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Re: How would you respond to this -Reply
by svawter＠c-cube.com 21 Apr '01

21 Apr '01

Hey! You guys got a knife? Geez. We should start up a list of stuff sorted by gee-wow value so that we can each find out where we stand with Net App... So far I have a lovely stainless steel travel coffee mug, a wonderous fold up and zip inside-out tote bag, 1 gorgeous t-shirt and a nice warm and fuzzy sweat shirt (blue). I don't even rate a knife... (then again, can I be trusted with sharp objects? Maybe not...) I have seen a great little multi-tip screw-driver with a built-in pen light that I believe was Net App swag as well... =-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Steve Vawter Steve.Vawter(a)C-Cube.COM Staff UNIX Sys. Adm. voice: 408-490-5310 fax: 603-754-3713 personal email address: leopard(a)Midwinter.COM --> --> From mgx(a)ornl.gov Fri Apr 20 15:18:22 2001 --> From: Michael Galloway <mgx(a)ornl.gov> --> To: Barry Lustig <barry(a)lustig.com> --> Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com --> Subject: Re: How would you respond to this -Reply --> User-Agent: Mutt/1.1.14i --> --> Hi Barry! --> --> heheh ... thats a good one! i still have my trusty netapp swiss army knive --> too, i'd gladly swap it out the jacket! --> --> -- micahel --> --> --> On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Barry Lustig wrote: --> --> > Can we trade in our "multi-protocol" pocket knives for the jacket? :-) --> > --> > barry --> > --> > -->

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RE: Swag
by Art Hebert 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Hey you guys should give netapp a break here. When I started at Arzoon they had already bought 4 netapp filers with a disk shelf each. They paid $626000 total for them. I mean how can you expect Netapp to be handing out shirts, it would kill their profit margin :-) On a side note, anybody buying netapps at auctions? I just saw an F740, 2 disk shelves with 18gb disks and 1 shelf with 36gb disks go for $25000. The guy said something about Netapp was going to charge $50000 to transfer the software license. art -----Original Message----- From: David Schairer [mailto:njal@sw.xo.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 1:48 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Swag Well, it's definitely time to whine at our Netapp guys. We (Concentric) were one of the very first Netapp customers, we've dumped some millions of capital expenditure into NetApp over the years, and I've gotten a total of 1 sweatshirt, one polo, and a pen :) And the sweatshirt was from an unrelated survey promo (nothing to do with us being a customer), and the polo came from one of OUR marketing guys who got it from a promotion. On the flip side, it's a really nice pen -- with the built-in stylus, I use it every day :) Maybe someone should make 'I run a data center on network appliance gear and all I got was this lousy t-shirt' product for this group :) --David Schairer VP/Chief Systems Architect XO Communications, Inc (ex. Concentric) On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 01:33:37PM -0700, Jeffrey Krueger wrote: > I've received a number of e-mails from disgruntled NetApp employee's and > dedicated customers who don't have leather jackets yet. > > Be aware, all the classes I've gone to have only come with the traditional > thin windbreaker, coffee mug, or occasionally a neat-o pen. I did get a > nifty screwdriver when I passed the Certified Administrator exam, but that > took alot of begging on my part. > > Obtaining the covetted leather jacket requires a combination of *years* of > diligently placed hints to one's sales team, lots of positive feedback to > NetApp, and an incredible amount of luck. > > Please don't start wailing on NetApp for leather jackets though. They'll > reposses those of us who have them for creating jealosy and starting a > mutiny. > > Besides, what you really want to work for is the red leather Corvette cover > with the NetApp logo on the "hood" portion. The fur-lining makes it > sporty and luxurious and it even comes with a handsome carrying bag. > > -- Jeff > >

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RE: How would you respond to this -Reply
by Mohler, Jeff 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

I would..if we'd sell one to me. Marketting: Hint..profit center..sell netapp stuffage. Call my extension when yer ready, I'll be first in line! -----Original Message----- From: Stephen Manley [mailto:stephen@netapp.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 12:01 PM To: jkrueger(a)qualcomm.com Cc: nixon(a)softlab.ericsson.se; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: How would you respond to this -Reply > I think I've got everyone on this thread beat. I am the proud owner of a > black leather NetApp jacket. Currently the best vendor swag in my whole > wardrobe. Dude. I work here, and I don't have anything that snazzy. Stephen Manley DAM and NDMP Ragamuffin

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RE: OT - swag
by Palmer, Jason (London) 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

I got the T-Shirt, but it is falling to bits after a year of frequent use... Maybe it would be a good idea to inlcude some kind of merchandise cost in the support contract that is renewed for the hardware. Adding another $10 on would not be noticed at all... I love wearing my T-Shirt to meetings with EMC :p The EMC sales guys don't look very impressed when they see it ! -- Jason -----Original Message----- From: Kitch, David [mailto:dkitch@ti.com] Sent: 20 April 2001 20:21 To: Toaster Mail Exploder Subject: RE: OT - swag They haven't given out jackets in years. The last I heard, it's still a bag or a shirt. -- David -----Original Message----- From: Michael Galloway [mailto:mgx@ornl.gov] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:04 PM To: Toaster Mail Exploder Subject: Re: OT - swag humph! i was just thinking i'd sign up for the two admin classes, but now i'm not so sure. the leather jacket is sweet! -- michael On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Chuck Ross wrote: > > Man, you guys suck! When I went to Net App training all we got was a > travel coffee mug and a really lame tote bag. > > Chuck Ross > > > > > > > > I think I've got everyone on this thread beat. I am the > > proud owner of a > > black leather NetApp jacket. Currently the best vendor swag > > in my whole > > wardrobe. > >

