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Unable to delete folder
by Matt Graham 09 May '01

09 May '01

For some reason my filer won't let me delete a couple of folders. I have run into this problem before. It says access denied or folder in use, but I have administrative rights and I don't believe the folders to be in use (They are empty). If the directories are somehow open or locked, how do I determine what client has them open? How can I force the filer to relinquish the folders. The directories are located within a NTFS style qtree. Thanks, Matt Graham

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RE: floppy shuffle
by Mohler, Jeff 09 May '01

09 May '01

For diagnostic purposes...the F8xx series filers have diagnostics on-board, and you can access them from the console with or without a working bootable image. -----Original Message----- From: Mr. G. D. Geen [mailto:geen@ti.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:57 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: floppy shuffle I have talked to my PSE about this before. When we went to two floppies, this wasn't so bad. Now we are three floppies and I suggested a bootable CD-ROM drive. Maybe in the next generation shelf. I would rather burn a CD as I, too, have trouble coughing up enough floppies for this operation. Consider, also, that the F700 series is Alpha based and the F800 series is Intel based. This means two sets of floppies for me. Fortunately my F520s are going back on lease and I do not have any more F330s. I could not even imagine an NAFS1400 today -- Yow! Personally, I do not see this as whining but a request to the Lords of NetApp. For OS upgrades, one only need transfer the system files and perform an "download" then reboot from HDD after that. No biggie there. When running diagnostics on the mother board and having to run across the data centre becomes a pain, though I do get my exercise in for the day. The Victoria Bitters Physical Fitness operating system. :-) My $.02. Who get's the change? -gdg Rob Windsor wrote: > On Wed, 09 May 2001 15:54:20 EDT, Thomas.L.White(a)chase.com wrote: > > > Wodda bunch O'Whiners! > > how often do you actually boot from floppies! > > oh- maybe once at upgrade. > > yeah, big "maybe" there. :> > > I don't think I've ever booted from floppy during an upgrade (except for > that one time the upgrade triggered a filesystem-related bug -- it went > corrupt and I had to run WAFL_check). > > More to the point, when I have to perform a WAFL_check under the gun, I'd > rather not have to dig around for a fistful of floppies required to boot > the filer for maint. Now we are FOUR TIMES more likely to encounter an > aborted boot due to a floppy infected with bitrot. It is time to whine. > > (How many folks keep a box of fresh, new diskettes around specifically for > new revisions of ONTAP? How many just grab the first N unassigned > floppies they see laying around their desk? How many use one floppy and > re-image it on-the-fly as the filer asks for it? :) > > Rob++ > ---------------------------------------- > Rob Windsor E-Mail - mailto:rob_windsor@adc.com > Senior Unix Systems Administrator Voice - phone:972-680-6919 > Computer Services Fax - phone:972-680-0370 > Broadband Access and Transport Group __o > ADC Telecommunications _`\<,_ > Richardson, TX 75082 (_)/ (_)

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by ANTIGEN_QUARTER 09 May '01

09 May '01

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floppy shuffle
by Todd C. Merrill 09 May '01

09 May '01

Sorry to dredge up an old thread... ONTAP 6.0.1R3: three floppies! ONTAP 6.1R1: *four* floppies!! You guys are killin' me. I haven't had to do floppy shuffles like this since the days of floppy-boot Macintosh's. I can't even *find* any floppies to put these on, not even AOL ones. Until next time... The Mathworks, Inc. 508-647-7000 x7792 3 Apple Hill Drive, Natick, MA 01760-2098 508-647-7001 FAX tmerrill(a)mathworks.com http://www.mathworks.com ---

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Question
by Michael Homa 09 May '01

