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RE: Remote Dump error
by Cormier, Darleen 04 Apr '01

04 Apr '01

Yeh, yeh, I blew it, should have had a cup of coffee before I answered that. Sorry all -----Original Message----- From: Colm Buckley [mailto:colm@tuatha.org] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 10:02 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Remote Dump error > == Darleen Cormier <Darleen.Cormier(a)netapp.com> > The dump utility on a NetApp filer can only move data to a tape > drive which is directly attached to a filer. It can not move data to > a tape d rive which is attached to a Sun server. What? It works fine here - all you need is to have the remote shell daemon (rshd) running on the Sun box, with the NetApp filer allowed to run commands as root ("netapp.network root" in root's .rhosts file). Alternatively, you could do something like: rsh netapp dump 0u / > /dev/rmt/0 - the output of the netapp's 'dump' command will be sent to standard output, which goes to the tape drive. Note that you won't be able to run multi-tape dumps like this. Colm -- Colm Buckley, NewWorld Commerce, 16 South Cumberland St., Dublin 2, Ireland. Personal: +353 87 2469146 / colm(a)tuatha.org / http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ Business: +353 1 4334334 / colm(a)nwcgroup.com / http://www.nwcgroup.com/ Indecision is the key to flexibility.

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Inodes a go go
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Okay, so the maximum number of inodes is 95% of the true (not usable) size of a volume divided by four. And if you're daring enough to type this into your filer, it will tell you that anyway: usvasvfile-001> maxfiles inquisition 50000000000000000 Max inode count cannot exceed 201249946 Now here's the problem. I just passed this information on to the developers who wrote the program that uses up this exceedingly ridiculous number of inodes, and they tell me that they are going to start using them up even faster than in the past, and we may run out within six months, and is there anything we can do to get more inodes? I suggested they re-write their program to not generate tens of thousands of directories every day, but I don't know how well that will fly. Can anyone think of a way to get more inodes? NetApp folks, any hope a RFE for a higher inode limit would go through? Thanks, Tom As our developer says: -----Original Message----- From: Joseph Manak Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 1:56 PM To: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau Subject: RE: We will endeavor to pursue an inode conservation program.... However it is not obvious how to do this w/o rewriting all of our reporting software... - J

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RE: Remote Dump error
by Cormier, Darleen 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Hi Kunihiko, The dump utility on a NetApp filer can only move data to a tape drive which is directly attached to a filer. It can not move data to a tape drive which is attached to a Sun server. If you wish to leave the tape drive attached to your Sun 450, you will need to buy a software package which can control that. Some of the backup packages which will allow you to move data from the filer, to the tape drive attached to the Sun are : WorkStation Solutions- Quick Restore v2.7; Syncsort - Backup Express v2.1.3; Bakbone - Netvault 6.03; Legato- Networker 6.0.1 with SnapImage v1.5. I hope this answers your questions -----Original Message----- From: Kunihiko.Motoyoshi [mailto:Kunihiko.Motoyoshi@ctc-g.co.jp] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 11:11 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Cc: strg(a)ts.ctct.ctc-g.co.jp Subject: Remote Dump error Hi all, In first, Sorry to I am poor at English. One of our custmer use F720 running with ONTAP5.3.2D4. They tried to backup to DLT7000 it connected to Sun by remote dump command. However,Dump dose not work with few messsages from NetApp. DLT7000 dose work locally by ufsdump command. Please let me know, any infomations. More details as following: Environments: NetApp F720 running ONTAP5.3.2D4 E450(SUN) with Solaris2.6 or 7 DLT7000 connected to E450 Symptoms: on NetApp console: NetApp> dump 0fub E450:/dev/rmt/0 63 /home E450: premature EOF DUMP: Remote tape cannot be initialized. DUMP: DUMP IS ABORTED rsh from E450: E450# rsh NetApp dump 0fub E450:/dev/rmt/0 63 /home E450: premature EOF DUMP: Remote tape cannot be initialized. DUMP: DUMP IS ABORTED result of mt command E450# mt -f /dev/rmt/0 status Sun DLT7000 tape drive: sense key(0x0)= No Additional Sense residual= 0 retries= 0 file no= 0 block no= 0 Thanks in advance. -pon -- Kunihiko Motoyoshi Phone:+81-3-3649-4937 / Fax:+81-3-3649-6425 Storage Group / Technical Support Dept. CTC Technology