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by Jeffrey R. Thomas,PE 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

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Swag
by Jeffrey Krueger 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

I've received a number of e-mails from disgruntled NetApp employee's and dedicated customers who don't have leather jackets yet. Be aware, all the classes I've gone to have only come with the traditional thin windbreaker, coffee mug, or occasionally a neat-o pen. I did get a nifty screwdriver when I passed the Certified Administrator exam, but that took alot of begging on my part. Obtaining the covetted leather jacket requires a combination of *years* of diligently placed hints to one's sales team, lots of positive feedback to NetApp, and an incredible amount of luck. Please don't start wailing on NetApp for leather jackets though. They'll reposses those of us who have them for creating jealosy and starting a mutiny. Besides, what you really want to work for is the red leather Corvette cover with the NetApp logo on the "hood" portion. The fur-lining makes it sporty and luxurious and it even comes with a handsome carrying bag. -- Jeff

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RE: migrating data between filers
by Fox, Adam 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

One other thing to consider. I forgot about this but it is something to think about. vol copy does a block for block copy of the data. I'm guessing that you probably have 36GB or 72GB disks on your 840 and 4GB disks on your 330. Since the disk geometries are very different, your data on the 840 may be more fragmented (i.e. not in nice stripes) as a result of this block-by-block copy than it was on your 330. This *could* result in non-optimal performance. Now if your data changes frequenly and you have a decent amount of free space on the F840 volume, WAFL will fix this over time and you may not even see it in the first place. But it is something to be aware of. If you are concerned about this issue, you may want to consider moving the data via something like ndmpcopy which will re-stripe your data on the destination side. Again, both methods work. Both have advantadges and disadvantages (for example, vol copy is usually quicker than ndmpcopy in my experience). What's important is that you make an informed decision on which way you go. There isn't necessarily a right or wrong answer here and many folks (customers and NTAP folks alike) have strong views one way or another (kind of like vi vs. emacs). So pick the way that you think works best for you. Both are good. Hope this helps. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Leonard, Roger [mailto:Roger.Leonard@marconi.com] > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 4:38 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: migrating data between filers > > > i am getting ready to migrate some data from 330's to an 840 > using volcopy. > has anyone done this out there and do you have > any recomendations and/or gotchas? >

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RE: OT - swag
by Maglinger, Paul 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Well, I got a travel coffee mug and a half-way decent tote bag that my wife uses more than I do. -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Ross [mailto:chuck.ross@signiant.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 13:24 To: Net App List (E-mail) Subject: OT - swag Man, you guys suck! When I went to Net App training all we got was a travel coffee mug and a really lame tote bag. Chuck Ross > > > I think I've got everyone on this thread beat. I am the > proud owner of a > black leather NetApp jacket. Currently the best vendor swag > in my whole > wardrobe. > > -- Jeff > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:54:44PM +0200, Leif Nixon wrote: > > "Timothy Cook" <TCOOK(a)joy.com> writes: > > > > > Maybe I'm missing out on the really important aspect of netapps??? > > > > > > Other than a jacket I got at Admin training I've never received my > > > new clothing line from Netapp! Is this an optional part of the > > > Support Agreement, or should I start complaining that I'm not > > > receiving the level of support from Netapp that I should be! > > > > Yes, you might want to consider that. > > > > A couple of months ago I added a new 36-gigger to my F720 setup, and > > since I failed to notice the little sticker on the bottom > of the disk > > about supported ONTAP versions, the filer halted and production > > stopped. Ouch. > > > > Not two hours later I received an overseas FedEx package containing > > a NetApp sweater. Now that's service! > > > > -- > > Leif Nixon Sysadm/developer Ericsson SoftLab AB > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > E-mail: nixon(a)softlab.ericsson.se Phone: +46 13 23 57 61 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >

