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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Jay Newton 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

I looked real closely at the Highground stuff. There's a module called Prospector that will allow me to do what I need at the file level. I'm afraid that it's going to cost an arm and a leg, though. I haven't looked at BMC too closely yet but I will. Hopefully the price will be more attractive. Thank you all for your input. It has helped tremendously! -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:52 PM To: Honeycutt, Michael Cc: 'Coartney, Paul'; 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: Looking for drive space utilization reports This is true Michael. DFM is a very nice multi-filer management tool and is tightly integrated with the filers. It has lots of useful reports, especially for multi-filer sites that are trying to find a chunk of free space or figure out how much they can expand certain filers. DFM will not do two of the things Jay asked for though - it will not tell you the type of data using the space, nor will it tell you which users are putting it there. It is more designed to be a multi-filer management tool than a storage management tool. Highground will (somewhat) do what Jay is looking for. He may also consider looking into BMC. They bill their storage management tools as being "Application specific" - that is they have a capability of mapping certain applications (like Oracle) to data usage. Like Highground, BMC has an agent-based architecture; however, I'm not sure of Highground's support for "Tier 1 storage". BMC has agents for monitoring NetApp as well as EMC Symetrix, Hitachi, etc. Good luck Jay! -- Jeff On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 12:02:35PM -0400, Honeycutt, Michael wrote: > The reason I suggested Highground is because it has the ability to monitor > "soft" quotas. It wont enforce quotas on the filer, but it will e-mail users > when they are close to reaching their quota. As far as I know, the Data > Fabric Manager doesnt have this functionality. Is this true or is my mind > clouded from last weeks vacation? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Coartney, Paul [mailto:Paul.Coartney@netapp.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:46 AM > To: Honeycutt, Michael; 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports > > > NetApp has a new tool called Data Fabric Manager that may fit your > requirements, and is a lot cheaper than highground. You may want to call > your sales rep and get a demo. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Honeycutt, Michael [mailto:MichaelHoneycutt@NC.SLR.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:59 AM > To: 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports > > > Try this link. http://www.highground.com/ <http://www.highground.com/> > FYI, this company is a subsidary of Sun Microsystems. They can arrange a > free demo if you are interested. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:28 AM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports > > > > I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me > gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we > currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage > elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type > of data using it, and which users are putting it there. > > Anyone out there have any ideas? > > > Jay Newton > Systems Engineer > Chesapeake Operating > 6112-114 > (405)810-2683 > (405)879-9578 fax >

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RE: Deleting data on NetApp.
by Honeycutt, Michael 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Try an electromagnet. I hear they work wonders on disk data :) -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:56 PM To: Fox, Adam Cc: 'Israel, Meital'; NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: Re: Deleting data on NetApp. I just wish I could delete files on a NetApp from the console. It takes forever and a day to remove a hundred or more GB off a filer from either CIFS or NFS. An "rm" in the ONTAP CLI would be super handy. It could work *much* faster then over the wire. Further, an "rm -F" to delete files through the active file system and all snapshots would even be keener. =) -- Jeff On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 07:59:53AM -0700, Fox, Adam wrote: > This comes up quite a bit. It all depends on who how sophisticated > you think the person is who may be trying to retrieve the data is. > > For 99.99% of the world, just zero'ing the disks (even multiple times > if it makes you feel comfortable) is enough. > > I suppose you could create some dummy data to put on the disks after > you zero out the disks, then zero them out again. But that's a lot of > time and effort to get you from 99.99% to 99.999%. > > If you are concerned about professional, government-backed efforts to > recover the data, then your only real option is to destroy the disks > entirely. Bust them into thousands of pieces and dispose of those pieces > in different trash containers. While this is certainly expensive since > you can't return or re-use the disks, it is by far the most secure. > However, there are very few people who need this level of security, but > it's an option if your data abosulutely cannot ever be recovered. > > Hope this helps. > > -- Adam Fox > NetApp Professional Services, NC > adamfox(a)netapp.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Israel, Meital [mailto:meital.israel@intel.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:55 AM > > To: NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) > > Subject: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > Does anyone know a utility to format the NetApp disks without > > being able to > > unformat it? > > > > Thanks, > > ************************************** > > Meital > > >

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Honeycutt, Michael 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

