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RE: floppy shuffle
by Mike Sphar 09 May '01

09 May '01

My company keeps boxes of new floppy disks stocked as office supplies with all the other office supplies like pens, paper, staples, etc. So I can always grab a box of fresh floppies any time I need them. I'm amazed other companies don't do the same. Also, perhaps I'm just lucky, but not only have I never needed to boot off the floppies, except for once doing a firmware upgrade, but I've never had to run wafl_check either. -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Engineering Support Services - Remedy Corporation BOFH, GWP, MCP, MCP+I, MCSE, BFD -----Original Message----- From: Rob Windsor [mailto:windsor@adc.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:18 PM To: Thomas.L.White(a)chase.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: floppy shuffle (How many folks keep a box of fresh, new diskettes around specifically for new revisions of ONTAP? How many just grab the first N unassigned floppies they see laying around their desk? How many use one floppy and re-image it on-the-fly as the filer asks for it? :)

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RE: floppy shuffle
by Dorfner, Richard 09 May '01

09 May '01

To the best of my knowlege , this is a documented feature which we support. Hopefully it's something you never *NEED*. But since we often have PSE's installing the hardware for our customers, we wanted to make the full blown diagnostics available to them in case things went awry at the customer site. It can be horribly frustrating to be there ready to install something only to find that you don't have the diagnostic disks with you or to find that the diagnostic disks are corrupted. We had a ton of space in the flash memory for the f8xx series, so we decided to put the diagnostics in there. Now if can just convince my boss to let me implement and release an ascii based Quake engine in forth....:) Rick Dorfner OFW Guy Network Appliance > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 3:59 PM > To: Dorfner, Richard > Cc: 'Mr. G. D. Geen'; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: floppy shuffle > > > Is this a documented and supported feature, or considered > "Secret Ninja" > and use-at-your-own-risk? > > -- Jeff > > > On Wed, May 09, 2001 at 03:22:26PM -0700, Dorfner, Richard wrote: > > Yes, the OFW command at the okay prompt for that is 'sys-diag'. > > > > Rick Dorfner > > OFW guy > > Network Appliance. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mohler, Jeff [mailto:jeff.mohler@netapp.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:32 PM > > > To: 'Mr. G. D. Geen'; toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > Subject: RE: floppy shuffle > > > > > > > > > For diagnostic purposes...the F8xx series filers have > > > diagnostics on-board, and you can access them from the > > > console with or without a working bootable image. > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Mr. G. D. Geen [mailto:geen@ti.com] > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:57 PM > > > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > > > Subject: Re: floppy shuffle > > > > > > > > > I have talked to my PSE about this before. When we went to > > > two floppies, this > > > wasn't so bad. Now we are three floppies and I suggested a > > > bootable CD-ROM > > > drive. Maybe in the next generation shelf. I would rather > > > burn a CD as I, > > > too, have trouble coughing up enough floppies for this > > > operation. Consider, > > > also, that the F700 series is Alpha based and the F800 series > > > is Intel based. > > > This means two sets of floppies for me. Fortunately my F520s > > > are going back > > > on lease and I do not have any more F330s. I could not even > > > imagine an > > > NAFS1400 today -- Yow! > > > > > > Personally, I do not see this as whining but a request to the > > > Lords of NetApp. > > > > > > For OS upgrades, one only need transfer the system files and > > > perform an > > > "download" then reboot from HDD after that. No biggie there. > > > When running > > > diagnostics on the mother board and having to run across the > > > data centre > > > becomes a pain, though I do get my exercise in for the day. > > > The Victoria > > > Bitters Physical Fitness operating system. :-) > > > > > > My $.02. Who get's the change? > > > > > > -gdg > > > > > > Rob Windsor wrote: > > > > > > > On Wed, 09 May 2001 15:54:20 EDT, > Thomas.L.White(a)chase.com wrote: > > > > > > > > > Wodda bunch O'Whiners! > > > > > how often do you actually boot from floppies! > > > > > oh- maybe once at upgrade. > > > > > > > > yeah, big "maybe" there. :> > > > > > > > > I don't think I've ever booted from floppy during an > > > upgrade (except for > > > > that one time the upgrade triggered a filesystem-related > > > bug -- it went > > > > corrupt and I had to run WAFL_check). > > > > > > > > More to the point, when I have to perform a WAFL_check > > > under the gun, I'd > > > > rather not have to dig around for a fistful of floppies > > > required to boot > > > > the filer for maint. Now we are FOUR TIMES more likely to > > > encounter an > > > > aborted boot due to a floppy infected with bitrot. It is > > > time to whine. > > > > > > > > (How many folks keep a box of fresh, new diskettes around > > > specifically for > > > > new revisions of ONTAP? How many just grab the first N > unassigned > > > > floppies they see laying around their desk? How many use > > > one floppy and > > > > re-image it on-the-fly as the filer asks for it? :) > > > > > > > > Rob++ > > > > ---------------------------------------- > > > > Rob Windsor E-Mail - > > mailto:rob_windsor@adc.com > > > Senior Unix Systems Administrator Voice - > phone:972-680-6919 > > > Computer Services Fax - > phone:972-680-0370 > > > Broadband Access and Transport Group > __o > > > ADC Telecommunications > _`\<,_ > > > Richardson, TX 75082 > (_)/ (_) > > >

