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MS Exchange on Netapps
by Jennifer Armenta 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

Any thoughts on this from anyone one... why is NetApps saying they are working with MS on this issue? doesn't sound like it from this KB article... http://support.microsoft.com/support/kb/articles/q288/2/12.asp

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Oracle DBs on a filer
by Jennifer Armenta 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

I was told recently from some who has worked with Netapp & Oracle implementations - it works real well for NON-transaction oriented databases. So things like Decision support, data warehouses, or reporting databases - it works well. In fact NetApp comes right out and says that they don't recommend using their box in OLTP configurations. The biggest reason is that OLTP database tend to be lots of little transactions and since you are using NFS (relatively big transactions) you won't get the performance gains as you would with a DSS config. Does anyone have experience with running Oracle with mass transactions that could help me (EMC vs' NetApps)

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F630 and C630
by max chan 19 Mar '01

19 Mar '01

Anybody know whether C630 and F630 hardware is identical? or any different? I would like to purchase a F630 as a spare for our C630. or any recommendation? Max __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/

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RE: Permanent Visible Drive Mapping From NT
by Witham, John 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Hi Martin: We use autoexec.nt in a large amount of installed servers, and have had no problems. You might want to make sure the AutoExNT service is starting as a Domain account that has access to the share on the filer. If you want, I could share some of our documentation/scripts with you. Cheers! -john -----Original Message----- From: Martin Hughes [mailto:Martin.Hughes@Halliburton.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:54 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Permanent Visible Drive Mapping From NT Good morning, all, I have a small problem (ignoring the larger and more visible ones). We would like to use our F840C as straight disk for some webservers. In order for the programs to register .dlls etc correctly, we need to have a permanent mapping on the machine for both the service account that we boot the machine on and anyone attaching to the machine through terminal server (ie like the C:\ or D:\ drives). We have tried using Autoexec.nt to create a batch file that runs 'net use etc etc' but when we do this the drive mapped is not visible to anyone logging in and you can remap the drive letter without getting an error/warning message. Is anyone else using the filer in the same manner and how did you get around this? We're thinking of using an NT group and forcing a drive mapping every time someone logs into it but this seems a bit heavy handed. All hints and tips gratefully appreciated. Regards Martin Enterprise Storage/Enterprise Server Group <mailto:martin.hughes@halliburton.com> cellphone: +1 713 303 9214 office: +1 281 871 4124 <<Martin JV Hughes (E-mail).vcf>>

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RE: Permanent Visible Drive Mapping From NT
by Traitel, Eyal 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Let's do it in a Fast, Simple and Reliable way :) This can be done like described in: http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/3054.html#Config Look for the Additional Configuration Topics, Using and Configuring AutoExNT part. I can send you the utility itself as well, Eyal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer CNA, MCSE, CSA, NetApp CA Network Appliance BV Holland Office Center Kruisweg 799b 2132 NG, Hoofddorp The Netherlands Office: +31 23 567 9685 Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 Email: eyal(a)netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Martin Hughes [mailto:Martin.Hughes@Halliburton.com] Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 3:54 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Permanent Visible Drive Mapping From NT Good morning, all, I have a small problem (ignoring the larger and more visible ones). We would like to use our F840C as straight disk for some webservers. In order for the programs to register .dlls etc correctly, we need to have a permanent mapping on the machine for both the service account that we boot the machine on and anyone attaching to the machine through terminal server (ie like the C:\ or D:\ drives). We have tried using Autoexec.nt to create a batch file that runs 'net use etc etc' but when we do this the drive mapped is not visible to anyone logging in and you can remap the drive letter without getting an error/warning message. Is anyone else using the filer in the same manner and how did you get around this? We're thinking of using an NT group and forcing a drive mapping every time someone logs into it but this seems a bit heavy handed. All hints and tips gratefully appreciated. Regards Martin Enterprise Storage/Enterprise Server Group <mailto:martin.hughes@halliburton.com> cellphone: +1 713 303 9214 office: +1 281 871 4124 <<Martin JV Hughes (E-mail).vcf>>

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Permanent Visible Drive Mapping From NT
by Martin Hughes 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

Good morning, all, I have a small problem (ignoring the larger and more visible ones). We would like to use our F840C as straight disk for some webservers. In order for the programs to register .dlls etc correctly, we need to have a permanent mapping on the machine for both the service account that we boot the machine on and anyone attaching to the machine through terminal server (ie like the C:\ or D:\ drives). We have tried using Autoexec.nt to create a batch file that runs 'net use etc etc' but when we do this the drive mapped is not visible to anyone logging in and you can remap the drive letter without getting an error/warning message. Is anyone else using the filer in the same manner and how did you get around this? We're thinking of using an NT group and forcing a drive mapping every time someone logs into it but this seems a bit heavy handed. All hints and tips gratefully appreciated. Regards Martin Enterprise Storage/Enterprise Server Group <mailto:martin.hughes@halliburton.com> cellphone: +1 713 303 9214 office: +1 281 871 4124 <<Martin JV Hughes (E-mail).vcf>>

