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RE: HSM with filers?
by Cormier, Darleen 04 May '01

04 May '01

Hi Neil, That is true in the "standard" HSM world. Normally HSM requires several protocols which we do not support, however Enigma Data is doing something a little different. They have a software layer which is bundled together with Vertias' HSM module, and also an Oracle Database portion to keep track of everything. With this combination they are able to move off groups of files which they call projects to tape, optical or other disks and also bring them back if requested. They have some product descriptions on their web site which can give you more detail. It doesn't have all the HSM features, but that's why I suggested to Tom that he check them out to see if the had the features he needed. We have several large oil and gas customers using the package sucessfully and a couple of other customers doing evaluations. -----Original Message----- From: neil lehrer [mailto:nlehrer@ibb.gov] Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:19 AM To: Cormier, Darleen Cc: "'Tom \"Mad Dog\" Yergeau'"; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: HSM with filers? i thought netapp would have to include an hsm api in ontap before this would work? "Cormier, Darleen" wrote: > > Hi Tom, Just to let you know, we do have some NetApp customers both using and evaluating a package called Enigma Data. www.enigmadata.com You might want to talk to them and see if their package will meet your needs. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau [mailto:MadDog@fool.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:48 PM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: HSM with filers? > > I just took the NetApp backup survey that they sent out and one of the > questions was about using hierarchical storage management with filers. > > Does anyone know of any HSM products out there that currently work with > filers? > > Thanks, > Tom

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RE: HSM with filers?
by Cormier, Darleen 04 May '01

04 May '01

Hi Tom, Just to let you know, we do have some NetApp customers both using and evaluating a package called Enigma Data. www.enigmadata.com You might want to talk to them and see if their package will meet your needs. -----Original Message----- From: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau [mailto:MadDog@fool.com] Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:48 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: HSM with filers? I just took the NetApp backup survey that they sent out and one of the questions was about using hierarchical storage management with filers. Does anyone know of any HSM products out there that currently work with filers? Thanks, Tom

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RE: JNDMP Copy
by Traitel, Eyal 04 May '01

04 May '01

Is ndmpd on on this filer ? ---------------------------------------------------------------------- eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Eyal Traitel - Filer Escalation Engineer CNA, MCSE, CSA, LCA, NetApp CA Network Appliance BV Holland Office Center Kruisweg 799b 2132 NG, Hoofddorp The Netherlands Office: +31 23 567 9685 Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 Email: eyal(a)netapp.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com <http://now.netapp.com/> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Morgan, Joshua [mailto:JMorgan@Trivergent.com] Sent: Fri, May 04, 2001 15:59 To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: JNDMP Copy Has any one used this and if so can you give me a sample path to copy we keep getting an error (see below) jndmpcopy gvl-netapp1:/c:/vol/vol1/~snapshot/SnapSQL/gvl-triv-sql01/DAT A/LOG gvl-netapp1:/c:/vol/vol1/gvl-triv-sql01/TEST May 04 09:16:57 [ndmpd:0]: Error opening socket to gvl-netapp1 at port 10000 java.lang.ThreadDeath at java/lang/Thread.stop0 at java/lang/Thread.stop at java/lang/Thread.stop at jndmpcopy/JNdmpcopy.abort at jndmpcopy/JNdmpcopy.main ERROR: java.lang.ThreadDeath Thanks Joshua Joshua Morgan NuVox Communications OSS/Network Engineer PH: (864) 331-7939 Fax: (864) 271-7810 jmorgan(a)trivergent.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =================== "Life is overwhelming Heavy is the head that wears the crown I'd love to be the one to disappoint you when I don't fall down "-------Fred Durst-------

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JNDMP Copy
by Morgan, Joshua 04 May '01

