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Netapp + Amanda.: Problems
by Ashwin Kotian 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

We have been having problems backing up our Netapp filer using Amanda. We are using the modified dump program for Netapp but still everytime the amanda script runs it finds the mounted disk offline. The following are the entries in our Tape Backup server running Amanda server( it hosts the tape device too )...../etc/fstab file: /dev/sda5 on / type ext2 (rw) none on /proc type proc (rw) /dev/sda1 on /boot type ext2 (rw) /dev/sdb1 on /SPOOL1 type ext2 (rw) /dev/sdc1 on /SPOOL2 type ext2 (rw) none on /dev/pts type devpts (rw,gid=5,mode=620) automount(pid468) on /misc type autofs (rw,fd=5,pgrp=468,minproto=2,maxproto=3) xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/vol/vol1/home/oracle/oradata on /netapp/oradata/backup type nfs (ro ,addr=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/etc on /netapp/etc type nfs (ro,addr=xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx) (xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx is the IP address of our Filer Interface) Also, the entries in the disklist file corresponding to the Netapp Filer is: # BEGIN NETAPP SECTION # Netapp filesystems via modified dump program. xxx.navin.com /netapp/oradata/backup nocomp-user -1 local # END NETAPP SECTION where xxx.navin.com is the FQDN of our Tape Backup Server. I have the debug option ON during the Dump......and /tmp/dumpout gives the following log output for the Netapp filesystem: ---- [25044]: Mon Jul 9 19:02:01 2001 [25044]: dump 0Shsf 0 1048576 - xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/vol/vol1/home/oracle/oradata [25044]: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/vol/vol1/home/oracle/oradata: No such file or directory while opening filesystem^M ---- [25047]: Mon Jul 9 19:02:03 2001 [25047]: dump 1Shsf 0 1048576 - xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/vol/vol1/home/oracle/oradata [25047]: DUMP: WARNING: There is no inferior level dump on this filesystem [25047]: DUMP: WARNING: Assuming a level 0 dump by default [25047]: xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/vol/vol1/home/oracle/oradata: No such file or directory while opening filesystem^M ---- Also, the /tmp/amanda/sendsize.debug contains the following entries: asking killpgrp to terminate calculating for amname '/netapp/oradata/backup', dirname '/netapp/oradata/backup' sendsize: getting size via dump for /netapp/oradata/backup level 0 sendsize: running "/sbin/dump 0Shsf 0 1048576 - xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/vol/vol1/home/or acle/oradata" running /usr/local/amanda/libexec/killpgrp xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/vol/vol1/home/oracle/oradata: No such file or directory while op ening filesystem^M ..... (no size line match in above dump output) ..... asking killpgrp to terminate sendsize: getting size via dump for /netapp/oradata/backup level 1 sendsize: running "/sbin/dump 1Shsf 0 1048576 - xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/vol/vol1/home/or acle/oradata" running /usr/local/amanda/libexec/killpgrp DUMP: WARNING: There is no inferior level dump on this filesystem DUMP: WARNING: Assuming a level 0 dump by default xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx:/vol/vol1/home/oracle/oradata: No such file or directory while op ening filesystem^M ..... (no size line match in above dump output) Based on the above info, is there anything that you see could be the problem. Amanda is backing up every other host on our network except for The Netapp Filer. Desperately looking for some advice. Thanks in advance, Ashwin .....

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RE: Benchmarks
by Fox, Adam 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