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SSH (Secure Admin)
by Hubbard, Dan 16 Mar '01

16 Mar '01

I was wondering if anyone here is using the "Secure Admin" on the NetApp boxes ? If so, could you let me know if it is a "standard SSH server" that support scp also ? Thanks

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HP-UX K-Class Gigabit Ethernet issues?
by Witham, John 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Hi All: This may be slightly off subject, but we're migrating a large amount of data on an HP K580 (800GB) from an EMC Symmetrix 3930 to (2) F840s using Gigabit Ethernet. Initial Oracle testing is putting the 840 at 4x slower than the Sym we migrated from. We're 95% sure it's Gig-E related. We've been going through patch Hell, and I don't want to reinvent the wheel here. Is anyone on this list successfully using a K580 on HP-UX 11.0 with Gig-E? If so, can I PLEASE ask you to share your patch levels/parameter tweaks? TIA! John Witham Sr. Data Networking Engineer Takeda Pharmaceuticals North America, Inc. V://847.383.3304 F://847.383.3205 mailto://jwitham@takedapharm.com <mailto://jwitham@takedapharm.com>

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Re: NFS version 4
by Darrell Fuhriman 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Chris Thompson <cet1(a)cus.cam.ac.uk> writes: > Of course, we are probably still years away from usable client > implementations. I actually doubt that. There's enough interest in NFSv4 that it's likely to take off pretty quickly. Netapp has already done a preliminary implementation (according a paper I found somewhere, written by one of their engineers). Connectathon 2001 was just last weekend, but I don't know what the results of it were... http://www.connectathon.org/ As to RFC 3010, you'll note the work place of the authors? That might give some clue as to Netapp's plans. And anyway, it's still "standards track" which means it could still change. Darrell

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RE: LTO support?
by glennm＠latticesemi.com 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

So judging from the two NetApp emails below, the company posistion on LTO drivers for NetApp customers is this: 1) We can't get a free drive to make drivers with, so we won't. 2) And NetApp is going to wait a long time (as much as "2 years") to worry about LTO as there is no market for it. The conclusion is that NetApp is to cheap to buy a drive and NetApp customers will have to buy LTO drives first before NetApp makes a driver (and there will have to be a lot of customers owning a drive before NetApp can justify making a driver). Well thanks NetApp! But times have changed! Get with it! In the past tape drives have been ahead of the curve for storage as a whole. But now with the big disk drives in huge arrays, the tape drive is way behind. So when a new drive like the LTO comes out, customers want (need?) to ramp up to the technology as soon as possible. And the OEM people like NetApp that supply drivers need to be aware of this. I, like many people, have a LTO drive now. And I am using it because I have a SUN driver for it. The driver was available when I bought the drive in January. On the other hand NetApp wants to wait? Why? To what advantage? The cost of a LTO drive is small change compared to your customer support issues. And waiting is only going to create problems between NetApp and it's customers. Help us please! Just my two cents worth. *************************************************************************** Glenn Marsh Lattice Semiconductor Corporation Unix Systems Administrator 5555 NE Moore Court CAD Engineering Hillsboro, Oregon 97124 glenn.marsh(a)latticesemi.com 503-268-8000 503-268-8136 phone - 503-268-8459 fax *************************************************************************** From: "Alvarado, Michael" <michael.alvarado(a)netapp.com> To: "'David A. Chapa'" <david(a)datastaff.com>, Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com> Cc: "Collie, Michael" <Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com>, Steve Vawter <svawter(a)c-cube.com>, ryanb(a)enteract.com, toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: LTO support? Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 19:37:51 -0800 Yes LTO has been discussed extensively but all of the potential LTO suppliers have been unable to supply NetApp with any LTO devices and the SCSI device driver cannot be written without a drive. IBM prioritized other vendors ahead of NetApp. Here is where it is helpful to the end use customers make clear to suppliers that NetApp support is strategic and important. =========================================================================== From: "Stringer, Douglas" <Douglas.Stringer(a)netapp.com> To: "'David A. Chapa'" <david(a)datastaff.com> Cc: "Collie, Michael" <Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com>, "'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com>, "'ryanb(a)enteract.com'" <ryanb(a)enteract.com> Subject: RE: LTO support? Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2001 15:38:25 -0800 David: Yes, we've heard of it, and LTO as a supported tape format is on our roadmap. Please bear with me on this as I want to weed through the 'talk' and the 'hype' that jumps out at me in the below messages. Data protection and restorability is very serious business, not glamorous, not sexy, but pretty darn important if a company's business depends on it. Our goal here is to bring to our installed and new customer base a standard of 'proven' reliability in maintaining data integrity so that operations in workgroups-to-enterprise level environments go on as expected. With that in mind, field reliability and data to prove it out are top on the list of priorities for our certified solutions. Coming from a tape drive manufacturing area myself, I know that introduction (i.e. shipping vs. development and marketing) of a new tape format follows a fairly slow curve during the first two years before market/customer acceptance kicks in. LTO, as well as SDLT, will get there probably sooner due to both coming from the 'linear tape format' world and all manufacturers have a wealth of tape experience with other formats. Regards, Doug Stringer ****************************************************************************** Glenn Marsh Lattice Semiconductor Corporation Unix Systems Administrator 5555 NE Moore Court CAD Engineering Hillsboro, Oregon 97124 glenn.marsh(a)latticesemi.com 503-268-8000 503-268-8136 phone - 503-268-8459 fax ******************************************************************************

