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how to delete ALL snapshots
by Audrey Reed 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Is there a quick way to delete ALL snapshots? Thanks, Audrey

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Toasterite in the news
by Joe Luchtenberg 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

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rm -rf on filers?
by Daniel Jung 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Hi fellow toasters, I have a 20GB size directory which I need to get rid of from one of the volumes on a F630 filer. If the directory was only data on the volume, I would just destroy the volume but it is not. The total volume size is 180GB. Is there a better way of doing rm -rf from the client? Ontap: 6.0.1R3 Filer:F630s with FC8 shelves Thanks in advance. Daniel Jung System Administrator GMO inc

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6.1.2R2 in dev environments
by Clawson, Simon 20 Mar '02

20 Mar '02

Hi! Has anyone installed OnTap 6.1.2R2 on a development filer? I am particualrly interested in groups who use RCS, Sniff and revision control systems. I had a big problem last OS upgrade (5.3.2R2) and want to be prepared this time round.. Simon Clawson Simon Clawson TEL:- +44 (0)1635 811409 HDL Designer Series Team Systems Administrator FAX:- +44 (0)1635 810108 Mentor Graphics Ireland Ltd (UK Branch) MOB:- +44 (0)7788 716071 Rivergate London Road Newbury Berkshire RG14 2QB

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19 Mar '02

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RE: Any NDMB backup applications warnings?
by Breniser, Larry 18 Mar '02

18 Mar '02

SCSI attached tape drives. LB -----Original Message----- From: Todd Phillips [mailto:toddp@iarchive.com] Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2002 12:54 PM To: Breniser, Larry; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Any NDMB backup applications warnings? Are you doing straight NDMP to fibre or SCSI direct attached Tape drives or is this SAN attached Filers in a Dynamic Drive Sharing environment? What are your basic goals and requirements? -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]On Behalf Of Breniser, Larry Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 4:24 PM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Any NDMB backup applications warnings? We are evaluating backup applications for our filers. Currently we are talking to Veritas (NetBackup), Legato (Networker) and CA (BrightStor). We may also speak to Workstation Solutions (Quick Restore). I would be interested in hearing about the communities experience with these products. In particular I would like to hear about any show-stoppers, major problems or even minor problems with any of these products when used to backup NetApp filers. Tanx! Larry

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What brand of gig cards does Netapp use? Intel, 3com, ??
by Art Hebert 16 Mar '02

16 Mar '02

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Any NDMB backup applications warnings?
by Breniser, Larry 16 Mar '02

16 Mar '02

We are evaluating backup applications for our filers. Currently we are talking to Veritas (NetBackup), Legato (Networker) and CA (BrightStor). We may also speak to Workstation Solutions (Quick Restore). I would be interested in hearing about the communities experience with these products. In particular I would like to hear about any show-stoppers, major problems or even minor problems with any of these products when used to backup NetApp filers. Tanx! Larry

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time/ntp problem
by Ozzie Sabina 16 Mar '02

16 Mar '02

I have a clustered pair of 840s running DOT 6.1.1R2. I also have a clustered pair of 760s running the same version of DOT. I'm talking about the 840s below, but I see the exact same behavior on the 760s. I am attempting to enable ntp on the filers, but it doesn't appear to be working. Here's my "timed" options: cf.timed.enable on (same value in local+partner recommended) timed.enable on (same value in local+partner recommended) timed.log on (same value in local+partner recommended) timed.max_skew 1h (same value in local+partner recommended) timed.min_skew 50 (same value in local+partner recommended) timed.proto ntp (same value in local+partner recommended) timed.sched 30m (same value in local+partner recommended) timed.servers ntp (same value in local+partner recommended) (The host 'ntp' is in the hosts file) Although it reports timing discrepancies, it doesn't actually change the time on the box...at least not the one reported by 'date': fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:56:45 EST 2002 fatman> Fri Mar 15 17:56:47 EST [fatman: Java Thread:info]: CfTimeDaemon: timed: adjusting time: filer thinks time is Fri Mar 15 22:56:47 GMT 2002. Time reported by time server ntp is Fri Mar 15 23:05:20 GMT 2002 (skew +513.246 secs). fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:57:00 EST 2002 Behavior is the same on both cluster boxes: littleboy> date Fri Mar 15 17:41:15 EST 2002 littleboy> Fri Mar 15 17:41:22 EST [littleboy: Java Thread:info]: CfTimeDaemon: timed: adjusting time: filer thinks time is Fri Mar 15 17:41:21 EST 2002. Time reported by time server cluster is Fri Mar 15 17:47:06 EST 2002 (skew +345.099 secs). littleboy> date Fri Mar 15 17:41:27 EST 2002 As I mentioned before, the 760s are doing the exact same thing. Is there something here that I'm missing? -=- In addition to this, I observed some additionally disturbing behavior on one of these boxes. After rebooting the box, the clock didn't advance for over 5 minutes: fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:46:29 EST 2002 fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:46:29 EST 2002 fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:46:29 EST 2002 fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:46:29 EST 2002 fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:46:29 EST 2002 fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:46:29 EST 2002 fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:46:29 EST 2002 ... (Those were typed in over several "real" minutes, then miraculously for no *apparent* reason, it started updating): fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:46:29 EST 2002 fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:46:32 EST 2002 fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:46:57 EST 2002 fatman> date Fri Mar 15 17:46:59 EST 2002 ... I've only seen this with one of the boxes and only once - since the box is in semi-production I can't afford to keep rebooting it to see if the behavior is consistant. Anyone else seen this? I checked NOW for a bug on my version of DOT with 'ntp' or 'date' in the title - no dice. Next up is opening a case with NA, I suppose. Oz