My answer today is sponsored by the NTAP Advanced ONTAP class. This class covers how to measure items like the ones suggested below. Check out the NOW site for times, places, and costs..it's worth it! Now to the answer: To view NVRAM stats, you use the wafl_susp command. To find this command, you'll need to be in rc_toggle_basic or priv set advanced mode. To zero out the stats, use: filer*> wafl_susp -z Then run your test. Then to view the stats, run: filer*> wafl_susp -w You'll get screens full of info but the really important ones are the following 3: cp_from_timer cp_from_log_full cp_from_cp The first 2 are good, the 3rd one is bad. cp_from_timer is the number of times your NVRAM was flushed because half of the NVRAM was not filled in 10 seconds. cp_from_log_full is when you filled up half of your NVRAM and flushed it before the 2nd half of your NVRAM filled. Again, not a big deal. The 3rd one, cp_from_cp means that you filled the 2nd side of your NVRAM BEFORE you finished flushing the first half. This is bad. It's okay to have a few of them, but if they get to be a signifcant percentage of your cps, you're either over-running your NVRAM, or there's a problem with your disk subsystem and it's not writing out the data very quickly (like maybe your volume is 99% full). Now individual disk utilizations are found with statit. This is similar to wafl_susp in that you start it, then you stop it and print out the results. The 2 command for statit are filer*> statit -b to start collecting filer*> statit -e to end it and dump the data. You'll find how busy your individual disks are that way, plus a BUNCH of other things, but that's probably the most important. But before I'd even go down these paths, I'd be watching my sysstat's very carefully. sysstat 1 is your friend in looking at performance. It can give you some really good clues. Also check netstat, ifstat, and the other networking commands for errors. Check your switch ports for dropped packets. Things like flow control settings (a good thing, I suggest full flowcontrol on send and receive) can also mess up Gbit interfaces. Anyway, this is probably all I can practically jam into a single message and have it make sense. Of course, the Global Support Centers at NTAP are always here and can help your diagnose these types of problems as well. Hope this helps. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Flavio E. Cardoso [mailto:flavio.cardoso@interchange.com.br] > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 11:46 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Benchmarks > > > Hi Srs. > > I´m looking for benchmark infomation about FILER 760, mainly about > NVRAM and disk´s operations (reading and writing). > We´ve got the Filer and Servers on a Gigaethernet network but when > we see on switch statistics the thoughtput is slowly than a > fastethernet. > > Flavio Cardoso >

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RE: Deleting data on NetApp.
by Fox, Adam 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

I would doubt there were any big fixes to spares_zero. I haven't checked them, but since it's not in regular command mode, I wouldn't hold my breath. One way to keep your console while the process is running is to issue the command via rsh from a trusted host. That way you don't chew up your prompt. Something like: # rsh filer 'priv set diag ; spares_zero' Note, use the single quotes so that both commands go to the filer. Hope this helps. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Hannes Herret [mailto:hh@bacher.at] > Sent: Thursday, July 12, 2001 12:44 PM > To: Fox, Adam; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > hi adam, > > very funny that i got the information 'bout spares_zero in this list. > i had a case regarding this feature at the hotline in netherland and > they told me "no more spares_zero since 6.0" > > btw: is there still the bug in, if i want to CRTL+C while running? > > teach the oranjes !!! > thxfti & cu > hannes > > > "Fox, Adam" wrote: > > > > spares_zero still exists, but you need to > > set your privledge move to diag rather than > > advanced. > > > > This is supposed to all be fixed in an > > upcoming release and there will be an officially > > blessed way to do this. Stay tuned. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > -- Adam Fox > > NetApp Professional Services, NC > > adamfox(a)netapp.com > > ------------------------------------------------------------------- > Hannes Herret IT-Service / Storage > phone : +43 (1) 60 126-34 Bacher Systems EDV GmbH > fax : +43 (1) 60 126-555 Wienerbergstr. 11B > mailto:hh@bacher.at A-1101 Wien, Austria > www : http://www.bacher.at/ Europe >

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RE: Deleting data on NetApp.
by Fox, Adam 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