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RE: Filer Serial Connectivity
by Mike Sphar 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Actually, is there any reason you *couldn't* hook a modem up to the console port? I used to hook modems up to the console ports of old UNIX systems all the time in my early days of tech support. The console port is just a serial port, and the modem is just a serial interface device. I don't see why you couldn't hook a modem up to a console port and as long as you got the cabling right and configured the modem right it should work. Though personally if I were going to go through this sort of work I would likely hook the modem up to a separate terminal server or a machine running conserver. -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Services - Remedy Corporation BOFH, GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD -----Original Message----- From: Paul Brosseau [mailto:paulb@netapp.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 6:42 AM To: geen(a)ti.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Filer Serial Connectivity As for the dial-in thing, That is the old way of doing things. Today you want to leverage your network to do things. I think that filers should have an option to hook a modem directly up to the console port, but the usefulness of such a feature is pretty limited. The product design is network centric. In the old days the network used to be unreliable. Today's switched netwoorks are probably the mostreliable part of the computing infrastructure. Except of course for your filers ;-)

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Re: Remote Dump error
by Colm Buckley 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

> == Darleen Cormier <Darleen.Cormier(a)netapp.com> > The dump utility on a NetApp filer can only move data to a tape > drive which is directly attached to a filer. It can not move data to > a tape d rive which is attached to a Sun server. What? It works fine here - all you need is to have the remote shell daemon (rshd) running on the Sun box, with the NetApp filer allowed to run commands as root ("netapp.network root" in root's .rhosts file). Alternatively, you could do something like: rsh netapp dump 0u / > /dev/rmt/0 - the output of the netapp's 'dump' command will be sent to standard output, which goes to the tape drive. Note that you won't be able to run multi-tape dumps like this. Colm -- Colm Buckley, NewWorld Commerce, 16 South Cumberland St., Dublin 2, Ireland. Personal: +353 87 2469146 / colm(a)tuatha.org / http://www.tuatha.org/~colm/ Business: +353 1 4334334 / colm(a)nwcgroup.com / http://www.nwcgroup.com/ Indecision is the key to flexibility.

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RE: Filer Serial Connectivity
by Fox, Adam 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

> My one gripe about filers in this regard is that it's not possible > to manipulate the power supply remotely. All of our other servers > (HP 9000s and Netservers) allow me to literally power them down and > bring them back up again. Very handy in the unlikely event of the > machine completely locking up. One thing we do here locally is we purchased IP addressable power strips. Most of the major power guys sell them these days and that allows us to power cycle and filer head, shelf, switch, whatever regardless of whether the box head, shelf, etc. has the capability. I'll feed back this feedback into the remote supportability group. I'm sure they are already thinking about it, but it never hurts. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com

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RE: Win2k and the Filer
by Muhlestein, Mark 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

We don't currently support the Windows File Replication Service RPCs, but if all the servers in question are filers you should be able to achieve the same effect using DFS + SnapMirror. Mark Muhlestein -- CIFS engineering -----Original Message----- From: Morgan, Joshua [mailto:JMorgan@nuvox.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:54 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com; 'Morgione, Christopher'; 'Keith Brown'; 'Fox, Adam' Subject: RE: Win2k and the Filer Here is why I am asking DFS in Windows 2000 and Automatic replication Per Microsoft's Doc's you have to be running NTFS 5 on the DFS link for Automatic replication Basically we have a Pair of 760's that I would like to point some DFS links at, and have them replicate to remote sights during off hours. -----Original Message----- From: Morgan, Joshua [mailto:JMorgan@nuvox.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 5:18 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Win2k and the Filer Any word on when the filer will support NTFS 5? Joshua Morgan

