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DOT 6.1.1 + NBU 4.6 == /vol/vol0 path may not exist
by Jeffrey Krueger 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

Anyone else having difficulty backing up /vol/vol0 with Veritas after upgrading to DOT 6.1.1? We get the following error message: 0997254443 1 4 8 claxton 750651 750651 0 fuelcell bptm WRN - Cannot backup filepath /vol/vol0, NDMP_HALT_INTERNAL_ERROR occurred (path may not exist), skipping We also found this upon deeper investigation: Aug 10 21:02:15 GMT [ndmpd:52]: ReplySequence 0 Aug 10 21:02:15 GMT [ndmpd:52]: Error NDMP_NO_ERR Aug 10 21:02:15 GMT [ndmpd:52]: Log message: Cannot backup WAFL directory -- memory management problem. Here's the interesting rub: other volumes on that machine (/vol/root and /vol/vol1) backup just fine. /vol/vol0 won't backup to a local tape drive, or remote via NDMP 3-way. This has manifested itself on more than one machine, but not all 6.1.1 filers. Really strange. We're submitting a case to NetApp, but just wondering if we're the only ones seeing this problem. -- Jeff -- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Krueger, NetApp CA E-Mail: jeff(a)qualcomm.com Senior Engineer Phone: 858-651-6709 Storage Lead (NAS/SAN) Fax: 858-651-6627 QUALCOMM, Inc. IT Engineering Web: www.qualcomm.com

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Benchmarks
by Joe Luchtenberg 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

SPEC pulled the benchmark (SPECsfs97) that NetApp has used for so long as the yardstick for their screaming performance (see http://www.spec.org/osg/sfs97/sfs97_notice.html). As far as I can tell, there is no replacement from SPEC. Curiosity question: Do any of you out there in toasterland use published benchmark statistics in order to at least narrow the field when considering future storage options? If so, how does this development effect you? Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com

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VSCAN Timeouts
by Honeycutt, Michael 20 Aug '01

20 Aug '01

Does anyone know if you can change the time out for vscan requests? Come to think of it, does anyone know what the time out duration is? Michael Honeycutt MCSE/A+ Systems Engineer IBM Global Services

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RE: ndmpcopy problem
by Fox, Adam 17 Aug '01

17 Aug '01

Hmm..I haven't seen my one with an attachement come through, maybe the list doesn't allow it so I'll just post it in text here..it's not really that big. Enjoy! -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com ## ## Copyright (c) 1999 Network Appliance, Inc. All Rights Reserved. ## ## Permission is hereby granted, free of charge, to any person obtaining ## a copy of this software and associated documentation files (the ## "Software"), to deal in the Software without restriction, including ## without limitation the rights to use, copy, modify, merge, publish, ## distribute, sublicense, and/or sell copies of the Software, and to ## permit persons to whom the Software is furnished to do so, subject to ## the following conditions: ## ## The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included ## in all copies or substantial portions of the Software. ## ## THE SOFTWARE IS PROVIDED "AS IS", WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EXPRESS ## OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO THE WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY, ## FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE AND NONINFRINGEMENT. IN NO EVENT SHALL ## THE AUTHORS OR COPYRIGHT HOLDERS BE LIABLE FOR ANY CLAIM, DAMAGES OR OTHER ## LIABILITY, WHETHER IN AN ACTION OF CONTRACT, TORT OR OTHERWISE, ARISING ## FROM, OUT OF OR IN CONNECTION WITH THE SOFTWARE OR THE USE OR OTHER ## DEALINGS IN THE SOFTWARE. ## SUBDIRS= lib src TARGETS = all clean $(TARGETS):: for i in $(SUBDIRS); do cd $$i ; $(MAKE) $@ || exit 1; cd .. ;done > -----Original Message----- > From: Fox, Adam [mailto:Adam.Fox@netapp.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:47 PM > To: 'Jim Davis'; neil lehrer > Cc: toasters > Subject: RE: ndmpcopy problem > > > That's basically what I did with the version I > attached on my last message. I hacked out that > version a month or two ago when a TSE had a call > with that issue so I wrote it up. It's a pretty > simple change. > > -- Adam Fox > NetApp Professional Services, NC > adamfox(a)netapp.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Jim Davis [mailto:jdavis@cs.arizona.edu] > > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:07 PM > > To: neil lehrer > > Cc: toasters > > Subject: Re: ndmpcopy problem > > > > > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, neil lehrer wrote: > > > > > hi, > > > > > > i downloaded ndmpcopy 1.2 from ndmp.org > > > > > > when i first tried to make it on solaris 7 i got > > > > > > make: Fatal error: Unknown option `-C' > > > > Are you using Sun's make (/usr/ccs/bin/make)? I get a > > similar error on > > Solaris 7 with that, but it works with GNU make. > > > > The '-C' is basically just to cd to the lib and src > > subdirectories and run > > the Makefiles there, so you could modify the toplevel Makefile > > appropriately if you wanted to stick with Sun's make. > > >