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RE: OT - swag
by Joe Luchtenberg 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Okay, okay. For all you folks who want one, I'll be happy to provide a NetApp leather jacket with the purchase of your next F840 from me! ;-) Wait a minute, I'm only supposed to handle federal government accounts, and I can't legally do that... Doh!!! Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757.858.0600 757.285.1223 (cell) 757.858.0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Martin Hughes [mailto:Martin.Hughes@Halliburton.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 3:17 PM To: 'chuck.ross(a)signiant.com'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: OT - swag I second that one. And we've got the SAM agreement to boot. Hmmmm...... Regards Martin Enterprise Storage/Enterprise Server Group <mailto:martin.hughes@halliburton.com> cellphone: +1 713 303 9214 office: +1 281 871 4124 -------------------------- Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Ross <chuck.ross(a)signiant.com> To: Net App List (E-mail) <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Apr 20 13:24:04 2001 Subject: OT - swag Man, you guys suck! When I went to Net App training all we got was a travel coffee mug and a really lame tote bag. Chuck Ross > > > I think I've got everyone on this thread beat. I am the > proud owner of a > black leather NetApp jacket. Currently the best vendor swag > in my whole > wardrobe. > > -- Jeff > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:54:44PM +0200, Leif Nixon wrote: > > "Timothy Cook" <TCOOK(a)joy.com> writes: > > > > > Maybe I'm missing out on the really important aspect of netapps??? > > > > > > Other than a jacket I got at Admin training I've never received my > > > new clothing line from Netapp! Is this an optional part of the > > > Support Agreement, or should I start complaining that I'm not > > > receiving the level of support from Netapp that I should be! > > > > Yes, you might want to consider that. > > > > A couple of months ago I added a new 36-gigger to my F720 setup, and > > since I failed to notice the little sticker on the bottom > of the disk > > about supported ONTAP versions, the filer halted and production > > stopped. Ouch. > > > > Not two hours later I received an overseas FedEx package containing > > a NetApp sweater. Now that's service! > > > > -- > > Leif Nixon Sysadm/developer Ericsson SoftLab AB > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > E-mail: nixon(a)softlab.ericsson.se Phone: +46 13 23 57 61 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >

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by Larry Goodman 20 Apr '01

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RE: Vif and Cluster setup questions
by Mohler, Jeff 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Also depending on the ONTAP version, it will also make this distinction when it asks you for the parter identity. -----Original Message----- From: Sam Cramer [mailto:cramer@netapp.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:32 AM To: Art Hebert Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: Vif and Cluster setup questions I wrote > When specifying the partner of a vif, use the IP address of the partner > interface, not the interface name. Sigh... this is exactly backwards. As the man page (na_vif(1)) notes, use the interface name, not the address. Sorry for any confusion, and I promise not to skip that second cup of coffee before replying next time! Sam

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RE: OT - swag
by Kitch, David 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

They haven't given out jackets in years. The last I heard, it's still a bag or a shirt. -- David -----Original Message----- From: Michael Galloway [mailto:mgx@ornl.gov] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 2:04 PM To: Toaster Mail Exploder Subject: Re: OT - swag humph! i was just thinking i'd sign up for the two admin classes, but now i'm not so sure. the leather jacket is sweet! -- michael On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Chuck Ross wrote: > > Man, you guys suck! When I went to Net App training all we got was a > travel coffee mug and a really lame tote bag. > > Chuck Ross > > > > > > > > I think I've got everyone on this thread beat. I am the > > proud owner of a > > black leather NetApp jacket. Currently the best vendor swag > > in my whole > > wardrobe. > >

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Re: OT - swag
by Martin Hughes 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

I second that one. And we've got the SAM agreement to boot. Hmmmm...... Regards Martin Enterprise Storage/Enterprise Server Group <mailto:martin.hughes@halliburton.com> cellphone: +1 713 303 9214 office: +1 281 871 4124 -------------------------- Sent from BlackBerry Wireless Handheld (www.BlackBerry.net) -----Original Message----- From: Chuck Ross <chuck.ross(a)signiant.com> To: Net App List (E-mail) <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Fri Apr 20 13:24:04 2001 Subject: OT - swag Man, you guys suck! When I went to Net App training all we got was a travel coffee mug and a really lame tote bag. Chuck Ross > > > I think I've got everyone on this thread beat. I am the > proud owner of a > black leather NetApp jacket. Currently the best vendor swag > in my whole > wardrobe. > > -- Jeff > > > On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 02:54:44PM +0200, Leif Nixon wrote: > > "Timothy Cook" <TCOOK(a)joy.com> writes: > > > > > Maybe I'm missing out on the really important aspect of netapps??? > > > > > > Other than a jacket I got at Admin training I've never received my > > > new clothing line from Netapp! Is this an optional part of the > > > Support Agreement, or should I start complaining that I'm not > > > receiving the level of support from Netapp that I should be! > > > > Yes, you might want to consider that. > > > > A couple of months ago I added a new 36-gigger to my F720 setup, and > > since I failed to notice the little sticker on the bottom > of the disk > > about supported ONTAP versions, the filer halted and production > > stopped. Ouch. > > > > Not two hours later I received an overseas FedEx package containing > > a NetApp sweater. Now that's service! > > > > -- > > Leif Nixon Sysadm/developer Ericsson SoftLab AB > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > E-mail: nixon(a)softlab.ericsson.se Phone: +46 13 23 57 61 > > ---------------------------------------------------------- > > >

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RE: Vif and Cluster setup questions
by Krzesinski, John 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

In a clustered environment, partnering a VIF needs the VIF name of the other filer's VIF rather than it's IP address (and it makes it easier if you use names that are easily differentiated between the two filers)... > -----Original Message----- > From: Art Hebert [mailto:art@arzoon.com] > Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 7:04 PM > To: 'Sam Cramer' > Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: RE: Vif and Cluster setup questions > > > > > > > Here is my rc lines: > > > > ifconfig e6 mediatype 100tx-fd > > ifconfig e0 mediatype 100tx-fd > > vif create multi vif01 e6 e0 > > vif favor e6 > > ifconfig vif01 `hostname`-e6 mediatype 100tx-fd partner vif01 > ^^^^^ > >When specifying the partner of a vif, use the IP address of > the partner > >interface, not the interface name. > > >Sam > > > Sam -- I tried using the partner address and it complained. > I also tried > the hostname of the partner and it also complained. Then I > read the archives > and someone said you needed to use the name of the virtual > interface to get > the cluster to work. > > > > >