04 May '01

Has any one used this and if so can you give me a sample path to copy we keep getting an error (see below) jndmpcopy gvl-netapp1:/c:/vol/vol1/~snapshot/SnapSQL/gvl-triv-sql01/DAT A/LOG gvl-netapp1:/c:/vol/vol1/gvl-triv-sql01/TEST May 04 09:16:57 [ndmpd:0]: Error opening socket to gvl-netapp1 at port 10000 java.lang.ThreadDeath at java/lang/Thread.stop0 at java/lang/Thread.stop at java/lang/Thread.stop at jndmpcopy/JNdmpcopy.abort at jndmpcopy/JNdmpcopy.main ERROR: java.lang.ThreadDeath Thanks Joshua Joshua Morgan NuVox Communications OSS/Network Engineer PH: (864) 331-7939 Fax: (864) 271-7810 jmorgan(a)trivergent.com ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ =================== "Life is overwhelming Heavy is the head that wears the crown I'd love to be the one to disappoint you when I don't fall down "-------Fred Durst-------

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RE: F85
by Ljungberg, Anders 04 May '01

04 May '01

Ask your EMC rep what happened with the IP4700 at "Vattenfall", one of the larger energy producers in Sweden. Redundant hardware or solid sw.... Anders Ljungberg Professional Services Consultant, Netapp UK -----Original Message----- From: Whitfield, Charlie [mailto:charliew@netapp.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 9:28 AM To: 'Barry Lustig'; Toasters Subject: RE: F85 While I don't disagree with Tom, he doesn't mention that F85 can do many of the tricks that currently reside in the wish lists of others. For example: SnapRestore: near-instant full volume restore (the trad option is lengthy tape restore) without affecting other volumes on the same filer. No point having snaps if you can't get the data back. SnapMirror: asynch mirroring over any distance. This is done volume-volume so you can mirror a bunch of geo-dispersed F85s to something larger at HQ. Etc, etc, etc. The key to F85 is that, with the main exception of Cluster Failover, it can perform just about all the tricks of it's larger data centre siblings. I believe that NetApp are unique in offering this downward scalability (i.e. that a smaller solution shouldn't be penalised in the functionality department). Naturally, if your environment grows, you don't have to re-engineer your processes, just plug in a bigger filer. If you want head-redundancy, think F740C which, like the IP4700, won't fit under your desk. :-) Cheers, CAW Charlie Whitfield NetApp UK FBI voice: +44 20 8756 6762 mobile: +44 7718 160954 email: caw(a)netapp.com Repel the bozo invasion! -----Original Message----- From: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau [mailto:MadDog@fool.com] Sent: 30 April 2001 19:45 To: 'Barry Lustig'; Toasters Subject: RE: F85 The F85 and the IP4700 are NOT in the same class of equipment. F85 is for a small office, IP4700 is for a decent sized department (couple hundred users). If the F85 is what you need, the IP4700 is a total overkill. If the IP4700 is in the class you need, you should be looking at an F740 or F760 cluster, not an F85. MD -----Original Message----- From: Barry Lustig [mailto:barry@lustig.com] Sent: Monday, April 30, 2001 1:44 PM To: Toasters Subject: F85 Has anybody had any experience with the F85? I'm most interested in the hardware. As a continuation of my last message, EMC is pushing hard with an IP4700 against an F85. They've been touting the reliability of their box and that it has no single point of failure (2 processors, etc). I'd like to know if anyone on the list has deployed the F85 and can give a reference on them. Also, does anyone know what type of failover the IP4700 is actually providing between their 2 storage processors. It doesn't look at first glance that the surviving processor takes over the MAC address of the dead processor. It just starts arping for the IP address of its partner. barry

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HSM with filers?
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 04 May '01

04 May '01

I just took the NetApp backup survey that they sent out and one of the questions was about using hierarchical storage management with filers. Does anyone know of any HSM products out there that currently work with filers? Thanks, Tom

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RE: Trend Virus Wall for NetApp
by Tony Qin (PM-US) 03 May '01

