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Backup Solution
by Mike Horn 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

I have a f740 filer currently being backed up with one DLT7000 tape drive. I'm tired of switching tapes. Does anyone have any experience with either "Sync Sort or Workstation Solutions" as the software to backup a filer? I am looking to use Spectra Logic products on the hardware side. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Michael A. Horn Associate Geophysicist Chesapeake Energy Corporation 6106 N. Western Avenue P.O. Box 18496 Oklahoma City, OK 73154-0496 405/879-9282 (office) 405/879-9577 (fax) mhorn(a)chkenergy.com

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RE: Virus scans on NetApps and backups
by Coder, James (STP) 31 Jan '01

31 Jan '01

We had this problem until recently - NetApp was helpful in supplying a solution. The virus software we use cased the ctime to be changed and when using NDMP the it took it as a changed file. Run the following command on your filer and see if this helps. It did us. ndmpd ignore_ctime This was for our 760 NT filer with the NetBackup backup app. Prior to this, we were backing up every file the scan touched at night (about 20% of 1.2 TB). The only place we could find a reference to the command was in a white paper. James C. Coder UNIX Administrator Guidant Corporation Email: james.coder(a)guidant.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Steve Losen [SMTP:scl@sasha.acc.virginia.edu] > Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:51 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Virus scans on NetApps and backups > > > > We are using Norton AV Enterprise 7.01 to scan our filer via CIFS. We > > have found that as Norton scans each file, the inode change time (i.e. > > ls -lc) gets set to the current time. I think it is due to Norton > > messing with the DOS archive bit, but I am not sure. > > > > The problem is that this turns our level 1 ndmp dumps into virtual level > > 0 dumps. It seems that ndmp uses the inode change time, not the file > > modification time, as a basis for picking which files to dump during > > level 1's. > > > > Any suggestions ? > > Dump looks at both the mtime and the ctime when deciding to > copy a file during an incremental dump. If either have changed > then the file needs to be dumped. > > The following change the ctime, but do not change any file data, > and hence do not change the mtime: > > rename file > change owner/group of file > change permissions of file > > > Some folks are unhappy when a virus scanner trips all the atimes > (last read access) on all files. You lose valuable info about > which files have not been read in a long time, because the scanner > reads them often. So some virus scanners save the atime and > put it back. But this trips the ctime, which causes all files > to be copied by an incremental dump. > > If you can configure your scanner to not preserve the atime, that would > will fix it, but all your atimes will be tripped by the scanner. > > I belive that netapp's NDMP dump has a flag or option where you can tell > it to ignore ctime and only use mtime when doing an incremental dump. The > downside is that an incremental dump will skip files that you probably > want dumped. In addition to the cases listed above, if you un-tar or > unzip an archive, the resulting files will have their old mtimes > preserved, which may cause an incremental dump to skip them. This is not > a problem when dump uses mtime and ctime, because the ctime is tripped > when tar or unzip restores a file. > > > Steve Losen scl(a)virginia.edu phone: 804-924-0640 > > University of Virginia ITC Unix Support

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Strange behavior between f630 ontap5.3.6 & Solaris 7
by svawter＠c-cube.com 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

I must be missing something but let me bounce this off the croud... I have an f630 with ontap5.3.6 sharing out NFS data to a Solaris 7 box and in certain directories I get this error: /bin/ls -F (or -l also causes this) ls: "suid_mounts_allowed.dat": Value too large for defined data type A truss showed this: lstat64("suid_mounts_allowed.dat", 0xFFBEF958) = 0 acl("suid_mounts_allowed.dat", GETACLCNT, 0, 0x00000000) = 4 brk(0x00025E58) = 0 brk(0x00027E58) = 0 lstat64("suid_mounts_allowed.dat.old", 0xFFBEF958) Err#79 EOVERFLOW getfacl suid_mounts_allowed.dat.old doesn't show anything different than any other file in the directory... These errors don't show up on Solaris 5.5.1 or Solaris 5.6, but is consistant on different Sol7 systems. My other thought was inodes, but there are files that don't get an error with higher inodes. Anybody have an idea? Steve Vawter voice: 408-490-5310 fax: 408-490-8615 Staff UNIX Systems Administrator Steve.Vawter(a)C-Cube.COM