spares_zero still exists, but you need to set your privledge move to diag rather than advanced. This is supposed to all be fixed in an upcoming release and there will be an officially blessed way to do this. Stay tuned. Hope this helps. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Thompson [mailto:cet1@cus.cam.ac.uk] > Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 6:22 PM > To: Adam.Fox(a)netapp.com > Cc: meital.israel(a)intel.com; toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > Adam.Fox(a)netapp.com writes about erasing disc contents: > > > > This comes up quite a bit. It all depends on who how sophisticated > > you think the person is who may be trying to retrieve the data is. > > > > For 99.99% of the world, just zero'ing the disks (even > multiple times > > if it makes you feel comfortable) is enough. > > There remains the question of how to do this conveniently within a > NetApp filer. In the past I have made a dummy volume and added the > disks to be erased to it, but I wouldn't be too sure that this zeros > the area at the end of the disk after the right-sized point. > > ONTAP 5.x had a "zero_spares" command in rc_toggle_basic > mode, but this > seems to have gone from advanced mode in ONTAP 6.x. > > > I suppose you could create some dummy data to put on the disks after > > you zero out the disks, then zero them out again. But > that's a lot of > > time and effort to get you from 99.99% to 99.999%. > > > > If you are concerned about professional, government-backed > efforts to > > recover the data, then your only real option is to destroy the disks > > entirely. Bust them into thousands of pieces and dispose > of those pieces > > in different trash containers. > > ... and we've had all sorts of imaginative elaborations along > the lines > of physical mutilation! > > I'm no expert on this sort of thing, but wouldn't baking the disc for > a few hours at a temperature comfortably above the Curie point of the > recording medium be a useful preparatory step? > > Chris Thompson University of Cambridge > Computing Service, > Email: cet1(a)ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, > Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom. >

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Benchmarks
by Flavio E. Cardoso 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

Hi Srs. I´m looking for benchmark infomation about FILER 760, mainly about NVRAM and disk´s operations (reading and writing). We´ve got the Filer and Servers on a Gigaethernet network but when we see on switch statistics the thoughtput is slowly than a fastethernet. Flavio Cardoso

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benchmarks
by Steve Sapovits 12 Jul '01

12 Jul '01

I'm looking for any benchmarking info. related using a NetApp instead of server-dedicated disk in a web server cluster; i.e., how many web servers can I run before a single NetApp device becomes slower than using dedicated disk per server? The more specific the benchmarks, the better (relating to types/versions of servers, OS, etc.). ---- Steve Sapovits

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RE: Deleting data on NetApp.
by Fox, Adam 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

This comes up quite a bit. It all depends on who how sophisticated you think the person is who may be trying to retrieve the data is. For 99.99% of the world, just zero'ing the disks (even multiple times if it makes you feel comfortable) is enough. I suppose you could create some dummy data to put on the disks after you zero out the disks, then zero them out again. But that's a lot of time and effort to get you from 99.99% to 99.999%. If you are concerned about professional, government-backed efforts to recover the data, then your only real option is to destroy the disks entirely. Bust them into thousands of pieces and dispose of those pieces in different trash containers. While this is certainly expensive since you can't return or re-use the disks, it is by far the most secure. However, there are very few people who need this level of security, but it's an option if your data abosulutely cannot ever be recovered. Hope this helps. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Israel, Meital [mailto:meital.israel@intel.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:55 AM > To: NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > Hi All, > > Does anyone know a utility to format the NetApp disks without > being able to > unformat it? > > Thanks, > ************************************** > Meital >

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RE: ndmp problem legato & netapp
by Kim, Christopher 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

Jan, Legato backup software needs to save client (NetApp) "index" information back to Backup server host. Create same pool name on Backup host's attached tape drive. If you don't have tape drive attached to backup server. You can create file device and label it same as NetApp pool. Make sure you have patch 001 for 6.0.1 Legato Networker. Please collect savegrp output. savegrp -vvvv -G netapp_group_name Cheers, Chris -----Original Message----- From: Schepers, Jan [mailto:Jan.Schepers@atosorigin.com] Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2001 5:12 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: ndmp problem legato & netapp Hello list, The following messages are generated by Legato, NetApp and NDMP backup. Does anyone recognize this and what does it mean? * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup NDMP Service Log: DUMP: * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup NDMP Service Log: DUMP IS DONE * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup nsrdmpix: error, out of memory * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup ****************************************************************** * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup ------ E R R O R ------- * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup Failed to store index entries * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup ****************************************************************** kr, YS

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Problem renaming files
by Frank Gilmurray 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