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RE: floppy shuffle
by Dorfner, Richard 09 May '01

09 May '01

Yes, the OFW command at the okay prompt for that is 'sys-diag'. Rick Dorfner OFW guy Network Appliance. > -----Original Message----- > From: Mohler, Jeff [mailto:jeff.mohler@netapp.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:32 PM > To: 'Mr. G. D. Geen'; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: RE: floppy shuffle > > > For diagnostic purposes...the F8xx series filers have > diagnostics on-board, and you can access them from the > console with or without a working bootable image. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Mr. G. D. Geen [mailto:geen@ti.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:57 PM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: floppy shuffle > > > I have talked to my PSE about this before. When we went to > two floppies, this > wasn't so bad. Now we are three floppies and I suggested a > bootable CD-ROM > drive. Maybe in the next generation shelf. I would rather > burn a CD as I, > too, have trouble coughing up enough floppies for this > operation. Consider, > also, that the F700 series is Alpha based and the F800 series > is Intel based. > This means two sets of floppies for me. Fortunately my F520s > are going back > on lease and I do not have any more F330s. I could not even > imagine an > NAFS1400 today -- Yow! > > Personally, I do not see this as whining but a request to the > Lords of NetApp. > > For OS upgrades, one only need transfer the system files and > perform an > "download" then reboot from HDD after that. No biggie there. > When running > diagnostics on the mother board and having to run across the > data centre > becomes a pain, though I do get my exercise in for the day. > The Victoria > Bitters Physical Fitness operating system. :-) > > My $.02. Who get's the change? > > -gdg > > Rob Windsor wrote: > > > On Wed, 09 May 2001 15:54:20 EDT, Thomas.L.White(a)chase.com wrote: > > > > > Wodda bunch O'Whiners! > > > how often do you actually boot from floppies! > > > oh- maybe once at upgrade. > > > > yeah, big "maybe" there. :> > > > > I don't think I've ever booted from floppy during an > upgrade (except for > > that one time the upgrade triggered a filesystem-related > bug -- it went > > corrupt and I had to run WAFL_check). > > > > More to the point, when I have to perform a WAFL_check > under the gun, I'd > > rather not have to dig around for a fistful of floppies > required to boot > > the filer for maint. Now we are FOUR TIMES more likely to > encounter an > > aborted boot due to a floppy infected with bitrot. It is > time to whine. > > > > (How many folks keep a box of fresh, new diskettes around > specifically for > > new revisions of ONTAP? How many just grab the first N unassigned > > floppies they see laying around their desk? How many use > one floppy and > > re-image it on-the-fly as the filer asks for it? :) > > > > Rob++ > > ---------------------------------------- > > Rob Windsor E-Mail - mailto:rob_windsor@adc.com > Senior Unix Systems Administrator Voice - phone:972-680-6919 > Computer Services Fax - phone:972-680-0370 > Broadband Access and Transport Group __o > ADC Telecommunications _`\<,_ > Richardson, TX 75082 (_)/ (_)