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2 q's - quotas and tape drives
by neil lehrer 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

hi, q1. how much of a performance hit does keeping quotas have? i'm thinking of hard quotas for users on their home dir thru home qtree, and, quotas for groups on the shared qtree. any other issues on quotas? our groups and users are kept in NIS. q2. i am considering using a spectralogic treefrog tape unit for local ndmp backup. 2 ait2 drives, 30 slot library. any comments on the treefrog or spectralogic?? -- thanks

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RE: 2 q's - quotas and tape drives
by Maglinger, Paul 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Along the same lines, we're working on creating home directories for users here at the corporate office. We're wanting to limit the amount of storage per user, but from what I've read there is a limitation of 254 qtrees per volume. We're running NT, so therefore using CIFS, and using Ontap 5.3.7R2. We are also running NetIQ, but can't install the agent on the filer. We could limit the disks per volume, but smaller volumes waste more disk space. To give you an idea, we're considering limits of either 250 or 500MB per user. -----Original Message----- From: neil lehrer [mailto:nlehrer@ibb.gov] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 12:48 To: toasters Subject: 2 q's - quotas and tape drives hi, q1. how much of a performance hit does keeping quotas have? i'm thinking of hard quotas for users on their home dir thru home qtree, and, quotas for groups on the shared qtree. any other issues on quotas? our groups and users are kept in NIS. q2. i am considering using a spectralogic treefrog tape unit for local ndmp backup. 2 ait2 drives, 30 slot library. any comments on the treefrog or spectralogic?? -- thanks

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RE: Backup Solution
by Loux, Linda 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

I have been using SpectraLogic 10000 (Bullfrog) with Veritas NetBackup for backups for several months. I've had very little problems with them. Configuring the Media servers and filers take a bit of time, but once that is established, there have been few problems. Occasionally I have had to reboot the filer and associated SpectraLogic, but have not been able to nail the problem down to which one is causing the problem. Linda Loux Systems Administrator Rosetta Inpharmatics -----Original Message----- From: Mike Horn [mailto:mhorn@chkenergy.com] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 2:01 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.org' Subject: Backup Solution I have a f740 filer currently being backed up with one DLT7000 tape drive. I'm tired of switching tapes. Does anyone have any experience with either "Sync Sort or Workstation Solutions" as the software to backup a filer? I am looking to use Spectra Logic products on the hardware side. Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Michael A. Horn Associate Geophysicist Chesapeake Energy Corporation 6106 N. Western Avenue P.O. Box 18496 Oklahoma City, OK 73154-0496 405/879-9282 (office) 405/879-9577 (fax) mhorn(a)chkenergy.com ********************************************************************** This e-mail message is the property of Rosetta Inpharmatics and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying, or communication of the contents of this message is prohibited. If this message was received in error, please forward a copy to mail_admin(a)rii.com and delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Thank you. **********************************************************************

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RE: Anitvirus on netapp
by Maglinger, Paul 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

We're using our filer for data storage, so anything that goes on it has to come from workstation or server. We use Network Appliance, kinda taking a "perimeter" approach to the subject. Anything that goes on or comes off the filer has to go through a workstation or server. -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Lindberg [mailto:Marianne.Lindberg@nsc.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 09:28 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Anitvirus on netapp I'd be curious about what everyone (who has CIFS data on their Filers) is using as well. We're using Network Associates' (nee McAfee) Netshield from an NT Server. The Server version does allow you to scan network drives. You might find that a different version of Norton would do the same. What about everyone else? Regards, Marianne uwe_goebel(a)mentorg.com 01/30/01 03:09 AM To: toasters@mathworks.com@Internet cc: (bcc: Marianne Lindberg/Americas/NSC) Subject: Anitvirus on netapp Hi there, I'm curious how everybody is checking against viruses at the filers. We tried to use a PC were NAV is installed and configured NAV to check network drives, but unfortunatly it doesn't check the network drives. Any ideas or suggestions? Thanx --- Uwe GOEBEL System & Network Administrator Information Technology Mentor Graphics Deutschland GmbH <mailto:uwe_goebel@mentor.com> uwe_goebel(a)mentor.com