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Re: Vif and Cluster setup questions
by Sam Cramer 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

> I can live without load balancing (though I would think that once the one > link was saturated, packets from another source would go over the > ethernet connection in the vif). In most circumstances it should load balance, but the algorithm used by the switch actually doesn't attempt to "load balance" per se; it simply distributes traffic across the links based on the source and destination address of the incoming packet. In other words, the switch doesn't pay attention to the "load" on each link. By using a simple hash function on the incoming packets it distributes them over the available links; if the packets vary in such a way that the hash function distributes them fairly evenly, the load on each link on each link should be roughly equal. Sam

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Re: Vif and Cluster setup questions
by Sam Cramer 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

I wrote > When specifying the partner of a vif, use the IP address of the partner > interface, not the interface name. Sigh... this is exactly backwards. As the man page (na_vif(1)) notes, use the interface name, not the address. Sorry for any confusion, and I promise not to skip that second cup of coffee before replying next time! Sam

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RE: How would you respond to this -Reply
by Joe Luchtenberg 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

You could probably find retail space available at one of the 38 Gateway Country stores that they announced plans to close recently... ;-) Come to think of it, there's no way NetApp management would sign off on it. You wouldn't make the same kind of profit (clothing retail is pretty cut throat, I understand), and shareholders would not stand for overall gross margins dropping below XX% (unless EMC's dropped, too) [1]. Oops, shareholder opinion may be a touchy subject nowadays... [1] Sanitized gross margin figure in case this is a touchy matter to anyone; if it really matters to you the information is public and easy to find; the way I see it NetApp can only charge for their product what the market will bear, so no you didn't pay too much. Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757.858.0600 757.285.1223 (cell) 757.858.0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Mohler, Jeff [mailto:jeff.mohler@netapp.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 1:16 PM To: Benn, Paul; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: How would you respond to this -Reply I still think we need a company store...*chuckle* -----Original Message----- From: Benn, Paul [mailto:paul.benn@netapp.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:16 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: How would you respond to this -Reply Gee, NetApp clothing must be valuable. I've seen a few items on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227231380 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227655648 -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Kelman [mailto:gavin@husky.muscat.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 7:11 AM To: Timothy Cook Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: How would you respond to this -Reply On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:35:16AM -0400, Timothy Cook wrote: > Maybe I'm missing out on the really important aspect of netapps??? > > For the benefit of you netapp guys who monitor this board, I wear an Extra Large. Just out of interest, can you get ahold of netapp clothing out with them giving you the odd t-shirt at meetings and sales opportunites? My single netapp t-shirt is wearing thin... :) -- Gavin Kelman Phone : 01223 715043 gavin(a)husky.muscat.com Mobile : 07967 360822 Systems Administrator Fax : 01223 715050

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RE: Vif and Cluster setup questions
by Art Hebert 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

> Here is my rc lines: > > ifconfig e6 mediatype 100tx-fd > ifconfig e0 mediatype 100tx-fd > vif create multi vif01 e6 e0 > vif favor e6 > ifconfig vif01 `hostname`-e6 mediatype 100tx-fd partner vif01 ^^^^^ >When specifying the partner of a vif, use the IP address of the partner >interface, not the interface name. >Sam Sam -- I tried using the partner address and it complained. I also tried the hostname of the partner and it also complained. Then I read the archives and someone said you needed to use the name of the virtual interface to get the cluster to work.

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RE: How would you respond to this -Reply
by Mohler, Jeff 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

I still think we need a company store...*chuckle* -----Original Message----- From: Benn, Paul [mailto:paul.benn@netapp.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 9:16 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: How would you respond to this -Reply Gee, NetApp clothing must be valuable. I've seen a few items on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227231380 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227655648 -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Kelman [mailto:gavin@husky.muscat.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 7:11 AM To: Timothy Cook Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: How would you respond to this -Reply On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:35:16AM -0400, Timothy Cook wrote: > Maybe I'm missing out on the really important aspect of netapps??? > > For the benefit of you netapp guys who monitor this board, I wear an Extra Large. Just out of interest, can you get ahold of netapp clothing out with them giving you the odd t-shirt at meetings and sales opportunites? My single netapp t-shirt is wearing thin... :) -- Gavin Kelman Phone : 01223 715043 gavin(a)husky.muscat.com Mobile : 07967 360822 Systems Administrator Fax : 01223 715050