03 May '01

Dear Craig, Thanks for your interest in Trend Micro's solution to virus protection of Network Appliance filers. The controlled version of ServerProtect for Network Appliance Filer 5.3 is available now and is compatible with Network Appliance filers that have a Network Appliance proprietary OS Data ONTAP 6.1 or above. You can download the program files and the relevant materials at the FTP site: ftp.trendmicro.com Username: us-web/customer password: tmcustomer Folder: /customer/netapp Files: SP53RC.ZIP -- program files WP_SPFiler.doc -- the white paper DS_SPNAF53.pdf -- the datasheet file Readme.txt Quick_Start_Guide.pdf SP_AdminGuide.pdf -- the ServerProtect Administrator's Guide With regards, Tony Qin, M.S., Ph.D. Product Manager Trend Micro, Inc. www.antivirus.com Direct: 408-863-6411 Fax: 408-863-6399 -----Original Message----- From: Craig Slack [mailto:Craig_Slack@pmc-sierra.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:56 PM To: Tony Qin (PM-US) Subject: RE: Trend Virus Wall for NetApp Thank you Tony. I look forward to your update. Craig Slack Leader, NT Services PMC-Sierra Inc., Computer Services Dept. (604) 415-6813 -----Original Message----- From: Tony Qin (PM-US) [mailto:Tony_Qin@trendmicro.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 5:30 PM To: Craig Slack Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Trend Virus Wall for NetApp Dear Craig, Thanks for your interest in Trend Micro's ServerProtect for Network Appliance Filer 5.3. The product is being under external beta test, and is expected to release on 4/30/01 if the test is fine. I'll keep you informed of our progress. With regards, Tony Qin, M.S., Ph.D. Product Manager Trend Micro, Inc. www.antivirus.com Direct: 408-863-6411 Fax: 408-863-6399 -----Original Message----- From: Uren, Jim [mailto:jim.uren@netapp.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:52 PM To: Tony Qin (PM-US) Subject: FW: Trend Virus Wall for NetApp Hi Tony, I am not sure if it is appropriate for me as a NetApp employee to forward you a msg which includes customer names, so please handle this in a discreet way. I did want to let you know that 1) at least one person has good things to say about your product 2) another person would like to see more info on your company's web site. If you know the right person to contact, perhaps you could get the Trend website updated with more info? But perhaps you will not be putting info on the website until the beta test is complete? I am glad to see interest in your product and I hope it is very successful! Jim Uren -----Original Message----- From: Craig Slack [mailto:Craig_Slack@pmc-sierra.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 1:03 PM To: 'Gifford, Josh'; 'Manny Kaiser' Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Trend Virus Wall for NetApp This looks very promising. Is anyone aware of when Trend is planning to release further products for virus scanning on NetApp filers (not the NetCache boxes). According to the PDF doc at the link below, NetApp has partnered with Trend and Symantec to provide these solutions, but I haven't found anything on Trend's site about it yet. Any ideas? http://www.netapp.com/tech_library/ftp/3107.pdf Craig Slack Leader, NT Services PMC-Sierra Inc., Computer Services Dept. (604) 415-6813 -----Original Message----- From: Gifford, Josh [mailto:Josh.Gifford@ptd.siemens.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 11:34 AM To: 'Manny Kaiser' Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Trend Virus Wall for NetApp Here is the press release: http://www.antivirus.com/corporate/media/2001/pr032601.htm -Josh Gifford -----Original Message----- From: Manny Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@mmcnet.com] Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:39 PM To: Gifford, Josh Subject: Re: Trend Virus Wall for NetApp can you send a pointer that talks about this? thanks Manny "Gifford, Josh" wrote: > Hello fellow filer fans, > Just thought I'd let everyone know that I've been running a beta of > the Trend Virus Wall for NetApp (Data ONTAP 6.1) for a few weeks now and it > seems to be working fine so far. It runs on a separate server and scans > each file coming and going. I'm not sure when it is to be released to the > public, but if you have any questions about how it's set up or what kind of > problems we have run in to (none so far), feel free to contact me. > > Best Regards, > > Josh J Gifford MCP > Senior NT Administrator > Siemens Power Transmission & Distribution > 7000 Siemens Rd > Wendell, NC 27591 > Phone: (919) 365-2806; Fax: (919) 365-1080 > Email: josh.gifford(a)ptd.siemens.com