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AW: LTO support?
by Poellmann, Christoph ISY 1 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Hello, i am following the toaster's LTO thread with great interest. It came up just in time when we were about to order a library with LTO drives for NDMP based filer backup. We are not fixed to LTO, but we need and want the capacity and the performance it promises. This leads to the next question: Does or when will Netapp support SDLT drives? Christoph -- Christoph Poellmann INA * Herzogenaurach * Germany fon: 09132 824691 * fax: 09132 824953 * email: Christoph.Poellmann(a)de.ina.com mobile fon: 0173 5768452 > -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- > Von: David A. Chapa [mailto:david@datastaff.com] > Gesendet am: Donnerstag, 15. März 2001 15:53 > An: Stringer, Douglas > Cc: 'David A. Chapa'; Collie, Michael; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com'; > 'ryanb(a)enteract.com' > Betreff: RE: LTO support? > > Doug: > > I appreciate your comments and the position of your > company. Believe me I want to see NTAP deliver tested, > known, high quality solutions to their customer > base...more than you know. > > And I do understand data protection and restorability > having spent the last 10 years of my career doing just > that with various software companies, including > OpenVision. > > My point wasn't that you hadn't heard of the > technology, just how surprised that your company isn't > as far along today as others are with LTO support. > > My two line response wasn't intended as a shot to you > or your company. Just a fact, I was surprised. > > Kindest regards, > David Chapa > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > David A. Chapa > Consulting Manager > DataStaff, Inc. > 847 413 1144 > http://www.consulting.datastaff.com > --------------------------------------- > NBU-LSERV(a)datastaff.com - Adv. Scripting > > > Quoting "Stringer, Douglas" > <Douglas.Stringer(a)netapp.com>: > > > David: Yes, we've heard of it, and LTO as a > supported tape format is on > > our > > roadmap. > > Please bear with me on this as I want to weed through > the 'talk' and the > > 'hype' that jumps out at me in the below messages. > > Data protection and restorability is very serious > business, not glamorous, > > not sexy, but pretty darn important if a company's > business depends on it. > > Our goal here is to bring to our installed and new > customer base a standard > > of 'proven' reliability in maintaining data integrity > so that operations in > > workgroups-to-enterprise level environments go on as > expected. > > With that in mind, field reliability and data to > prove it out are top on > > the > > list of priorities for our certified solutions. > Coming from a tape drive > > manufacturing area myself, I know that introduction > (i.e. shipping vs. > > development and marketing) of a new tape format > follows a fairly slow curve > > during the first two years before market/customer > acceptance kicks in. > > LTO, > > as well as SDLT, will get there probably sooner due > to both coming from > > the > > 'linear tape format' world and all manufacturers have > a wealth of tape > > experience with other formats. > > > > Regards, > > Doug Stringer > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: David A. Chapa [mailto:david@datastaff.com] > > Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:05 PM > > To: Moshe Linzer > > Cc: Collie, Michael; Steve Vawter; ryanb(a)enteract.com; > > toasters(a)mathworks.com > > Subject: Re: LTO support? > > > > > > LTO has been talked about for the last 18 months > rather > > aggressively, I'm surprised as well. > > > > Quoting Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com>: > > > > > Actually, after a closer look it appears that the > IBM > > library is an OEM of > > > the > > > ADIC Scalar 100. There are quite a few vendors > > selling (& shipping?) LTO > > > gear, > > > and with all the hype, I find it hard to believe > that > > NetApp doesn't know > > > about > > > it! As is apparant from this list, NetApp users are > > hungry for more > > > powerful > > > backup solutions, and the fact that there won't be > an > > OnTap LTO driver > > > available until a year after the official release of > > the technology is > > > incredible! > > > > > > Moshe > > > > > > "Collie, Michael" wrote: > > > > > > > >From your mail, some library vendors are > > apparently advance in having > > > LTO > > > > solutions. We will raise this, as a question to > > some of the first tier > > > > library vendors that we are partnering with that > > doesn't yet have LTO > > > > solutions. > > > > > > > > Thanks for the information. > > > > > > > > Michael. > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > From: Moshe Linzer [mailto:Moshe.Linzer@nsc.com] > > > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:40 PM > > > > To: Steve Vawter > > > > Cc: Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com; ryanb(a)enteract.com; > > toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > > Subject: Re: LTO support? > > > > > > > > IBM is offering 2 library models with up to 6 > > Ultrium drives. Qualstar > > > also > > > > has a > > > > few models available with LTO. > > > > > > > > Moshe > > > > > > > > Steve Vawter wrote: > > > > > > > > > I already have 1 vendor willing to admit that > > they have a library > > > > > that can either be pure LTO or else 1/2 LTO, 1/2 > > SDLT (heding their > > > > > bets). I believe that they are actually already > > taking orders and > > > > > supposedly shipping these units. > > > > > > > > > > In no way should you take this as a testimonial, > > but here is the info: > > > > > Overland Data > > > > > www.overlanddata.com > > > > > > > > > > Steve Vawter voice: 408-490-5310 fax: > 408- > > 490-8615 > > > > > Staff UNIX Systems Administrator > > Steve.Vawter(a)C-Cube.COM > > > > > > > > > > --> > > > > > --> From Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com Mon Mar 12 > > 15:06:31 2001 > > > > > --> From: "Collie, Michael" > > <Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com> > > > > > --> To: Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com> > > > > > --> Cc: "'ryanb'" <ryanb(a)enteract.com>, > > toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > > > --> Subject: RE: LTO support? > > > > > --> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service > (5.5.2653.19) > > > > > --> > > > > > --> Moshe, > > > > > --> > > > > > --> The LTO technology promises performance of > up > > to 30Mb/s with 2:1 > > > > > --> compression. This performance far exceeds > > DLTs, SDLT, ATI-2 and > > > 9840s. > > > > The > > > > > --> form factor for LTO (Ultrium) is different > > for today's tape drives. > > > > > --> > > > > > --> It may be some time before library vendors > > integrate the LTO > > > > technology into > > > > > --> their products. NetApp support for LTO is > > slated for 4th quarter of > > > > 2001. > > > > > --> > > > > > --> > > > > > --> ---Original Message----- > > > > > --> From: ryanb [mailto:ryanb@enteract.com] > > > > > --> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:58 PM > > > > > --> To: Moshe Linzer > > > > > --> Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > > > --> Subject: Re: LTO support? > > > > > --> > > > > > --> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:17:57PM +0200, > > Moshe Linzer wrote: > > > > > --> > Does anyone know when LTO will be > supported > > on the filer? I have > > > > two > > > > > --> > 760's, and we are shopping around for a > > backup library. I am > > > > hesitant > > > > > --> > to go with LTO at this point, but > > management likes the numbers. > > > Can > > > > > --> > anyone share experience or opinions on LTO > > drives or libraries? > > > > > --> > > > > > --> Most LTO equipment is identical to DLT > > equipment, only with a > > > > different > > > > > --> tape drive. In this respect, the LTO drives > > will perform > > > identically, > > > > or > > > > > --> so I'd like to think. ;) Please let me > know > > if I'm wrong here. > > > > > --> > > > > > --> - ryan > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> > > David A. Chapa > > Consulting Manager > > DataStaff, Inc. > > 847 413 1144 > > http://www.consulting.datastaff.com > > --------------------------------------- > > NBU-LSERV(a)datastaff.com - Adv. Scripting > > > > >