We have our CVS repository on a F840 running 6.1R1. I've been chasing (what I thought was) a CVS Commit problem re renaming files but now I think this may be a filer issue because I've been able to reproduce the problem outside of CVS. We're using FreeBSD. Basically I have group write permission to a directory where I want to rename a file. All attempts fail with a "Permission denied" error. Then I restored the directory from a tgz file and after that, everything started working fine! The owners, permissions, and modified dates were the same as before so I don't understand why restoring this directory would change anything. Previously we had our CVS repository on a F520 running 5.3.6 and we never had any problems. Please, can anyone explain this? Thanks much, Frank Here's the output: gilmurra:/sweng/CVS_BACKUP/src> ls -la total 452 drwxrwxr-x 2 1237 staff 8192 Jul 11 10:41 . drwxrwxr-x 22 1237 staff 8192 Jun 11 19:42 .. -r--r--r-- 1 141 staff 52845 Jun 11 19:12 ata-all.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 14819 Mar 26 19:26 ata-all.h,v -r--r--r-- 1 141 staff 14819 Jul 10 16:35 ata-all.h,v.old -r--r--r-- 1 gilmurra staff 14819 Mar 26 19:26 ata-all.h,v~ORIG -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 28550 Mar 26 19:26 ata-disk.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 4179 Mar 26 19:26 ata-disk.h,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 35634 Mar 26 19:26 ata-dma.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 16649 Mar 26 19:26 ata-raid.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 5170 Mar 26 19:26 ata-raid.h,v -rw-rw-r-- 1 gilmurra staff 67396 Jul 11 10:37 ata.tgz -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 21862 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-all.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 9893 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-all.h,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 48595 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-cd.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 12804 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-cd.h,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 12470 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-fd.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 3748 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-fd.h,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 18632 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-tape.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 7100 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-tape.h,v -r--r--r-- 1 gilmurra staff 14819 Jul 10 16:35 x gilmurra:/sweng/CVS_BACKUP/src> mv x ata-all.c,v override r--r--r-- 141/staff for ata-all.c,v? (y/n [n]) y mv: rename x to ata-all.c,v: Permission denied gilmurra:/net/filebot/sweng/CVS_BACKUP/src> --- After 'tar xzf ata.tgz' as root --- gilmurra:/sweng/CVS_BACKUP/src> ll total 436 -r--r--r-- 1 141 staff 52845 Jun 11 19:12 ata-all.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 14819 Mar 26 19:26 ata-all.h,v -r--r--r-- 1 141 staff 14819 Jul 10 16:35 ata-all.h,v.old -r--r--r-- 1 gilmurra staff 14819 Mar 26 19:26 ata-all.h,v~ORIG -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 28550 Mar 26 19:26 ata-disk.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 4179 Mar 26 19:26 ata-disk.h,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 35634 Mar 26 19:26 ata-dma.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 16649 Mar 26 19:26 ata-raid.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 5170 Mar 26 19:26 ata-raid.h,v -rw-rw-r-- 1 gilmurra staff 67396 Jul 11 10:37 ata.tgz -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 21862 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-all.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 9893 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-all.h,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 48595 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-cd.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 12804 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-cd.h,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 12470 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-fd.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 3748 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-fd.h,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 18632 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-tape.c,v -r--r--r-- 1 1237 staff 7100 Mar 26 19:26 atapi-tape.h,v -r--r--r-- 1 141 staff 14819 Jul 10 16:35 x gilmurra:/sweng/CVS_BACKUP/src> mv x ata-all.h,v override r--r--r-- 1237/staff for ata-all.h,v? (y/n [n]) y gilmurra:/sweng/CVS_BACKUP/src>

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Re: Filer Serial Connectivity
by Andrew Siegel 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

> Picking up a thread for a few months ago... we are looking at the > Lightwave now for all of our equipment (Sun Sparc servers, IBM/Compaq > Intel servers, F5 load balancers, Cisco switches, Netapp filers, > UPS's, environmental monitors, HVAC systems, etc.). Has anyone looked > at the CS9000 from Perle? 1U rackmount, 24 RJ-45 ports, does not > cause a break signal to be sent when power cycled. Also check out the Cyclades TS-1000 and TS-2000 console/terminal servers: http://www.cyclades.com/products/stdalone/ts1_2000.htm

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please add me to this alias
by Gerth, Michael 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

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ndmp problem legato & netapp
by Schepers, Jan 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