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ndmpcopy problem solved
by neil lehrer 17 Aug '01

17 Aug '01

got solaris binary. also, got sun compatible makefile. thanks to everyone. -- regards +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ + Neil Lehrer + + United States International Broadcasting Bureau + System Development Division + + voice 202 619-2524 + fax 202 619-3576 + nlehrer(a)ibb.gov + + " is this crisis an opportunity or just + another grab the fire extinguisher moment?" + +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

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RE: ndmpcopy problem
by Fox, Adam 17 Aug '01

17 Aug '01

That's basically what I did with the version I attached on my last message. I hacked out that version a month or two ago when a TSE had a call with that issue so I wrote it up. It's a pretty simple change. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Davis [mailto:jdavis@cs.arizona.edu] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 1:07 PM > To: neil lehrer > Cc: toasters > Subject: Re: ndmpcopy problem > > > On Fri, 17 Aug 2001, neil lehrer wrote: > > > hi, > > > > i downloaded ndmpcopy 1.2 from ndmp.org > > > > when i first tried to make it on solaris 7 i got > > > > make: Fatal error: Unknown option `-C' > > Are you using Sun's make (/usr/ccs/bin/make)? I get a > similar error on > Solaris 7 with that, but it works with GNU make. > > The '-C' is basically just to cd to the lib and src > subdirectories and run > the Makefiles there, so you could modify the toplevel Makefile > appropriately if you wanted to stick with Sun's make. >

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ndmpcopy problem
by neil lehrer 17 Aug '01

17 Aug '01

hi, i downloaded ndmpcopy 1.2 from ndmp.org when i first tried to make it on solaris 7 i got make: Fatal error: Unknown option `-C' *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `all' from the src: SUBDIRS= lib src TARGETS = all clean $(TARGETS):: for i in $(SUBDIRS); do $(MAKE) -C $$i $@ || exit 1; done removing the '-C' does not correct the problem. suggestions? -- regards

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RE: ndmpcopy problem
by Manley, David 17 Aug '01

17 Aug '01

I believe -C is a gmake option, but wouldn't swear to it. Does your problem go away if you use gmake instead of make? -dave -----Original Message----- From: neil lehrer To: toasters Sent: 8/17/01 8:39 AM Subject: ndmpcopy problem hi, i downloaded ndmpcopy 1.2 from ndmp.org when i first tried to make it on solaris 7 i got make: Fatal error: Unknown option `-C' *** Error code 1 make: Fatal error: Command failed for target `all' from the src: SUBDIRS= lib src TARGETS = all clean $(TARGETS):: for i in $(SUBDIRS); do $(MAKE) -C $$i $@ || exit 1; done removing the '-C' does not correct the problem. suggestions? -- regards <<Card for neil lehrer>>

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None
by owner-toasters＠mathworks.com 17 Aug '01

17 Aug '01

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RE: F880
by Joe Luchtenberg 17 Aug '01

17 Aug '01

Dual CPU F840. Same capacity, expansion slots, etc. The second processor is for performance, not fault tolerance, and they're advertising 50% performance increase (purportedly; haven't seen benchmark data). Also, PC card drive replaces floppy. Oh, and the bezel is UUUUUUUGLY! Supposed to be orderable, even though it hasn't been publicly announced. Joe Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Don Hickey [mailto:don.hickey@rebel.com] > Sent: Friday, August 17, 2001 10:40 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: F880 > > > I've seen an ad. for this... What is the 880 filer???? I > couldn't find > any product announcement on NOW or the regular netapp site. > > Thanks. >

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F880
by Don Hickey 17 Aug '01

17 Aug '01

I've seen an ad. for this... What is the 880 filer???? I couldn't find any product announcement on NOW or the regular netapp site. Thanks.