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Using diff on snapshots
by mitch＠netline.com 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Greetings! I've run across an issue that I'm surprised I've never run across before. I needed to find the differences between a file and it's counterpart in the snapshot area. When I ran a diff, it reported no differences. That was quite the shock since I knew for a fact the file had changed, albeit ever so slightly. I used cmp(1) on it, and it quickly noted that the files were different. # diff .snapshot/weekly.0/index.config index.config # cmp .snapshot/weekly.0/index.config index.config .snapshot/weekly.0/index.config index.config differ: char 2787, line 89 # tail -1 .snapshot/weekly.0/index.config index.config ==> .snapshot/weekly.0/index.config <== path: /home/indy ==> index.config <== path: /home/indy/clients There were more differences than this, but I knew the last line had a simple difference for this demonstration. Some observations: 1. If I use sdiff, it shows the files being identical... and always shows the line I know will differ as the one in the first file. 2. If I copy the two files, so neither is in the snapshot area, diff works as one would expect. 3. If I diff two completely different files, it does the right thing. I have reproduced this with clients running several releases of Solaris/SunOS as well as hosts running FreeBSD. Our filer is happily running 5.3.2R1P1D1. -- do svidaniya, ~mitch

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RE: FC_AL in slot 8?
by Walsh, Warren (MN65) 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

We had the same problem. Pretty easy to move the QLA 2100 FC-AL card to slot 1. There was a bug in an older version of the 7xx firmware (2.3 maybe?) that caused a panic with certain cards in certain slots. We ended up calling NetApp tech support and removing the gig-E cards to get the filer to boot, and then upgraded the firmware (2.8). The filer would then boot properly with the cards in the recommended slots. What's interesting is that the FC-AL card *came* in slot 8 when we got our 740 directly from NetApp. It's not like we put it in the wrong slot on purpose. We never even thought about the slot positions until we put in the gig-E cards, and then noticed the sysconfig errors. The recommendations from sysconfig -c and the NetApp "put this card in this slot" matrix do not seem to be in agreement. -warren Warren Walsh Honeywell Laboratories Information Technology 612-951-7837 warren.walsh(a)honeywell.com -----Original Message----- From: Öberg Mats [mailto:mats.oberg@tietoenator.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 5:13 AM To: Toasters (E-mail) Subject: FC_AL in slot 8? Hi, does anyone know if it's ok to use slot 8 in the F760 for fc-al? I'm asking this because it's in that slot right now, and it seems to be working, but the filer keeps telling me that it should be in any slot but slot8, so I was going to move it, but then I found this on the now site: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Make optimal use of Slot 8 This method of improving filer performance applies to F700 series filers only. The fastest available PCI slot in an F700 series filer that is not clustered is Slot 8. If your filer uses a 64-bit network interface card, put it in Slot 8 to take advantage of the speed. If the filer does not use a 64-bit network interface card, put the main FC-AL adapter in this slot. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- So, if it´s ok then how can I get rid of theese annoying error messages? By the way were at OnTap 6.1.1R2. ---- Mats

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FC_AL in slot 8?
by Öberg Mats 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Hi, does anyone know if it's ok to use slot 8 in the F760 for fc-al? I'm asking this because it's in that slot right now, and it seems to be working, but the filer keeps telling me that it should be in any slot but slot8, so I was going to move it, but then I found this on the now site: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Make optimal use of Slot 8 This method of improving filer performance applies to F700 series filers only. The fastest available PCI slot in an F700 series filer that is not clustered is Slot 8. If your filer uses a 64-bit network interface card, put it in Slot 8 to take advantage of the speed. If the filer does not use a 64-bit network interface card, put the main FC-AL adapter in this slot. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- So, if it´s ok then how can I get rid of theese annoying error messages? By the way were at OnTap 6.1.1R2. ---- Mats