Hello list, The following messages are generated by Legato, NetApp and NDMP backup. Does anyone recognize this and what does it mean? * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup NDMP Service Log: DUMP: * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup NDMP Service Log: DUMP IS DONE * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup nsrdmpix: error, out of memory * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup ****************************************************************** * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup ------ E R R O R ------- * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup Failed to store index entries * netapp3:/vol/ApplCAD/.snapshot/netapp3_backup ****************************************************************** kr, YS

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what ndmp user account i can use to backup filer by legato networ ker 6.0
by Zhonghua-Dennis.Huang＠nokia.com 11 Jul '01

11 Jul '01

Hi all, Forgive me if I asked a naive question. I believe there should be a user who can access filer's ndmp service. But I can not see such configurations on filer's ndmp options, is any user on filer ok for ndmp backup use? And on Legato networker, where i can specify the ndmp port which supposed to be 10000? If someone has successful experience on Networker ndmp configuration to backup filer, pls help me. ************************************************************************ Huang Zhonghua-Dennis System Administrator,Product Creation Process IM Beijing Product Creation NOKIA(CHINA) INVESTMENT CO.LTD Nokia Mobile Phones Nokia Tower, Pacific Century Place 2A, Gong Ti Bei Lu, Chaoyang District Tel:+86-10-65392828 Ext.3450 Fax:+861065393825Mobile:+86-13910218853 E-mail:zhonghua-dennis@nokia.com <mailto:E-mail:zhonghua-dennis@nokia.com> ***********************************************************************

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RE: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different?
by Melvin, Grant 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Hi Simon, In addition to Adam's comments: > the restore making better use of blocks since > it gets to re-write your data from scratch, etc. Directories on the source won't reclaim space from old entries on deletion, but will be reclaimed using restore via NDMPcopy. You will also probably have a restore_symboltable file on the destination side that is required by restore when doing incrementals. Cheers, Grant -----Original Message----- From: Fox, Adam [mailto:Adam.Fox@netapp.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:05 AM To: 'Clawson, Simon'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different? I guess my question is how different were the results? A couple of percentage different is normal in dump/restore situations, which ndmpcopy is. Things like the restore making better use of blocks since it gets to re-write your data from scratch, etc. As far as verifying ndmpcopy, remember that ndmpcopy is just a native ONTAP dump/restore so any method you would use to verify your backups would also apply here. Most of them are not fun like what has been suggested of comparing file by file. If you trust your backups, you should be able to trust ndmpcopy. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Clawson, Simon [mailto:simon_clawson@mentorg.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:11 AM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: du -s after ndmpcopy - why are the filesizes different? > > > I ran an NDMP copy on my filer to take some qtrees from one volume to > another. When I ran du -s on each directory the results were > different in > most cases. > > The question I have is - > Is NDMP copy the tool for the job, and how do I verify the > results once I > have run it? > > Any ideas? > > Simon > > Simon Clawson > HDS Team Systems Administrator > Mentor Graphics Uk > Rivergate > London Road > Newbury > Berkshire > RG14 2QB > <<Clawson, Simon.vcf>> >

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NetBackup with large Indexes.
by Mati Giladi 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Hi, We use Veritas Netabackup 3.4 to backup - on Solaris platform - Netapp / EMC in our site. The index size is growing to over then 70 Gb tape capacity. As far as we know the DbBackup ( the command that backup the index ) doesn't know to backup more then one tape capacity. One of the solutions is to backup the index using ufsdump ( it works ) to more the one tape. Does someone have any solution for this problem using the official veritas tool ( or other ) ? Mati Mati Giladi Phone: (972)-9-9522144 System & Storage Manager. Fax : (972)- 9-9522444/750 Motorola Semiconductor Israel LTD Mobile: (972)-51- 268348 1 Shenkar Street, Herzeliya, ISRAEL. P.O BOX 2208 Herzeliya, ZIP 46120 E-mail: M.Giladi(a)motorola.com

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CA NDMP platform announcement
by Joe Luchtenberg 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

They're calling it BrightStor. Haven't had a chance to look at it in detail yet, but cursory look shows it supports NDMP b/u to direct attached tape library and 3-way filer-to-filer (but apparently not filer to server or ethernet-enabled tape library), as well as supporting EMC TimeFinder, EMC FastTrax and IBM mainframe (3494). http://www.ca.com/press/caworld2001/brightstor/index.htm Any beta-testers/early-adopters? Am looking for a platform with NDMP support that is certified to backup TNG... Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com

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RE: performance data collection
by Witham, John 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

MRTG, Definitely. It's free. There's a Solaris download on NOW, and an NT port floating around. Let me know if you want it. Cheers! -john -----Original Message----- From: Kevin Franey [mailto:KFraney@epnet.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 11:56 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: performance data collection What's the best way to capture performance data on an f840 in order to examine/analyze how the system is doing? This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.