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520 filer, CPU pegs...
by parker＠redback.com 03 May '01

03 May '01

Hi all, I have a 520 filer running 5.3.7R2 (firmware 2.1_a) with what I perceive to be a problem - I need someone to tell me if this is normal or not. Essentially, when I transfer a single big file (100 MB is my test file) to it over NFS, the CPU pegs at between 98% and 100% for the duration of the transfer (about 24 seconds). This causes some wierd things to happen... I've discovered that if I use NFS version 3 (either TCP or UDP), doing a transfer as above AND trying anything else on the filer (as simple as an 'ls -l') will cause the data transfer to break, i.e. the 'cp' will exit with an error "write: Resource temporarily unavailable". In actual fact, the transfer does not STOP, it continues in the background, however the copy returns an error code and the above message. Using NFS version 2, either TCP or UDP, the cp completes properly. Because the CPU is pegged, the aforementioned 'ls' can take 10 or more seconds in a directory with perhaps 10 files in it... not too good. I find this to be bizarre behaviour... both the CPU getting pegged while transferring a single file, and the copy breaking... has anyone else seen this? Cheers, Ross -- Ross Parker | | "Lisp has all the visual appeal of Diagnostic Engineer | oatmeal with fingernail clippings Redback Networks Inc. | mixed in" - Larry Wall parker(a)redback.com |

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ndmp restore process
by neil lehrer 03 May '01

03 May '01

hi, we got legato to do a backup and now we are trying a restore. i deleted a directory from the filer and selected it for restore. we are ontap 5.36r2, so no direct access restore. watching the filer from an nt machine, we immediately saw the file names come back, with 0 bytes and no attributes. much later the file sizes came back and the attributes, but legato keeps reading the tape and every 5 minutes we see the "we have read so many bytes" messages. i would think once the files are back the restore would complete, will it go to the end of the tape? --

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Re: Cluster + Cisco Switch
by Seth Moskowitz 03 May '01

03 May '01

Not sure about spantree portfast haven't heard of that before. I believe our first failover test was actually an accident but we didn't have live users on it yet. It was not spontaneous but there was only about a 10 second delay. All you need to do it make sure when you configure it that you specify the name of the partner when you set up the NIC's other then that the filer basically does all the work in the failover situation. There is a small delay during the give back as well. >From: Daniel Oxenhandler <daniel(a)sprintlabs.com> >To: "'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" <toasters(a)mathworks.com> >Subject: Cluster + Cisco Switch >Date: Thu, 3 May 2001 08:38:03 -0700 > >Friends, > >We have just brought up a cluster with two F740 filers, running ONTAP >5.3.6R2. They are connected by Gigabit Ethernet to a Cisco Catalyst 5500 >switch. This is on a 9 port Gigabit Etherchannel module. We didn't get a >chance to test the failover behavior, and have questions for anyone who >might be running a similar configuration. > >Is the failover instantaneous, as suggested by our NetApp sales rep and CE, >or is there a delay while things sort themselves out in the switch? Is >there special configuration on the switch port that should be configured >for >these (e.g. "set spantree portfast") that should be applied? > >Thanks for your insights... > >Regards, > >Daniel Oxenhandler >Senior Network Engineer >Sprint Laboratories >650-375-4281 _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Re: Cluster + Cisco Switch
by Thomas.L.White＠chase.com 03 May '01

03 May '01

never heard of spantree portfast we use cisco 6500's but thenetapp is the puppy what handles the failover as long as you specified the "partner" name when setting up the interfaces it knows who to send out ARP updates as when it takes over for the original owner. tw it is an easy test - halt one of the filers the other one takes over (as long as you have the partners identified and your options "match")

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Cluster + Cisco Switch
by Daniel Oxenhandler 03 May '01

