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RE: Multiple Oracle DBs on a filer
by Yarmas, Tom 09 Mar '01

09 Mar '01

There are 2 things to keep in mind here. First, there is the oracle account's home directory, and second there is an environment variable known as ORACLE_HOME. These 2 things can be different. ORACLE_HOME used to have to be unique among instances of Oracle, but with OFA in version 8.x, that has been somewhat relaxed. In versions prior to 8.x, it is more difficult for Oracle instances to share the ORACLE_HOME directory (but not impossible, at least not with unix). As a standard practice, I never install the Oracle software in the oracle account's home directory. That way I can put things in the home directory that affect multiple instances (i.e. shell scripts or sql scripts, etc.), and if I have multiple ORACLE_HOME directories then I don't have to copy things around when I make changes. Oracle will look at the ORACLE_HOME and ORACLE_SID environment variables to determine where it should find certain files by default. I have had various Oracle instances share the same ORACLE_HOME directory without consequence. One of the drawbacks of multiple instances sharing the ORACLE_HOME is that if you upgrade from one version of Oracle to another, it affects all of the instances that were using that ORACLE_HOME. That may not be a good outcome. I prefer that each Oracle instance have it's own ORACLE_HOME, if possible. You could of course create multiple oracle user account (i.e. oraprod1, oraprod2, or something more informative) instead of simply oracle. There is nothing magical in the user oracle and the group dba. They happen to be the default. However, in order to use different user names, you must re-link the Oracle S/W since the group is bound in to the oracle kernel at link time (trivial procedure). However, if multiple users are sharing the Oracle executables, then they must share the same unix group id (since it is linked into the code). Typically, I find that it is best to create a single oracle account (or a small number of oracle accounts for related instances), and use a shell script to display a choice of various Oracle instance names to the user. Then depending on the response, the ORACLE_HOME, ORACLE_SID and other variables are set. Then when the user logs in, all the environment variables are set correctly, and the ORACLE_HOME directory is different than the oracle account's home directory. And, if I install a new version of Oracle, it lives in it's own ORACLE_HOME directory, and each individual instance is not affected by changes made to another, I simply have to edit the script that lives in the oracle account's home directory so it sets the environment variables correctly. You should be able to create qtrees and/or volumes and mount points so that the Filer matches exactly what your DBA's see today in an existing environment, if that would make them happier. -tom > -----Original Message----- > From: George Kahler [mailto:george@YorkU.CA] > Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 10:05 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Multiple Oracle DBs on a filer > > > Hi, > I'm setting up an 840 filer for our DBA group to run about > 4-to-5 Oracle > OLT databases and 4-to-5 Oracle DSS databases being served from about > 1/2 a dozen Unix servers. This is something new to the DBAs > in that they > are not experienced with NFS or anything like a filer; a common disk > storage. Their databases are married to specific Unix servers. The > project mandates that the environment needs to be set up in such a way > that if any Unix server fails, the database service that it was > providing could easily be brought up on any other available Unix > server. (So far no problem) > > I have created and mapped out a quota tree into which I installed the > Oracle distribution. It looks something like: > /softwr/oracle/product/7.3.4 > /7.3.5 > this is then exported to all of the Unix servers. > > The problem I have with is the Unix Oracle home directory that I also > created in /softwr/oracle/home, ie. > oracle:x:600:211:Oracle user:/softwr/oracle/home:/bin/ksh > but the DBAs are telling me that the oracle home directory > needs to be unique > for each Unix server and Database running on that server because the > home directory is the place where they keep their environment. > > How do other people deal with this? Do you create specific Unix > accounts for each Oracle database running on a server? > > Thanks > George > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > ----------------- > George Kahler e-mail: > george(a)yorku.ca > Sr. Systems Administrator humans: (416) > 736-2100 x.22699 > Computing and Network Services machines: (416) 736-5830 > Ontario, Canada, M3J-1P3 >

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RE: cluster using F740 and F760
by Traitel, Eyal 09 Mar '01

09 Mar '01

No, sorry. This is unsupported. Eyal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer CNA, MCSE, CSA, NACA Network Appliance BV Holland Office Center Kruisweg 799b 2132 NG, Hoofddorp The Netherlands Office: +31 23 567 9685 Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 Email: eyal(a)netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: max chan [mailto:maxchan0@yahoo.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 7:16 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: cluster using F740 and F760 Dear all, Is it possible to use F740 and F760 as a cluster pair? Max __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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Multiple Oracle DBs on a filer
by George Kahler 09 Mar '01