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RE: MS SQL Server
by Venkat, Narayan 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Paul, SnapDrive for Microsoft SQL Server 2000 is designed using NetApp's Virtual Local Disk technology, which enhances NTFS volume management to provide local disk emulation. With SnapDrive, you get high reliability and is ideal for high-volume transaction environments. In addition, SnapDrive supports front-end application clustering (using Microsoft Cluster Server) and allows the usage of a filer volume as a quorum disk. If you need more information, please feel free to contact me. My contact number is below. Thanks. Narayan Venkat Manager, Windows Marketing Tel: (408) 822-3718 Cell: (408) 221-4297 -----Original Message----- From: Jay Newton (Email) [mailto:jnewton@chkenergy.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 7:47 AM To: 'Carruthers, Paul A'; 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: RE: MS SQL Server We tried it for several months and had nothing but problems with it. We connected our SQL servers to our F840 Filer using a private GigE backbone as NetApp suggested. Using both NT4 and Windows 2000, the transactions we were making would end up causing the redirector to fail and we would lose connection to the database. This is a flaw with Microsoft and not NetApp. These disconnects caused multiple database corruptions making us restore from older dumps. We have since moved all our SQL and Oracle databases back to local storage due to this problem. There is a product called SnapDrive (I think) from NetApp. It basically replaces the redirector. You have to be using Win2k and SQL2k with a dedicated volume per database server. Unless you use that, I wouldn't recommend putting SQL databases on a Filer. -----Original Message----- From: Carruthers, Paul A [ mailto:Paul_Carruthers@AIMFUNDS.COM <mailto:Paul_Carruthers@AIMFUNDS.COM> ] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:53 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: MS SQL Server Anybody willing to share their experiences running SQL Server against their filers. Good or bad, both appreciated... :) Cheers -- Paul.

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RE: MS SQL Server
by Jay Newton (Email) 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

We tried it for several months and had nothing but problems with it. We connected our SQL servers to our F840 Filer using a private GigE backbone as NetApp suggested. Using both NT4 and Windows 2000, the transactions we were making would end up causing the redirector to fail and we would lose connection to the database. This is a flaw with Microsoft and not NetApp. These disconnects caused multiple database corruptions making us restore from older dumps. We have since moved all our SQL and Oracle databases back to local storage due to this problem. There is a product called SnapDrive (I think) from NetApp. It basically replaces the redirector. You have to be using Win2k and SQL2k with a dedicated volume per database server. Unless you use that, I wouldn't recommend putting SQL databases on a Filer. -----Original Message----- From: Carruthers, Paul A [mailto:Paul_Carruthers@AIMFUNDS.COM] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 8:53 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: MS SQL Server Anybody willing to share their experiences running SQL Server against their filers. Good or bad, both appreciated... :) Cheers -- Paul.

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RE: FC_AL in slot 8?
by Sam Schorr 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

We have had both FCALs and Gig NICs in what the filer considers a non-optimal slot. However, these are just warnings - the impact, if there is any, can be in performance, as far as I know. We have run 4 F760s for a couple of years getting this same message, but since we did not want to take them down (24x7x235 availability) for something that was just a warning, we left them alone. No problems ever encountered. -----Original Message----- From: Öberg Mats [mailto:mats.oberg@tietoenator.com] Sent: Friday, March 15, 2002 3:13 AM To: Toasters (E-mail) Subject: FC_AL in slot 8? Hi, does anyone know if it's ok to use slot 8 in the F760 for fc-al? I'm asking this because it's in that slot right now, and it seems to be working, but the filer keeps telling me that it should be in any slot but slot8, so I was going to move it, but then I found this on the now site: ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- Make optimal use of Slot 8 This method of improving filer performance applies to F700 series filers only. The fastest available PCI slot in an F700 series filer that is not clustered is Slot 8. If your filer uses a 64-bit network interface card, put it in Slot 8 to take advantage of the speed. If the filer does not use a 64-bit network interface card, put the main FC-AL adapter in this slot. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------- So, if it´s ok then how can I get rid of theese annoying error messages? By the way were at OnTap 6.1.1R2. ---- Mats

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MS SQL Server
by Carruthers, Paul A 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Anybody willing to share their experiences running SQL Server against their filers. Good or bad, both appreciated... :) Cheers -- Paul.