03 May '01

Friends, We have just brought up a cluster with two F740 filers, running ONTAP 5.3.6R2. They are connected by Gigabit Ethernet to a Cisco Catalyst 5500 switch. This is on a 9 port Gigabit Etherchannel module. We didn't get a chance to test the failover behavior, and have questions for anyone who might be running a similar configuration. Is the failover instantaneous, as suggested by our NetApp sales rep and CE, or is there a delay while things sort themselves out in the switch? Is there special configuration on the switch port that should be configured for these (e.g. "set spantree portfast") that should be applied? Thanks for your insights... Regards, Daniel Oxenhandler Senior Network Engineer Sprint Laboratories 650-375-4281

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RE: Does Netapp send out new docs automatically or do you have to req uest them?
by Eaken, Pam 03 May '01

03 May '01

Hi Art, We don't automatically ship new doc boxes for upgrades. However, you can order them through your NetApp rep. They're also online on the NOW site. http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/ontap/ontap_index.shtml If you happen to order a new Media Package, the online docs are on the CD. Let me know if you need more info. Pam Eaken Mgr. Technical Publications Network Appliance (408) 822-6612 -----Original Message----- From: Art Hebert [mailto:art@arzoon.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 02, 2001 4:34 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Does Netapp send out new docs automatically or do you have to req uest them? We have docs based on an older release and are going to be upgrading out OS to 6.0, do we need to request new docs? Or does netapp send them out periodically after its designated FCS? Art Hebert Email: art(a)arzoon.com <mailto:art@arzoon.com> Arzoon IT Dept. Phone: 650 522-6125 Mobile: 650 444-8667

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Does Netapp send out new docs automatically or do you have to req uest them?
by Art Hebert 03 May '01

03 May '01

We have docs based on an older release and are going to be upgrading out OS to 6.0, do we need to request new docs? Or does netapp send them out periodically after its designated FCS? Art Hebert Email: art(a)arzoon.com <mailto:art@arzoon.com> Arzoon IT Dept. Phone: 650 522-6125 Mobile: 650 444-8667

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ndmpcopy errors
by Thomas.L.White＠chase.com 03 May '01

03 May '01

I am using ndmpcopy to create a copy of an existing volume on another filer. I have done this before with success. Last night before I left, I started two ndmpcoppies from different filers to different filers. the "share" went through with no errors (247 gig) the "home" is still trying with the following errors as far as I can scroll back in my xterm. intersting fact however when I type rsh source_filer df it shows 230.4 gigs and when issued against the destination filer it shows 230.7 gigs. any known quantities here ? p.s. there are unix homes on the home volume - so maybe the missing ACLs is normal ? sunegibna01: LOG: RESTORE: sunegibna01: LOG: Cannot restore ACL on file 5156302 -- no ACL found on tape. sunegibna01: LOG: RESTORE: sunegibna01: LOG: Cannot restore ACL on file 19140323 -- no ACL found on tape. sunegibna01: LOG: RESTORE: sunegibna01: LOG: Cannot restore ACL on file 16670540 -- no ACL found on tape. sunegibna01: LOG: RESTORE: sunegibna01: LOG: Cannot restore ACL on file 13493699 -- no ACL found on tape. tw

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RE: Does Netapp send out new docs automatically or do you have to req uest them?
by Walters, Mike 03 May '01

03 May '01

The full documentation is available on the NOW site (I hope you're familiar with this - http://now.netapp.com) in either html format or downloadable (& zipped or tarred ;-) pdf form. AFAIK we do not automatically ship any documentation out. Go to the NOW service & Support Home page -> Access product Documentation & work down from there (Data ONTAP, Disk Shelves, Filers, NetCache, etc, etc) Hope this helps ! Mike -----Original Message----- From: Art Hebert [mailto:art@arzoon.com] Sent: 03 May 2001 00:34 To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Does Netapp send out new docs automatically or do you have to req uest them? We have docs based on an older release and are going to be upgrading out OS to 6.0, do we need to request new docs? Or does netapp send them out periodically after its designated FCS? Art Hebert Email: art(a)arzoon.com <mailto:art@arzoon.com> Arzoon IT Dept. Phone: 650 522-6125 Mobile: 650 444-8667

