paul Maglinger, A+, CA, CET, MCP PC Specialist Shoe Carnival Inc. (812)867-4674 pmaglinger(a)scvl.com <mailto:pmaglinger@scvl.com> _____

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Automount fails on first attempt on Solaris
by benny.wistrom＠cn.saab.se 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

Hi! I have a problem with automount on Solaris. The problem appears on both Solaris 2.6 and Solaris 8. On the first attempt to access any directory located on the filer the automount request times out but on the second attempt it mounts the directory. It takes 15 seconds to mount the directory. All other mounts after the first one has been mounted works fine. This behaviour appears everytime I try to access a directory after the automounter has released all mounts. Automount works just fine on AIX, HP-UX, Linux when accessing the same directories. We use NFS version 3 and NFS over TCP is enabled on the filer. We have OnTap 5.3.6R2 installed on the filer. Any suggestions? -- Regards: Benny Wiström CSC Phone: +46 13 4653647 Systemadministrator 581 88 Linköping Fax: +46 13 185771 Benny.Wistrom(a)cn.saab.se Sweden Mobile: +46 13 4653647

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RE: Automount fails on first attempt on Solaris
by Traitel, Eyal 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

I would look then on if you are running latest patches from Sun... Eyal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer CNA, MCSE, CSA, NACA Network Appliance BV Holland Office Center Kruisweg 799b 2132 NG, Hoofddorp The Netherlands Office: +31 23 567 9685 Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 Email: eyal(a)netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: benny.wistrom(a)cn.saab.se [mailto:benny.wistrom@cn.saab.se] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:57 PM To: Traitel Eyal Cc: NetApp Maillista Subject: Re: Automount fails on first attempt on Solaris The reason I have enabled NFS over TCP is that Solaris first tries this protocol. I have the same problem when using NFS over UDP. /Benny > "Traitel, Eyal" wrote: > > Is the mounts on the AIX, HP-UX and Linux done also via TCP ? > It might lead you to the fact that the mount over TCP just takes some > more time to finish. > > Just a suggestion, > Eyal. > > Why TCP by the way ? Did you check UDP ? > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer > CNA, MCSE, CSA, NACA > > Network Appliance BV > Holland Office Center > Kruisweg 799b > 2132 NG, Hoofddorp > The Netherlands > Office: +31 23 567 9685 > Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 > Email: eyal(a)netapp.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > -----Original Message----- > From: benny.wistrom(a)cn.saab.se [mailto:benny.wistrom@cn.saab.se] > Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:31 PM > To: NetApp Maillista > Subject: Automount fails on first attempt on Solaris > > Hi! > > I have a problem with automount on Solaris. The problem appears on > both > Solaris 2.6 and Solaris 8. > On the first attempt to access any directory located on the filer the > automount request times out but on the second attempt it mounts the > directory. It takes 15 seconds to mount the directory. All other > mounts > after the first one has been mounted works fine. > This behaviour appears everytime I try to access a directory after the > > automounter has released all mounts. > Automount works just fine on AIX, HP-UX, Linux when accessing the same > > directories. > > We use NFS version 3 and NFS over TCP is enabled on the filer. > We have OnTap 5.3.6R2 installed on the filer. > > Any suggestions? > > -- > Regards: > > Benny Wiström CSC Phone: +46 13 > 4653647 > Systemadministrator 581 88 Linköping Fax: +46 13 > 185771 > Benny.Wistrom(a)cn.saab.se Sweden Mobile: +46 13 > 4653647 -- Regards: Benny Wiström CSC Phone: +46 13 4653647 Systemadministrator 581 88 Linköping Fax: +46 13 185771 Benny.Wistrom(a)cn.saab.se Sweden Mobile: +46 13 4653647 Sometimes I think the surest sign that intelligent life exists elsewhere in the universe is that none of it has tried to contact us. -Calvin & Hobbes (Bill Watterson) Ask your boss to reconsider -- it's so difficult to take "Go to hell" for an answer.