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What happenned to the archive?
by Joe Luchtenberg 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

For several days I have been unable to pull up http://teaparty.mathworks.com:1999/toasters. Help? Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com

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RE: Snapshot Cheats?
by Traitel, Eyal 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

You can do: snap create before_delete delete files snap delete before_delete But this will not bring you into any better situation than the beginning one... Usually I view it like a cake - you cannot eat it and expect it to be still complete - if you want to be able to restore files you will have to keep the snapshot. If disk space is more important at this point, just delete old snapshots OR change snap reserve. ----------------------------------------------------------------- eTraitel - I'm the new eBuzzword around !!! Filer Escalation Engineer CNA, MCSE, CSA, LCA, NetApp CA Network Appliance BV Hoofddorp, The Netherlands Office: +31 23 567 9685 Cellular: +31 6 5497 2568 Get answers NOW! - NetApp On the Web - http://now.netapp.com ----------------------------------------------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: Kennard, Dave M SITI-ISEL-31 [mailto:Dave.M.Kennard@is.shell.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 10:19 To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Snapshot Cheats? List, Is there any way to cheat with snapshots so that data in them can be deleted? I have stupidly let a volume on my filer grow to capacity and want to free up space my moving files to another volume, if I just move the files I will get no gain in free disk space because the files will exist in the snapshot right? Could I cheat this by taking a snapshot of the volume before I delete the files then delete the snapshot after the file are deleted? Regards Dave Kennard

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RE: What happenned to the archive?
by Joe Luchtenberg 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

It's back up now (or at least I'm able to get to it again). Thanks, K. The archive page is a pretty huge download. If this presents any probelms for you, then you may want to try the search page at http://teaparty.mathworks.com:1999/toasters/Search.html. HTH. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: John Stoffel [mailto:stoffel@casc.com] > Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 12:32 PM > To: Joe Luchtenberg > Cc: 'toasters' > Subject: Re: What happenned to the archive? > > > > Joe> For several days I have been unable to pull up > Joe> http://teaparty.mathworks.com:1999/toasters. Help? > > I have *never* been able to access the archive. I wish I could... > > John >

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RE: NetBackup problem logs
by Rudie, Tony 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

that's a Veritas bug, and there's a patch for it. get the latest patches for NetBackup from Veritas tech support. -----Original Message----- From: Fayek, Ahmed [mailto:ahmed_fayek@mentorg.com] Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 3:15 AM To: NDMP mailing list (E-mail); toasters (NetApp) mailing list (E-mail); Veritas mailing list (E-mail) Subject: Netbackup problem logs Hello All I'm using Netbackup to backup Netapp servers ( NDMP). After first time backup i received the following error in the Netbackup problem logs email : TIME SERVER/CLIENT TEXT 08/14/2001 16:03:33 alpha toast1 put_ino: file 4M5TTVH.iccel_1 name cannot begin with name array terminator character 08/14/2001 16:03:33 alpha toast1 ndmp_bpfsmap_dir: put_ino returned -1 alpha = Netbackup server toast1 = Netapp filer Anybody got idea about this error ? is it serious ? Nice day All Ahmed

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Snapshot Cheats?
by Kennard, Dave M SITI-ISEL-31 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

List, Is there any way to cheat with snapshots so that data in them can be deleted? I have stupidly let a volume on my filer grow to capacity and want to free up space my moving files to another volume, if I just move the files I will get no gain in free disk space because the files will exist in the snapshot right? Could I cheat this by taking a snapshot of the volume before I delete the files then delete the snapshot after the file are deleted? Regards Dave Kennard

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Netbackup problem logs
by Fayek, Ahmed 16 Aug '01

16 Aug '01

Hello All I'm using Netbackup to backup Netapp servers ( NDMP). After first time backup i received the following error in the Netbackup problem logs email : TIME SERVER/CLIENT TEXT 08/14/2001 16:03:33 alpha toast1 put_ino: file 4M5TTVH.iccel_1 name cannot begin with name array terminator character 08/14/2001 16:03:33 alpha toast1 ndmp_bpfsmap_dir: put_ino returned -1 alpha = Netbackup server toast1 = Netapp filer Anybody got idea about this error ? is it serious ? Nice day All Ahmed

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resizing boot volume
by neil lehrer 15 Aug '01

15 Aug '01

i am going to redo my boot volume. no data to save. steps: create new volume /vol/vol1 vol create /vol/vol1 2 export /vol/vol1 copy /etc from vol0 to vol1 make vol1 the root volume vol options /vol/vo11 root reboot if vol1 shows as the root volume then vol offline /vol/vol0 reboot vol destroy /vol/vol0 rename back to default root vol name vol rename /vol/vol1 /vol/vol0 add some disks back to the new vol0 vol add /vol/vol0 3 am i missing anything? thanks. -- regards

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RE: /net/filer/blah vs. /net/filer/vol/vol0/blah
by Mike Sphar 15 Aug '01