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RE: How would you respond to this -Reply
by Mohler, Jeff 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

i ran into the same problem with [i believe] the cheetah 18G drives. i later found the insignificant little piece of paper stating that there might be a problem if you didn't download the latest disk defs. i can understand the filer not recognizing/using the disk. but slamming to a halt? brrrrrr. the netapp engineer agreed that the notice should be large red and very visable. sad to see that this did not happen. if anyone in netapp-land is listening, could this packaging bug be fixed? thank you. i'd be happy to provide case details to netapp upon request. --- This has a fix. This is part of the 6.1 release which is currently in FCS. You can check details on this on the NOW site. The root of this is..we are very particular over what drives we allow in our systems. Different vendors have different way of "working" and we thoroughly test all drives, models, and specific firmware versions before we release it to the wild. Data protection is whats on our mind here. Clearly there is always a better way, and feedback into Engineering asking why we did it that way resulted in reocnstructing how we deal with non-qualified drives and it no longer causes downtime in the current FCS release of ONTAP 6.1. Please review the FCS documentation on NOW to better understand what our OS release procedures and definitions are. If anyone ever has features for different ways of doing things they want to be heard here at Netapp..open a case and ask. Your technical support rep. will find the answers..and if they dont exist will open an RFE. Your sales contacts are also open to suggestions from the field. Free leather jackets are not considered RFE material..just so were all in sync on that. :^)

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RE: How would you respond to this -Reply
by Benn, Paul 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Gee, NetApp clothing must be valuable. I've seen a few items on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227231380 http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1227655648 -----Original Message----- From: Gavin Kelman [mailto:gavin@husky.muscat.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 7:11 AM To: Timothy Cook Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: How would you respond to this -Reply On Fri, Apr 20, 2001 at 08:35:16AM -0400, Timothy Cook wrote: > Maybe I'm missing out on the really important aspect of netapps??? > > For the benefit of you netapp guys who monitor this board, I wear an Extra Large. Just out of interest, can you get ahold of netapp clothing out with them giving you the odd t-shirt at meetings and sales opportunites? My single netapp t-shirt is wearing thin... :) -- Gavin Kelman Phone : 01223 715043 gavin(a)husky.muscat.com Mobile : 07967 360822 Systems Administrator Fax : 01223 715050

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RE: Vif and Cluster setup questions
by Art Hebert 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Eyal -- I tried vif favor in both multi and single. I can live without load balancing (though I would think that once the one link was saturated, packets from another source would go over the ethernet connection in the vif). My main concern is it wants to use e0 all the time. We have found here that we had to move the 100mb nic to slot 6 to get performance, we had netapp come out and we finally had to use the following configuration. Copying a 100mb file to e0 would take 24 sec, copying to the nic card in another slot would take 24 sec. It wasn't until we moved it to slot 6 and used 8k packets did we get 10 sec copy times. So the e6 is 100mb. smf760-01> sysconfig -v NetApp Release 5.3.6R2: Sat Aug 5 09:40:44 PDT 2000 System ID: 0016800487 (smf760-01); partner ID: 0016800485 (smf760-02) slot 0: System Board (NetApp System Board V N8) Model Name: F760 Serial Number: 235663 Firmware release: 2.3_a2 Memory Size: 1024 MB slot 0: Fibre Channel Host Adapter 0a (Qlogic ISP2100 rev. 3, 64-bit) Firmware rev: 1.19.6 Host Loop Id: 7 FC Node Name: 2:000:00a098:03988f Cacheline size: 8 FC Packet size: 2048 slot 0: SCSI Host Adapter 0b (Qlogic ISP 1040B) Fast/Wide, Differential Firmware Version 4.65 Clock Rate 60MHz. slot 0: Ethernet Controller e0 MAC Address: 00:a0:98:00:7d:b4 (auto--down) slot 4: Fibre Channel Host Adapter 4 (Qlogic ISP2100 rev. 3, 32-bit) Firmware rev: 1.19.6 Host Loop Id: 7 FC Node Name: 2:000:00e08b:018aa7 Cacheline size: 8 FC Packet size: 2048 0: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) 1: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) 2: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) 3: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) 4: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) 5: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) 6: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) Shelf 0: VEM Kernel Version : 2.5 App. Version : 3.0 slot 6: FastEnet-10/100 Ethernet Controller Device Type: 82559 e6 MAC Address: 00:90:27:be:a8:b5 (auto-100tx-fd-up) slot 7: Fibre Channel Host Adapter 7 (Qlogic ISP2100 rev. 3, 32-bit) Firmware rev: 1.19.6 Host Loop Id: 7 FC Node Name: 2:000:00e08b:0189a7 Cacheline size: 8 FC Packet size: 2048 0: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) 1: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) 2: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) 3: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) 4: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) 5: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) 6: SEAGATE ST318203FC NA07 Size=17.0GB (35566480 blocks) Shelf 0: VEM Kernel Version : 2.5 App. Version : 3.0 slot 8: Interconnect adapter (Tandem ServerNet SPA 1.5) slot 9: NVRAM (NetApp NVRAM II) Revision: A0 Serial Number: 23271 Memory Size: 32 MB Battery 1 Status: 100% (3.22v) Battery 2 Status: 100% (3.22v) thanks art -----Original Message----- From: Traitel, Eyal [mailto:eyal@netapp.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 8:52 AM To: 'Art Hebert'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Vif and Cluster setup questions I'm almost 100% percent sure that vif favor will affect only single vifs. I will check later on, but you should be able to see that in docs as well. Regarding load balancing - EtherChannel is more about failover than balancing. It distributes to ports based on last 2 bits of MAC address. In real life, one device is becoming the one that's more used than the others. Is e6 GbE ? Can you post your sysconfig -v ? Eyal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer CNA, MCSE, CSA, LCA, NetApp CA Network Appliance BV Holland Office Center Kruisweg 799b 2132 NG, Hoofddorp The Netherlands Office: +31 23 567 9685 Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 Email: eyal(a)netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Art Hebert [mailto:art@arzoon.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:55 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Vif and Cluster setup questions > I've read all the posts and I am having some success and some failures. > > > 2 F760 filers clustered together, onboard ethernet (e0), 10/100 nic > (e6) > Cisco 6509 switch trunked together > > I'm trying to get the e0 and e6 ports to work failover for each > other and ideally > load balance to get better performance. > > I've been able to get the virtual interface running and fail the > cluster and everything is > fine but I can't get it to load balance (I even tried 4 clients > hitting it copying 500mb files) > and it seems to always want to use e0, even if I do a "vif favor e6" > > Here is my rc lines: > > ifconfig e6 mediatype 100tx-fd > ifconfig e0 mediatype 100tx-fd > vif create multi vif01 e6 e0 > vif favor e6 > ifconfig vif01 `hostname`-e6 mediatype 100tx-fd partner vif01 > > Now I added the vif favor e6 even though its multi (shouldn't have > to it should load balance), right? > Does it matter what order the e6 and e0 commands come in, seems that > it affects how vif stat reports? > Can I even use e0 and e6 together or should I have another card? its > on the 32 bit bus > and performance is half of e6. > Are the nic cards in the netapps anything special or can I use a > well known brand ? > > > Thanks > > Art Hebert Email: art(a)arzoon.com <mailto:art@arzoon.com> > Arzoon IT Dept. Phone: 650 522-6125 > Mobile: 650 444-8667 >