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RE: Virus scans on NetApps and backups
by Kalicak, John 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

You could set Norton to scan only on file access, thus minimizing your changes. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Letta [mailto:letta@jlab.org] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 2:59 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Virus scans on NetApps and backups We are using Norton AV Enterprise 7.01 to scan our filer via CIFS. We have found that as Norton scans each file, the inode change time (i.e. ls -lc) gets set to the current time. I think it is due to Norton messing with the DOS archive bit, but I am not sure. The problem is that this turns our level 1 ndmp dumps into virtual level 0 dumps. It seems that ndmp uses the inode change time, not the file modification time, as a basis for picking which files to dump during level 1's. Any suggestions ? -- Paul Letta Thomas Jefferson National Accelerator Facility Computer Center Unix System Administrator EMail: letta(a)jlab.org Phone: (757)269-5106

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RE: Anitvirus on netapp
by Nail, Larry 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

FYI... the article you sent was for the Caching solution... try http://www.netapp.com/news/press/news_rel_20001129d.html for filers. -----Original Message----- From: Palmer, Jason (London) [mailto:jason.palmer@wcom.co.uk] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 1:52 PM To: 'Marianne Lindberg'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Anitvirus on netapp Marianne, We currently use schedules sweeps of the data areas using Trend AV with a drive mapping for the software to use from an NT server. These are the vendors that are mentioned in the integrated solution with NetApps in the press release on the following link... http://www.netapp.com/news/press/2001/news_rel_20010125.html Until then, I guess it is down to drive mappings and configuring clients to scan files on read. Regards, Jason -------------------------------------------------- Jason E Palmer WorldCom International Server Engineering Group Wing A 1st Floor, WorldCom Park, Reading Mail - jason.palmer(a)wcom.co.uk Tel - +44 (0)118 9058176 Mobile - 07074 868690 -------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Lindberg [mailto:Marianne.Lindberg@nsc.com] Sent: 30 January 2001 15:28 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Anitvirus on netapp I'd be curious about what everyone (who has CIFS data on their Filers) is using as well. We're using Network Associates' (nee McAfee) Netshield from an NT Server. The Server version does allow you to scan network drives. You might find that a different version of Norton would do the same. What about everyone else? Regards, Marianne uwe_goebel(a)mentorg.com 01/30/01 03:09 AM To: toasters@mathworks.com@Internet cc: (bcc: Marianne Lindberg/Americas/NSC) Subject: Anitvirus on netapp Hi there, I'm curious how everybody is checking against viruses at the filers. We tried to use a PC were NAV is installed and configured NAV to check network drives, but unfortunatly it doesn't check the network drives. Any ideas or suggestions? Thanx --- Uwe GOEBEL System & Network Administrator Information Technology Mentor Graphics Deutschland GmbH <mailto:uwe_goebel@mentor.com> uwe_goebel(a)mentor.com -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and then destroy any copies of it.

