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Re: FC_AL in slot 8?
by Rune Bakken 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Öberg Mats <mats.oberg(a)tietoenator.com> writes: > Hi, does anyone know if it's ok to use slot 8 in the F760 for fc-al? Which card do you have, the X2030A or the X2040B ?? You may want to check the System Configuration Guide NOW. >>>>>>>>>>>>.rune -- Rune Bakken Senior System Administrator Telenor Business Company (Nextra), IP-Services Ph: +47 22 77 03 93

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Solaris Jumpstart against a filer..
by kevin graham 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Getting entirely too excited about tftp.server, I've convererted a rather hefty Jumpstart setup over to using dhcp and doing tftp/root nfs/install nfs all off the filer. Its working beautifully, and just generally rocks. The one problem I'm having though is going booting from a snapmirrored volume. The client is always denied write access via mount options, so write operations always fail. .... However, when the volume is in ro snapmirrored state, the boot will hang after physical device probes. If I break the mirror, things work perfectly (w/o changes export options, etc). I was going to take this up w/ Sun and did in further myself, but I thought I'd run it by the list to see if anyone knew how filesystem semantics change when a volume is snapmirrored. ..kg..

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Is the "New Bug Alerts Profiler" working?
by Chris Thompson 15 Mar '02

15 Mar '02

Has anyone received an alert yet from this new mechanism, which has replaced the old weekly New Bugs mailing list (which certainly did stop after 25 February as announced)? I set up a fairly inclusive profile (with the intention of pruning it a bit later if necessary), but have received absolutely nothing, and I'm getting a little suspicious ... Chris Thompson Email: cet1(a)cam.ac.uk

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RE: SQL I/O error
by Lella Bennett 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

We've seen it quite a bit, actually. In fact, this error is the reason we ended up removing our production databases from netapp filers. We've gone round and round with both NetApp and Microsoft on this issue and the bottom line is this: this error is due to the fact that the SQL traffic is going through the TCP/IP stack. Evidently, there is some latency that SQL server experiences while trying to communicate with the data file and the SQL server thinks that it's lost the connection and throws this error, marks the database suspect, etc... The other reason why this error may occur is that you've reached the maximum number of threads available. If this is the case, you will see an error in the NT event log referring to this. You can increase the number of available threads using a reg hack. If it's not caused by the threads issue, then I can't help ya. Like I said we experienced A LOT of pain due to this error and never could find a solution to it. Lella Bennett Systems Engineer NAREX Inc. 303.526.4000 ext 714 303.526.5130 fax 720.333.8175 cell www.narex.com -----Original Message----- From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:PMAGLINGER@scvl.com] Sent: Thursday, March 14, 2002 3:55 PM To: 'NetApps list server' Subject: SQL I/O error Anyone seen an SQL Server Error Log message saying : I/O error 59(An unexpected network error occurred.) detected during read of BUF pointer = 0x14685900, page ptr = 0x64c78000, pageid = (0x1:0x378), dbid = 7, status = 0x801, file = e:\sqldevices\dynamics\dyn\gpsdyn1dat.mdf.. where the e drive is mapped to our 740 filer running 6.1.1R2P1. We were looking at sysstat and CPU was at 95-100%, cache age fell from 35 to 0. Paul Maglinger, A+, CA, CET, MCSE Systems Administrator Shoe Carnival Inc. (812)867-4674 pmaglinger(a)scvl.com

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SQL I/O error
by Maglinger, Paul 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

Anyone seen an SQL Server Error Log message saying : I/O error 59(An unexpected network error occurred.) detected during read of BUF pointer = 0x14685900, page ptr = 0x64c78000, pageid = (0x1:0x378), dbid = 7, status = 0x801, file = e:\sqldevices\dynamics\dyn\gpsdyn1dat.mdf.. where the e drive is mapped to our 740 filer running 6.1.1R2P1. We were looking at sysstat and CPU was at 95-100%, cache age fell from 35 to 0. Paul Maglinger, A+, CA, CET, MCSE Systems Administrator Shoe Carnival Inc. (812)867-4674 pmaglinger(a)scvl.com