09 Mar '01

Hi, I'm setting up an 840 filer for our DBA group to run about 4-to-5 Oracle OLT databases and 4-to-5 Oracle DSS databases being served from about 1/2 a dozen Unix servers. This is something new to the DBAs in that they are not experienced with NFS or anything like a filer; a common disk storage. Their databases are married to specific Unix servers. The project mandates that the environment needs to be set up in such a way that if any Unix server fails, the database service that it was providing could easily be brought up on any other available Unix server. (So far no problem) I have created and mapped out a quota tree into which I installed the Oracle distribution. It looks something like: /softwr/oracle/product/7.3.4 /7.3.5 this is then exported to all of the Unix servers. The problem I have with is the Unix Oracle home directory that I also created in /softwr/oracle/home, ie. oracle:x:600:211:Oracle user:/softwr/oracle/home:/bin/ksh but the DBAs are telling me that the oracle home directory needs to be unique for each Unix server and Database running on that server because the home directory is the place where they keep their environment. How do other people deal with this? Do you create specific Unix accounts for each Oracle database running on a server? Thanks George ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- George Kahler e-mail: george(a)yorku.ca Sr. Systems Administrator humans: (416) 736-2100 x.22699 Computing and Network Services machines: (416) 736-5830 Ontario, Canada, M3J-1P3

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NDMP restore not reflected in sysstat?
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

Is the data written to disk during an NDMP restore not reflected in sysstat? If not, why not? (See sysstat output below. About 8MB/sec is coming in from tape, but the write to disk is never reflected in sysstat) Thanks, Tom CPU NFS CIFS HTTP Net kB/s Disk kB/s Tape kB/s Cache in out read write read write age 29% 0 878 0 597 583 522 0 8809 0 27 38% 0 1535 0 294 503 348 0 8589 0 27 33% 0 1503 0 380 252 176 0 8516 0 27 21% 0 772 0 173 236 212 0 8847 0 27 26% 0 691 0 132 251 360 0 8903 0 27 26% 0 921 0 190 351 192 0 8709 0 27 22% 0 790 0 161 226 176 0 8589 0 27 27% 0 1140 0 246 905 344 0 8387 0 27 19% 0 677 0 138 139 268 0 8007 0 27 24% 0 732 0 148 139 236 992 8193 0 27 30% 0 760 0 178 651 996 3715 8847 0 27 20% 0 767 0 150 167 212 0 7870 0 27 20% 0 792 0 147 147 184 0 8266 0 27 20% 0 703 0 135 143 192 0 8709 0 27 23% 0 798 0 161 146 176 0 8524 0 27 22% 0 845 0 171 177 168 0 8580 0 27 22% 0 834 0 157 172 232 0 8847 0 27 33% 0 1350 0 246 231 188 0 8580 0 27 36% 0 1515 0 283 351 220 0 8589 0 27 CPU NFS CIFS HTTP Net kB/s Disk kB/s Tape kB/s Cache in out read write read write age 32% 0 974 0 182 216 480 0 8516 0 27 40% 0 1254 0 217 308 358 0 8297 0 27 40% 0 1416 0 261 257 566 2112 8809 0 27 34% 0 1432 0 253 250 188 0 8524 0 27 38% 0 1450 0 264 298 212 0 8709 0 27 36% 0 1418 0 263 265 184 0 8912 0 27 37% 0 1581 0 288 273 156 0 8774 0 27 38% 0 1610 0 303 295 160 0 8709 0 27 35% 0 1459 0 273 261 188 0 8460 0 27 37% 0 1622 0 306 274 124 0 8645 0 27 41% 0 1756 0 341 341 180 0 8782 0 27 40% 0 1644 0 308 308 200 0 8451 0 27 40% 0 1473 0 284 258 123 0 7783 0 27 34% 0 1255 0 238 220 357 1600 8429 0 27 26% 0 974 0 257 282 136 0 8718 0 27 49% 0 1459 0 291 950 1336 0 8645 0 27 38% 0 1268 0 259 977 680 0 8718 0 27 39% 0 1411 0 262 238 352 0 8709 0 27 40% 0 1293 0 280 266 248 0 8589 0 27 42% 0 1676 0 360 1277 204 0 8838 0 27

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RSH problem on NT 4.0
by Uros Lampret 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