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Process command question on server running HP ux10
by leonard.galinsky＠philips.com 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

When I run the Top Utility on my HP UX 10.20 Box (the rest are 11.0). The command that the process is running is called "basicdsd". It is running continously & growing in size. Any Ideas what "basicdsd" is? Thanks -

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performance data collection
by Kevin Franey 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

What's the best way to capture performance data on an f840 in order to examine/analyze how the system is doing?

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RE: Process command question on server running HP ux10
by Foster, Steven 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Check this out... http://forums.itrc.hp.com/cm/QuestionAnswer/1,1150,0xc2b0e7613948d5118fef00… Steve -----Original Message----- From: leonard.galinsky(a)philips.com [mailto:leonard.galinsky@philips.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 10:23 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Process command question on server running HP ux10 When I run the Top Utility on my HP UX 10.20 Box (the rest are 11.0). The command that the process is running is called "basicdsd". It is running continously & growing in size. Any Ideas what "basicdsd" is? Thanks -

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RE: Process command question on server running HP ux10
by Traitel, Eyal 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

The "cdsd" part sounds like a Cadence daemon. I wonder if it's related... Can you post outputs of the ps ? Eyal. -----Original Message----- From: leonard.galinsky(a)philips.com [mailto:leonard.galinsky@philips.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 10, 2001 17:23 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Process command question on server running HP ux10 When I run the Top Utility on my HP UX 10.20 Box (the rest are 11.0). The command that the process is running is called "basicdsd". It is running continously & growing in size. Any Ideas what "basicdsd" is? Thanks -

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RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports
by jeff.mery＠ni.com 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

My team is going to evaluate the BMC product on Thursday this week as part of a larger-scale software evaluation. I'll be sure to pass on what we see. J- |--------+----------------------------> | | Jay Newton | | | <jnewton@chkenergy| | | .com> | | | Sent by: | | | owner-toasters@mat| | | hworks.com | | | | | | | | | 07/09/2001 04:42 | | | PM | | | | |--------+----------------------------> >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | | | To: "'Jeffrey Krueger'" <jkrueger(a)qualcomm.com>, "Honeycutt, Michael" <MichaelHoneycutt(a)NC.SLR.com> | | cc: "'Coartney, Paul'" <Paul.Coartney(a)netapp.com>, Jay Newton <jnewton(a)chkenergy.com>, "'toasters(a)mathworks.com'" | | <toasters(a)mathworks.com> | | Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports | >-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| I looked real closely at the Highground stuff. There's a module called Prospector that will allow me to do what I need at the file level. I'm afraid that it's going to cost an arm and a leg, though. I haven't looked at BMC too closely yet but I will. Hopefully the price will be more attractive. Thank you all for your input. It has helped tremendously! -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:52 PM To: Honeycutt, Michael Cc: 'Coartney, Paul'; 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: Looking for drive space utilization reports This is true Michael. DFM is a very nice multi-filer management tool and is tightly integrated with the filers. It has lots of useful reports, especially for multi-filer sites that are trying to find a chunk of free space or figure out how much they can expand certain filers. DFM will not do two of the things Jay asked for though - it will not tell you the type of data using the space, nor will it tell you which users are putting it there. It is more designed to be a multi-filer management tool than a storage management tool. Highground will (somewhat) do what Jay is looking for. He may also consider looking into BMC. They bill their storage management tools as being "Application specific" - that is they have a capability of mapping certain applications (like Oracle) to data usage. Like Highground, BMC has an agent-based architecture; however, I'm not sure of Highground's support for "Tier 1 storage". BMC has agents for monitoring NetApp as well as EMC Symetrix, Hitachi, etc. Good luck Jay! -- Jeff On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 12:02:35PM -0400, Honeycutt, Michael wrote: > The reason I suggested Highground is because it has the ability to monitor > "soft" quotas. It wont enforce quotas on the filer, but it will e-mail users > when they are close to reaching their quota. As far as I know, the Data > Fabric Manager doesnt have this functionality. Is this true or is my mind > clouded from last weeks vacation? > > -----Original Message----- > From: Coartney, Paul [mailto:Paul.Coartney@netapp.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 11:46 AM > To: Honeycutt, Michael; 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports > > > NetApp has a new tool called Data Fabric Manager that may fit your > requirements, and is a lot cheaper than highground. You may want to call > your sales rep and get a demo. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Honeycutt, Michael [mailto:MichaelHoneycutt@NC.SLR.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 4:59 AM > To: 'Jay Newton'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: RE: Looking for drive space utilization reports > > > Try this link. http://www.highground.com/ <http://www.highground.com/> > FYI, this company is a subsidary of Sun Microsystems. They can arrange a > free demo if you are interested. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jay Newton [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] > Sent: Thursday, July 05, 2001 11:28 AM > To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' > Subject: Looking for drive space utilization reports > > > > I am trying to find a good tool, preferrably Windows-based, that can help me > gather statistics on space utilization. I need this for our F840 Filer we > currently use, but I would like to be able to use it to look at space usage > elsewhere. I'm needing statistics on how much drive space is used, the type > of data using it, and which users are putting it there. > > Anyone out there have any ideas? > > > Jay Newton > Systems Engineer > Chesapeake Operating > 6112-114 > (405)810-2683 > (405)879-9578 fax >