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ndmp incremental did full
by neil lehrer 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

hi, my ndmp incremental backup did a full backup. this was on the day after i converted the homedir qtree from unix style to ntfs and wrote acls for every dir and file. would this have caused dump to backup everything? ontap 6.1.1r2p1d17 --

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Adding memory to NetApp 740
by Maglinger, Paul 14 Mar '02

14 Mar '02

Has anyone ever tried adding more memory to a 740? We have 512MB in ours now, but would like to increase it to 1GB. Remember, you are unique... just like everyone else! Paul Maglinger, A+, CA, CET, MCSE Systems Administrator Shoe Carnival Inc. (812)867-4674 pmaglinger(a)scvl.com

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RE: SYSTEM_ID?
by Reger, Brad 13 Mar '02

13 Mar '02

[I've added a few notes on F85 and F87 to Guy's text below.] Guy Harris wrote: On Fri, Mar 08, 2002 at 02:46:25PM -0800, Jay Soffian wrote: > - Where does DOT grab the SYSTEM_ID from? The NVRAM card? The > motherboard? There are, for various historical reasons, several different system identification numbers for NetApp systems. I will give details on all of them, but will assume that by "SYSTEM_ID" you mean what is reported as "SYSTEM_ID=XXX" in autosupport mail; that comes from the NVRAM card. The original one, which is what is reported as "SYSTEM_ID=XXX" in autosupport mail, comes, on any NetApp system with an NVRAM card, *purely* from the NVRAM card - *none* of it comes from the motherboard or the chassis. On NetApp systems *without* NVRAM cards - i.e., C1100 and C1105 NetCache appliances - the "SYSTEM_ID" value is generated from the system serial number. That is not the case on any other platforms. That serial number, obviously, is not guaranteed to remain the same throughout the life of the system, as the NVRAM card can be replaced if it fails. With the F7xx/C7xx series, a serial number was put on the motherboard. Unfortunately, that's subject to change over the life of the system as well, as the motherboard is also replaceable. The C1100 and C1105 also have a serial "number" on the motherboard (I put "number" in quotes as it's not numeric - it includes letters); however, as the only replaceable unit on a C1100 or C1105 is the entire system, that number won't change for a system. (That's the number used to generate the "SYSTEM_ID" value.) The F85 and F87 do not have motherboard serial numbers that are reported. The motherboard serial number shows up in "sysconfig -v" output under "slot 0: System Board" as "Serial Number" on those platforms, at least in ONTAP 6.0/6.1 and NetCache 5.0/5.1/5.2 (I haven't checked what earlier releases do). With the F8xx/C3xxx/C6xxx series, a serial number was also put on the chassis. If you replace the chassis, you've replaced the system, so that number doesn't change over the life of the system. (Those machines also have a motherboard serial number.) On the C1100/C1105, I no longer remember whether separate motherboard and system serial numbers exist (not that it matters in the grander scheme of things, given that the motherboard isn't replaceable). The F85 and F87 have system serial numbers that are actually stored on the motherboard. If you swap motherboards on an F85, the system serial number will change so we provide a utility you can use to set it back to the sticker that's on the back of the chassis. Note that this serial number is alphanumeric. We don't support motherboard swaps on F87 so no matter where the number is actually stored, it should always match the sticker on the back of the chassis. This is a numeric-only serial number. At least in ONTAP 6.1 and NetCache 5.0/5.1/5.2, if a system has a chassis (system) serial number, it'll be reported by "sysconfig" (with or without "-v") as "System Serial Number". In autosupport mail in ONTAP 6.0/6.1 and NetCache 5.0/5.1/5.2: on systems with a chassis serial number, that number will be reported after the ===== SYSTEM SERIAL NUMBER ===== line as system serial number = XXX on systems *without* a chassis serial number, but with an "/etc/serialnum" file, the text in the first line of that file will be reported after the ===== SYSTEM SERIAL NUMBER ===== line as system serial number = XXX on systems with neither a chassis serial number nor an "/etc/serialnum" file, there will be no ===== SYSTEM SERIAL NUMBER ===== or system serial number = XXX line in the autosupport mail. ("/etc/serialnum" will *not* override the chassis serial number.) > - Is the SYSTEM_ID burned electronically into the system at NetApp, or > can it be reset in the field? The NVRAM serial number is burned electronically into the NVRAM card, and isn't reset in the field. > - Are the duplicate SYSTEM_ID's an accident? Yes. It's not supposed to happen.