Hi! I have problems performing RSH from specific servers. This is from NT 4.0 SP6. The first RSH goes OK, the second one hangs. Every time! If a wait some time between RSH command it works OK. This is Exchange server. I tried it from five diferent servers and workstations and they all work fine. I'd like to run batch to delete old snapshot, rename and create new. It always execute only first command and the others time out. Only on this server? Any ideas? Thanks! Microsoft(R) Windows NT(TM) (C) Copyright 1985-1996 Microsoft Corp. C:\>rsh ntnas1 df Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /vol/vol0/ 101684188 3429404 98254784 3% /vol/vol0/ /vol/vol0/.snapshot 25421044 390456 25030588 2% /vol/vol0/.snapsh ot C:\>rsh ntnas1 version -> ntnas1:Connection timed out rsh: can't establish connection _____________________________ Uros Lampret www.ourspace.si _____________________________

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ndmp ops timestamps are wrong.
by neil lehrer 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

hi, we are running tests for legato and i noticed that the timestamps for ndmp messages on the filer console and in the ndmp log are exactly 7 hours earlier than they should be. the timestamps on the filer console for other ops are correct. tz on filer is est5edt. any ideas. thanks. --

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RE: RSH problem on NT 4.0
by Coartney, Paul 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

There is a hotfix for this on the Microsoft website: http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q243/8/35.asp that will fix the latency problem. -----Original Message----- From: Larry Nail [mailto:lnail@ti.com] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 6:00 AM To: Uros Lampret; Steve Losen Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: RSH problem on NT 4.0 This will do the job... rsh filer version & rsh filer uptime ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Losen" <scl(a)sasha.acc.virginia.edu> To: "Uros Lampret" <uros.lampret(a)ourspace.si> Cc: <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 6:53 AM Subject: Re: RSH problem on NT 4.0 : : As a quick workaround, you can try running multiple commands : with one rsh. Separate the commands with ; : : In a unix shell, you can do it like this. : : rsh filer "version; uptime; df" : : I don't know if ; is a special character that needs quoting in : a DOS window. But if you can get rsh to pass all the commands : including the ; separators then the filer will run them all. : : : > This is a multi-part message in MIME format. : > : > ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0A7B5.FDF7F9A0 : > Content-Type: text/plain; : > charset="iso-8859-2" : > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable : > : > Hi! : > : > I have problems performing RSH from specific servers.=20 : > : > : > This is from NT 4.0 SP6. The first RSH goes OK, the second one hangs. = : > Every time! : > If a wait some time between RSH command it works OK. This is Exchange = : > server.=20 : > I tried it from five diferent servers and workstations and they all work = : > fine.=20 : > : > I'd like to run batch to delete old snapshot, rename and create new. It = : > always execute only first command and the others time out. Only on this = : > server? : > : > Any ideas? : > : > Thanks! : > : > : > : > Microsoft(R) Windows NT(TM) : > (C) Copyright 1985-1996 Microsoft Corp. : > : > C:\>rsh ntnas1 df : > Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted = : > on : > /vol/vol0/ 101684188 3429404 98254784 3% = : > /vol/vol0/ : > /vol/vol0/.snapshot 25421044 390456 25030588 2% = : > /vol/vol0/.snapsh : > ot : > : > C:\>rsh ntnas1 version : > -> ntnas1:Connection timed out : > rsh: can't establish connection : > : > : > : > : > _____________________________ : > : > Uros Lampret : > www.ourspace.si : > _____________________________ : > : > ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0A7B5.FDF7F9A0 : > Content-Type: text/html; : > charset="iso-8859-2" : > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable : > : > <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> : > <HTML><HEAD> : > <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = : > charset=3Diso-8859-2"> : > <META content=3D"MSHTML 5.50.4207.2601" name=3DGENERATOR> : > <STYLE></STYLE> : > </HEAD> : > <BODY bgColor=3D#ffffff> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Hi!</FONT></DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I have problems performing RSH from = : > specific=20 : > servers. </FONT></DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>This is from NT 4.0 SP6. The first RSH = : > goes OK, the=20 : > second one hangs. Every time!</FONT></DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>If a wait some time between RSH command = : > it works=20 : > OK. This is Exchange server. </FONT></DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I tried it from five diferent servers = : > and=20 : > workstations and they all work fine. </FONT></DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I'd like to run batch to delete old = : > snapshot,=20 : > rename and create new. It always execute only first command and the = : > others time=20 : > out. Only on this server?</FONT></DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Any ideas?</FONT></DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Thanks!</FONT></DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Microsoft(R) Windows NT(TM)<BR>(C) = : > Copyright=20 : > 1985-1996 Microsoft Corp.</FONT></DIV> : > <DIV> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>C:\>rsh ntnas1=20 : > df<BR>Filesystem         &nb= : > sp;   =20 : > kbytes       = : > used     =20 : > avail capacity  Mounted=20 : > on<BR>/vol/vol0/         &nb= : > sp;=20 : > 101684188    3429404   = : > 98254784    =20 : > 3%    /vol/vol0/<BR>/vol/vol0/.snapshot  =20 : > 25421044     390456  =20 : > 25030588     2%   =20 : > /vol/vol0/.snapsh<BR>ot</FONT></DIV> : > <DIV> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>C:\>rsh ntnas1 version<BR>->=20 : > ntnas1:Connection timed out<BR>rsh: can't establish = : > connection</FONT></DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><BR><FONT face=3DArial = : > size=3D2>_____________________________</FONT></DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV> : > <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Uros Lampret<BR></FONT><A=20 : > href=3D"http://www.ourspace.si"><FONT face=3DArial=20 : > size=3D2>www.ourspace.si</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=3DArial=20 : > size=3D2>_____________________________</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML> : > : > ------=_NextPart_000_0025_01C0A7B5.FDF7F9A0-- : > : : : Steve Losen scl(a)virginia.edu phone: 804-924-0640 : : University of Virginia ITC Unix Support :