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RE: Win2k and the Filer
by Yoder, Alan 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Sorry, I misunderstood. NTFS is Microsoft's proprietary filesystem. NetApp has no plans to replicate it. We do have an add-on product called SnapMirror(tm) which I think might do what you want. Your sales rep should be able to help you with this. I'm not an NDMP dude, so I don't know, but perhaps others on this list can tell you whether scripts and ndmpcopy are also an alternative. Alan =============================================================== Alan G. Yoder agy(a)netapp.com Network Appliance, Inc. Sunnyvale, CA 408-822-6919 =============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Morgan, Joshua [mailto:JMorgan@nuvox.com] Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2001 5:54 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com; 'Morgione, Christopher'; 'Keith Brown'; 'Fox, Adam' Subject: RE: Win2k and the Filer Here is why I am asking DFS in Windows 2000 and Automatic replication Per Microsoft's Doc's you have to be running NTFS 5 on the DFS link for Automatic replication Basically we have a Pair of 760's that I would like to point some DFS links at, and have them replicate to remote sights during off hours. -----Original Message----- From: Morgan, Joshua [mailto:JMorgan@nuvox.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 5:18 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Win2k and the Filer Any word on when the filer will support NTFS 5? Joshua Morgan

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Maximum number of inodes
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Hi, I know filers by default won't get a volume more than, say, 33 million inodes, and that the general formula for determining the number of inodes is (volume size in kilobytes) / 32 kb = #of inodes. But, does anyone know if there is a maximum number of inodes? Does anyone out there have volumes with over 200 million inodes and have you seen any issues with those types of volumes? We've got an application that's generating about 5-10 million inodes a month (don't ask) and I'm concerned about that. Will this be a problem? Thanks! Tom

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Re: Filer Serial Connectivity
by Rune Bakken 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Marion Hakanson <hakanson(a)cse.ogi.edu> writes: > We use "conserver" on Solaris-2.6 (SPARC Classic :-) with a Central Data > SCSI Terminal Server (now Digi Corporation). The hardware is described at: > > http://www.digi.com/solutions/termsrv/scsitermsrv.shtml Or the Etherlite console server from the same company: http://www.digi.com/solutions/termsrv/etherlite.shtml >>>>>>>>>>.rune -- Rune Bakken "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. System Administrator When they wake up in the morning, that's as Nextra, good as they're going to feel all day." - Telenor Company - Frank Sinatra

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RE: Win2k and the Filer
by Morgan, Joshua 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Here is why I am asking DFS in Windows 2000 and Automatic replication Per Microsoft's Doc's you have to be running NTFS 5 on the DFS link for Automatic replication Basically we have a Pair of 760's that I would like to point some DFS links at, and have them replicate to remote sights during off hours. -----Original Message----- From: Morgan, Joshua [mailto:JMorgan@nuvox.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 5:18 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Win2k and the Filer Any word on when the filer will support NTFS 5? Joshua Morgan

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Remote Dump error
by Kunihiko.Motoyoshi 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Hi all, In first, Sorry to I am poor at English. One of our custmer use F720 running with ONTAP5.3.2D4. They tried to backup to DLT7000 it connected to Sun by remote dump command. However,Dump dose not work with few messsages from NetApp. DLT7000 dose work locally by ufsdump command. Please let me know, any infomations. More details as following: Environments: NetApp F720 running ONTAP5.3.2D4 E450(SUN) with Solaris2.6 or 7 DLT7000 connected to E450 Symptoms: on NetApp console: NetApp> dump 0fub E450:/dev/rmt/0 63 /home E450: premature EOF DUMP: Remote tape cannot be initialized. DUMP: DUMP IS ABORTED rsh from E450: E450# rsh NetApp dump 0fub E450:/dev/rmt/0 63 /home E450: premature EOF DUMP: Remote tape cannot be initialized. DUMP: DUMP IS ABORTED result of mt command E450# mt -f /dev/rmt/0 status Sun DLT7000 tape drive: sense key(0x0)= No Additional Sense residual= 0 retries= 0 file no= 0 block no= 0 Thanks in advance. -pon -- Kunihiko Motoyoshi Phone:+81-3-3649-4937 / Fax:+81-3-3649-6425 Storage Group / Technical Support Dept. CTC Technology

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RE: Filer Serial Connectivity
by Klinkner, Steve 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