09 May '01

Hi. My name is Michael Homa and I'm a system programmer at the University of Illinois at Chicago. We have a single 740 which we use to contain university and department web pages. We have six Novell servers that we use to service PC machines in our student labs. The servers contain home space and applications. We are considering replacing the servers with two or more netapps (we'd use the 740 and buy one or more additional machines - number of and model type are still in doubt). We'd put the home directories and applications on the netapp and let users access them via shares. We estimate that we would have approximately 3,000 sessions with as yet an undetermined number of both shares and open files. Of the 3,000, we don't have an estimates how many of these sessions will be active. (Since inactive sessions don't appear to be swapped to disk, the number of inactive sessions doesn't really matter.) The netapp folks send us the following information regarding models 740 and 820 (the two models we're considering): 740 820 ----- --- RAM 512MB 1GB Max Users/Sessions 7,200 16,000 Max Shares 14,400 32,000 Max Open Files 144,000 320,000 Max Locked Files 160,384 352,768 num_64mb 8 16 The formulas that they use are as follows: 740: maxusers = ((num_64mb - 2) * 1000) + 1200 820: maxusers = ((num_64mb - 3) * 1000) + 3000 maxshares = 2 * maxusers maxopenfiles = 20 maxusers maxlockedfiles = maxopenfiles + (num_64mb * 2048) The formulas gives us an indication of what is permitted. But, they don't give us an sense of performance with such large numbers. Has anybody else tried to hang so many users off one or more netapps? If so, what kind of performance did your users see? The Netappliance folks haven't exactly overwhelmed us with the names of sites doing something similar on such a large scale. I'd appreciate any feedback. Thanks. Michael Homa Academic Computing and Communication Center University of Illinois at Chicago email: mhoma(a)uic.edu

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FCAL Question
by Honeycutt, Michael 09 May '01

09 May '01

Is anyone using the dual port FCAL's yet? I just received a shipment I ordered and am planning on putting them in next weekend. Looking for anyone with good/bad stories of moving from single to dual port cards. Thanks. Michael Honeycutt MCSE/A+ NT/Exchange Engineer IBM Global Services

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09 May '01

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FYI: Virus Alert
by Kunihiko.Motoyoshi 09 May '01

09 May '01

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WorldSecure Notification
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09 May '01

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WorldSecure Notification
by WorldSecure 09 May '01

09 May '01

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ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found and action taken.
by System Attendant 09 May '01

09 May '01

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09 May '01

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Antigen found =*.vbs file
by ANTIGEN_QUARTER 09 May '01

09 May '01

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Homepage
by Matti Ryymin 09 May '01

09 May '01

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by Matti Ryymin 09 May '01

09 May '01

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RE: Looking for email sent to this list sometime back
by Cormier, Darleen 08 May '01

08 May '01

Hi William, GoTo http://teaparty.mathworks.com:1999/toasters.html <http://teaparty.mathworks.com:1999/toasters.html> and you can search the list archives from there. -----Original Message----- From: William Hahn [mailto:hahnw@psi.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 1:25 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Looking for email sent to this list sometime back Is this list archived someplace so I can search it? A while back someone sent a pin out to the console wiring for a F720, I could use it. -- William Hahn

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Looking for email sent to this list sometime back
by William Hahn 08 May '01

08 May '01

Is this list archived someplace so I can search it? A while back someone sent a pin out to the console wiring for a F720, I could use it. -- William Hahn

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Re: HSM with Net App Filers?
by Duncan Wright 08 May '01