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SYSTEM_ID?
by Jay Soffian 13 Mar '02

13 Mar '02

We've got a situation where our company (Loudcloud, Inc.) has a filer reporting the same SYSTEM_ID as a filer from another company (Toshiba). Recently, Toshiba's filer threw a disk and sent in an autosupport mail. Netapp was kind enough to open a ticket, and assign it to Loudcloud, Inc. Oops. Apparently, whatever parses the autosupport mail at NetApp uses the SYSTEM_ID to map the NetApp to an account (service contract). So, my questions are: - Where does DOT grab the SYSTEM_ID from? The NVRAM card? The motherboard? - Is the SYSTEM_ID burned electronically into the system at NetApp, or can it be reset in the field? - Are the duplicate SYSTEM_ID's an accident? Thanks. j. -- Jay Soffian System Administrator 408 744 7584 Loudcloud, Inc.

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How do I know if ACLs have been set on a file?
by Öberg Mats 12 Mar '02

12 Mar '02

Hi, I have kind of a problem on one of our filers, we have a directory structure that consists of around 500000 directories. We run this filer in mixed mode, which means that a number of directories and files have NT-acls and others have unix-rights. Now, how can I find out what files/directories have ACL-s set? I know I could use the SecureShare-Tab from the Nt-side, but I don't think I will live for another 100years, so is there another way? ---- Mats

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Re: Use for bad drives
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 12 Mar '02

12 Mar '02

Hello, John: There is a possibility that your "expired" NetApp drives can be repaired. Go to: http://www.seagate.com/support/service/warranty_validation.html Surprisingly, some NetApp disk drives -- but not all -- can actually be returned by the end user directly to Seagate for warranty repair! To extract the drive from the NetApp cannister, you simply have to remove the four Phillips head screws on top and gently slide it out. (If you don't get lucky on the Seagate warranty, we'd be happy to quote you an inexpensive replacement drive!) Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 FAX: 952 935 5056 scott(a)unioncomputer.com In a message dated 3/8/2002 4:10:04 PM Central Standard Time, jcoke(a)ibeam.com writes: > I have a couple of expired 18GB FC drives and am wondering what to do with > the bodies. I do not want to throw them away because electronics are not > good for the environment. Does NetApp take them back for "recycling." I > don't really care about getting any money for them though I would like a > prepaid shipping container :-) > > John Coke > Information Security Specialist, Senior Hostmaster - RHCE, CCNA > Williams Communications > ph: 405.717.4895 > cell: 405.209.8519 > PGP fingerprint: 272F C31D 82C5 2C23 531F 65FF F56E 3951 C3B9 DB51 > PGP key ID 0xC3B9DB51 (pgp.mit.edu) > For your safety, this email has been encoded in double ROT13. > >

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DOT 6.1.2R1 dump|restore support on local tape library
by Brian Tao 12 Mar '02

12 Mar '02

What sort of support exists for manipulating tape libraries on a filer? I have an F740 running 6.1.2R1 in a heavy EMC environment using EDM for tape backup. I'm assuming EDM (being an EMC product) will not play well with the Netapp. I can attach an old Exabyte EXB-220 tape library (Mammoth-1 drive, 20 slots) to the F740's on-board SCSI. Given that there is no other backup hardware or software available, what can I do for backups? Is there an "mt" or other DOT command to control the robotics? The filer will eventually hold about 300GB, but I only need a short-term solution for now. First time with a direct-attached tape library... the docs don't say much about tape library support, only tape drives. -- Brian Tao (BT300, taob(a)risc.org) "Though this be madness, yet there is method in't"

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RE: CIFS/NFS case sensitivity...
by Muhlestein, Mark 11 Mar '02