> -----Original Message----- > From: Mike Sphar [mailto:mikey@Remedy.COM] > Does FilerView really require a Windows box? I'd assumed that the web > interface would work in any java-compliant browser. No, FilerView does not require Windows. Through 5.x FilerView is applet based. It should, as you say, work on any java-compliant browser. In practice it displays somewhat more consistently on Windows boxes (relative to *nix say) due to font mapping issues. Starting in 6.x we've been phasing out some of the applets in favor of HTML and some Javascript. Recent IE and Netscape versions should work ok, though, if not please let us know. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- steve klinkner klink(a)netapp.com

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RE: Filer Serial Connectivity
by Mike Sphar 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

Does FilerView really require a Windows box? I'd assumed that the web interface would work in any java-compliant browser. -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Services - Remedy Corporation BOFH, GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD -----Original Message----- From: fubar(a)pir.net [mailto:fubar@pir.net] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 4:25 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Filer Serial Connectivity >>>>> "skeezics" == Chris Lamb <skeezics(a)measurecast.com> writes: >> Why would you want this type of solution instead of/in addition to >> FilerView? skeezics> Some of us old die-hard command-line guys have never used skeezics> FilerView. I personally think the whole GUI/WWW thing is a skeezics> fad. :-) Nevermind that FilerView isn't going to help much if 1) you're connecting through a dumb terminal over 9600baud modem or 2) need to get to the serial prompt or 3) don't have access to a windoze box. Despite the abundance of Microsoft product, not everyone uses them. skeezics> More importantly, if the network is hosed on a machine the skeezics> serial console is still a way to unwedge things. Upgrading skeezics> IPFilter or SSH or renumbering a machine without a reboot is skeezics> kinda cool - you can "ifconfig down" to your heart's content skeezics> without sawing off the branch you're sitting on. :-) That, too... taking down the interface you're connecting through can make for a long evening. ;-) K.

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Re: Filer Serial Connectivity
by Darrell Fuhriman 03 Apr '01

03 Apr '01

chris(a)webtop.com (Chris Good) writes: > number of the async port. I would live to be able to do VIPs for each > port but AFAIK there isn't a way unless you know different. ATM we ip alias ADDR PORT Darrell

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RE: Win2k and the Filer
by Yoder, Alan 02 Apr '01

02 Apr '01

Data ONTAP 6.1 supports Windows 2000 Authentication via Kerberos, plus the things, such as Share publication and Access Control, that worked under NT 4.0. Alan =============================================================== Alan G. Yoder agy.nospam(a)netapp.com =============================================================== -----Original Message----- From: Morgan, Joshua [mailto:JMorgan@nuvox.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 2:18 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Win2k and the Filer Any word on when the filer will support NTFS 5? Joshua Morgan

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RE: Filer Serial Connectivity
by Mike Sphar 02 Apr '01

02 Apr '01

Well, most PC hardware vendors offer remote access cards of some type. Compaq offers something like that (Remote Insight, I think it's called), for example. I don't admin the windows stuff myself, but that's what our Windows admins use for that sort of thing. Also, it's not out yet, but Raritan's TeleReach box may become very handy for that sort of thing. We currently use Raritan's Paragon switches to get consoles for a large host of platforms: Sun, IBM, HP, SGI, PC, Netapp, etc. It's nice to have a single console switch that controls all of our devices, rather than one device for the UNIX consoles, another device for the PC consoles, etc. My goal is that when an engineer walks into one of our labs, he can sit at any console to control any machine. (It's also nice to access each platform through its native console. Figuring out the serial pinouts for each vendor can be quite the pain.) If the TeleReach service works as advertised, it would make everything on the Paragon switch available over IP. Unfortunately, it sounds like it will utilize a proprietary windows-based client. Also how good the performance is remains to be seen. It's a step in the right direction though, I think. As for FilerView, I use it a lot and like it, but in a serious downtime situation, you may a) have problems with the network in the first place which would make FilerView useless, and b) you're probably in a hurry and while I like Filerview it is a bit slow to load. Certain things are just much faster to do via the console. -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Services - Remedy Corporation BOFH, GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD -----Original Message----- From: Metzinger Zach [mailto:ZMetzinger@WhiteRockNetworks.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 12:24 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Filer Serial Connectivity On Mon, Apr 02, 2001 at 12:01:43PM -0700, Chris Lamb wrote: > Some of us old die-hard command-line guys have never used FilerView. I > personally think the whole GUI/WWW thing is a fad. :-) Hoo Rah. Gotta feel sorry for those Windows admins who actually have to show up in a machine room at 2am to fix something. :) Zach Metzinger UNIX System Administrator White Rock Networks