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RE: Automount fails on first attempt on Solaris
by Traitel, Eyal 23 Jan '01

23 Jan '01

Is the mounts on the AIX, HP-UX and Linux done also via TCP ? It might lead you to the fact that the mount over TCP just takes some more time to finish. Just a suggestion, Eyal. Why TCP by the way ? Did you check UDP ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer CNA, MCSE, CSA, NACA Network Appliance BV Holland Office Center Kruisweg 799b 2132 NG, Hoofddorp The Netherlands Office: +31 23 567 9685 Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 Email: eyal(a)netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: benny.wistrom(a)cn.saab.se [mailto:benny.wistrom@cn.saab.se] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 1:31 PM To: NetApp Maillista Subject: Automount fails on first attempt on Solaris Hi! I have a problem with automount on Solaris. The problem appears on both Solaris 2.6 and Solaris 8. On the first attempt to access any directory located on the filer the automount request times out but on the second attempt it mounts the directory. It takes 15 seconds to mount the directory. All other mounts after the first one has been mounted works fine. This behaviour appears everytime I try to access a directory after the automounter has released all mounts. Automount works just fine on AIX, HP-UX, Linux when accessing the same directories. We use NFS version 3 and NFS over TCP is enabled on the filer. We have OnTap 5.3.6R2 installed on the filer. Any suggestions? -- Regards: Benny Wiström CSC Phone: +46 13 4653647 Systemadministrator 581 88 Linköping Fax: +46 13 185771 Benny.Wistrom(a)cn.saab.se Sweden Mobile: +46 13 4653647

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Lotus Notes and Filers
by lallin＠millermartin.com 22 Jan '01

22 Jan '01

We have an NT network that serves about 350 users. We recently purchased an F720 to place our data on. We have successfully migrated our user homes, some SQL databases, and some misc other stuff, but we are having serious problems getting the Filer and Lotus Notes to work together. I have followed the Netapp whitepaper on migrating Lotus Notes databases to the filer utilizing option 1 (binaries and id's on the server, data on the filer). Ever since we have migrated our data to the filer, we have consistent database corruptions on both our e-mail server and our application server (both running Notes 4.6.5a). On our e-mail server, user mailboxes will get corrupted sometimes and the "mail.box" will get corrupted other times. On our application server, we have one database in particular that seems to be the main culprit of corruptions and it is a 2.5 Gb mail-in database that we use for contact management. About the only thing that Netapp support has been able to tell us so far is to disable oplocks. I have tried this at both the share level and at the filer level, neither of which helped. Currently we have re-enabled it filer wide and disabled it only at the share points where the Notes servers access the filer. Our filer is running 5.3.7 R2. Our notes servers are accessing the filer through a mapped drive connected to the '\\ipaddress\share$' on the filer (yes I did use a hidden share here), and Notes is not running as a service. We had to put a stop to this because the service would not run interactively with the console and we could not connect to it using the remote administrator. I'm sure I have missed some details that I would be more than happy to fill in if it would help. Needless to say, we are not very happy with our Notes/Filer integration. If anyone has ANY suggestion on how to stop the corruptions, make Notes run as a service (interactively), or just plain make it work, your input would be greatly appreciated. *************************** CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE *************************** The information contained in this e-mail message is legally privileged and confidential, and is intended only for the use of the addressee. Any dissemination, distribution, or copying of this e-mail by an unauthorized recipient is prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please immediately notify us by reply e-mail and delete this message and any attachments. Please also advise us immediately if you or your employer does not consent to receipt of Internet e-mail for confidential messages of this kind. *******************************************************************************

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RE: Oracle and Netapp
by BrianH＠dice.com 20 Jan '01

20 Jan '01

As long as your NFS lock manager is running on the database server, you will have no problems at all. The only thing I suggest is order 2 more local disks to keep your redo logs on. Other than that, if I have to run Oracle, I run it on a filer. --Brian -----Original Message----- From: Greg Kitch [mailto:kitch@seas.ucla.edu] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 2:30 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Oracle and Netapp We are considering licensing Oracle8ise (the standard edition, not Oracle8iee) for a limited database application. We are not familiar with running a database manager while maintaining the database on an NFS server, but gather that quite a number of people that subscribe to toasters are using Oracle with NetApp servers. Should we anticipate any problems with this edition of Oracle running on a Sun Solaris system while the data is stored on an F740 running 5.3.4R2? Thanks. Greg Kitch UCLA SEASnet Computing Facility 2567 Boelter Hall Los Angeles, CA 90095

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RE: Oracle and Netapp
by White, Lance 20 Jan '01

20 Jan '01

Issues are similiar with ee versus standard...get the white paper at http://www.netapp.com/tech_library which gives details for setting this up. Very important, use Gigabit when connecting between the Filer and server (either crossover or switched if multiple connections). -----Original Message----- From: Greg Kitch [mailto:kitch@seas.ucla.edu] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:30 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Oracle and Netapp We are considering licensing Oracle8ise (the standard edition, not Oracle8iee) for a limited database application. We are not familiar with running a database manager while maintaining the database on an NFS server, but gather that quite a number of people that subscribe to toasters are using Oracle with NetApp servers. Should we anticipate any problems with this edition of Oracle running on a Sun Solaris system while the data is stored on an F740 running 5.3.4R2? Thanks. Greg Kitch UCLA SEASnet Computing Facility 2567 Boelter Hall Los Angeles, CA 90095