11 Mar '02

The problem isn't just with the server, it's the client as well. Any Unix-based NFS client will also operate in a case-sensitive manner, as far as I know. Some people have used smbfs (on Linux/BSD+others?) to do achieve case insensitivity, since that uses CIFS to access files. There is another Unix client filesystem called Sharity that can do this for Solaris and several other platforms, I think. I can't vouch for how these work with the filer, but I have heard of people successfully using them. These Unix CIFS filesystems have some definite limitations, but they may be ok for what you are doing. Mark > -----Original Message----- > From: Scott Mikusko [mailto:guerilla@concentric.net] > Sent: Monday, March 11, 2002 11:30 AM > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: CIFS/NFS case sensitivity... > > > > > Reading info about case sensitivity and how the filer handles such via > CIFS & NFS clients, Netapp says that CIFS is case insensitive > (but case > preserving) and that NFS is case sensitive. > > Can one make NFS shared files NOT be case sensitive? > > I'm assuming this is just how NFS works, but wondered if > there was some > option that could be set that would allow NFS to ignore case > on the filer. > > > Any ideas on this would be appreciated. > > -Scott > > >

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Re: Use for bad drives
by ScottUCE＠aol.com 11 Mar '02

11 Mar '02

Hi, Geoff: You're right -- the disk warranties are supposed to be in force only directly with NetApp, but we have been able to get RMAs from Seagate for a number of broken NetApp drives. It's hit or miss, but worth a minute to plug in the serial numbers in hopes of getting lucky! Regards, Scott Scott Fischmann Union Computer Exchange, Inc. 6233 Idylwood Lane Minneapolis, MN 55436 Phone: 952 935 7282 FAX: 952 935 5056 scott(a)unioncomputer.com In a message dated 3/11/2002 12:14:55 PM Central Standard Time, geoff.hardin(a)dalsemi.com writes: > According to Seagate's web site, they will not RMA the drives because > they were sold as a component to NetApp. The warranty only extends to > the original purchaser and is non-transferable. > > Of course, if you're feeling lucky, you could try to replace the disk > inside with another Seagate drive (they don't sell the model ST318203FC > in their on-line store). The closest I can find on the site is a model > ST318452FC. At $340, it may be worth the chance if it works, compared > to $1,100 to get a disk from NetApp. > > Geoff Hardin > geoff.hardin(a)dalsemi.com

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CIFS/NFS case sensitivity...
by Scott Mikusko 11 Mar '02

11 Mar '02

Reading info about case sensitivity and how the filer handles such via CIFS & NFS clients, Netapp says that CIFS is case insensitive (but case preserving) and that NFS is case sensitive. Can one make NFS shared files NOT be case sensitive? I'm assuming this is just how NFS works, but wondered if there was some option that could be set that would allow NFS to ignore case on the filer. Any ideas on this would be appreciated. -Scott

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Re: Please help removing from mailing list
by Andrew Yee 11 Mar '02

11 Mar '02

>>> <lists(a)mathworks.com> Monday, October 15, 2001 11:40:19 AM >>> -- Welcome to the toasters mailing list! Please save this message for future reference. Thank you. If you ever want to remove yourself from this mailing list, you can send mail to <lists(a)mathworks.com> with the following command in the body of your email message: unsubscribe toasters If you ever need to get in contact with the owner of the list, (if you have trouble unsubscribing, or have questions about the list itself) send email to <owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com> . This is the general rule for most mailing lists when you need to contact a human. Here's the general information for the list you've subscribed to, in case you don't already have it: This is a totally unofficial mailing list for people who have Network Appliance toasters. It is not blessed by Network Appliance; it is, in true Internet spirit, a pure resource and grapevine for toaster administrators. There is an archive of postings to the list available on the web, which is updated regularly. You can find this, and browse the collected wisdom and net.witterings of other toaster admins and netapp chaps / chappesses at http://teaparty.mathworks.com:1999/toasters/ . It's searchable through http://teaparty.mathworks.com:1999/toasters/Search.html . It's presently administered by Kendall Libby, <fubar(a)mathworks.com>. He has two F330s and an F760, in case you were wondering. Disclaimy bit: I hate reading bounced email. I'll remove people who start to bounce. >>> "Tim Horn" <thorn(a)synopsys.com> Monday, March 11, 2002 10:06:28 AM >>> Greetings, It seems that my email address has been mistakenly included in this mailing list. Could someone please forward this removal request to an administrator, or reply with removal instructions? Your assistance is greatly appreciated.