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Re: FC_AL in slot 8?
by Rune Bakken 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Öberg Mats <mats.oberg(a)tietoenator.com> writes: > Hi, does anyone know if it's ok to use slot 8 in the F760 for fc-al? Which card do you have, the X2030A or the X2040B ?? You may want to check the System Configuration Guide NOW. >>>>>>>>>>>>.rune -- Rune Bakken Senior System Administrator Telenor Business Company (Nextra), IP-Services Ph: +47 22 77 03 93

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Solaris Jumpstart against a filer..
by kevin graham 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Getting entirely too excited about tftp.server, I've convererted a rather hefty Jumpstart setup over to using dhcp and doing tftp/root nfs/install nfs all off the filer. Its working beautifully, and just generally rocks. The one problem I'm having though is going booting from a snapmirrored volume. The client is always denied write access via mount options, so write operations always fail. .... However, when the volume is in ro snapmirrored state, the boot will hang after physical device probes. If I break the mirror, things work perfectly (w/o changes export options, etc). I was going to take this up w/ Sun and did in further myself, but I thought I'd run it by the list to see if anyone knew how filesystem semantics change when a volume is snapmirrored. ..kg..

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Is the "New Bug Alerts Profiler" working?
by Chris Thompson 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Has anyone received an alert yet from this new mechanism, which has replaced the old weekly New Bugs mailing list (which certainly did stop after 25 February as announced)? I set up a fairly inclusive profile (with the intention of pruning it a bit later if necessary), but have received absolutely nothing, and I'm getting a little suspicious ... Chris Thompson Email: cet1(a)cam.ac.uk

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RE: SQL I/O error
by Lella Bennett 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

We've seen it quite a bit, actually. In fact, this error is the reason we ended up removing our production databases from netapp filers. We've gone round and round with both NetApp and Microsoft on this issue and the bottom line is this: this error is due to the fact that the SQL traffic is going through the TCP/IP stack. Evidently, there is some latency that SQL server experiences while trying to communicate with the data file and the SQL server thinks that it's lost the connection and throws this error, marks the database suspect, etc... The other reason why this error may occur is that you've reached the maximum number of threads available. If this is the case, you will see an error in the NT event log referring to this. You can increase the number of available threads using a reg hack. If it's not caused by the threads issue, then I can't help ya. Like I said we experienced A LOT of pain due to this error and never could find a solution to it. Lella Bennett Systems Engineer NAREX Inc. 303.526.4000 ext 714 303.526.5130 fax 720.333.8175 cell www.narex.com -----Original Message----- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:PMAGLINGER@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:55 PM To: 'NetApps list server' Subject: SQL I/O error Anyone seen an SQL Server Error Log message saying : I/O error 59(An unexpected network error occurred.) detected during read of BUF pointer = 0x14685900, page ptr = 0x64c78000, pageid = (0x1:0x378), dbid = 7, status = 0x801, file = e:\sqldevices\dynamics\dyn\gpsdyn1dat.mdf.. where the e drive is mapped to our 740 filer running 6.1.1R2P1. We were looking at sysstat and CPU was at 95-100%, cache age fell from 35 to 0. Paul Maglinger, A+, CA, CET, MCSE Systems Administrator Shoe Carnival Inc. (812)867-4674 pmaglinger(a)scvl.com

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SQL I/O error
by Maglinger, Paul 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

Anyone seen an SQL Server Error Log message saying : I/O error 59(An unexpected network error occurred.) detected during read of BUF pointer = 0x14685900, page ptr = 0x64c78000, pageid = (0x1:0x378), dbid = 7, status = 0x801, file = e:\sqldevices\dynamics\dyn\gpsdyn1dat.mdf.. where the e drive is mapped to our 740 filer running 6.1.1R2P1. We were looking at sysstat and CPU was at 95-100%, cache age fell from 35 to 0. Paul Maglinger, A+, CA, CET, MCSE Systems Administrator Shoe Carnival Inc. (812)867-4674 pmaglinger(a)scvl.com

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ndmp incremental did full
by neil lehrer 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

hi, my ndmp incremental backup did a full backup. this was on the day after i converted the homedir qtree from unix style to ntfs and wrote acls for every dir and file. would this have caused dump to backup everything? ontap 6.1.1r2p1d17 --

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Adding memory to NetApp 740
by Maglinger, Paul 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

Has anyone ever tried adding more memory to a 740? We have 512MB in ours now, but would like to increase it to 1GB. Remember, you are unique... just like everyone else! Paul Maglinger, A+, CA, CET, MCSE Systems Administrator Shoe Carnival Inc. (812)867-4674 pmaglinger(a)scvl.com