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FS: F760's; F840
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

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RE: LTO support?
by Stringer, Douglas 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

David: Yes, we've heard of it, and LTO as a supported tape format is on our roadmap. Please bear with me on this as I want to weed through the 'talk' and the 'hype' that jumps out at me in the below messages. Data protection and restorability is very serious business, not glamorous, not sexy, but pretty darn important if a company's business depends on it. Our goal here is to bring to our installed and new customer base a standard of 'proven' reliability in maintaining data integrity so that operations in workgroups-to-enterprise level environments go on as expected. With that in mind, field reliability and data to prove it out are top on the list of priorities for our certified solutions. Coming from a tape drive manufacturing area myself, I know that introduction (i.e. shipping vs. development and marketing) of a new tape format follows a fairly slow curve during the first two years before market/customer acceptance kicks in. LTO, as well as SDLT, will get there probably sooner due to both coming from the 'linear tape format' world and all manufacturers have a wealth of tape experience with other formats. Regards, Doug Stringer -----Original Message----- From: David A. Chapa [mailto:david@datastaff.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:05 PM To: Moshe Linzer Cc: Collie, Michael; Steve Vawter; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: LTO support? LTO has been talked about for the last 18 months rather aggressively, I'm surprised as well. Quoting Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com>: > Actually, after a closer look it appears that the IBM library is an OEM of > the > ADIC Scalar 100. There are quite a few vendors selling (& shipping?) LTO > gear, > and with all the hype, I find it hard to believe that NetApp doesn't know > about > it! As is apparant from this list, NetApp users are hungry for more > powerful > backup solutions, and the fact that there won't be an OnTap LTO driver > available until a year after the official release of the technology is > incredible! > > Moshe > > "Collie, Michael" wrote: > > > >From your mail, some library vendors are apparently advance in having > LTO > > solutions. We will raise this, as a question to some of the first tier > > library vendors that we are partnering with that doesn't yet have LTO > > solutions. > > > > Thanks for the information. > > > > Michael. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Moshe Linzer [mailto:Moshe.Linzer@nsc.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:40 PM > > To: Steve Vawter > > Cc: Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com > > Subject: Re: LTO support? > > > > IBM is offering 2 library models with up to 6 Ultrium drives. Qualstar > also > > has a > > few models available with LTO. > > > > Moshe > > > > Steve Vawter wrote: > > > > > I already have 1 vendor willing to admit that they have a library > > > that can either be pure LTO or else 1/2 LTO, 1/2 SDLT (heding their > > > bets). I believe that they are actually already taking orders and > > > supposedly shipping these units. > > > > > > In no way should you take this as a testimonial, but here is the info: > > > Overland Data > > > www.overlanddata.com > > > > > > Steve Vawter voice: 408-490-5310 fax: 408- 490-8615 > > > Staff UNIX Systems Administrator Steve.Vawter(a)C-Cube.COM > > > > > > --> > > > --> From Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com Mon Mar 12 15:06:31 2001 > > > --> From: "Collie, Michael" <Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com> > > > --> To: Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com> > > > --> Cc: "'ryanb'" <ryanb(a)enteract.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > --> Subject: RE: LTO support? > > > --> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > > > --> > > > --> Moshe, > > > --> > > > --> The LTO technology promises performance of up to 30Mb/s with 2:1 > > > --> compression. This performance far exceeds DLTs, SDLT, ATI-2 and > 9840s. > > The > > > --> form factor for LTO (Ultrium) is different for today's tape drives. > > > --> > > > --> It may be some time before library vendors integrate the LTO > > technology into > > > --> their products. NetApp support for LTO is slated for 4th quarter of > > 2001. > > > --> > > > --> > > > --> ---Original Message----- > > > --> From: ryanb [mailto:ryanb@enteract.com] > > > --> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:58 PM > > > --> To: Moshe Linzer > > > --> Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > --> Subject: Re: LTO support? > > > --> > > > --> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:17:57PM +0200, Moshe Linzer wrote: > > > --> > Does anyone know when LTO will be supported on the filer? I have > > two > > > --> > 760's, and we are shopping around for a backup library. I am > > hesitant > > > --> > to go with LTO at this point, but management likes the numbers. > Can > > > --> > anyone share experience or opinions on LTO drives or libraries? > > > --> > > > --> Most LTO equipment is identical to DLT equipment, only with a > > different > > > --> tape drive. In this respect, the LTO drives will perform > identically, > > or > > > --> so I'd like to think. ;) Please let me know if I'm wrong here. > > > --> > > > --> - ryan > > > --> > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> David A. Chapa Consulting Manager DataStaff, Inc. 847 413 1144 http://www.consulting.datastaff.com --------------------------------------- NBU-LSERV(a)datastaff.com - Adv. Scripting

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RE: LTO support?
by Alvarado, Michael 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