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AIT LibraryPro from overland
by neil lehrer 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

anyone have specific experience with these? thanks

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RE: RSH problem on NT 4.0
by Mankovsky, Mike 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

The filer will periodically fail to respond to RSH from a pc running NT 4.0 SP6. This is due to TCP ISN (Initial Sequence Number) used by NT 4.0 SP6. This bug has not been observed in some earlier NT 4.0 service packs, or in Windows 2000. For more information look at: <http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q243/8/35.asp> http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q243/8/35.asp Q243835 How to Prevent Predictable TCP/IP Initial Sequence Numbers. Q243835 lists a hotfix that resolves this issue. Regards, Mike Mankovsky Network Appliance Inc. -----Original Message----- From: Uros Lampret [mailto:uros.lampret@ourspace.si] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 12:56 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RSH problem on NT 4.0 Hi! I have problems performing RSH from specific servers. This is from NT 4.0 SP6. The first RSH goes OK, the second one hangs. Every time! If a wait some time between RSH command it works OK. This is Exchange server. I tried it from five diferent servers and workstations and they all work fine. I'd like to run batch to delete old snapshot, rename and create new. It always execute only first command and the others time out. Only on this server? Any ideas? Thanks! Microsoft(R) Windows NT(TM) (C) Copyright 1985-1996 Microsoft Corp. C:\>rsh ntnas1 df Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /vol/vol0/ 101684188 3429404 98254784 3% /vol/vol0/ /vol/vol0/.snapshot 25421044 390456 25030588 2% /vol/vol0/.snapsh ot C:\>rsh ntnas1 version -> ntnas1:Connection timed out rsh: can't establish connection _____________________________ Uros Lampret <http://www.ourspace.si> www.ourspace.si _____________________________

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Please take me out off the list
by Heidi Berg 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

Med hilsen/best regards Heidi Berg Systemkonsulent ProAct Systems AS PB. 334 Okern 0511 Oslo (Sinsenvn. 53a, 0585 Oslo) Phone:+47 22 89 23 89/ 22 89 23 38 (direkte) / 22 89 23 50 (support tlf) Fax: +47 22 89 23 51 Mobile: +47 926 35 254 Web: Http://www.ProAct.no <Http://www.ProAct.no> mailto:Heidi@ProAct.no <mailto:Heidi@ProAct.no> Legato Certified Engineer Microsoft Certified Professional

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RE: Is there a way to tell who is mapping specific filer cifs sha res?
by Seth Moskowitz 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

Not sure if anyone else has experienced this or not but thought I would mention it since I see people mentioning the "cifs sessions" command. We have clustered 840's twice when the command was run it locked up the filer head and sent us into failover. I am not sure it has happened since upgrading to 6.0.1R1 but just thought I would mention it. >From: "Muhlestein, Mark" <mark.muhlestein(a)netapp.com> >To: "'Monica Lam'" <Monica.Lam(a)cosinecom.com>, "'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" > <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: RE: Is there a way to tell who is mapping specific filer cifs sha >res? >Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2001 11:27:31 -0800 > >I don't know of a way to directly do it, but using rsh you could do "cifs >sessions *" then parse the output to see which shares are in use for each >user. It could be done with a fairly simple perl script. > >Mark > >-----Original Message----- >From: Monica Lam [mailto:Monica.Lam@cosinecom.com] >Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 11:29 AM >To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' >Subject: Is there a way to tell who is mapping specific filer cifs shares? > > > >Hi, > >We want to intermittantly capture data on which users are mapping >which cifs shares off of our filers. Any one familiar with a command >line way of doing this, either from NT or solaris or the Network Appliance >itself? > >(The information shows up in the NT server manager, but it is not very >useful >in terms of capturing trends...) > >Thanks! > > _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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RE: cluster using F740 and F760
by White, Lance 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