The reason I suggested Highground is because it has the ability to monitor "soft" quotas. It wont enforce quotas on the filer, but it will e-mail users when they are close to reaching their quota. As far as I know, the Data Fabric Manager doesnt have this functionality. Is this true or is my mind clouded from last weeks vacation? -----Original Message----- From: Coartney, Paul [mailto:Paul.Coartney@netapp.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:46 AM To: Honeycutt, Michael; 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports NetApp has a new tool called Data Fabric Manager that may fit your requirements, and is a lot cheaper than highground. You may want to call your sales rep and get a demo. -----Original Message----- From: Honeycutt, Michael [mailto:MichaelHoneycutt@NC.SLR.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:59 AM To: 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports Try this link. http://www.highground.com/ <http://www.highground.com/> FYI, this company is a subsidary of Sun Microsystems. They can arrange a free demo if you are interested. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:28 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type of data using it, and which users are putting it there. Anyone out there have any ideas? Jay Newton Systems Engineer Chesapeake Operating 6112-114 (405)810-2683 (405)879-9578 fax

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CIFS Gigabit Performance?
by Ambrose_Earle＠shamrockfoods.com 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Would anyone mind sharing the best throughput figures they've been able to sustain, for both writing and reading, to a filer via CIFS over fiber GigE? I'm trying to get a feel for what I should be able to attain. Also, any tuning suggestions would be most helpful. Thanks,

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RE: how to manage entries in the auditlog
by Thompson, Tim 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

> From: Hannes Herret [mailto:hh@bacher.at] > anyone knows the behaviour, that the opened java performance tool from > na_admin logs in the auditlog every few seconds. > the auditlog grows and grows ..... > is it possible to disable the logging for the performance-tool? I don't believe it's possible to selectively disable the logging of that information. If java in your browser is capable of doing UDP to the filer, it will use SNMP rather than HTTP to get the performance data, and it won't be logged. But this varies from browser to browser, so the best way to deal with this may be to either periodically filter the auditlogs or avoid running filerview's performance tool continuously. Tools that get data primarily through SNMP, like our new DataFabric Manager, will not cause the auditlog to grow like this. I've entered a burt about this, thanks for noting it. ...Tim Thompson...Network Appliance, Inc...

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Coartney, Paul 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

NetApp has a new tool called Data Fabric Manager that may fit your requirements, and is a lot cheaper than highground. You may want to call your sales rep and get a demo. -----Original Message----- From: Honeycutt, Michael [mailto:MichaelHoneycutt@NC.SLR.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:59 AM To: 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports Try this link. http://www.highground.com/ <http://www.highground.com/> FYI, this company is a subsidary of Sun Microsystems. They can arrange a free demo if you are interested. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:28 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type of data using it, and which users are putting it there. Anyone out there have any ideas? Jay Newton Systems Engineer Chesapeake Operating 6112-114 (405)810-2683 (405)879-9578 fax

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RE: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different?
by Fox, Adam 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

I guess my question is how different were the results? A couple of percentage different is normal in dump/restore situations, which ndmpcopy is. Things like the restore making better use of blocks since it gets to re-write your data from scratch, etc. As far as verifying ndmpcopy, remember that ndmpcopy is just a native ONTAP dump/restore so any method you would use to verify your backups would also apply here. Most of them are not fun like what has been suggested of comparing file by file. If you trust your backups, you should be able to trust ndmpcopy. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Clawson, Simon [mailto:simon_clawson@mentorg.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:11 AM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different? > > > I ran an NDMP copy on my filer to take some qtrees from one volume to > another. When I ran du -s on each directory the results were > different in > most cases. > > The question I have is - > Is NDMP copy the tool for the job, and how do I verify the > results once I > have run it? > > Any ideas? > > Simon > > Simon Clawson > HDS Team Systems Administrator > Mentor Graphics Uk > Rivergate > London Road > Newbury > Berkshire > RG14 2QB > <<Clawson, Simon.vcf>> >