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RE: Backup solutions for NDMP with F740's
by Melvin, Grant 03 May '01

03 May '01

Hi Tom, Its possible that your backup throughput of 5-10 MB/sec via NDMP to a single DLT drive is limited by the DLT tape device. Anyone with a filer can run basic benchmarking on their filesystem(s) by running a test "dump to null" by running on the console or via rsh: dump 0f null /vol/vol_name Our rule of thumb is to add another 5% overhead in time for the actual writing to tape. Our supported tape devices has increased recently in 6.1 to include: AIT AIT-2 DLT7K DLT8K Mammoth-1 Mammoth-2 9840 3590E You may get faster throughput either by running concurrent qtree backups from each volume or by employing a faster tape device. I'll preempt the "when are you going to support LTO" question by saying we have this drive in our dev labs, but please speak to your sales team about availability of this and other tape devices. I would be interested in receiving either private or public (in this forum) what you (our customers) are planning to do regarding tape devices in the short & long term though. Cheers, Grant -----Original Message----- From: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau [mailto:MadDog@fool.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 3:21 PM To: 'Eric Hester'; ''Toasters@Mathworks. Com' ' Subject: RE: Backup solutions for NDMP with F740's Eric, When we went from over-the-wire backups to direct-attach NDMP backups, I saw a big increase in backup performance. Especially in incremental backups. NetApp is very good at finding changed files and dumping them to tape quickly, since on an NDMP backup WAFL figures out what has changed. If you're backing up over the network, your backup server has to parse your entire directory structure looking for changed files. WAFL, on the other hand, can just do an inode scan which is blazingly fast compared to walking a large directory tree over the wire. We generally see 5-10 MB/sec throughput via NDMP to a single DLT drive, depending on how well the data compresses. Oddly enough, database files compress really well and gzip'd files compress really poorly. :-) The only downside is that we use NetBackup 3.4, which does not support the NDMP "DAR" feature. Which means if you have a backup that spans three tapes, and you need to restore a 5K file that's on the third tape, you have to read the first two tapes and and to get to the file you need. So a restore can be painful. But, that is VERITAS' fault for not supporting DAR, and if you use Legato or Syncsort, I think you won't have this problem. (If anyone from VERITAS is on this list... DAR support would be really really nice!) MD -----Original Message----- From: Eric Hester [mailto:erich@nuvox.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 4:47 PM To: ''Toasters@Mathworks. Com' ' Subject: Backup solutions for NDMP with F740's We have been using an ADIC Scalar 218 for some time with our F740 cluster with fairly good results until recently. Our Netapps provide the storage for our Web and Mail clusters. We have experienced pretty serious growth and are seeing some significant slow downs in backup turnaround time. We have up until this point also just been backing up the data over NFS mounts to our NetBackup server. Being that most of the data comes from the mail server side and we use maildir, it is not a huge amount of data but is a huge number of smaller files. I'm not very confident that NDMP would completely correct the problem, but it seems that removing the network/nfs overhead couldn't hurt. I think I have made the decision to go with the ADIC Scalar 1000 with 2 drives dedicated to the Netapps (1 to each in the cluster) with NDMP and 4 more drives dedicated to the backup server for other systems. 2 questions: 1) What are some impressions on NDMP as a performance gain for backups? Right now the network does not seem to bottleneck the process as we have dedicated 100m links from the servers to a separate NFS/backup network, and 4 channel etherchannel from each netapp to that same network. From MRTG graphs this network is mostly idle (10-20m max) even during backups. I don't appear to be able to keep the DLT's saturated (in other words the activity light doesn't stay on the whole time, so it is not streaming non stop) during backups, and I don't know if this is NFS overhead, or there is another problem. Is NDMP more capable of keeping a DLT fully saturated and therefore more efficient, or do I still need to look at this as a Netbackup issue? 2) A little OT but - Does anyone have any good experience with this particular library (ADIC Scalar 1000)? I loved our smaller Scalar.. but have more long term experience with StorageTek. My salesperson has done a good job convincing me of the advantages of this box, and I am pretty much sold. Just curious if anyone else has any horror stories or glowing recommendations. Eric Hester Director of Systems Engineering NuVox Communications eric(a)nuvox.net