Yes LTO has been discussed extensively but all of the potential LTO suppliers have been unable to supply NetApp with any LTO devices and the SCSI device driver cannot be written without a drive. IBM prioritized other vendors ahead of NetApp. Here is where it is helpful to the end use customers make clear to suppliers that NetApp support is strategic and important. -----Original Message----- From: David A. Chapa [mailto:david@datastaff.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 1:05 PM To: Moshe Linzer Cc: Collie, Michael; Steve Vawter; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: LTO support? LTO has been talked about for the last 18 months rather aggressively, I'm surprised as well. Quoting Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com>: > Actually, after a closer look it appears that the IBM library is an OEM of > the > ADIC Scalar 100. There are quite a few vendors selling (& shipping?) LTO > gear, > and with all the hype, I find it hard to believe that NetApp doesn't know > about > it! As is apparant from this list, NetApp users are hungry for more > powerful > backup solutions, and the fact that there won't be an OnTap LTO driver > available until a year after the official release of the technology is > incredible! > > Moshe > > "Collie, Michael" wrote: > > > >From your mail, some library vendors are apparently advance in having > LTO > > solutions. We will raise this, as a question to some of the first tier > > library vendors that we are partnering with that doesn't yet have LTO > > solutions. > > > > Thanks for the information. > > > > Michael. > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Moshe Linzer [mailto:Moshe.Linzer@nsc.com] > > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:40 PM > > To: Steve Vawter > > Cc: Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com > > Subject: Re: LTO support? > > > > IBM is offering 2 library models with up to 6 Ultrium drives. Qualstar > also > > has a > > few models available with LTO. > > > > Moshe > > > > Steve Vawter wrote: > > > > > I already have 1 vendor willing to admit that they have a library > > > that can either be pure LTO or else 1/2 LTO, 1/2 SDLT (heding their > > > bets). I believe that they are actually already taking orders and > > > supposedly shipping these units. > > > > > > In no way should you take this as a testimonial, but here is the info: > > > Overland Data > > > www.overlanddata.com > > > > > > Steve Vawter voice: 408-490-5310 fax: 408- 490-8615 > > > Staff UNIX Systems Administrator Steve.Vawter(a)C-Cube.COM > > > > > > --> > > > --> From Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com Mon Mar 12 15:06:31 2001 > > > --> From: "Collie, Michael" <Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com> > > > --> To: Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com> > > > --> Cc: "'ryanb'" <ryanb(a)enteract.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > --> Subject: RE: LTO support? > > > --> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > > > --> > > > --> Moshe, > > > --> > > > --> The LTO technology promises performance of up to 30Mb/s with 2:1 > > > --> compression. This performance far exceeds DLTs, SDLT, ATI-2 and > 9840s. > > The > > > --> form factor for LTO (Ultrium) is different for today's tape drives. > > > --> > > > --> It may be some time before library vendors integrate the LTO > > technology into > > > --> their products. NetApp support for LTO is slated for 4th quarter of > > 2001. > > > --> > > > --> > > > --> ---Original Message----- > > > --> From: ryanb [mailto:ryanb@enteract.com] > > > --> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:58 PM > > > --> To: Moshe Linzer > > > --> Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > --> Subject: Re: LTO support? > > > --> > > > --> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:17:57PM +0200, Moshe Linzer wrote: > > > --> > Does anyone know when LTO will be supported on the filer? I have > > two > > > --> > 760's, and we are shopping around for a backup library. I am > > hesitant > > > --> > to go with LTO at this point, but management likes the numbers. > Can > > > --> > anyone share experience or opinions on LTO drives or libraries? > > > --> > > > --> Most LTO equipment is identical to DLT equipment, only with a > > different > > > --> tape drive. In this respect, the LTO drives will perform > identically, > > or > > > --> so I'd like to think. ;) Please let me know if I'm wrong here. > > > --> > > > --> - ryan > > > --> > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><> David A. Chapa Consulting Manager DataStaff, Inc. 847 413 1144 http://www.consulting.datastaff.com --------------------------------------- NBU-LSERV(a)datastaff.com - Adv. Scripting