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RE: Anitvirus on netapp
by Palmer, Jason (London) 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Marianne, We currently use schedules sweeps of the data areas using Trend AV with a drive mapping for the software to use from an NT server. These are the vendors that are mentioned in the integrated solution with NetApps in the press release on the following link... http://www.netapp.com/news/press/2001/news_rel_20010125.html Until then, I guess it is down to drive mappings and configuring clients to scan files on read. Regards, Jason -------------------------------------------------- Jason E Palmer WorldCom International Server Engineering Group Wing A 1st Floor, WorldCom Park, Reading Mail - jason.palmer(a)wcom.co.uk Tel - +44 (0)118 9058176 Mobile - 07074 868690 -------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Lindberg [mailto:Marianne.Lindberg@nsc.com] Sent: 30 January 2001 15:28 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Anitvirus on netapp I'd be curious about what everyone (who has CIFS data on their Filers) is using as well. We're using Network Associates' (nee McAfee) Netshield from an NT Server. The Server version does allow you to scan network drives. You might find that a different version of Norton would do the same. What about everyone else? Regards, Marianne uwe_goebel(a)mentorg.com 01/30/01 03:09 AM To: toasters@mathworks.com@Internet cc: (bcc: Marianne Lindberg/Americas/NSC) Subject: Anitvirus on netapp Hi there, I'm curious how everybody is checking against viruses at the filers. We tried to use a PC were NAV is installed and configured NAV to check network drives, but unfortunatly it doesn't check the network drives. Any ideas or suggestions? Thanx --- Uwe GOEBEL System & Network Administrator Information Technology Mentor Graphics Deutschland GmbH <mailto:uwe_goebel@mentor.com> uwe_goebel(a)mentor.com -- This communication contains information which is confidential and may also be privileged. It is for the exclusive use of the intended recipient(s). If you are not the intended recipient(s), please note that any distribution, copying or use of this communication or the information in it is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and then destroy any copies of it.

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RE: Backup Solution
by Premanshu Jain 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

I have always been using NDMp to backup a filer. Now deployed a P3000 ATL tape library, which backs up all filers using NDMP over the network. Its giving excellant results. We use Veritas Netbackup as the management s/w. prem Premanshu Jain Nortel Networks, Content Networks(Shasta) 2305, Mission College Blvd, Santa Clara, CA 95054 Direct: (408) 565-3573 ESN: 655-3573 eMail: prjain(a)shastanets.com Web: http://www.nortelnetworks.com/ipservices -----Original Message----- From: Dianna Mullet [mailto:drmullet@link.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 7:55 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.org' Subject: RE: Backup Solution Speaking of backup solutions, is anyone out there using NDMP to back up a filer? Dianna Mullet - Systems Architect Information Technology L-3 Communications Link Simulation & Training 817.619.3786 --On Monday, January 29, 2001 3:26 PM -0800 "Loux, Linda" <LLoux(a)rii.com> wrote: > > I have been using SpectraLogic 10000 (Bullfrog) with Veritas NetBackup > for backups for several months. I've had very little problems with them. > Configuring the Media servers and filers take a bit of time, but once > that is established, there have been few problems. Occasionally I have > had to reboot the filer and associated SpectraLogic, but have not been > able to nail the problem down to which one is causing the problem. Linda > Loux > Systems Administrator > Rosetta Inpharmatics > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Horn [mailto:mhorn@chkenergy.com] > Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 2:01 PM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.org' > Subject: Backup Solution > > > > I have a f740 filer currently being backed up with one DLT7000 tape > drive. I'm tired of switching tapes. Does anyone have any experience > with either "Sync Sort or Workstation Solutions" as the software to > backup a filer? I am looking to use Spectra Logic products on the > hardware side. Any input would be greatly appreciated. > > Thanks > > Michael A. Horn > Associate Geophysicist > > Chesapeake Energy Corporation > 6106 N. Western Avenue > P.O. Box 18496 > Oklahoma City, OK 73154-0496 > 405/879-9282 (office) > 405/879-9577 (fax) > mhorn(a)chkenergy.com > > > > > ********************************************************************** > > This e-mail message is the property of Rosetta Inpharmatics > > and may contain information that is confidential and/or > > privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, > > disclosure, copying, or communication of the contents of this > > message is prohibited. If this message was received in error, > > please forward a copy to mail_admin(a)rii.com and delete the > > message and any attachments from your computer. Thank you. > > **********************************************************************