08 May '01

Hello Joe, Darleen, Neil (are you 'toasters'?), Tom, Stan May I introduce myself. My name is Duncan Wright, and I am the Managing Director of Enigma Data Systems. Thank you for enquiries about our HSM solution - I hope to answer a few questions in this e-mail, but please do contact me if you have further questions. Our principal market is the upstream Oil and Gas sector where many terabytes of data are collected and processed several times to determine hydrocarbon prospects worldwide. Our customers include all the big ones like ExxonMobil, Shell, bp, Anadarko etc. Some customers are also Network Appliance clients aswell - for instance, Anadarko ordered 17TB of Filers last week, and our software will be responsible for managing the datasets - including project archiving and HSM. I don't want to bore you with all the details, so will be brief!!. Our software is designed to handle large volumes of data and high speed robotic libraries . One of our biggest benefits is that our software is project based. The oil industry works in projects - like a block/lease of sea bed in the Gulf of Mexico, or an interpretation project which is smaller, and where a drilling opportunity may exist. A project can include Oracle with pointers to files spread over several filesystems, and indeed systems. A project can include several people and dozens of applications and a variety of file types. Outside the oil industry, a project could be the flaps on a Boeing 737, or an engine at Ford. In the end we all work in projects, even in Microsoft Office. A project could be a filesystem, or a person!. We have a number of products, but the ones of interest to you will be (I think!), IDS (Intelligent Data Store) - the I/O layer that allows any application to interface to tape libraries, without modification to the application, PARS (Project Archiving and Retrieval System) and in particular, PARS Migrator. Let me concentrate on PARS Migrator. PARS Migrator is project based HSM. We embed Veritas's HSM engine to handle the 'movement' of files from the disk to tape. One of the issues with standard HSM is that it works 'in a panic'!!. It is reactive and doesn't allow predictions, or scheduling or 'what if' scenario's.. It causes network overload and I/O overload by generating simultaneous reads and writes and concentrates precious CPU cycles on swapping out data instead of executing users applications. These always happen in peak time!!. PARS Migrator has a management layer that allows previews, scheduling, and most important - projects to move on and off disk. We have a whole presentation on this as I am sure you can imagine, and an e-mail does not do justice. But suffice to say that the HSM interface to IDS has been written by Veritas, and is maintained by Veritas. We are an OEM for Veritas and actively market their HSM and Netbackup products. We believe that IDS is a much simpler I/O layer than Veritas's Media Manager, with the added advantage that we can make your robots work 24 hours a day because any application can interface to IDS, so silo's for backup, HSM, and general near line are eliminated and concentrated on a single I/O layer and a single tape library run by IDS. Our focus is on reducing the cost of data. Hardware costs maybe reducing very quickly but the cost of ownership of, and the cost of data is rising as rapidly as volumes increase almost out of control. Enigma believes that it has products that can cap the cost of ownership of data and make data accessible to your users in a timely manner - personnel costs are sometimes the highest cost of all, and having them wait hours, or even days for data is a major barrier to productivity. I promised to be brief, but have failed!!. I hope that I given you an understanding into Enigma and our products. We have offices in Houston and the UK, and support customers all over the world in countries like Brunei, Nigeria, Egypt and far off lands like Australia from our bases in the Texas and Sussex. We have a pedigree in managing large volumes of data of a diverse nature and will be delighted to work with you on your HSM requirements. We are working with Network Appliance to provide an HSM solution to its clients. Thank you for your time, and I look forward to the possibility of working with you in the future. Kind regards Duncan Wright ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Luchtenberg" <joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com> To: "'Cormier, Darleen'" <Darleen.Cormier(a)netapp.com> Cc: <dwright(a)enigmadata.com> Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 11:25 AM Subject: RE: HSM with filers? > Thanks. I saw your previous reply to Neil and realized that I need to learn > more about Enigma Data, so I have requested additional info from them. Joe > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cormier, Darleen [mailto:Darleen.Cormier@netapp.com] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 12:16 PM > To: Joe Luchtenberg; Cormier, Darleen; 'Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau'; > 'toasters(a)mathworks.com'; 'dwright(a)enigmadata.com' > Subject: RE: HSM with filers? > > > What you are saying is true, Joe. A customer does not buy Veritas' Storage > Migrator and then buy Enigma Data. Enigma Data has Veritas Storage Migrator > already integrated into their "stuff". Veritas' package, by itself, is not > compatible with filers. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Luchtenberg [mailto:joe.luchtenberg@data-line.com] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 8:59 AM > To: 'Cormier, Darleen'; 'Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau'; > 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: RE: HSM with filers? > > > Darleen, > Would you please elaborate? A cursory look at Enigma Data's website reveals > that the HSM part of their solution is Veritas Storage Migrator, which is > not interoperable with NetApp filers (unless I am completely misinformed). > Am I missing something here, or are the customers to which you refer > concurrently using NetApp and Enigma/Veritas storage solutions but not > integrating them? Joe > > Joe Luchtenberg > Dataline, Inc. > 757.858.0600 > 757.285.1223 (cell) > 757.858.0606 (fax) > joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com > www.data-line.com > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Cormier, Darleen [mailto:Darleen.Cormier@netapp.com] > Sent: Friday, May 04, 2001 10:57 AM > To: 'Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: RE: HSM with filers? > > > Hi Tom, Just to let you know, we do have some NetApp customers both using > and evaluating a package called Enigma Data. www.enigmadata.com You might > want to talk to them and see if their package will meet your needs. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tom "Mad Dog" Yergeau [mailto:MadDog@fool.com] > Sent: Thursday, May 03, 2001 10:48 PM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: HSM with filers? > > > I just took the NetApp backup survey that they sent out and one of the > questions was about using hierarchical storage management with filers. > > Does anyone know of any HSM products out there that currently work with > filers? > > Thanks, > Tom >

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RE: NDMP, Veritas and Netapp---slow restores?
by Cormier, Darleen 08 May '01