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RE: Vif and Cluster setup questions
by Traitel, Eyal 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

I'm almost 100% percent sure that vif favor will affect only single vifs. I will check later on, but you should be able to see that in docs as well. Regarding load balancing - EtherChannel is more about failover than balancing. It distributes to ports based on last 2 bits of MAC address. In real life, one device is becoming the one that's more used than the others. Is e6 GbE ? Can you post your sysconfig -v ? Eyal. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer CNA, MCSE, CSA, LCA, NetApp CA Network Appliance BV Holland Office Center Kruisweg 799b 2132 NG, Hoofddorp The Netherlands Office: +31 23 567 9685 Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 Email: eyal(a)netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Art Hebert [mailto:art@arzoon.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:55 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Vif and Cluster setup questions > I've read all the posts and I am having some success and some failures. > > > 2 F760 filers clustered together, onboard ethernet (e0), 10/100 nic > (e6) > Cisco 6509 switch trunked together > > I'm trying to get the e0 and e6 ports to work failover for each > other and ideally > load balance to get better performance. > > I've been able to get the virtual interface running and fail the > cluster and everything is > fine but I can't get it to load balance (I even tried 4 clients > hitting it copying 500mb files) > and it seems to always want to use e0, even if I do a "vif favor e6" > > Here is my rc lines: > > ifconfig e6 mediatype 100tx-fd > ifconfig e0 mediatype 100tx-fd > vif create multi vif01 e6 e0 > vif favor e6 > ifconfig vif01 `hostname`-e6 mediatype 100tx-fd partner vif01 > > Now I added the vif favor e6 even though its multi (shouldn't have > to it should load balance), right? > Does it matter what order the e6 and e0 commands come in, seems that > it affects how vif stat reports? > Can I even use e0 and e6 together or should I have another card? its > on the 32 bit bus > and performance is half of e6. > Are the nic cards in the netapps anything special or can I use a > well known brand ? > > > Thanks > > Art Hebert Email: art(a)arzoon.com <mailto:art@arzoon.com> > Arzoon IT Dept. Phone: 650 522-6125 > Mobile: 650 444-8667 >

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Re: ndmpcopy patch -- "level i"
by Thomas.L.White＠chase.com 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