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RE: Anitvirus on netapp
by Nail, Larry 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Running Norton AV 5.0 to run nightly scans... works fairly well, but I could live without having to maintain seperate systems to do this. -----Original Message----- From: Marianne Lindberg [mailto:Marianne.Lindberg@nsc.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 30, 2001 9:28 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Anitvirus on netapp I'd be curious about what everyone (who has CIFS data on their Filers) is using as well. We're using Network Associates' (nee McAfee) Netshield from an NT Server. The Server version does allow you to scan network drives. You might find that a different version of Norton would do the same. What about everyone else? Regards, Marianne uwe_goebel(a)mentorg.com 01/30/01 03:09 AM To: toasters@mathworks.com@Internet cc: (bcc: Marianne Lindberg/Americas/NSC) Subject: Anitvirus on netapp Hi there, I'm curious how everybody is checking against viruses at the filers. We tried to use a PC were NAV is installed and configured NAV to check network drives, but unfortunatly it doesn't check the network drives. Any ideas or suggestions? Thanx --- Uwe GOEBEL System & Network Administrator Information Technology Mentor Graphics Deutschland GmbH <mailto:uwe_goebel@mentor.com> uwe_goebel(a)mentor.com

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Re: Anitvirus on netapp
by Marianne Lindberg 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

I'd be curious about what everyone (who has CIFS data on their Filers) is using as well. We're using Network Associates' (nee McAfee) Netshield from an NT Server. The Server version does allow you to scan network drives. You might find that a different version of Norton would do the same. What about everyone else? Regards, Marianne uwe_goebel(a)mentorg.com 01/30/01 03:09 AM To: toasters@mathworks.com@Internet cc: (bcc: Marianne Lindberg/Americas/NSC) Subject: Anitvirus on netapp Hi there, I'm curious how everybody is checking against viruses at the filers. We tried to use a PC were NAV is installed and configured NAV to check network drives, but unfortunatly it doesn't check the network drives. Any ideas or suggestions? Thanx --- Uwe GOEBEL System & Network Administrator Information Technology Mentor Graphics Deutschland GmbH <mailto:uwe_goebel@mentor.com> uwe_goebel(a)mentor.com

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Anitvirus on netapp
by Goebel, Uwe 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Hi there, I'm curious how everybody is checking against viruses at the filers. We tried to use a PC were NAV is installed and configured NAV to check network drives, but unfortunatly it doesn't check the network drives. Any ideas or suggestions? Thanx --- Uwe GOEBEL System & Network Administrator Information Technology Mentor Graphics Deutschland GmbH <mailto:uwe_goebel@mentor.com> uwe_goebel(a)mentor.com

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NDMP backup usind jumbo frames
by Thaller Horst (MDCA Villach) 30 Jan '01

30 Jan '01

Who has experiences with NDMP-Backups in a private network using jumbo frames (Gigabit Ethernet Controller II)? Who knows the optimal MTU size for a filer-filer-communication (ndmp between f840c and f740c)? Does the ndmp-client use jumbo frames? I have heard, that jumbo frames reduces the CPU overhead. What are the impacts, e.g. for the backup speed? Thanks, Horst Thaller Infineon Technologies Microelectronic Design Centers Austria GmbH Design Center Villach Siemensstrasse 2, A-9500 Villach Tel. ++43 4242 305-6212 Fax ++43 4242 305-6389 email: Horst.Thaller(a)infineon.com internet: www.infineon.com/ezmvi

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WTB - Used NetApp
by grey jolly 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