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MSCS Exchange cluster and NetApp CFO cluster
by Joe Luchtenberg 10 Jul '01

10 Jul '01

Anybody out there running Exchange 5.5 on NT 4.0 SP6a with two-node, Active/Passive MSCS cluster and the information store on a NetApp CFO cluster (forgive my multiple instances of redundancy)? According to the documentation for SnapManager 1.1 this is now a supported configuration. Insight/comments/lessons learned greatly appreciated. Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757.858.0600 757.285.1223 (cell) 757.858.0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com

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RE: Deleting data on NetApp.
by Bokkelkamp Ernst SBS ITS GDP 2 14 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

A more practical suggestion: Industrial strength electric drill. No joke. I know a company which deals with very confidentional information (a service provider for tax consultants) which drills a hole right through every old disk drive before it leaves the premises. -Ernst -----Original Message----- From: Honeycutt, Michael [mailto:MichaelHoneycutt@NC.SLR.com] Sent: Montag, 9. Juli 2001 22:23 To: 'Jeffrey Krueger'; Fox, Adam Cc: 'Israel, Meital'; NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: RE: Deleting data on NetApp. Try an electromagnet. I hear they work wonders on disk data :) -----Original Message----- From: Jeffrey Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:56 PM To: Fox, Adam Cc: 'Israel, Meital'; NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) Subject: Re: Deleting data on NetApp. I just wish I could delete files on a NetApp from the console. It takes forever and a day to remove a hundred or more GB off a filer from either CIFS or NFS. An "rm" in the ONTAP CLI would be super handy. It could work *much* faster then over the wire. Further, an "rm -F" to delete files through the active file system and all snapshots would even be keener. =) -- Jeff On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 07:59:53AM -0700, Fox, Adam wrote: > This comes up quite a bit. It all depends on who how sophisticated > you think the person is who may be trying to retrieve the data is. > > For 99.99% of the world, just zero'ing the disks (even multiple times > if it makes you feel comfortable) is enough. > > I suppose you could create some dummy data to put on the disks after > you zero out the disks, then zero them out again. But that's a lot of > time and effort to get you from 99.99% to 99.999%. > > If you are concerned about professional, government-backed efforts to > recover the data, then your only real option is to destroy the disks > entirely. Bust them into thousands of pieces and dispose of those pieces > in different trash containers. While this is certainly expensive since > you can't return or re-use the disks, it is by far the most secure. > However, there are very few people who need this level of security, but > it's an option if your data abosulutely cannot ever be recovered. > > Hope this helps. > > -- Adam Fox > NetApp Professional Services, NC > adamfox(a)netapp.com > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Israel, Meital [mailto:meital.israel@intel.com] > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:55 AM > > To: NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) > > Subject: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > Does anyone know a utility to format the NetApp disks without > > being able to > > unformat it? > > > > Thanks, > > ************************************** > > Meital > > >