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RE: Quotas
by Francett, Robert D (SAIC) 09 May '01

09 May '01

Robert, You'll get the 'disk quota exceeded' message on the filer when the user attempts write & the write will fail. What you might consider, to make life easier all around, is a blanket message to your users, if that's feasible, and request the users clean house prior to the quotas invocation. Then identify the users who ignored your request and add them to your quotas file at, or slightly above, their current use. After they've responded and cleaned-up below the quota, remove the special entries. Example (quota entries for user home directories): /vol/users tree 50G 500K #user volume * user@/vol/users 100M 3K #quotas for all users joe user@/vol/users 1500K 3K #transgressor beth user@/vol/users 2600K 4K #transgressor Of course, this path of action is much easier if most users clean-up below the intended quotas. Regards, Bob Francett BP Exploration Alaska -----Original Message----- From: Robert Wiebke [mailto:wiebke@lucent.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 11:02 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Quotas We're looking to retroactively implement a 100mb quota on most of our users. Many of these users are are above 100mb at the moment. My question is how does Filer treat a new quota if the user is already above the specified quota? Will it fail, or just not allow any more writes to disk? I looked on the NOW site but I could not seem to find an answer to this question. Thanks in advance.

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RE: Unable to delete folder
by Muhlestein, Mark 09 May '01

09 May '01

This may just be the DOS read-only bit. If that's not it, you might review the security troubleshooter: http://now.netapp.com/NOW/knowledge/docs/olio/guides/53_troubleshooting/ind… Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Graham [mailto:mgraham@resgen.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:54 PM > To: toasters > Subject: Unable to delete folder > > > For some reason my filer won't let me delete a couple of > folders. I have run > into this problem before. It says access denied or folder in > use, but I have > administrative rights and I don't believe the folders to be > in use (They are > empty). If the directories are somehow open or locked, how > do I determine what > client has them open? How can I force the filer to > relinquish the folders. > > The directories are located within a NTFS style qtree. > > Thanks, > Matt Graham >

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Re: floppy shuffle
by Thomas.L.White＠chase.com 09 May '01

09 May '01

Wodda bunch O'Whiners! how often do you actually boot from floppies! oh- maybe once at upgrade. tw Rob Windsor <windsor(a)adc.com>@mathworks.com on 05/09/2001 03:16:11 PM Please respond to Rob Windsor <windsor(a)adc.com> Sent by: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com To: toasters(a)mathworks.com cc: Subject: Re: floppy shuffle On Wed, 09 May 2001 15:06:13 EDT, "Todd C. Merrill" wrote: > Sorry to dredge up an old thread... > ONTAP 6.0.1R3: three floppies! > ONTAP 6.1R1: *four* floppies!! > You guys are killin' me. I haven't had to do floppy shuffles like this > since the days of floppy-boot Macintosh's. I can't even *find* any > floppies to put these on, not even AOL ones. Sounds like they need to move to bootable CDs. (distribute ISO images) Rob++ ---------------------------------------

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Re: Unable to delete folder
by Matt Graham 09 May '01

09 May '01

No, they are within a qtree that is being shared, but they are not specifically shared themselves. Matt "Honeycutt, Michael" wrote: > > Are the folders being shared? If so, you have to stop the share first. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Graham [mailto:mgraham@resgen.com] > Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 5:54 PM > To: toasters > Subject: Unable to delete folder > > For some reason my filer won't let me delete a couple of folders. I have > run > into this problem before. It says access denied or folder in use, but I > have > administrative rights and I don't believe the folders to be in use (They are > empty). If the directories are somehow open or locked, how do I determine > what > client has them open? How can I force the filer to relinquish the folders. > > The directories are located within a NTFS style qtree. > > Thanks, > Matt Graham

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RE: Unable to delete folder
by Francett, Robert D (SAIC) 09 May '01