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RE: Oracle and Netapp
by Lenzer, Mike 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

FYI, Here is a matrix of support Oracle platforms with filers. http://www.netapp.com/partners/oracle/oscp.html The link via Oracle is: http://www.oracle.com/ip/deploy/database/storage/index.html?vendors.html A number of white papers for Oracle/Filer Integration can be found at: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/index_db.html#toc regards Michael Lenzer Oracle TME Network Appliance Inc. 495 East Java Dr Sunnyvale, CA 94089 -----Original Message----- From: Greg Kitch [mailto:kitch@seas.ucla.edu] Sent: Friday, January 19, 2001 12:30 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Oracle and Netapp We are considering licensing Oracle8ise (the standard edition, not Oracle8iee) for a limited database application. We are not familiar with running a database manager while maintaining the database on an NFS server, but gather that quite a number of people that subscribe to toasters are using Oracle with NetApp servers. Should we anticipate any problems with this edition of Oracle running on a Sun Solaris system while the data is stored on an F740 running 5.3.4R2? Thanks. Greg Kitch UCLA SEASnet Computing Facility 2567 Boelter Hall Los Angeles, CA 90095

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Oracle and Netapp
by Greg Kitch 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

We are considering licensing Oracle8ise (the standard edition, not Oracle8iee) for a limited database application. We are not familiar with running a database manager while maintaining the database on an NFS server, but gather that quite a number of people that subscribe to toasters are using Oracle with NetApp servers. Should we anticipate any problems with this edition of Oracle running on a Sun Solaris system while the data is stored on an F740 running 5.3.4R2? Thanks. Greg Kitch UCLA SEASnet Computing Facility 2567 Boelter Hall Los Angeles, CA 90095

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RE: Mark Conley's comments on used NetApp systems
by Clawson, Simon 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

While looking at the purchase of a new system last year, I asked about trade-ins on old equipment. NetApps can do this it seems. My question would be - "What happens to all that old hardware?" Judging by the trade in values I would rather follow this course of action then sell it on privatley. On the point of selling on hardware such as disks, surely you are getting into a legal minefield here Scott. What happens to equipment used to store data suject to non-disclosure agreements? How do you guarentee complete data scrubbing? I think I would feel a little uncomfotable with my system (a development machine) finding its way out onto the open market. Likewise I would be a bit cautious about purchasing equipment that may have been used in a similar role.. Simon -----Original Message----- From: Pete Ehlke [mailto:pde@ehlke.net] Sent: 18 January 2001 17:21 To: ScottUCE(a)aol.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Mark Conley's comments on used NetApp systems ScottUCE(a)aol.com (ScottUCE(a)aol.com) said, on [010118 09:11]: > downturns, forcing them to put their systems on the market. If Network > Appliance were to interfere with the transfer of their systems' NFS and CIFS > licenses, the value of their F760 heads would be reduced to that of spare > parts kits. > And your profits would be affected in like measure. > Unless and until Network Appliance clarifies its policy on the re-sale of its > systems, NetApp's end-user and/or leasing company customers -- before they > buy their next box -- should request a modification of their software license > agreements so as to limit Network Appliance's discretion to forbid software > license transfer, thus helping to safeguard the value of their investments in > their NetApp systems. > Have a little honesty, here, Scott. This isn't about the value of my investment in my filers, it's about your ability to profit as a broker of used equipment. You're asking us, the netapp user community, to pressure netapp to guarantee your business model. That's not my job, man. And anyone- *anyone*- who spends the kind of mone one spends to get a filer without having vetted the sales & licence agreements has fools for both lawyers and purchasing managers. -Pete

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RE: solaris 2.6 nfs client tuning?
by Venier, Federico 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