Not on your life...different memory footprint. -----Original Message----- From: max chan [mailto:maxchan0@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2001 10:16 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: cluster using F740 and F760 Dear all, Is it possible to use F740 and F760 as a cluster pair? Max __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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RE: RSH problem on NT 4.0
by Traitel, Eyal 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

Uros, A problem has been detected with some changes in rsh code in NT4 SP6. Please refer to the following article for Microsoft hotfix. Q243835 How to Prevent Predictable TCP/IP Initial Sequence Numbers http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q243/8/35.asp <http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q243/8/35.asp> We have added a workaround for this issue from our side, and this can be handled by a kernel patch (will be added to one of our next releases by default) which you can track thru bug number 33682. The best for you though would be to apply the Windows hotfix than to change anything on the filer. Please reply if this helps, Eyal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer CNA, MCSE, CSA, NetApp CA Network Appliance BV Holland Office Center Kruisweg 799b 2132 NG, Hoofddorp The Netherlands Office: +31 23 567 9685 Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 Email: eyal(a)netapp.com <mailto:eyal@netapp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com <http://now.netapp.com> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Uros Lampret [mailto:uros.lampret@ourspace.si] Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2001 9:56 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RSH problem on NT 4.0 Hi! I have problems performing RSH from specific servers. This is from NT 4.0 SP6. The first RSH goes OK, the second one hangs. Every time! If a wait some time between RSH command it works OK. This is Exchange server. I tried it from five diferent servers and workstations and they all work fine. I'd like to run batch to delete old snapshot, rename and create new. It always execute only first command and the others time out. Only on this server? Any ideas? Thanks! Microsoft(R) Windows NT(TM) (C) Copyright 1985-1996 Microsoft Corp. C:\>rsh ntnas1 df Filesystem kbytes used avail capacity Mounted on /vol/vol0/ 101684188 3429404 98254784 3% /vol/vol0/ /vol/vol0/.snapshot 25421044 390456 25030588 2% /vol/vol0/.snapsh ot C:\>rsh ntnas1 version -> ntnas1:Connection timed out rsh: can't establish connection _____________________________ Uros Lampret <http://www.ourspace.si> www.ourspace.si _____________________________

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Re: F760 Config for Oracle
by Tom Heffron 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

Duane, Don't know if you've been here. It's a good place to start regarding some initial guidance. You can find a bunch of info at: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/ and look for your version of Oracle. The info for Oracle8 on a NetApp cluster is generally still valid for Oracle7. Thomas Heffron Systems Engineer DataWise, Inc. theffron(a)datawise1.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Duane Schultz <duane(a)connect.com.au> Date: Wednesday, March 7, 2001 6:39 pm Subject: F760 Config for Oracle > We're moving to NetApp storage for our Oracle database (Sun E6500) and > have a single F760 with 4 36GB shelves - about 1TB raw (I know usable > storage will be way less than this). We will be moving to a > cluster in > about 4 months, but wish to use as a semi-live development environment > in the meantime. > > What is a recommended volume configuration for this sort of situation > ? Current thoughts on our end are two physical volumes, two > shelves in > each, and split each physical volume into two qtrees/mountpoints. Once > we have the cluster partner, we would expect to move one of the > physicalvolumes to the new head, and spread load across them. > > What are other people doing here ? > > -- > | Duane Schultz System Manager | > | duane(a)connect.com.au connect.com.au pty ltd | > | Tel: +61 3 9251 3676 Level 9, 114 Albert Road | > | Fax: +61 3 9251 3666 South Melbourne 3205 Australia | >

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F760 Config for Oracle
by Duane Schultz 08 Mar '01

08 Mar '01

We're moving to NetApp storage for our Oracle database (Sun E6500) and have a single F760 with 4 36GB shelves - about 1TB raw (I know usable storage will be way less than this). We will be moving to a cluster in about 4 months, but wish to use as a semi-live development environment in the meantime. What is a recommended volume configuration for this sort of situation ? Current thoughts on our end are two physical volumes, two shelves in each, and split each physical volume into two qtrees/mountpoints. Once we have the cluster partner, we would expect to move one of the physical volumes to the new head, and spread load across them. What are other people doing here ? -- | Duane Schultz System Manager | | duane(a)connect.com.au connect.com.au pty ltd | | Tel: +61 3 9251 3676 Level 9, 114 Albert Road | | Fax: +61 3 9251 3666 South Melbourne 3205 Australia |