09 May '01

Matt, Sounds like you have a CIFS share to that data that needs removal, then you should be able to delete it. Regards, Bob Francett -----Original Message----- From: Matt Graham [mailto:mgraham@resgen.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:54 PM To: toasters Subject: Unable to delete folder For some reason my filer won't let me delete a couple of folders. I have run into this problem before. It says access denied or folder in use, but I have administrative rights and I don't believe the folders to be in use (They are empty). If the directories are somehow open or locked, how do I determine what client has them open? How can I force the filer to relinquish the folders. The directories are located within a NTFS style qtree. Thanks, Matt Graham

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RE: floppy shuffle
by Knight, Graham 09 May '01

09 May '01

Don't forget that at 6.x and above you can interrupt the boot cycle from hard disk with a CTRL-C and it will give you the "floppy boot" menu that we all know and love. Graham -----Original Message----- From: Rob Windsor [mailto:windsor@adc.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 2:18 PM To: Thomas.L.White(a)chase.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: floppy shuffle On Wed, 09 May 2001 15:54:20 EDT, Thomas.L.White(a)chase.com wrote: > Wodda bunch O'Whiners! > how often do you actually boot from floppies! > oh- maybe once at upgrade. yeah, big "maybe" there. :> I don't think I've ever booted from floppy during an upgrade (except for that one time the upgrade triggered a filesystem-related bug -- it went corrupt and I had to run WAFL_check). More to the point, when I have to perform a WAFL_check under the gun, I'd rather not have to dig around for a fistful of floppies required to boot the filer for maint. Now we are FOUR TIMES more likely to encounter an aborted boot due to a floppy infected with bitrot. It is time to whine. (How many folks keep a box of fresh, new diskettes around specifically for new revisions of ONTAP? How many just grab the first N unassigned floppies they see laying around their desk? How many use one floppy and re-image it on-the-fly as the filer asks for it? :) Rob++ ---------------------------------------- Rob Windsor E-Mail - mailto:rob_windsor@adc.com Senior Unix Systems Administrator Voice - phone:972-680-6919 Computer Services Fax - phone:972-680-0370 Broadband Access and Transport Group __o ADC Telecommunications _`\<,_ Richardson, TX 75082 (_)/ (_)

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Unable to delete folder
by Matt Graham 09 May '01

09 May '01

For some reason my filer won't let me delete a couple of folders. I have run into this problem before. It says access denied or folder in use, but I have administrative rights and I don't believe the folders to be in use (They are empty). If the directories are somehow open or locked, how do I determine what client has them open? How can I force the filer to relinquish the folders. The directories are located within a NTFS style qtree. Thanks, Matt Graham

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RE: floppy shuffle
by Mohler, Jeff 09 May '01

09 May '01

For diagnostic purposes...the F8xx series filers have diagnostics on-board, and you can access them from the console with or without a working bootable image. -----Original Message----- From: Mr. G. D. Geen [mailto:geen@ti.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2001 1:57 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: floppy shuffle I have talked to my PSE about this before. When we went to two floppies, this wasn't so bad. Now we are three floppies and I suggested a bootable CD-ROM drive. Maybe in the next generation shelf. I would rather burn a CD as I, too, have trouble coughing up enough floppies for this operation. Consider, also, that the F700 series is Alpha based and the F800 series is Intel based. This means two sets of floppies for me. Fortunately my F520s are going back on lease and I do not have any more F330s. I could not even imagine an NAFS1400 today -- Yow! Personally, I do not see this as whining but a request to the Lords of NetApp. For OS upgrades, one only need transfer the system files and perform an "download" then reboot from HDD after that. No biggie there. When running diagnostics on the mother board and having to run across the data centre becomes a pain, though I do get my exercise in for the day. The Victoria Bitters Physical Fitness operating system. :-) My $.02. Who get's the change? -gdg Rob Windsor wrote: > On Wed, 09 May 2001 15:54:20 EDT, Thomas.L.White(a)chase.com wrote: > > > Wodda bunch O'Whiners! > > how often do you actually boot from floppies! > > oh- maybe once at upgrade. > > yeah, big "maybe" there. :> > > I don't think I've ever booted from floppy during an upgrade (except for > that one time the upgrade triggered a filesystem-related bug -- it went > corrupt and I had to run WAFL_check). > > More to the point, when I have to perform a WAFL_check under the gun, I'd > rather not have to dig around for a fistful of floppies required to boot > the filer for maint. Now we are FOUR TIMES more likely to encounter an > aborted boot due to a floppy infected with bitrot. It is time to whine. > > (How many folks keep a box of fresh, new diskettes around specifically for > new revisions of ONTAP? How many just grab the first N unassigned > floppies they see laying around their desk? How many use one floppy and > re-image it on-the-fly as the filer asks for it? :) > > Rob++ > ---------------------------------------- > Rob Windsor E-Mail - mailto:rob_windsor@adc.com > Senior Unix Systems Administrator Voice - phone:972-680-6919 > Computer Services Fax - phone:972-680-0370 > Broadband Access and Transport Group __o > ADC Telecommunications _`\<,_ > Richardson, TX 75082 (_)/ (_)