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RE: Deleting data on NetApp.
by Yoder, Alan 09 Jul '01

09 Jul '01

This leaves something like 90% of the data still accessible. If you're at this level of security I'd recommend chipping the drives into small pieces or immersing them in molten metal in a forge or mashing them beyond recognition with a 20 lb sledge. That last technique is even kinda fun. Have a party. In normal use, it is impossible to view the previous contents of a file once it and all snapshots containing it are deleted. WAFL zeroes every block before allocating it to a file, so you can't create a file and write to the millionth byte in the expectation of seeing a meg of info from deleted files the way you can on many other filesystems. Alan =============================================================== Alan G. Yoder, Ph.D. agy(a)netapp.com Network Appliance, Inc. Sunnyvale, CA 408-822-6919 =============================================================== > -----Original Message----- > From: Bokkelkamp Ernst SBS ITS GDP 2 14 > [mailto:Ernst.Bokkelkamp@mch10.sbs.de] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 2:26 PM > To: Honeycutt, Michael; 'Jeffrey Krueger'; Fox, Adam > Cc: 'Israel, Meital'; NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > A more practical suggestion: Industrial strength electric drill. > > No joke. I know a company which deals with very > confidentional information > (a service provider for tax consultants) which drills a hole > right through > every old disk drive before it leaves the premises. > > -Ernst > > -----Original Message----- > From: Honeycutt, Michael [mailto:MichaelHoneycutt@NC.SLR.com] > Sent: Montag, 9. Juli 2001 22:23 > To: 'Jeffrey Krueger'; Fox, Adam > Cc: 'Israel, Meital'; NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: RE: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > Try an electromagnet. I hear they work wonders on disk data :) > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jeffrey Krueger [mailto:jkrueger@qualcomm.com] > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 3:56 PM > To: Fox, Adam > Cc: 'Israel, Meital'; NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) > Subject: Re: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > I just wish I could delete files on a NetApp from the > console. It takes > forever and a day to remove a hundred or more GB off a filer > from either > CIFS or NFS. > > An "rm" in the ONTAP CLI would be super handy. It could work > *much* faster > then over the wire. Further, an "rm -F" to delete files > through the active > file system and all snapshots would even be keener. =) > > -- Jeff > > > On Mon, Jul 09, 2001 at 07:59:53AM -0700, Fox, Adam wrote: > > This comes up quite a bit. It all depends on who how sophisticated > > you think the person is who may be trying to retrieve the data is. > > > > For 99.99% of the world, just zero'ing the disks (even > multiple times > > if it makes you feel comfortable) is enough. > > > > I suppose you could create some dummy data to put on the disks after > > you zero out the disks, then zero them out again. But > that's a lot of > > time and effort to get you from 99.99% to 99.999%. > > > > If you are concerned about professional, government-backed > efforts to > > recover the data, then your only real option is to destroy the disks > > entirely. Bust them into thousands of pieces and dispose > of those pieces > > in different trash containers. While this is certainly > expensive since > > you can't return or re-use the disks, it is by far the most secure. > > However, there are very few people who need this level of > security, but > > it's an option if your data abosulutely cannot ever be recovered. > > > > Hope this helps. > > > > -- Adam Fox > > NetApp Professional Services, NC > > adamfox(a)netapp.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: Israel, Meital [mailto:meital.israel@intel.com] > > > Sent: Monday, July 09, 2001 8:55 AM > > > To: NetApp Mailing List (E-mail) > > > Subject: Deleting data on NetApp. > > > > > > > > > Hi All, > > > > > > Does anyone know a utility to format the NetApp disks without > > > being able to > > > unformat it? > > > > > > Thanks, > > > ************************************** > > > Meital > > > > > >

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