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Migration Strategies, what are you doing?
by John Stoffel 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Hi guys, I've been mulling over migration strategies, and babysitting a migration from a F520 with four shelves of 9gb disks to an F740 with three shelves of 36Gb disks. It's a pain. ndmpcopy works great for level 0, but has had problems with level 1 copies in my experience. So I'm using rsync 2.4.6 to do the level 1 copies of data to keep things upto date. But it tends to hang, so I have to babysit it all the time. Not good. Now I know I could use snapmirror to make this migration painless, but that would mean that I'd have to dedicate two 36gb disks on my F740 to the root volume, and then make a second volume with the remaining disks, leaving one spare of course. So I'm losing capacity, but I'm starting to think that this is the way to go, if only to keep my sanity. And I have another migration to do from an F330 to an F740 with one shelf of disks. In that case, I *really* don't want to dedicate two 35Gb disks to the root vol, and the rest are in a data volume. So what should I do? ------------------------------------ So what are other people doing when they have to migrate 200-300gb of data from an older netapp to an F740? Are you making a small root volume, and then putting the rest of the disks into a new volume so you can do snap-mirror to cut down the hassles? Are you just doing what I'm doing now, which is ndmpcopy and rsycn? Are you just shutting down and doing a dump/restore or level 0 ndmpcopy and to hell with the downtime? Or is there a secret source of 2gb FC-AL disks that I can put into an FC9 shelf for my root volume? What I'd like to see from NetApp. ------------------------------------- With the growth in size of disks, I think it's time to re-think how the root volume is managed and configured. The NetApps are there to serve data, and should be even more optimized for that role. But I should not have to sacrifice disk space to make data migrations work smoothly because I need to dedicate two of my large data disks to my root volume, which only takes what, 1gb at most? Heh, I just looked at /etc/ on my F740, it's only 58mb of stuff. It would be great if NetApp would start putting in a pair of PCMCIA slots on the front panel to hold the root volume. Each slot would hold a solid-state 120mb (or bigger) disk, which would only do the root volume. No moving parts, it's mirrored, etc. Nice and simple. Heck, they could just keep using the WAFL filesystem on there and take the hit. I'd even go for *three* slots so I can keep a hot spare online. Then we'd have a dedicated data volume using all the big, slow disks for my data storage. Instantly, you'd make migrations of data much faster and easier since we would cut around the snapmirror limitations of using the root volume as the destination. Another silly idea. -------------------- Or how about the ability to snapmirror qtrees to a root volume on another system? That would be great too! And no need to change the hardware setup as I propose above, it would just *work* right out of the box. Summary ---------------- Please Give me feedback on my migration, I'm so darn tempted to just lose two disks in my root volume and stuff the rest into a data volume. To hell with the wasted space, my time is more costly. Thanks, John John Stoffel - Senior Unix Systems Administrator - Lucent Technologies stoffel(a)lucent.com - http://www.lucent.com - 978-952-7548

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RE: Data Migration Question
by Benn, Paul 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

Hi Jim, A number of tools exist for migrating NDS to AD or even NT domains but unfortunately the data migration process is a manual one. Using Backup Exec is a good idea because you'll end up with a backup of the data. It does, as you obviously know, take over twice as long to migrate the data. The best way to do this is to migrate the user data over in groups [of users]. Use one or more powerful workstations with dual redirectors installed to move the data. Once moved, set the permissions manually. It does seem tedious but if you break up the migrations into groups and then do it over several weekends, it's not so painful (I've actually lived through it). If you get a couple of admins in working in parallel, this can go pretty fast. Though (in my experience), the bottleneck is usually the NetWare server, you can tweak the filer a bit so that it performs better while the migration is in process. Take a look at these tweaks from my white paper on IIS: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3078.html#4.3 Best Regards, Paul Benn Network Appliance -----Original Message----- From: Collins, Jim [mailto:JCollins@sandc.com] Sent: Monday, January 29, 2001 10:09 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Data Migration Question I am migrating directories & files from a Novell Server to a F740 box. I am currently using Backup Exec to transfer the data. This is fine for Shared information that everyone has full control on. Can anyone suggest what I might use for Novell data that has user permissions that I would want to maintain on the Netapp side ?

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Data Migration Question
by Collins, Jim 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

I am migrating directories & files from a Novell Server to a F740 box. I am currently using Backup Exec to transfer the data. This is fine for Shared information that everyone has full control on. Can anyone suggest what I might use for Novell data that has user permissions that I would want to maintain on the Netapp side ?