15 Aug '01

I'm only running 6.0, so it's possible something changed in 6.1, but I've been able to adjust those paths simply by editing the /etc/exports file to export the paths without the vol0. -----Original Message----- From: Jim Davis [mailto:jdavis@cs.arizona.edu] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 9:46 AM To: toasters Subject: /net/filer/blah vs. /net/filer/vol/vol0/blah After upgrading from 5.3.4-mumble to 6.1.1, it seems that clients can't access pathnames like /net/filer/whatever, but rather have to use /net/filer/vol/vol0/whatever. I think before both seemed to work more or less interchangeably, and unfortunately we have some symlinks that use the old form to point to various things that now are missing. I'm probably just missing something obvious, but is there a way to get the old behavior without using '/vol/vol0' in those pathnames?

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RE: resizing boot volume
by Fox, Adam 15 Aug '01

15 Aug '01

Actually you can offline vol0 before you reboot. It won't actually offline the volume until you reboot but it will mark it to be offlined. Or if you are running 6.x, you can do it as you want but you won't need the 2nd reboot because you can offline non-root volumes without a reboot on 6.x. If you are running pre-6.x, you can do the first method and only have 1 reboot. Just a thought. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: neil lehrer [mailto:nlehrer@ibb.gov] > Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 1:04 PM > To: toasters > Subject: resizing boot volume > > > i am going to redo my boot volume. no data to save. > > steps: > create new volume /vol/vol1 > vol create /vol/vol1 2 > > export /vol/vol1 > > copy /etc from vol0 to vol1 > > make vol1 the root volume > vol options /vol/vo11 root > > reboot > > if vol1 shows as the root volume then > vol offline /vol/vol0 > reboot > vol destroy /vol/vol0 > > rename back to default root vol name > vol rename /vol/vol1 /vol/vol0 > > add some disks back to the new vol0 > vol add /vol/vol0 3 > > > am i missing anything? > > thanks. > > > > -- > > > regards >

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RE: ndmpcopy - dir size changes
by Link, Bill (OTS-EDH) 15 Aug '01

15 Aug '01

Over time as files are deleted directories get more and more deleted entries which are essentially holes in the directory file. NDMPCOPY or even extracting a tar archive will compress the directory files by deleting the unused dirents. Bill -----Original Message----- From: Manny Kaiser [mailto:mkaiser@mmcnet.com] Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2001 9:38 AM To: toasters Subject: ndmpcopy - dir size changes Hi, I just performed a ndmpcopy on my filer. I ran an ls -lR on the original location and on the new location. The files and sizes were identical, the directory sizes differed. Anyone have any ideas why? Thanks Manny Notice: This e-mail and any attachments are intended only for the individual or company to which it is addressed and may contain information which is privileged, confidential and prohibited from disclosure or unauthorized use under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are hereby notified that any use, dissemination, or copying of this e-mail or the information contained in this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender. If you have received this transmission in error, please return the material received to the sender and delete all copies from your system. Thank you.

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RE: boot volume with no data
by Fox, Adam 15 Aug '01

15 Aug '01

Okay, I've heard lots of debates on this, here's my opinion and I'm sure others will disagree. I'm not a big fan of root-only volumes. I think that overall they are a big waste of space for very little gain. However, there are some good reasons to do it depending on your scenario. 1. SnapMirror. If you are SnapMirroring all of your data then it is a good idea to have your root volume on a separate volume. This allows you to offline your data volumes at will which is good for initial transfers or resynching back to a source. 2. SnapRestore. If your application or dataset makes regular use of SnapRestore..yes I've seen this in a case where customers like to snapshot a known good dataset, have their users mess with it, then SnapRestore back to the known good dataset afterwards. If this is your scenario, then yes, a root volume is a good idea. 3. Lots of vol copy'ing. If you do lots of vol copy commands in your dataset, then for the same reason as SnapMirror, the offline ability is a good one. There may be others out there in the world, but these are the most common. But in my opinion, for the 50-60MB that /etc typically takes up, is it worth dedicating 2 36GB or 72GB drives? Maybe so, but most of my customers don't think so. Just one geek's opinion. There isn't really a single right or wrong answer on this one. -- Adam Fox NetApp Professional Services, NC adamfox(a)netapp.com > -----Original Message----- > From: neil lehrer [mailto:nlehrer@ibb.gov] > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 11:56 AM > To: toasters > Subject: boot volume with no data > > > are there any particular advantages or disadvantages to just > having ontap on > vol0 and data on other volumes? > -- > > > regards >

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Re: boot volume with no data
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 15 Aug '01