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RE: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different?
by McCarthy, Tim 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Any chance someone changed maxfiles? -----Original Message----- From: Clawson, Simon [mailto:simon_clawson@mentorg.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:36 AM To: 'Leonard, Roger'; Clawson, Simon Cc: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different? Yes, I took account of this. The file size is normally on the - rather than the + side tho. Also, I am running du -s below the top level, doing like for like comparisons of all sub directories. Simon > -----Original Message----- > From: Leonard, Roger [mailto:Roger.Leonard@marconi.com] > Sent: Monday July 2001 13:22 > To: 'Clawson, Simon' > Subject: RE: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different? > > > it will put a restoresymboltable file in the target dir which > can be quite > large. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clawson, Simon [mailto:simon_clawson@mentorg.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:11 AM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different? > > > I ran an NDMP copy on my filer to take some qtrees from one volume to > another. When I ran du -s on each directory the results were > different in > most cases. > > The question I have is - > Is NDMP copy the tool for the job, and how do I verify the > results once I > have run it? > > Any ideas? > > Simon > > Simon Clawson > HDS Team Systems Administrator > Mentor Graphics Uk > Rivergate > London Road > Newbury > Berkshire > RG14 2QB > <<Clawson, Simon.vcf>> >

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Re: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different?
by mds＠gbnet.net 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Mount the two fs's, cd into the root of your original fs (for arguments sake /mnt/orig) and then run a find over it. Let's say /mnt/new is the new fs: find . -type f -xdev -exec cmp {} /mnt/new/{} \; slip in a -print if you want to be sure it's examining everything along the way. I think you may need gnu find to do this, as not all vendor finds allow you to substitute in multiple instances of {}. I'm sure something reasonable can be worked-up in perl in about 10 lines, in an afternoon too. You could also use two separate finds to assemble two lists of checksums or md5 hashes and then compare them relatively simply with the various text utils unix provides. As for why they're different, I'm fairly sure a number of reasons have been mentioned over the years and are all in the archive or on NOW. And that's even assuming the files are all there and intact... if they've somehow suffered some problem then there's no need to get exotic. 8) hth On Mon 9 Jul, 2001, "Clawson, Simon" <simon_clawson(a)mentorg.com> wrote: > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand > this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. > > ------_=_NextPart_000_01C10870.3EB89C90 > Content-Type: text/plain; > charset="iso-8859-1" > > I ran an NDMP copy on my filer to take some qtrees from one volume to > another. When I ran du -s on each directory the results were different in > most cases. > > The question I have is - > Is NDMP copy the tool for the job, and how do I verify the results once I > have run it? > > Any ideas? > > Simon > > Simon Clawson > HDS Team Systems Administrator > Mentor Graphics Uk > Rivergate > London Road > Newbury > Berkshire > RG14 2QB > <<Clawson, Simon.vcf>> > > ------_=_NextPart_000_01C10870.3EB89C90 > Content-Type: application/octet-stream; > name="Clawson, Simon.vcf" > Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="Clawson, Simon.vcf" > > BEGIN:VCARD > VERSION:2.1 > N:Clawson;Simon > FN:Clawson, Simon > TEL;WORK;VOICE:8210-1409 > TEL;WORK;VOICE:44-1635-81-1409 > TEL;HOME:8213-1409 > ADR;WORK:;Newbury;;Newbury;;;UK > LABEL;WORK;ENCODING=QUOTED-PRINTABLE:Newbury=0D=0ANewbury=0D=0AUK > EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:simon_clawson@mentor.com > REV:20001012T123735Z > END:VCARD > > ------_=_NextPart_000_01C10870.3EB89C90-- >-- End of excerpt from "Clawson, Simon" -- -Mark ... an Englishman in London ...

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Deleting data on NetApp.
by Israel, Meital 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Hi All, Does anyone know a utility to format the NetApp disks without being able to unformat it? Thanks, ************************************** Meital

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RE: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different?
by Clawson, Simon 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Yes, I took account of this. The file size is normally on the - rather than the + side tho. Also, I am running du -s below the top level, doing like for like comparisons of all sub directories. Simon > -----Original Message----- > From: Leonard, Roger [mailto:Roger.Leonard@marconi.com] > Sent: Monday July 2001 13:22 > To: 'Clawson, Simon' > Subject: RE: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different? > > > it will put a restoresymboltable file in the target dir which > can be quite > large. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Clawson, Simon [mailto:simon_clawson@mentorg.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:11 AM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different? > > > I ran an NDMP copy on my filer to take some qtrees from one volume to > another. When I ran du -s on each directory the results were > different in > most cases. > > The question I have is - > Is NDMP copy the tool for the job, and how do I verify the > results once I > have run it? > > Any ideas? > > Simon > > Simon Clawson > HDS Team Systems Administrator > Mentor Graphics Uk > Rivergate > London Road > Newbury > Berkshire > RG14 2QB > <<Clawson, Simon.vcf>> >

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du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different?
by Clawson, Simon 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