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Win2k and the Filer
by Morgan, Joshua 02 Apr '01

02 Apr '01

Any word on when the filer will support NTFS 5? Joshua Morgan

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What are these files in /etc/oldmaps?
by Chris Thompson 02 Apr '01

02 Apr '01

We upgraded one of our F740's from 5.3.7R1 to 6.0.1R3 a week ago. It went very smoothly, but there are a few things still puzzling me. Here is one of them... Every time a dump command is run, at completion a new file appears in the filer's /etc, with a name like /etc/oldmaps/bkp/A_home1/3abbe75d | | | \ This is the time(2) of the dump in hex | \ This is the "n" key from the dump command Peeking at /etc/tmp while dump is running, and comparing inode numbers, it seems that these files are what was /etc/tmp/dump_all.bitmap.[n]. (There are several other files in /etc/tmp, but this seems to be the only one that is saved.) Its size appears to be 1 bit per inode in the volume being dumped, plus a little. Are these files going to accumulate for ever? None have disappeared as yet, but maybe they will in due course... And what is their purpose in life? Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1(a)ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom.

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RE: Maximum number of inodes
by Nick Steel 02 Apr '01

02 Apr '01

So far, no problems, but I am not quite at the 200M mark. mailnfs1> maxfiles Volume vol1: maximum number of files is currently 150937460 (38104458 used). Volume vol0: maximum number of files is currently 150937460 (32242112 used). mailnfs1> - Nick Steel Sr Operations Engineer v. 805.418.2248 e. nsteel(a)corp.netzero.net -----Original Message----- From: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau [mailto:MadDog@fool.com] Sent: Monday, April 02, 2001 1:34 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Maximum number of inodes Hi, I know filers by default won't get a volume more than, say, 33 million inodes, and that the general formula for determining the number of inodes is (volume size in kilobytes) / 32 kb = #of inodes. But, does anyone know if there is a maximum number of inodes? Does anyone out there have volumes with over 200 million inodes and have you seen any issues with those types of volumes? We've got an application that's generating about 5-10 million inodes a month (don't ask) and I'm concerned about that. Will this be a problem? Thanks! Tom __________________________________________ NetZero - Defenders of the Free World Get your FREE Internet Access and Email at http://www.netzero.net/download/index.html

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ndmp backup choices
by neil lehrer 02 Apr '01

02 Apr '01

hi, i am testing the current versions of quick restore[2.7.3] from workstation solutions and backup express[2.13c] from syncsort. my ndmp proxy server is a sun box running solaris 2.6 and i have a spectralogic treefrog directly attached to my f760. i would appreciate any comments from anyone who runs either quick restore or backup express on the good and/or bad parts. thanks --

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by X X 02 Apr '01

02 Apr '01

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by ivisales＠the.net.ph 02 Apr '01

02 Apr '01

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RE: Veritas NetBackup + NDMP == Doh!!
by ivisales 02 Apr '01

02 Apr '01

hi guys. Can you help us? My problem is I can not see files/directories to be backup on Network Appliance F760 using Netbackup 3.4GA. I've done already all the basic config on how to configure Nebackup for NDMP. Hoping a solution, arnold kim Arnoldrkim(a)hotmail.com

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Question re: Unisys drives and qual_devices
by Avi Freedman 01 Apr '01

01 Apr '01

Hi... I'm working with a Unisys chassis and some Unisys drives. It recognizes the drives, configures them, compains about "No SCSI-3 Enclosure Services on host adapter 8 shelf 1" (the Unisys shelf). Then it comes up and shuts down. The drives that aren't liked are: 8.11: UNISYS 007114ST39102FC A921 So I added: D UNISYS 007114ST39102FC A921 To the end of my qual_devices, but the filer still shuts down if it sees the drives. Any ideas? Thanks, Avi

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