---------------------- Forwarded by Thomas L. White/CHASE on 04/20/2001 11:31 AM --------------------------- Thomas L. White 04/20/2001 11:32 AM To: jkrueger(a)qualcomm.com cc: Subject: Re: ndmpcopy patch -- "level i" my curiosity here is whether I should use the -i or 1-9 what would you suggest. And what do you know about the method used for level i or 1-9 ? to wit: will the ndmpcopy -i serve up every file and have the destination filer decidde if it needs to update or not ??? in other words will the incremental take 25 minutes or 5 hours ?? tw ---------------------- Forwarded by Thomas L. White/CHASE on 04/20/2001 11:23 AM --------------------------- Thomas L. White 04/20/2001 09:54 AM To: Jeffrey Krueger <jkrueger(a)qualcomm.com> cc: ptran(a)broadcom.com Subject: Re: ndmpcopy patch -- "level i" (Document link: Thomas L. White) Jeff: We have a situation here that requires me to rebuild a (400G on 21X36G drive) volume onto 72G drives so - last night I ran ndmpcopy without any arguments. It seems to be running fine - 310G has been written so-far and I plan to let it run to completion this a.m. My problem is my boss - he has a 0 confidence level re: the incremental step of ndmpcopy and wants the next "update" to occur by way of robocopy and rdist. Since we plan to physically swap the drives saturday - I would guess this approach would not be finished by then. so - are you aware of any tool that can compare "source volume" to "destination volume" and give him the assurance that this pass and the update pass tonight completed successfully ??? thanks for your indulgence. tw Jeffrey Krueger <jkrueger(a)qualcomm.com>@mathworks.com on 04/19/2001 09:58:38 PM Sent by: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com To: Peter Tran <ptran(a)broadcom.com> cc: Jeffrey Krueger <jkrueger(a)qualcomm.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: ndmpcopy patch -- "level i" Peter: Yes, we did have a problem with a level 1 copy based on a level 0 copy of data with ndmpcopy last year. Afterwards, we could not reproduce the problem and at some point another toaster user said they had the same problem and it was tracked down to a bug in a previous version of ONTAP. We had been wary of ndmpcopy for level 1-9 copies, but still used it with caution and had no difficulties. The "level i" feature of ndmpcopy is even more attractive and has worked very nicely for us in the past few months. Our confidence level with ndmpcopy is very high these days. As for if it can "be the trusted tool for safely and effectively migrating/moving data between filers", that's a question that only NetApp support can answer! =) -- Jeff On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 05:21:01PM -0700, Peter Tran wrote: > > Jeff, > > I recall seeing an email from you stating that you had problem with > incremental NDMPcopy the last time you used it. Specifically many of the > files in the destination directory were corrupted or mangled. You had to > resort to rsync to fix this problem. Is this still the case with > incremental NDMPcopy. What's your confidence level with it now? Can > incremental NDMPcopy be the "trusted" tool for safely and effectively > migrating/moving data between the filers? Thanks. > > Peter > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com > [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]On Behalf Of Jeffrey Krueger > Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 3:39 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Cc: ndmp-users(a)ndmp.org > Subject: ndmpcopy patch -- "level i" > > > Thanks to Bruce for posting his patch to NDMPcopy! Here's the one that > we've been using and all the information we've collected about it. > > I've uploaded the following patch for ndmpcopy to ftp.ndmp.org in addition > to attaching it to this e-mail. Please read the entire mail before > attempting to apply the patch or use the functionality it provides. > > ---------------- > WHAT DOES IT DO? > ---------------- > This is a very small, straight-forward patch that will enable ndmpcopy to > make an indefinite number of incremental copies of data. The ability to do > this was not included in ndmpcopy, but was a part of jndmpcopy - the Java > version of ndmpcopy. The feature is used by passing the command-line > argument "-level i" to ndmpcopy once the patch is compiled in. > > The incremental feature is very useful for migrating a directory from one > filer/volume to another. It allows you to make an initial copy and then > perform periodical incremental updates of the changes until a cut-over > period. During the cut-over period, you can make the source read-only or > unaccessible and perform a final incremental copy while updating clients to > point at the new location. > > Without "level i", you can only do 9 incremental copies (level 1-9). With > this enhancement, you can do as many incremental copies as you need. > > ----------------- > HOW DOES IT WORK? > ----------------- > Our analysis of jndmpcopy showed that this feature was driven by simply > replacing the NDMP environment variable "LEVEL" which is normally set to a > number 0-9, with the NDMP environment variable "REPLICATE" and a value of > "y". Again, this action is triggered in the patch by specifying "-level i" > on the command line. > > Normally, ndmpcopy gives the following output near the beginning of a copy: > > disposal: LOG: DUMP: disposal: LOG: Date of this level 0 dump: Tue Apr 17 > 14:22:43 2001. > disposal: LOG: DUMP: disposal: LOG: Date of last level 0 dump: the epoch. > > When using the "-level i" option, that output will look like this: > > disposal: LOG: DUMP: disposal: LOG: Date of this replication dump: Tue > Apr 17 14:24:45 2001. > disposal: LOG: DUMP: disposal: LOG: Date of this last update : the epoch. > > It adds a line to /etc/dumpdates for the directory you copied which > contains "i" for the level. Presumably this shouldn't be messed with as it > keeps track of what the next level "i" for that directory needs to copy. I > also assume that this means you can't do a level "i" of /qtree from filerA > to filerB, then do another one from filerA to filerC, then back to filerB > again. > > This works like a dandy for us running Data ONTAP 5.3.4R3P2 and 5.3.7R3. > > ------- > CAVEATS > ------- > o USE THIS PATCH AT YOUR OWN RISK! The patch isn't supported by myself, my > company, or NetApp. Before using this feature, you should have a fair > understanding of C programming and a good understanding of how NetApp > filers work, especially with NDMP. > > o I'm unsure what versions of ONTAP support the "REPLICATE" NDMP > environment variable. So far I can't find any documentation of this, > although jndmpcopy eludes to it working with ONTAP 5.3 and higher. > Maybe someone from NetApp can chime in here? > > o Level i copies will *not* work with level 0-9 copies of the same source > and destination. That is, you cannot do a "-level 0" ndmpcopy to move > data initially, then use "-level i" to make updates. For that matter, > you can't use any other method to do the initial copy such as "vol copy", > dump/restore, rsync, etc. If you want to use "-level i" at all, you must > use it to do the initial copy and all updates. > > o Don't modify the destination until you're done updating it. Once the > destination is modified, another "level i" will likely *not* be able to > update that destination. > > o Be aware of "level i" entries in /etc/dumpdates! Don't delete a "level i" > entry for a source if you still want to be able to do further updates to > the same destination. Conversely, if you're done using this method to > move a directory, and want to use it again on the same source (or a > source which eventually has the same name) to a different (new, blank) > destination, you'll have to remove the "level i" entry out of > /etc/dumpdates for the source directory. Also, don't try to perform > "level i" copies of the same source to multiple destinations. > > -------------------- > HOW DO I INSTALL IT? > -------------------- > There are two separate patches attached, one for version 1.1 and one for > 1.2 of ndmpcopy (they vary only slightly because of the usage statement). > If you are new to patching the following instructions may help you. > > 1) Copy the patch into the base directory of ndmpcopy. > ex. % cp ndmpcopy-level_i.patch ~/ndmpcopy-1.1 > > 2) Enter the base directory of ndmpcopy. > ex. % cd ~/ndmpcopy-1.1 > > 3) Patch the source (example uses GNU patch) > ex. % patch -p 1 -b -z .orig -i ndmpcopy_1.1-level_i.patch > > 4) Build the package > ex. % make clean; make > > -------------------------------- > ANYTHING ELSE, JEFF-THE-WINDBAG? > -------------------------------- > The contribution of this patch to the NetApp/NDMP community is intended to > help folks out with administering their filers. This feature is pretty > handy for migrating data between filers and/or volumes. Although I'm not > offering any support of this patch, I am interested in any feedback > regarding it so that it can be improved for everyone's benefit. In > particular, I'm looking for: > > o NetApp/NDMP official information about the REPLICATE variable - versions > of ONTAP it can be used with, confirmation of the identified caveats, > etc. > > o User's experiences with the feature - does it work, does it fail, under > what circumstances, etc. > > o Programming tips - suggestions for improving the patch. > > Also, I will be posting this along with this information in this e-mail and > any feedback I get to my personal website. The URL will be posted in a > follow-up mail in a few weeks. > > Good luck! > > -- Jeff > > -- > ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Jeff Krueger, NetApp CA E-Mail: jeff(a)qualcomm.com > Senior Engineer Phone: 858-651-6709 > NetApp Filers / UNIX Infrastructure Fax: 858-651-6627 > QUALCOMM, Inc. IT Engineering Web: www.qualcomm.com > > >