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Adopting Mac Clients
by Collins, Jim 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

I would like to pose a question. Has anyone had to incorporate Mac clients into an NT domain from Novell ? Using a Netapp filer as the storage medium for such. I am looking at moving these clients files from a Novell server to the Netapp. I have read the 'NT' material on what needs to be done as far as the files being put on an 'NT' server. But am unsure of what needs to be done to make it work with Netapp. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Jim Collins S&C Electtric Company Chicago IL

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Excluding files from NDMP backup
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Is there a way to exclude files from an NDMP backup? By this I'm asking both (1) A subdirectory of a volume or qtree that's being backed up (2) Files with specific extensions (e.g. *.pst files so you don't back up Exchange email archives) We're using Veritas NetBackup 3.4. Thanks, MD

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RE: Adopting Mac Clients
by Andrew Siegel 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Thomas Heffron wrote: > > I have a client who is using the Helios Ethershare in production on a Sun > E6500. They are "resharing" the NFS mount to the Mac clients and are happy > as heck with it. We use Xinet's (http://www.xinet.com) KA-Share product to do exactly the same thing (i.e. mount an NFS file system and re-export it as AppleShare). I also did this at a previous job. Works very well. What's nice about the AppleShare re-exporting model (as opposed to putting CIFS or NFS on the Mac) is that there is nothing to install on the Macs -- they work natively with AppleShare, so you can put a brand-new, out-of-the-box Mac on your network and start downloading it immediately. I believe KA-Share runs on Sun, SGI, and HP. We use it on SGI. -- Andrew Siegel Head of Systems Blue Sky Studios, Inc. 44 South Broadway, 17th floor White Plains, NY 10601 914-259-6336 direct 914-259-6500 main 914-259-6499 fax abs(a)blueskystudios.com

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RE: Adopting Mac Clients
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

If you're running ONTAP 5.x, start using DAVE, and then upgrade to 6.x, note that according to the "possible upgrade issues" for going to 6.0.x is If your filer is accessed by Macintosh computers using the DAVE client from Thursby Systems, the DAVE client starts using the new streams feature when this release of Data ONTAP is installed, and information that was stored in special resource.frk files is lost. To solve this problem, you should run the na_macstream program from a Windows client after the upgrade to this release of Data ONTAP is completed and before DAVE clients access any files. Instructions for obtaining, installing, and running the na_macstream program are included in the Start Here. MD -----Original Message----- From: Braunschweiger, Udo [mailto:udo@netapp.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 12:44 PM To: 'Thomas Heffron'; Collins Jim; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Adopting Mac Clients Hi all as far as I understood the thursby products, DAVE is CIFS Client for MacOS not an nfs Client software. Using netapp filer with cifs-only license, I can install DAVE on any Mac, that need access to the filer and it works. There is one restriction I read about with DAVE and Filer: "You cannot add, change or remove ACLs from the Mac. All privileges are working on the macintosh and the mac is integrated on the NT domain as NT workstation." (??) This requires a NT Domain Controller. You need OnTap Version 5.3 or newer and DAVE 2.5 or newer. The nfs Client Software from Thursby is called MACnfs. Regards Udo -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Heffron [mailto:theffron@wisedata.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 7. März 2001 17:11 To: Collins Jim; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Adopting Mac Clients Jim, I work for a NetApp reseller and have been involved in a few implementations with Mac clients. There's two ways to look at the issue. Do you want the Macs to "talk" directly to the NetApp or do you want them to go through an NT domain? In the first case, there are several third party NFS client software apps for Mac that work well. The DAVE client from Thursby systems is one that I'm familiar with. Remember that this requires an NFS license on the Filer and means you have to manage an NFS style database or mapping to the NT domain. The other case requires you to put the Mac clients in the NT domain and map the drives from the Mac directly. Two ways to look at this: 1) "Force" the Macs to "talk/interpret" in the NT space. 2) "Force" the NT domain server to "talk/interpret" for the Macs. The second option requires much overhead because you need to "reshare" the Filer's NT shares through the NT server with Mac services. (Remember - you can't install Mac services for NT on the Filer). On an additional note... The latest Macintosh OS (version 10) is built on a UNIX kernel and has the NFS client built into it. So the NFS solution may be best for the future. (After buying the Filer's NFS license - of course). Hope this helps. Thomas Heffron Sytems Engineer DataWise, Inc. theffron(a)datawise1.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]On Behalf Of Collins, Jim Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:16 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Adopting Mac Clients I would like to pose a question. Has anyone had to incorporate Mac clients into an NT domain from Novell ? Using a Netapp filer as the storage medium for such. I am looking at moving these clients files from a Novell server to the Netapp. I have read the 'NT' material on what needs to be done as far as the files being put on an 'NT' server. But am unsure of what needs to be done to make it work with Netapp. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Jim Collins S&C Electtric Company Chicago IL