15 Aug '01

We have NetApp 9gb FC or SCSI shelves/drives available -- cheap! Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 FAX: 952 935 5056 scott(a)unioncomputer.com

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RE: boot volume with no data
by Joe Luchtenberg 14 Aug '01

14 Aug '01

As far as I can tell, the only 9GB drives currently orderable from NetApp are ZCS drives for the FC9 shelf on the F740. I checked Quoter and NetApp Market on NOW. According to the SysConfig Guide on NOW, the non-checksum 9GB drive for the FC7 is also a supported config for F740/820/840 and the 9GB UltraSCSI drive for Dual Storage Shelf 2 is supported on F740, but none of these are orderable today (perhops Scott at UCE... no, I didn't really say that ;-). However, for new systems, if you want a separate root volume, you need at least 2x 18GB. Perhaps this is less of an issue with 14-disk shelves now (not so much additional incremental shelf $, although it does eat into available scalability). I liked John's suggestion about a flashdisk boot volume. Perhaps someone from NetApp can address futures? Joe Luchtenberg Dataline, Inc. 757-858-0600 757-285-1223 (mobile) 757-858-0606 (fax) joe.luchtenberg(a)data-line.com www.data-line.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Marchand, Paul [mailto:Paul.Marchand@netapp.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 1:26 PM > To: Fox, Adam; 'neil lehrer'; toasters > Subject: RE: boot volume with no data > > > I agree with Adam except I do like a separate root volume as > it makes life much easier for all the reasons he mentioned. > It is a huge waste of space unless you can convince the > customer to purchase 3 9 gig drives, 2 for root 1 for parity > in addition to their other storage requirements. You don't > waste as much space that way and just maybe the customer may > buy an extra shelf with only 3 bays occupied which could > accommodate 4 more drives at a future point in time. > > -Paul > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Paul E. Marchand > Network Appliance ~ Systems Engineer > fast simple reliable > marchand(a)netapp.com > 408.822.3213 415.793.8881(cell) > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Fox, Adam [mailto:Adam.Fox@netapp.com] > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 9:54 AM > To: 'neil lehrer'; toasters > Subject: RE: boot volume with no data > > > Okay, I've heard lots of debates on this, here's my opinion > and I'm sure others will disagree. > > I'm not a big fan of root-only volumes. I think that overall > they are a big waste of space for very little gain. However, > there are some good reasons to do it depending on your scenario. > > 1. SnapMirror. If you are SnapMirroring all of your data then > it is a good idea to have your root volume on a separate volume. > This allows you to offline your data volumes at will which is good > for initial transfers or resynching back to a source. > > 2. SnapRestore. If your application or dataset makes regular use > of SnapRestore..yes I've seen this in a case where customers like > to snapshot a known good dataset, have their users mess with it, then > SnapRestore back to the known good dataset afterwards. If this is > your scenario, then yes, a root volume is a good idea. > > 3. Lots of vol copy'ing. If you do lots of vol copy commands in your > dataset, then for the same reason as SnapMirror, the offline ability > is a good one. > > There may be others out there in the world, but these are the most > common. But in my opinion, for the 50-60MB that /etc typically takes > up, is it worth dedicating 2 36GB or 72GB drives? Maybe so, but most > of my customers don't think so. > > Just one geek's opinion. There isn't really a single right or wrong > answer on this one. > > -- Adam Fox > NetApp Professional Services, NC > adamfox(a)netapp.com > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: neil lehrer [mailto:nlehrer@ibb.gov] > > Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 11:56 AM > > To: toasters > > Subject: boot volume with no data > > > > > > are there any particular advantages or disadvantages to just > > having ontap on > > vol0 and data on other volumes? > > -- > > > > > > regards > > >

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RE: What does Z for CP-type in sysstat -u output mean?
by Yee, Steven 14 Aug '01

14 Aug '01

The next revision of the man page states that Z means "CP caused by internal sync" steve. -----Original Message----- From: Chris Thompson [mailto:cet1@cus.cam.ac.uk] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2001 11:10 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: What does Z for CP-type in sysstat -u output mean? I have just seen a "Z" in the "CP ty(pe)" column of some "sysstat -u" output (with ONTAP 6.1.1). Anyone know what this one means? It's not listed in the na_sysstat(1) man page. It occurred shortly before a scheduled snapshot that gave the expected "S". Chris Thompson University of Cambridge Computing Service, Email: cet1(a)ucs.cam.ac.uk New Museums Site, Cambridge CB2 3QG, Phone: +44 1223 334715 United Kingdom.

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