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Antigen found =*.vbs file
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09 May '01

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floppy shuffle
by Todd C. Merrill 09 May '01

09 May '01

Sorry to dredge up an old thread... ONTAP 6.0.1R3: three floppies! ONTAP 6.1R1: *four* floppies!! You guys are killin' me. I haven't had to do floppy shuffles like this since the days of floppy-boot Macintosh's. I can't even *find* any floppies to put these on, not even AOL ones. Until next time... The Mathworks, Inc. 508-647-7000 x7792 3 Apple Hill Drive, Natick, MA 01760-2098 508-647-7001 FAX tmerrill(a)mathworks.com http://www.mathworks.com ---

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Question
by Michael Homa 09 May '01

09 May '01

Hi. My name is Michael Homa and I'm a system programmer at the University of Illinois at Chicago. We have a single 740 which we use to contain university and department web pages. We have six Novell servers that we use to service PC machines in our student labs. The servers contain home space and applications. We are considering replacing the servers with two or more netapps (we'd use the 740 and buy one or more additional machines - number of and model type are still in doubt). We'd put the home directories and applications on the netapp and let users access them via shares. We estimate that we would have approximately 3,000 sessions with as yet an undetermined number of both shares and open files. Of the 3,000, we don't have an estimates how many of these sessions will be active. (Since inactive sessions don't appear to be swapped to disk, the number of inactive sessions doesn't really matter.) The netapp folks send us the following information regarding models 740 and 820 (the two models we're considering): 740 820 ----- --- RAM 512MB 1GB Max Users/Sessions 7,200 16,000 Max Shares 14,400 32,000 Max Open Files 144,000 320,000 Max Locked Files 160,384 352,768 num_64mb 8 16 The formulas that they use are as follows: 740: maxusers = ((num_64mb - 2) * 1000) + 1200 820: maxusers = ((num_64mb - 3) * 1000) + 3000 maxshares = 2 * maxusers maxopenfiles = 20 maxusers maxlockedfiles = maxopenfiles + (num_64mb * 2048) The formulas gives us an indication of what is permitted. But, they don't give us an sense of performance with such large numbers. Has anybody else tried to hang so many users off one or more netapps? If so, what kind of performance did your users see? The Netappliance folks haven't exactly overwhelmed us with the names of sites doing something similar on such a large scale. I'd appreciate any feedback. Thanks. Michael Homa Academic Computing and Communication Center University of Illinois at Chicago email: mhoma(a)uic.edu

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FCAL Question
by Honeycutt, Michael 09 May '01

09 May '01

Is anyone using the dual port FCAL's yet? I just received a shipment I ordered and am planning on putting them in next weekend. Looking for anyone with good/bad stories of moving from single to dual port cards. Thanks. Michael Honeycutt MCSE/A+ NT/Exchange Engineer IBM Global Services

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09 May '01

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FYI: Virus Alert
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09 May '01

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WorldSecure Notification
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09 May '01

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ScanMail Message: To Recipient virus found and action taken.
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09 May '01

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