I ran an NDMP copy on my filer to take some qtrees from one volume to another. When I ran du -s on each directory the results were different in most cases. The question I have is - Is NDMP copy the tool for the job, and how do I verify the results once I have run it? Any ideas? Simon Simon Clawson HDS Team Systems Administrator Mentor Graphics Uk Rivergate London Road Newbury Berkshire RG14 2QB <<Clawson, Simon.vcf>>

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Honeycutt, Michael 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

Try this link. http://www.highground.com/ <http://www.highground.com/> FYI, this company is a subsidary of Sun Microsystems. They can arrange a free demo if you are interested. -----Original Message----- From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:28 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type of data using it, and which users are putting it there. Anyone out there have any ideas? Jay Newton Systems Engineer Chesapeake Operating 6112-114 (405)810-2683 (405)879-9578 fax

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how to manage entries in the auditlog
by Hannes Herret 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

hi folks, anyone knows the behaviour, that the opened java performance tool from na_admin logs in the auditlog every few seconds. the auditlog grows and grows ..... important information 'vanishes' in the df-loggings. now the question: is it possible to disable the logging for the performance-tool? if not, maybe this useless logging will be disabled in the next ontap-release. cu hannes

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RE: ndmpcopy levels
by McCarthy, Tim 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

If you use jndmpcopy, or ndmpcopy which has the "level i" option compiled into it, then you simply specify "level i" instead of your level 0 or 1 or whatever. This "level i" is maintained separately from the the regular dumps and ndmpcopy. --tmac -----Original Message----- From: Lance R Bailey [mailto:baileyla@pmc-sierra.com] Sent: Friday, July 06, 2001 12:14 PM To: Roger.Leonard(a)marconi.com Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: ndmpcopy levels standard berk-dump: level 1 will catch all since level 0. you can do this repeatedly. level 2 will catch all since levels 1 or 0. you can do this repeatedly. level 3 will catch all since levels 2, 1 or 0. you can do this repeatedly. you can run a level 1 *AFTER* and catch all since the last level 0. (i'm not sure why you'd do that, but you can :-) you can run a level 2 without running a level 1 between it and the level 0. in fact, you can running a level n dump requires only a level 0 to have been run previously, not level n-1, not level n-2 and so on ndmpcopy level 1 will catch all since level 0. you can do ONE level 1. level 2 will catch all since level 1. you can do ONE level 2. level 3 will catch all since level 2. you can do ONE level 3. you cannot run level 3 after level 1, you must run a level 2 first and then the level 3. if you try to run multiple level 1's you get an error saying that the next level should be level 2. ndmpcopy will abort the ndmp sessions and if you are running 5.3.6 (or 5.3.6R1P2) you might have trouble running further ndmp activities without a reboot. if you try to skip level n, then you get an error saying that the next level should be level n. ndmpcopy will abort the ndmp sessions ... you need to run a level 0, then a 1, then a 2, then a 3 and so on. you get 10 dumps in total. sorry. now, snapmirror will happily do hundreds of incrementals, but not ndmpcopy. the "enhanced" ndmpcopy that you see talked about on the list will do more. -- email: lance_bailey(a)pmc-sierra.com box: Lance R. Bailey, unix Administrator vox: +1 604 415 6646 PMC-Sierra, Inc fax: +1 604 415 6151 105-8555 Baxter Place http://www.lydia.org/~zaphod Burnaby BC, V5A 4V7 Are there any men ladybugs? -- Libby, Grace Under Fire Leonard, Roger wrote: > >i am attempting to use ndmpcopy to migrate data between filers which are >being backed up with Netbackup NDMP and it appears as though they are >confusing each other because it looks like both reference the etc/dumpdates >file on the source filers. can anyone sanity-check me on the various >levels? i assume that a level 9 picks up all changes since the last level >0. so i could do a level 0 and then multiple level 9's until i was ready to >cut over. so in my case i could do a level 0, turn off netback backups and >nfs and cifs and then do a level 9 to cut over all changes. any help is >appreciated > >Roger D. Leonard >

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Re: soft shutdown; power management
by Andrew Siegel 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Chris Lamb wrote: > > Well, short of offering a 'poweroff' PROM command, or a 'halt -poweroff' > option to ONTAP, you might look into managed power strips, so you could > halt the filers from the serial console, then telnet to the power strip > and have it switch off the AC. I've never used 'em, but the prospect is > intriguing... I'm sure a web search would point out some vendors to look > at, unless others on the list have implemented something like this and > have some feedback. Some remote-switchable power strip vendors: http://www.baytechdcd.com http://www.servertech.com http://www.pulizzi.com