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RE: Adopting Mac Clients
by Braunschweiger, Udo 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Hi all Ethershare can provide MacPrinting Services on the Sun Box as well. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Siegel [mailto:abs@blueskystudios.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 7. Marz 2001 18:48 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Adopting Mac Clients Thomas Heffron wrote: > > I have a client who is using the Helios Ethershare in production on a Sun > E6500. They are "resharing" the NFS mount to the Mac clients and are happy > as heck with it. We use Xinet's (http://www.xinet.com) KA-Share product to do exactly the same thing (i.e. mount an NFS file system and re-export it as AppleShare). I also did this at a previous job. Works very well. What's nice about the AppleShare re-exporting model (as opposed to putting CIFS or NFS on the Mac) is that there is nothing to install on the Macs -- they work natively with AppleShare, so you can put a brand-new, out-of-the-box Mac on your network and start downloading it immediately. I believe KA-Share runs on Sun, SGI, and HP. We use it on SGI. -- Andrew Siegel Head of Systems Blue Sky Studios, Inc. 44 South Broadway, 17th floor White Plains, NY 10601 914-259-6336 direct 914-259-6500 main 914-259-6499 fax abs(a)blueskystudios.com

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RE: Adopting Mac Clients
by Braunschweiger, Udo 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Hi all as far as I understood the thursby products, DAVE is CIFS Client for MacOS not an nfs Client software. Using netapp filer with cifs-only license, I can install DAVE on any Mac, that need access to the filer and it works. There is one restriction I read about with DAVE and Filer: "You cannot add, change or remove ACLs from the Mac. All privileges are working on the macintosh and the mac is integrated on the NT domain as NT workstation." (??) This requires a NT Domain Controller. You need OnTap Version 5.3 or newer and DAVE 2.5 or newer. The nfs Client Software from Thursby is called MACnfs. Regards Udo -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Heffron [mailto:theffron@wisedata.com] Sent: Mittwoch, 7. März 2001 17:11 To: Collins Jim; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Adopting Mac Clients Jim, I work for a NetApp reseller and have been involved in a few implementations with Mac clients. There's two ways to look at the issue. Do you want the Macs to "talk" directly to the NetApp or do you want them to go through an NT domain? In the first case, there are several third party NFS client software apps for Mac that work well. The DAVE client from Thursby systems is one that I'm familiar with. Remember that this requires an NFS license on the Filer and means you have to manage an NFS style database or mapping to the NT domain. The other case requires you to put the Mac clients in the NT domain and map the drives from the Mac directly. Two ways to look at this: 1) "Force" the Macs to "talk/interpret" in the NT space. 2) "Force" the NT domain server to "talk/interpret" for the Macs. The second option requires much overhead because you need to "reshare" the Filer's NT shares through the NT server with Mac services. (Remember - you can't install Mac services for NT on the Filer). On an additional note... The latest Macintosh OS (version 10) is built on a UNIX kernel and has the NFS client built into it. So the NFS solution may be best for the future. (After buying the Filer's NFS license - of course). Hope this helps. Thomas Heffron Sytems Engineer DataWise, Inc. theffron(a)datawise1.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]On Behalf Of Collins, Jim Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 9:16 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Adopting Mac Clients I would like to pose a question. Has anyone had to incorporate Mac clients into an NT domain from Novell ? Using a Netapp filer as the storage medium for such. I am looking at moving these clients files from a Novell server to the Netapp. I have read the 'NT' material on what needs to be done as far as the files being put on an 'NT' server. But am unsure of what needs to be done to make it work with Netapp. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Jim Collins S&C Electtric Company Chicago IL