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RE: LTO support?
by Alvarado, Michael 15 Mar '01

15 Mar '01

This device could be offered sooner if the library vendors selling LTO were to introduce libraries with a GbE interface and an embedded NDMP server like ATL Products has announced and which several other library vendors are planning to announce. http://www.atlp.com/products/osn/index.html -----Original Message----- From: Moshe Linzer [mailto:Moshe.Linzer@nsc.com] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 9:21 AM To: Collie, Michael Cc: Steve Vawter; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: LTO support? Actually, after a closer look it appears that the IBM library is an OEM of the ADIC Scalar 100. There are quite a few vendors selling (& shipping?) LTO gear, and with all the hype, I find it hard to believe that NetApp doesn't know about it! As is apparant from this list, NetApp users are hungry for more powerful backup solutions, and the fact that there won't be an OnTap LTO driver available until a year after the official release of the technology is incredible! Moshe "Collie, Michael" wrote: > >From your mail, some library vendors are apparently advance in having LTO > solutions. We will raise this, as a question to some of the first tier > library vendors that we are partnering with that doesn't yet have LTO > solutions. > > Thanks for the information. > > Michael. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Moshe Linzer [mailto:Moshe.Linzer@nsc.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:40 PM > To: Steve Vawter > Cc: Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: LTO support? > > IBM is offering 2 library models with up to 6 Ultrium drives. Qualstar also > has a > few models available with LTO. > > Moshe > > Steve Vawter wrote: > > > I already have 1 vendor willing to admit that they have a library > > that can either be pure LTO or else 1/2 LTO, 1/2 SDLT (heding their > > bets). I believe that they are actually already taking orders and > > supposedly shipping these units. > > > > In no way should you take this as a testimonial, but here is the info: > > Overland Data > > www.overlanddata.com > > > > Steve Vawter voice: 408-490-5310 fax: 408-490-8615 > > Staff UNIX Systems Administrator Steve.Vawter(a)C-Cube.COM > > > > --> > > --> From Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com Mon Mar 12 15:06:31 2001 > > --> From: "Collie, Michael" <Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com> > > --> To: Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com> > > --> Cc: "'ryanb'" <ryanb(a)enteract.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com > > --> Subject: RE: LTO support? > > --> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > > --> > > --> Moshe, > > --> > > --> The LTO technology promises performance of up to 30Mb/s with 2:1 > > --> compression. This performance far exceeds DLTs, SDLT, ATI-2 and 9840s. > The > > --> form factor for LTO (Ultrium) is different for today's tape drives. > > --> > > --> It may be some time before library vendors integrate the LTO > technology into > > --> their products. NetApp support for LTO is slated for 4th quarter of > 2001. > > --> > > --> > > --> ---Original Message----- > > --> From: ryanb [mailto:ryanb@enteract.com] > > --> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:58 PM > > --> To: Moshe Linzer > > --> Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > > --> Subject: Re: LTO support? > > --> > > --> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:17:57PM +0200, Moshe Linzer wrote: > > --> > Does anyone know when LTO will be supported on the filer? I have > two > > --> > 760's, and we are shopping around for a backup library. I am > hesitant > > --> > to go with LTO at this point, but management likes the numbers. Can > > --> > anyone share experience or opinions on LTO drives or libraries? > > --> > > --> Most LTO equipment is identical to DLT equipment, only with a > different > > --> tape drive. In this respect, the LTO drives will perform identically, > or > > --> so I'd like to think. ;) Please let me know if I'm wrong here. > > --> > > --> - ryan > > -->