08 May '01

To Mike and all, Correction to the info below. I just received an update to the info below, that Veritas will NOT be including DAR support in release 4.5, but probably will be including it in the release after that. -----Original Message----- From: Cormier, Darleen Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 9:01 AM To: 'MikeBall(a)datalink.com'; owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: NDMP, Veritas and Netapp---slow restores? Mike, The problem you are running into has to do with the fact that Veritas does not presently support DAR. DAR is defined as Direct Access Restore, and it speeds restores by directly accessing the file to be restored on the correct tape, without having to load and stream through each tape in the backup set. NetApp now supports this capability in DatONTAP 6.0 and above, and I believe Veritas is planning on supporting this in their 4.5 release of NetBackup. -----Original Message----- From: MikeBall(a)datalink.com [mailto:MikeBall@datalink.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 5:43 AM To: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: NDMP, Veritas and Netapp---slow restores? Below is our environment ------------------------- Veritas DataCenter 3.4GA Patch J0850482 on Sun e250 2 400M procs and 512M ram ATL3000 Tape Library with DLT-7000 drives NetApp 760 Filer running OnTap 5.3.6R1 2 tape drives directly attached to the onboard SCSI port on Netapp Netapp is attached to LAN by gigabit ethernet Scenario ------------ We are backing up the nightly snapshots. We have a Netapp backup class. I have had to give each class the NEW_STREAM directive in order to get multiple jobs started, but unlike the other Veritas jobs, they line up in a queue and execute one at a time. Restores are quite slow, and while I can pick individual files out of a catalog, neither Veritas nor OnTap has any idea where they are on the tape. I have used the OnTap utilities to check status on the drive and seen it searching serially thru the tape for the file. The Veritas messages are very sparse. The first time I tried a restore, I had a 168Gb volume in one stream. It eventually took 5.5 hours to restore, and that was after I killed the job because I had no feedback from Veritas, having to reset the tape drives because they were downed by the kill. By splitting up the streams, I got this down to about an hour, but it is still slow enough to be an issue. Does anyone have any idea what I may be doing wrong or is this just a issue with Veritas NDMP? Does anyone no if Veritas is planning on fixing this slow restore performance via NDMP? Will upgrading to Data Ontap 6.02 help any? Thank you for your help, Mike

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Maximum volume size
by Leigh David Heyman 08 May '01

08 May '01

So, I've been through some docs, and they seem to say that the maximum "recommended" size of a single volume is 250G. With 36G drives this equates to basically 1 volume per shelf???!?! Is this correct, or has the documentation in this regard not been updated? Does anyon know what this "recommendation" is based on? It doesn't seem very efficient. -Leigh ----------------------------- A nasty looking dwarf throws a knife at you.

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RE: NDMP, Veritas and Netapp---slow restores?
by Cormier, Darleen 08 May '01

08 May '01

Mike, The problem you are running into has to do with the fact that Veritas does not presently support DAR. DAR is defined as Direct Access Restore, and it speeds restores by directly accessing the file to be restored on the correct tape, without having to load and stream through each tape in the backup set. NetApp now supports this capability in DatONTAP 6.0 and above, and I believe Veritas is planning on supporting this in their 4.5 release of NetBackup. -----Original Message----- From: MikeBall(a)datalink.com [mailto:MikeBall@datalink.com] Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2001 5:43 AM To: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: NDMP, Veritas and Netapp---slow restores? Below is our environment ------------------------- Veritas DataCenter 3.4GA Patch J0850482 on Sun e250 2 400M procs and 512M ram ATL3000 Tape Library with DLT-7000 drives NetApp 760 Filer running OnTap 5.3.6R1 2 tape drives directly attached to the onboard SCSI port on Netapp Netapp is attached to LAN by gigabit ethernet Scenario ------------ We are backing up the nightly snapshots. We have a Netapp backup class. I have had to give each class the NEW_STREAM directive in order to get multiple jobs started, but unlike the other Veritas jobs, they line up in a queue and execute one at a time. Restores are quite slow, and while I can pick individual files out of a catalog, neither Veritas nor OnTap has any idea where they are on the tape. I have used the OnTap utilities to check status on the drive and seen it searching serially thru the tape for the file. The Veritas messages are very sparse. The first time I tried a restore, I had a 168Gb volume in one stream. It eventually took 5.5 hours to restore, and that was after I killed the job because I had no feedback from Veritas, having to reset the tape drives because they were downed by the kill. By splitting up the streams, I got this down to about an hour, but it is still slow enough to be an issue. Does anyone have any idea what I may be doing wrong or is this just a issue with Veritas NDMP? Does anyone no if Veritas is planning on fixing this slow restore performance via NDMP? Will upgrading to Data Ontap 6.02 help any? Thank you for your help, Mike

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