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toner supplies
by toner12＠hkg.net 29 Jan '01

29 Jan '01

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Virus scanning for NetCache?
by Witham, John 26 Jan '01

26 Jan '01

Looks like NetApp and Trend announced a beta version of iCAP enabled InterScan VirusWall today. Anyone got their hands on it yet? I'd love to drop it in for use with our piddly C-1100, but the software doesn't look to be cheap... $5750 for 250 users? Add in a $10K NT box, and if you want redundancy? Ugh. Money starts flying. <http://www.antivirus.com/corporate/media/2001/pr012501.htm> http://www.antivirus.com/corporate/media/2001/pr012501.htm -john

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FS: F760/NFS/CIFS/SnapRestore/14x36gb disks/GB Ethernet
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

If you have a need for an F760 with NFS/CIFS/SnapRestore software, you can probably get a good deal on this system. The seller is inviting offers. All software licenses on this system will transfer to the buyer without charge. Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 www.unioncomputer.com

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RE: Veritas 8.5 Backup Exec in NT environment
by Muhlestein, Mark 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

You need to enable "user shares" in the Tools->options->network tab. It's also often a good idea to create a special backup share on a snapshot. See section 5.1 of http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3052.html <http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3052.html> for more on this. Mark -----Original Message----- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:PMAGLINGER@scvl.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 23, 2001 8:51 AM To: 'NetApps list server' Subject: Veritas 8.5 Backup Exec in NT environment We have a 740 filer running 5.3.7R2 in a Winnt environment. We are wanting to use Veritas 8.5 Backup Exec to backup our filer. From the Backup Exec console we can see the root volume as an administrative share (C$) and can click on the check box, but the other two volumes that we created are grayed out (D$ and E$). We are able to map to the C$, D$, and E$ from a NT Workstation. Volumes have been exported. Anyone have some experience to share? Have a prosperous and profitable day! _____ Paul Maglinger, A+, CA, CET, MCP PC Specialist Shoe Carnival Inc. (812)867-4674 pmaglinger(a)scvl.com <mailto:pmaglinger@scvl.com> _____

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RE: Backups of both NFS and CIFS Directories
by Benn, Paul 25 Jan '01

25 Jan '01

Karl, Mark explained how this works better than I ever could. I'd just like to point out that the SecureShare tool allows you to view and change the underlying UNIX-style file permissions. It doesn't add any functionality to the filer. Dunno if you've had your hands on SecureShare but here's a what it looks like just in case: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/images/3014_8.gif Regards, Paul Benn Network Appliance > How can a CIFS-client (without SecureShare) see the UNIX-permissions > on files on a filer?

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RE: Backups of both NFS and CIFS Directories
by Muhlestein, Mark 24 Jan '01

24 Jan '01

The information is passed to the backup program using a technique involving OS/2-style extended attributes. When these are restored, the filer does the "right thing" to restore the correct permissions. This technique also correctly backs up and restores all UNIX filesystem objects, including block/char special device files, symbolic links, hard links, etc. This (patent-pending) feature has been available since ONTAP version 5.1. I'm not sure where, but this should be documented in the system guide somewhere. Mark Muhlestein -- mmm(a)netapp.com -- netapp engineering -----Original Message----- From: Karl Erik Øyøygard [mailto:karl@proact.no] Sent: Wednesday, January 24, 2001 3:46 PM To: 'Benn, Paul'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Backups of both NFS and CIFS Directories Paul, others, I still don't get it! How can a CIFS-client (without SecureShare) see the UNIX-permissions on files on a filer? And especially, how do files restored by a CIFS-client get UNIX-style permissions? I've tested it, and I can see that it actually works, but I'm not confident that I can recommend this to my customers... Is this dependent on the OS version on the filer or the client backing it up? Is there any technical doc on these 'magical' permissions that aren't seen by the client backing them up, but still restored correctly? Regards, Karl Erik > -----Opprinnelig melding----- > Fra: Benn, Paul [SMTP:paul.benn@netapp.com] > Sendt: 19. januar 2001 00:12 > Til: 'glennc(a)informix.com'; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Emne: RE: Backups of both NFS and CIFS Directories > > Glenn, > > To retain both permission styles you'll need to backup using the local > dump command, an NDMP enabled backup application or backup over CIFS. > Backing up over NFS will not retain NTFS file permissions or DOS > attributes. > > If you back up over CIFS, not only are the UNIX and NT file permissions > retained but we also backup the DOS file attributes and track an archive > bit for files with UNIX-style permissions. If backing up over CIFS is your > plan, have a look at our white paper on this subject: > > <http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3052.html> > > Regards, > > Paul Benn > Network Appliance >

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