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RE: Adopting Mac Clients
by Benn, Paul 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Hello Jim, Many customers use a CIFS client from Thursby Software called Dave. Thursby also offer an NFS client. www.thursby.com Other than that, you'd need to use an NFS to AFP gateway product. We've not tested any of them but I do know that there are customers using some of these solutions (not in any specific order): 1) Apple OS X server (the command line version, which has been available for some time now) *might* be able to function as a gateway. 2) NetATalk is an open source AFP server 3) Helios Ethershare www.helios.de On a smaller scale, the Dave client is probably your best solution. There are no CIFS to AFP gateways that I've ever heard of. Microsoft SFM (Services for Macintosh), which ships with NT & Win2K, can't be fooled into using NAS as back end storage. :( Regards, Paul Benn Network Appliance -----Original Message----- From: Collins, Jim [mailto:JCollins@sandc.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:16 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Adopting Mac Clients I would like to pose a question. Has anyone had to incorporate Mac clients into an NT domain from Novell ? Using a Netapp filer as the storage medium for such. I am looking at moving these clients files from a Novell server to the Netapp. I have read the 'NT' material on what needs to be done as far as the files being put on an 'NT' server. But am unsure of what needs to be done to make it work with Netapp. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Jim Collins S&C Electtric Company Chicago IL

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RE: Adopting Mac Clients
by Benn, Paul 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

Oh, and there's OS X (client) which should be available by the end of the month. It has command line support for NFS. -----Original Message----- From: Collins, Jim [mailto:JCollins@sandc.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 07, 2001 7:16 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Adopting Mac Clients I would like to pose a question. Has anyone had to incorporate Mac clients into an NT domain from Novell ? Using a Netapp filer as the storage medium for such. I am looking at moving these clients files from a Novell server to the Netapp. I have read the 'NT' material on what needs to be done as far as the files being put on an 'NT' server. But am unsure of what needs to be done to make it work with Netapp. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Jim Collins S&C Electtric Company Chicago IL

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cpu util during ndmp backup
by neil lehrer 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

hi, we are finally getting legato networker going with ndmp. my f760 is running 5.36r2. it has a directly attached spectralogic treefrog. the sysstat data below is running at 1 second intervals. the filer is not being used yet, we are testing. i notice a regular pattern of cpu util going from about 10 to 20 to 30 to 40% and then back down. then quiet at about 7% for about 10 seconds then up and down again. is this normal for backup? thanks. 7% 0 0 0 0 0 5328 0 0 5714 41 7% 0 0 0 1 0 5477 16 0 5658 41 7% 0 0 0 1 0 6152 0 0 6205 41 6% 0 0 0 1 0 5653 0 0 5843 41 CPU NFS CIFS HTTP Net kB/s Disk kB/s Tape kB/s Cache in out read write read write age 7% 0 0 0 0 0 5676 16 0 5407 41 7% 0 0 0 1 1 5645 0 0 6335 41 7% 0 0 0 1 0 5876 0 0 5960 41 7% 0 0 0 1 1 5456 16 0 5530 41 10% 0 1 0 1 1 6190 0 0 6150 41 22% 0 0 0 14 26 8312 0 0 8479 41 29% 0 0 0 14 26 12840 212 0 12485 41 41% 0 0 0 40 78 10868 0 0 10936 41 22% 0 0 0 14 26 9709 0 0 9533 41 28% 0 0 0 27 52 9820 16 0 9400 41 22% 0 0 0 14 25 11816 0 0 12349 41 10% 0 0 0 1 1 7207 0 0 7011 41 31% 0 0 0 27 52 9232 16 0 9400 41 12% 0 0 0 0 0 9305 0 0 9779 41 8% 0 0 0 1 0 6916 0 0 6820 41 9% 0 0 0 1 0 7471 16 0 7565 41 10% 0 0 0 1 0 7184 0 0 7864 41 11% 0 0 0 1 0 7223 188 0 7257 41 9% 0 0 0 1 0 7216 24 0 7188 41 8% 0 0 0 0 0 7000 0 0 7188 41 -- regards

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RE: Time to upgrade to Ontap 6
by Jankowski Ted-CTJ012 07 Mar '01

07 Mar '01

I asked NetApp the same question. The response I got was that WAT is only necessary for 6.0.0 only. So you don't need to run it for any of the current versions. -Ted -----Original Message----- From: Dianna Mullet [mailto:drmullet@link.com] Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2001 1:46 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Time to upgrade to Ontap 6 A few months ago Netapp had me run a tool called WAT to determine whether or not my filers (F760's) could be upgraded to 6.0. I can't find any mention of that tool on now.netapp.com. Does Netapp still recommend running it, and if so, where can I get it? Dianna Mullet - Systems Architect Information Technology L-3 Communications Link Simulation & Training 817.619.3786

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