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RE: getting dump messages into messages file
by Itzik Meirson D.Sc. 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

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RE: LTO support?
by Collie, Michael 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

>From your mail, some library vendors are apparently advance in having LTO solutions. We will raise this, as a question to some of the first tier library vendors that we are partnering with that doesn't yet have LTO solutions. Thanks for the information. Michael. -----Original Message----- From: Moshe Linzer [mailto:Moshe.Linzer@nsc.com] Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 11:40 PM To: Steve Vawter Cc: Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com; ryanb(a)enteract.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: LTO support? IBM is offering 2 library models with up to 6 Ultrium drives. Qualstar also has a few models available with LTO. Moshe Steve Vawter wrote: > I already have 1 vendor willing to admit that they have a library > that can either be pure LTO or else 1/2 LTO, 1/2 SDLT (heding their > bets). I believe that they are actually already taking orders and > supposedly shipping these units. > > In no way should you take this as a testimonial, but here is the info: > Overland Data > www.overlanddata.com > > Steve Vawter voice: 408-490-5310 fax: 408-490-8615 > Staff UNIX Systems Administrator Steve.Vawter(a)C-Cube.COM > > --> > --> From Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com Mon Mar 12 15:06:31 2001 > --> From: "Collie, Michael" <Michael.Collie(a)netapp.com> > --> To: Moshe Linzer <Moshe.Linzer(a)nsc.com> > --> Cc: "'ryanb'" <ryanb(a)enteract.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com > --> Subject: RE: LTO support? > --> X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) > --> > --> Moshe, > --> > --> The LTO technology promises performance of up to 30Mb/s with 2:1 > --> compression. This performance far exceeds DLTs, SDLT, ATI-2 and 9840s. The > --> form factor for LTO (Ultrium) is different for today's tape drives. > --> > --> It may be some time before library vendors integrate the LTO technology into > --> their products. NetApp support for LTO is slated for 4th quarter of 2001. > --> > --> > --> ---Original Message----- > --> From: ryanb [mailto:ryanb@enteract.com] > --> Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:58 PM > --> To: Moshe Linzer > --> Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > --> Subject: Re: LTO support? > --> > --> On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:17:57PM +0200, Moshe Linzer wrote: > --> > Does anyone know when LTO will be supported on the filer? I have two > --> > 760's, and we are shopping around for a backup library. I am hesitant > --> > to go with LTO at this point, but management likes the numbers. Can > --> > anyone share experience or opinions on LTO drives or libraries? > --> > --> Most LTO equipment is identical to DLT equipment, only with a different > --> tape drive. In this respect, the LTO drives will perform identically, or > --> so I'd like to think. ;) Please let me know if I'm wrong here. > --> > --> - ryan > --> -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- - Moshe Linzer | On the Internet, Unix Systems Manager | National Semiconductor, Israel | nobody knows you're a moron. Phone: 972-9-970-2247 | Fax: 972-9-970-2001 | - Network Magazine Email: moshel(a)nsc.com | ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- -

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non-LVD Differential SCSI card for F7xx
by Rob Windsor 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

We've been told buy our sales rep that NetApp doesn't sell non-LVD PCI Differential-SCSI cards. Is this true? If so, it is *really* going to cramp our style. :P Rob++ ---------------------------------------- Rob Windsor E-Mail - mailto:rob_windsor@adc.com Senior Unix Systems Administrator Voice - phone:972-680-6919 Computer Services Fax - phone:972-680-0370 Broadband Access and Transport Group __o ADC Telecommunications _`\<,_ Richardson, TX 75082 (_)/ (_)

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RE: Tape autoloader with F760
by Cormier, Darleen 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

There is no command to rescan the SCSI bus, so yes, you will have to reboot the filer. Please be sure that the drives in the library are supported in the version of DataONTAP you are using. -----Original Message----- From: netapp-list [mailto:netapp-list@tiscali.be] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2001 8:37 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Tape autoloader with F760 Hi all, I would like to use a Hexabyte 17D autoloader on F760 Cluster, but I don't know how to make it detected by the filer. Is there a command to rescan the SCSI bus or does I've to reboot the filer ? Thanks.