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ndmpcopy levels
by Leonard, Roger 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

i am attempting to use ndmpcopy to migrate data between filers which are being backed up with Netbackup NDMP and it appears as though they are confusing each other because it looks like both reference the etc/dumpdates file on the source filers. can anyone sanity-check me on the various levels? i assume that a level 9 picks up all changes since the last level 0. so i could do a level 0 and then multiple level 9's until i was ready to cut over. so in my case i could do a level 0, turn off netback backups and nfs and cifs and then do a level 9 to cut over all changes. any help is appreciated Roger D. Leonard

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/etc/oldmaps and NetApp dumps
by Chris Thompson 06 Jul '01

06 Jul '01

Regulars will recall the thread back in March-April about the /etc/oldmaps files and the way that ONTAP 6.x uses them (or is supposed to) to make sure files moved into a tree being dumped get included in incremental dumps even if their ctime/mtime's haven't been updated. And they may even remember that my last contribution (2 April) was > So either I didn't understand after all, or this splendid new facility > has bugs in it ... :-( I pursued this with NetApp, and Stephen Manley did some great work on it, and the problem I was having is now understood. It's burt 45289 if you want to add it to your BugWatch list. It arises if you use "dump" on a path which is a whole volume or qtree, but also use the "l" option so that only part of it is actually being dumped. If it wasn't for the "l" option, nothing could be moved into the area being dumped without it being given a new ctime, and so in that case ignoring the /etc/oldmaps files would be a correct optimisation (and that's what it does), but it becomes a false one with "l" present in the options. Many thanks again to NetApp support for their help in tracking this down. Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1(a)ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom.

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soft shutdown; power management
by Todd C. Merrill 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Anyway to do a "soft shutdown" on a filer? By this I mean, pushing a button on the box that will gracefully shut it down. Many SGI systems, some HP systems, some pc BIOSes will initiate a graceful shutdown of the system if the power button is pressed and released rapidly. If not, may I ask this be considered in a future design? With appropriate safeguards, like an option "safeshutdown" to enable or disable this feature. Or, perhaps a way to turn off power to a filer remotely, like the Sun Netras have with their LOM capabilities. We had some power problems this weekend, and being able to tell someone over the phone "just push <this> button" [0] would have been preferable to driving in to shutdown a bunch of filers. I could have halted them remotely via a serial console server, but when the power started bouncing up and down, I didn't want the filers to start back up and then come down hard again. [0] Telling this person, who was not computer savvy in the least, to telnet in, execute 'halt' and then power off the two power supplies on the back of the filer and disk shelves was not within the realm of possibility. Until next time... The Mathworks, Inc. 508-647-7000 x7792 3 Apple Hill Drive, Natick, MA 01760-2098 508-647-7001 FAX tmerrill(a)mathworks.com http://www.mathworks.com ---

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Jay Newton 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

What was the pricing like for SRM and the Prospector add-on? What is your infrastructure? -----Original Message----- From: Loux, Linda [mailto:LLoux@rii.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 1:58 PM To: 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports We have been using SRM for some time. While it provides good information for overall growth and predictions, I was unable to get the level of detail and customization in the reports that met our needs. I have recently received Prospector, and am preparing for use of that product. I'll be happy to provide additional feedback when I've had more time to see how it works! Linda Loux Systems Administrator Rosetta Inpharmatics -----Original Message----- From: Joe Luchtenberg [mailto:joe.luchtenberg@data-line.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:21 AM To: 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports On paper HighGround's SRM Infrastructure Suite looks interesting ( http://www.highground.com/PRODUCTS/infra_suite.htm <http://www.highground.com/PRODUCTS/infra_suite.htm> ). Anybody using it? Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:28 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type of data using it, and which users are putting it there. Anyone out there have any ideas? Jay Newton Systems Engineer Chesapeake Operating 6112-114 (405)810-2683 (405)879-9578 fax **************************************************************************** This e-mail message is the property of Rosetta Inpharmatics and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying, or communication of the contents of this message is prohibited. If this message was received in error, please forward a copy to mail_admin(a)rii.com and delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Thank you. ****************************************************************************

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Loux, Linda 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