See Sun's bug id 4114271,4267423, and 4271267 (not sure!) =============================================================== Federico VENIER System Engineer Phone : +39 039 6858483 Network Appliance Srl Fax : +39 039 6858485 Centro Direzionale Torri Bianche Mob. : +39 0348 4719025 Palazzo Larice mail : fvenier(a)netapp.com 20059 Vimercate (MI) - Italy http://www.netapp.com =============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Venier, Federico Sent: venerdì 19 gennaio 2001 16:53 To: Toal, Dave; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: solaris 2.6 nfs client tuning? I have seen this before. It has something to do with the mmap routine called by the cp program in Solaris 2.6. I believe that it is fixed in Solaris 2.8 build 33. Using a dd everyting goes OK. Maybe it is also possible to "tar" the directory. CIAO =============================================================== Federico VENIER System Engineer Phone : +39 039 6858483 Network Appliance Srl Fax : +39 039 6858485 Centro Direzionale Torri Bianche Mob. : +39 0348 4719025 Palazzo Larice mail : fvenier(a)netapp.com 20059 Vimercate (MI) - Italy http://www.netapp.com =============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Toal, Dave [mailto:dave.toal@t-t.com] Sent: lunedì 15 gennaio 2001 21:00 To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Cc: Toal, Dave Subject: solaris 2.6 nfs client tuning? Hey, all. This lots-of-nfs-mounts topic inspires me to ask yet another sanity-check question: Currently I'm fixing a process which moves lots of data from one vol to another. Can't simply vol copy because there are things I can't over-write on the destination. This data is in about 40 directories, with maybe 2G in each. The method I'm using is to set up many pairs of mounts, one for each directory, all from the same two vols. This is because the nfs client, a sun 450 running solaris 2.6, shows huge lag for ls, cp, whatever, in a mounted directory where a cp is already running. iostat shows the nfsd devices at 100% busy -- for destination and source -- when a cp runs between a mount-point pair. So: filer1:/vol/A/d1 /mnt/A_01 filer2:/vol/B/d1 /mnt/B_01 filer1:/vol/A/d2 /mnt/A_02 filer2:/vol/B/d2 /mnt/B_02 filer1:/vol/A/d3 /mnt/A_03 filer2:/vol/B/d3 /mnt/B_03 ad nauseum... and if I cp /mnt/A_01/fatfile to /mnt/B_01 then there's no i/o lag whatsoever in /mnt/A_02. These filers are 760's, by the way. Then I discovered a serious "sweet spot" at a very low number. "max" is the number of simultaneous copies between mount point pairs. "k/sec" are my visual estimates of _each_ cp rate, from watching iostat for about a minute; rates jump around by +- 100 k/sec. Column on the right is total throughput for all cp. max=3 ~ 2300 k/sec |= 6900 max=4 ~ 1800 k/sec |= 7200 max=5 ~ 1500 k/sec |= 7500 max=6 ~ 1200 k/sec |= 7200 max=8 ~ 800 k/sec |= 6400 max=9 ~ 800 k/sec |= 7200 max=10 ~ 600 k/sec |= 6000 I've seen much higher data rates from the 760's. So I'm thinking this means I need to learn nfs client tuning for solaris. Yes? Dave -- dave toal systems optimist Thomson & Thomson N. Quincy, MA -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Krueger To: Rainchik, Aleksandr (MED, Non GE) Cc: 'Jeffrey Krueger '; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com ' Sent: 1/15/01 1:37 PM Subject: Re: /home layout with many filers and NIS automount On Sat, Jan 13, 2001 at 03:16:20PM -0600, Rainchik, Aleksandr (MED, Non GE) wrote: > > There is another thing against > > #auto_home NIS map > > user1 filer2:/vol/vol1/& > design. We have a lot of development servers. So any time you > add/delete/modify a single user you should go trough _all_ the > NIS/automount clients and run "automount" to let automountd know > that passwd map has been just updated. Am I wrong again? This is correct, but I simple cron job which runs periodically on all NIS clients should make short work of this task. =) -- Jeff

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Problem reading files from Solaris 8
by Rune Bakken 19 Jan '01

19 Jan '01

After resofting one of my Solaris boxen to Solaris 8, I am unable to read some of the files in volumes mounted from a F720 running 5.3.6R2 I get error messages like this doing an ls. # ls ls: c5200-is-l.120-8.0.2.T: Value too large for defined data type ls: c7200-is-mz.121-4.bin: Value too large for defined data type ls: c7200-p-mz.121-4.bin: Value too large for defined data type The files are not really large, somewhere in the 8-10MByte range and is easily accessed from Solaris 2.6, just not from Solaris 8 systems. The systems in question is using the following Solaris version: # uname -a SunOS lft.online.no 5.8 Generic_108528-04 sun4u sparc #mount /local/net on nfs1-net.oke.nextra.no:/vol/vol0/net remote/read/write/setuid/proto=udp/vers=3/bg/intr/dev=3980003 on Thu Jan 18 12:23:42 2001 nfs1> version NetApp Release 5.3.6R2: Sat Aug 5 09:40:44 PDT 2000 I have searched the archives for this list, as well as now.netapp.com,sunsolve.sun.com and docs.sun.com as I suspect this to be more of a Sun Solaris problem than a NetApp Does someone have a solution/workaround for this problem? >>>>>>>>.rune -- Rune Bakken "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. System Administrator When they wake up in the morning, that's as Nextra, good as they're going to feel all day." - Telenor Company - Frank Sinatra

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