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RE: Can you not recover a NetApp NDMP backup to another NetApp?
by Traitel, Eyal 20 Apr '01

20 Apr '01

Sorry Steve... I know only little Veritas, and only 3.2 :) Thanks ! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer CNA, MCSE, CSA, LCA, NetApp CA Network Appliance BV Holland Office Center Kruisweg 799b 2132 NG, Hoofddorp The Netherlands Office: +31 23 567 9685 Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 Email: eyal(a)netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Steve Kappel [mailto:steve.kappel@raistlin.min.ov.com] Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 4:17 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Can you not recover a NetApp NDMP backup to another NetApp? FYI VERITAS NetBackup NDMP fully supports (release 3.4 onward) restoring NDMP backups to a different NDMP host (same vendor of course). The general NetBackup term for this is "alternate client restore". >From: "Traitel, Eyal" <eyal(a)netapp.com> >To: "Schepers, Jan" <Jan.Schepers(a)nl.origin-it.com>, toasters(a)mathworks.com >Subject: RE: Can you not recover a NetApp NDMP backup to another NetApp? >Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:44:29 -0700 > >Jan, > >I am sure this trick is not supported officially by Legato/Veritas/others, >but this has been used successfully, and is VERY easy to do: > >Just edit /etc/hosts file on your Legato host to point the need-to-be-recovered filer to the IP of the one that's replacement. >As NDMP doesn't really care about that, as long as the restore path is fine... > >Eyal. > > >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer > CNA, MCSE, CSA, LCA, NetApp CA > > Network Appliance BV > Holland Office Center > Kruisweg 799b > 2132 NG, Hoofddorp > The Netherlands >Office: +31 23 567 9685 >Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 >Email: eyal(a)netapp.com >---------------------------------------------------------------------- >Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com >---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > >-----Original Message----- >From: Schepers, Jan [mailto:Jan.Schepers@nl.origin-it.com] >Sent: Friday, April 20, 2001 11:45 AM >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com >Subject: Can you not recover a NetApp NDMP backup to another NetApp? > > >Hello list, > >possibly you read the following line in the Legato's Networker 6 >SysAdminGuide > > > >The Networker Administrator Guide (6.0) shows in chapter 12 , >the section on NDMP limitations the following : > > NetApp Computers and NDMP > Keep in mind the following limitations when > you use NDMP and NetApp: > * You cannot recover a NetApp NDMP backup to > another NetApp. You can only recover data > to the original host. > >Does this mean that my faith fully daily made backups are >worthless in case of a disaster? > >rgds, > >Yann __________________________________________________________________________ Steve Kappel steve.kappel(a)veritas.com VERITAS Software steve(a)stevekappel.com (Personal)

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