We have been using SRM for some time. While it provides good information for overall growth and predictions, I was unable to get the level of detail and customization in the reports that met our needs. I have recently received Prospector, and am preparing for use of that product. I'll be happy to provide additional feedback when I've had more time to see how it works! Linda Loux Systems Administrator Rosetta Inpharmatics -----Original Message----- From: Joe Luchtenberg [mailto:joe.luchtenberg@data-line.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:21 AM To: 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports On paper HighGround's SRM Infrastructure Suite looks interesting ( http://www.highground.com/PRODUCTS/infra_suite.htm <http://www.highground.com/PRODUCTS/infra_suite.htm> ). Anybody using it? Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:28 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type of data using it, and which users are putting it there. Anyone out there have any ideas? Jay Newton Systems Engineer Chesapeake Operating 6112-114 (405)810-2683 (405)879-9578 fax **************************************************************************** This e-mail message is the property of Rosetta Inpharmatics and may contain information that is confidential and/or privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, any use, disclosure, copying, or communication of the contents of this message is prohibited. If this message was received in error, please forward a copy to mail_admin(a)rii.com and delete the message and any attachments from your computer. Thank you. ****************************************************************************

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Joe Luchtenberg 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

On paper HighGround's SRM Infrastructure Suite looks interesting ( http://www.highground.com/PRODUCTS/infra_suite.htm <http://www.highground.com/PRODUCTS/infra_suite.htm> ). Anybody using it? Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com -----Original Message----- From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:28 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type of data using it, and which users are putting it there. Anyone out there have any ideas? Jay Newton Systems Engineer Chesapeake Operating 6112-114 (405)810-2683 (405)879-9578 fax

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Re: 36F disk
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Ferd: Your personal attacks in a public forum are unfair; I earn my living honorably, as I would imagine you do. Please give us a break: we are brokers and re-sellers of used computer equipment and don't pretend to be anything else. We have many NetApp customers that have benefited from doing business with us. Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 FAX: 952 935 5056 scott(a)unioncomputer.com In a message dated 7/4/01 9:48:43 PM Central Daylight Time, ferd_berfl(a)yahoo.com writes: > Mr. Fischmann, without citing your numerous, repetitive, emails, could we > qualify all your emails to have the same fundamental message: > > Subject: ask Network Appliance for software transferability (and consider > doing business with union computer exchange) > > Given the fact that your emails are incredibly repetitive, do you have > anything at all to add to this mailing list other than the repetitive > exhortation about transferable software licenses? BTW, I take it that your > repeated exhortations are not generated simply out of the goodness of your > heart and your warm feeling for all Network Appliance customers, but perhaps > are motivated by some financial agenda that benefits you and Union Computer > Exchange, Inc.? > > How about anytime you want to repeat your same email again, just writing > "yada yada software license yada yada transferable yada yada leasing company > yada yada union computer exchange yada yada" and we'll know what you mean to > say. > > Thanks for your humanistic warm concern for us all.

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by Phillips, Steve 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Have you taken a look at DataFabric Manager? http://www.netapp.com/products/filer/datafabric.html -----Original Message----- From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 8:28 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports Importance: Low I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type of data using it, and which users are putting it there. Anyone out there have any ideas? Jay Newton Systems Engineer Chesapeake Operating 6112-114 (405)810-2683 (405)879-9578 fax

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best configuration Netapp,NetBackup
by Fayek, Ahmed 05 Jul '01

05 Jul '01

Hello all, does anybody have experience with using NetBackup with Netapp filers (using NDMP) ? This time it's a question about best configuration. let's say we have 4 volumes in one filer and 1 volume in the second filer. so we need to backup the 5 volumes. i think about creating 2 classes, one per filer. and only one volume pool to serve both filers. but in this way each set of tapes (group) will take the backup from all the 5 volumes sequentially. so in this case if i need to restore a file from the 5th volume it will need to go through all the tapes till it reaches it. also what if one tape of this set is damaged, will this make all the set (group) unuseful ? this configuration reduces the number of tapes per group, and it looks simple. but another way appears, to create 2 classes, one per filer (no change) and create one volume pool per netapp volume , so create 5 volume pools, with initially one tape in each and create a scratch pool to serve all the pools in need for tapes. but in this case the number of tapes used will increase. i don't know if it is that serious to choose between the 2 configurations, but i know it may impact all the system in the future. So does anyone have a better idea, or better experience with this stuff ? Appreciate your response Ahmed

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