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Tape autoloader with F760
by netapp-list 14 Mar '01

14 Mar '01

Hi all, I would like to use a Hexabyte 17D autoloader on F760 Cluster, but I don't know how to make it detected by the filer. Is there a command to rescan the SCSI bus or does I've to reboot the filer ? Thanks.

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NFS version 4
by Chris Thompson 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

Now that NFS version 4 has got as far as a complete specification in an RFC (RFC 3010, December 2000), would it be too much like tweaking the Devil's tail to inquire about NetApp's plans with respect to it? I can't find anything on NOW, but perhaps I shouldn't expect to... Of course, we are probably still years away from usable client implementations. Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1(a)ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom.

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RE: Multiple Oracle DBs on a filer
by George Kahler 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

I would like to express my thanks to all of the people that have responded to my Oracle query and have showed me the way ... :-) I was not aware of the Oracle SID which makes things much more easier to implement. As many of you mentioned it looks like I only need one oracle account on each server I want Oracle to run on and then 'share' this account amongst all of the database instances setting the proper environment based on the SID. Many thanks, George

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Legato/NetApp/NDMP/restore woes
by jlbreyfo＠collins.rockwell.com 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

Toasters, I'm new to the group and don't know about archives and such. Please excuse if this is an old question. Is anybody backing up using Legato 6.0.1 patch 1 (approx. 300GB vols) and ndmp. I have sporadic problems backing up, actually finishing the index - backup works fine; and also have problems restoring files, i.e. I have to relocate a selected file with a path like: filername::/vol/user1/username/restored/. Seems a bit hokey to me and I get no good info from Legato. I would love to discuss my problems and your solutions. Thanks in advance John Breyfogle Unix Admin Rockwell-Collins jlbreyfo(a)collins.rockwell.com

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RE: F740 with F760 spare
by Clawson, Simon 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

I am told that the footprint is different. This stops resourceful people buying a 760 spares kit and upgrading thier cheaper 740. But I am not sure about any of the other parts. I had a Unisys engineer here once who fitted 700 series Eth. Adpators to a 500..it did'nt work, but the machine did'nt blow up either ;-) Simon > -----Original Message----- > From: max chan [mailto:maxchan0@yahoo.com] > Sent: Tuesday March 2001 03:34 > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: F740 with F760 spare > > > Did anyone try to put F760 spare in F740? > > Max > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Auctions - Buy the things you want at great prices. > http://auctions.yahoo.com/ >

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RE: LTO support?
by Joe Luchtenberg 13 Mar '01

13 Mar '01

I think what Ryan was referring to was much more superficial than you are describing. And I've heard the same thing -- i.e. LTO2 and DLT drives share the same form factor, drive cages, cabling/ports, media form factor, etc. All in pointed contrast to AIT2. Although not as significant as MTBF or product maturity, these are nonetheless not trivial issues. Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. New number and email, please update: 757.858.0600 858.0606 fax joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Stringer, Douglas [SMTP:Douglas.Stringer@netapp.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 5:27 PM > To: 'ryanb'; Moshe Linzer > Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: RE: LTO support? > > Don't let the LTO manufactures hear you say that. > With different driver support, media, ISV certification requirements and > specifications that are anything but similar to DLT, the only common item > these formats share is that they are 'linear' tape formats. > > NetApp will be supporting LTO in the late summer/early fall timeframe. > > Regards, > Doug Stringer > > -----Original Message----- > From: ryanb [mailto:ryanb@enteract.com] > Sent: Monday, March 12, 2001 12:58 PM > To: Moshe Linzer > Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: LTO support? > > > On Mon, Mar 12, 2001 at 09:17:57PM +0200, Moshe Linzer wrote: > > Does anyone know when LTO will be supported on the filer? I have two > > 760's, and we are shopping around for a backup library. I am hesitant > > to go with LTO at this point, but management likes the numbers. Can > > anyone share experience or opinions on LTO drives or libraries? > > Most LTO equipment is identical to DLT equipment, only with a different > tape drive. In this respect, the LTO drives will perform identically, or > so I'd like to think. ;) Please let me know if I'm wrong here. > > - ryan

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