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Help With Dump of a Filer 760
by Reed, Irene 02 May '01

02 May '01

We currently own a Filer 760 running ONTAP 6.0.1.R3. Currently we are backing up Unix files via nfs mounts. Soon we plan to put a lot of NT data on the filer that needs to be backed up. Our agency backup software is Legato 6.01 running on AIX 4.3.3. This version of Legato is non NDMP aware so we cannot use it to backup the filer. I am considering buying a StorageTek L20 (10 slots with 1 DLT7000 drive) and attaching it directly to the filer via the onboard scsi adapter. I would like to use dump and restore to carry out the backups so that I do not have to buy another backup software solution. Netapp says this will work if I can put the L20 in sequential mode. Does anyone know what this means? Is anyone backing up a filer in this manner? If yes I would love to hear from you. Also any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. Irene Reed Texas Education Agency

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ndmp restore
by neil lehrer 02 May '01

02 May '01

hi, i have noticed, during testing, that ndmp restores don't tell you anything[at least for the sw i have looked at]. basically, if i didn't know any better, i would think, from looking at job reports, that the whole volume or qtree was restored. the dump messages don't say anything other than restore, we have read ..., and restoring NT ACLs. vendors say this is a limitation of ndmp. true? and that reports will be more intelligent when i move up to an ontap ver with DAR. comments? thanks

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Connecting a spectralogic Gator Tape Library to an 840
by Manny Kaiser 02 May '01

02 May '01

Hi, Can someone specify the exact card number I need to order in order to connect a Spectralogic Gator 12000 tape library directly (not through a switch) to a Netapp 840. I have two cards on the library, can I have two cards on the netapp? or can I have a dual card on the netapp? One additional bit of info, the library and netapp are about 50 meters apart. Thanks

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MRTG on 2000
by Seth Moskowitz 02 May '01

02 May '01

I was wondering if anyone has any experience with MRTG on Windows 2000. I have followed the instructions for installation and configuration. I have tried it running as a service as well as running via the scheduler. In both scenerios I seem to have the same problem which I assume is due to some kind of error on my part. Following the documentation as to install directories and defaults the HTML files are supposed to appear, from what I understand, in C:\NT-MRTG\Data\filername. All I am getting there are some files with the hostname like filer1_l and filer1.pl_l in C:\NT-MRTG\Data. There are no HTML files populating these areas and there are no directories with my files hostname. Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

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Re: ssh trusts?
by Rune Bakken 02 May '01

02 May '01

"Traitel, Eyal" <eyal(a)netapp.com> writes: > What do you mean by trust ? In such a way that you can ssh a command to a filer without having to type a password - similar to the way rsh works, but with more security. This is usually done by storing a ssh-identity public key that can be matched with the one used by an admin-user. >>>>>>>>>.rune -- Rune Bakken "I feel sorry for people who don't drink. System Administrator When they wake up in the morning, that's as Nextra, good as they're going to feel all day." - Telenor Company - Frank Sinatra

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RE: Adding a 36gb shelf to F740 with 18gb shelves
by Mohler, Jeff 01 May '01

01 May '01

I had fears that the raid group size would be stored in the raid group by some pernicious machinations, but Jeff assuaged any such trepidations. I'll bet Jeff's life on it. --- Gee..thanks. *g* If anyone has filers in South Miami Beach, Malaysia, or Buffalo (during a home Sabres or Bills game)..Im not totally against being flown out there to type 'df' on your filer or something. I -may- even bring swag from Sam's desk.