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RE: SYSTEM_ID?
by Reger, Brad 13 Mar '02

13 Mar '02

[I've added a few notes on F85 and F87 to Guy's text below.] Guy Harris wrote: On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 02:46:25PM -0800, Jay Soffian wrote: > - Where does DOT grab the SYSTEM_ID from? The NVRAM card? The > motherboard? There are, for various historical reasons, several different system identification numbers for NetApp systems. I will give details on all of them, but will assume that by "SYSTEM_ID" you mean what is reported as "SYSTEM_ID=XXX" in autosupport mail; that comes from the NVRAM card. The original one, which is what is reported as "SYSTEM_ID=XXX" in autosupport mail, comes, on any NetApp system with an NVRAM card, *purely* from the NVRAM card - *none* of it comes from the motherboard or the chassis. On NetApp systems *without* NVRAM cards - i.e., C1100 and C1105 NetCache appliances - the "SYSTEM_ID" value is generated from the system serial number. That is not the case on any other platforms. That serial number, obviously, is not guaranteed to remain the same throughout the life of the system, as the NVRAM card can be replaced if it fails. With the F7xx/C7xx series, a serial number was put on the motherboard. Unfortunately, that's subject to change over the life of the system as well, as the motherboard is also replaceable. The C1100 and C1105 also have a serial "number" on the motherboard (I put "number" in quotes as it's not numeric - it includes letters); however, as the only replaceable unit on a C1100 or C1105 is the entire system, that number won't change for a system. (That's the number used to generate the "SYSTEM_ID" value.) The F85 and F87 do not have motherboard serial numbers that are reported. The motherboard serial number shows up in "sysconfig -v" output under "slot 0: System Board" as "Serial Number" on those platforms, at least in ONTAP 6.0/6.1 and NetCache 5.0/5.1/5.2 (I haven't checked what earlier releases do). With the F8xx/C3xxx/C6xxx series, a serial number was also put on the chassis. If you replace the chassis, you've replaced the system, so that number doesn't change over the life of the system. (Those machines also have a motherboard serial number.) On the C1100/C1105, I no longer remember whether separate motherboard and system serial numbers exist (not that it matters in the grander scheme of things, given that the motherboard isn't replaceable). The F85 and F87 have system serial numbers that are actually stored on the motherboard. If you swap motherboards on an F85, the system serial number will change so we provide a utility you can use to set it back to the sticker that's on the back of the chassis. Note that this serial number is alphanumeric. We don't support motherboard swaps on F87 so no matter where the number is actually stored, it should always match the sticker on the back of the chassis. This is a numeric-only serial number. At least in ONTAP 6.1 and NetCache 5.0/5.1/5.2, if a system has a chassis (system) serial number, it'll be reported by "sysconfig" (with or without "-v") as "System Serial Number". In autosupport mail in ONTAP 6.0/6.1 and NetCache 5.0/5.1/5.2: on systems with a chassis serial number, that number will be reported after the ===== SYSTEM SERIAL NUMBER ===== line as system serial number = XXX on systems *without* a chassis serial number, but with an "/etc/serialnum" file, the text in the first line of that file will be reported after the ===== SYSTEM SERIAL NUMBER ===== line as system serial number = XXX on systems with neither a chassis serial number nor an "/etc/serialnum" file, there will be no ===== SYSTEM SERIAL NUMBER ===== or system serial number = XXX line in the autosupport mail. ("/etc/serialnum" will *not* override the chassis serial number.) > - Is the SYSTEM_ID burned electronically into the system at NetApp, or > can it be reset in the field? The NVRAM serial number is burned electronically into the NVRAM card, and isn't reset in the field. > - Are the duplicate SYSTEM_ID's an accident? Yes. It's not supposed to happen.

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SYSTEM_ID?
by Jay Soffian 13 Mar '02

13 Mar '02

We've got a situation where our company (Loudcloud, Inc.) has a filer reporting the same SYSTEM_ID as a filer from another company (Toshiba). Recently, Toshiba's filer threw a disk and sent in an autosupport mail. Netapp was kind enough to open a ticket, and assign it to Loudcloud, Inc. Oops. Apparently, whatever parses the autosupport mail at NetApp uses the SYSTEM_ID to map the NetApp to an account (service contract). So, my questions are: - Where does DOT grab the SYSTEM_ID from? The NVRAM card? The motherboard? - Is the SYSTEM_ID burned electronically into the system at NetApp, or can it be reset in the field? - Are the duplicate SYSTEM_ID's an accident? Thanks. j. -- Jay Soffian System Administrator 408 744 7584 Loudcloud, Inc.

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