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RE: Backup solutions for NDMP with F740's
by Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau 01 May '01

01 May '01

Eric, When we went from over-the-wire backups to direct-attach NDMP backups, I saw a big increase in backup performance. Especially in incremental backups. NetApp is very good at finding changed files and dumping them to tape quickly, since on an NDMP backup WAFL figures out what has changed. If you're backing up over the network, your backup server has to parse your entire directory structure looking for changed files. WAFL, on the other hand, can just do an inode scan which is blazingly fast compared to walking a large directory tree over the wire. We generally see 5-10 MB/sec throughput via NDMP to a single DLT drive, depending on how well the data compresses. Oddly enough, database files compress really well and gzip'd files compress really poorly. :-) The only downside is that we use NetBackup 3.4, which does not support the NDMP "DAR" feature. Which means if you have a backup that spans three tapes, and you need to restore a 5K file that's on the third tape, you have to read the first two tapes and and to get to the file you need. So a restore can be painful. But, that is VERITAS' fault for not supporting DAR, and if you use Legato or Syncsort, I think you won't have this problem. (If anyone from VERITAS is on this list... DAR support would be really really nice!) MD -----Original Message----- From: Eric Hester [mailto:erich@nuvox.net] Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2001 4:47 PM To: ''Toasters@Mathworks. Com' ' Subject: Backup solutions for NDMP with F740's We have been using an ADIC Scalar 218 for some time with our F740 cluster with fairly good results until recently. Our Netapps provide the storage for our Web and Mail clusters. We have experienced pretty serious growth and are seeing some significant slow downs in backup turnaround time. We have up until this point also just been backing up the data over NFS mounts to our NetBackup server. Being that most of the data comes from the mail server side and we use maildir, it is not a huge amount of data but is a huge number of smaller files. I'm not very confident that NDMP would completely correct the problem, but it seems that removing the network/nfs overhead couldn't hurt. I think I have made the decision to go with the ADIC Scalar 1000 with 2 drives dedicated to the Netapps (1 to each in the cluster) with NDMP and 4 more drives dedicated to the backup server for other systems. 2 questions: 1) What are some impressions on NDMP as a performance gain for backups? Right now the network does not seem to bottleneck the process as we have dedicated 100m links from the servers to a separate NFS/backup network, and 4 channel etherchannel from each netapp to that same network. From MRTG graphs this network is mostly idle (10-20m max) even during backups. I don't appear to be able to keep the DLT's saturated (in other words the activity light doesn't stay on the whole time, so it is not streaming non stop) during backups, and I don't know if this is NFS overhead, or there is another problem. Is NDMP more capable of keeping a DLT fully saturated and therefore more efficient, or do I still need to look at this as a Netbackup issue? 2) A little OT but - Does anyone have any good experience with this particular library (ADIC Scalar 1000)? I loved our smaller Scalar.. but have more long term experience with StorageTek. My salesperson has done a good job convincing me of the advantages of this box, and I am pretty much sold. Just curious if anyone else has any horror stories or glowing recommendations. Eric Hester Director of Systems Engineering NuVox Communications eric(a)nuvox.net

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ndmpcopy changes root permissions
by Chris Craft 01 May '01

01 May '01

When I run ndmpcopy as root: #/usr/local/ndmp/src/ndmpcopy -v machA:/vol/corp/old machB:/vol/sw3/old my permissions are changed to d--------- as follows: Before the ndmpcopy (from) directory and permissions: # ls -ld /net/machA/vol/corp/old drwxrwxrwx 8 root other 4096 Mar 20 1999 /net/machA/vol/corp/old After the ndmpcopy (to) directory and permissions: # ls -ld /net/machB/vol/sw3/old d--------- 8 root other 4096 Mar 20 1999 /net/machB/vol/sw3/old exportfs machA corp -root=roothost machB sw3 -root=roothost cifs shares machA corp everyone /full control machB sw3 everyone /full control machA and machB are 840c with 5.3.7R2 Any input would be appreciated. PS machA:/vola/dir to machA:/volb/dir doesn't change the permissions. Permissions aren't changed for directories that aren't owned by root. Ndmpcopy works fine for these directories.

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