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Please help removing from mailing list
by Tim Horn 11 Mar '02

11 Mar '02

Greetings, It seems that my email address has been mistakenly included in this mailing list. Could someone please forward this removal request to an administrator, or reply with removal instructions? Your assistance is greatly appreciated. ************************************* Tim Horn Manager, IT End User Support Synopsys, Inc. M/S 3A2.118B 2025 NW Cornelius Pass Road Hillsboro, OR 97124

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Re: Antivirus Software working wif Netapp NAS
by BK LIM 11 Mar '02

11 Mar '02

Hi Seth, Does Carrier Scan notified the user when they try to transfer an virus file to the filer? pop out window to show that the file has been infected by virus or has been cleared by the AV server? I have try on Netshield and ServerProtect, they don't alert the users. >From: "Seth Moskowitz" <sethmoskowitz(a)hotmail.com> >To: alf1650(a)hotmail.com, toasters(a)mathworks.com >Subject: Re: Antivirus Software working wif Netapp NAS >Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2002 08:04:05 -0500 > >I am running Symantec Carrier Scan 2.1.3.19 on both NT and Win2k Servers. I >am seeing very good performance but I am also running them on the same >network as the Filers, the Win2K boxes have GB interfaces and the NT box >has >a trunct 200MB connection. I have been running on NT since last April with >no major issues. > > >>From: "BK LIM" <alf1650(a)hotmail.com> >>To: toasters(a)mathworks.com >>Subject: Antivirus Software working wif Netapp NAS >>Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 01:53:54 +0800 >> >>Hi Toasters, >> >>Anyone using the Antivirus Software working with Netapp box right now? >>How is the performance? Good ? Any comment? >> >>Cheers, >>BK >> >>_________________________________________________________________ >>Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at >>http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. >> > > > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx

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Re: Antivirus Software working wif Netapp NAS
by Seth Moskowitz 11 Mar '02

11 Mar '02

I am running Symantec Carrier Scan 2.1.3.19 on both NT and Win2k Servers. I am seeing very good performance but I am also running them on the same network as the Filers, the Win2K boxes have GB interfaces and the NT box has a trunct 200MB connection. I have been running on NT since last April with no major issues. >From: "BK LIM" <alf1650(a)hotmail.com> >To: toasters(a)mathworks.com >Subject: Antivirus Software working wif Netapp NAS >Date: Sat, 09 Mar 2002 01:53:54 +0800 > >Hi Toasters, > >Anyone using the Antivirus Software working with Netapp box right now? >How is the performance? Good ? Any comment? > >Cheers, >BK > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. > _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

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Re: Hidden .snapshot on NFS?
by Mike Schiraldi 09 Mar '02

09 Mar '02

> try this. > vol options vol0 nosnapdir on > should be able to work This appears to completely disable the directory -- i can't even cd into it. I've been on systems where you didn't see it in, say, ls, but you could still change into the directory: $ ls .snapshot ls: .snapshot: No such file or directory $ cd .snapshot $ ls hourly.0 hourly.2 [snip] However, our installation can't do that. Has anyone been able to get this behavior over NFS?

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Use for bad drives
by John Coke 08 Mar '02

08 Mar '02

I have a couple of expired 18GB FC drives and am wondering what to do with the bodies. I do not want to throw them away because electronics are not good for the environment. Does NetApp take them back for "recycling." I don't really care about getting any money for them though I would like a prepaid shipping container :-) John Coke Information Security Specialist, Senior Hostmaster - RHCE, CCNA Williams Communications ph: 405.717.4895 cell: 405.209.8519 PGP fingerprint: 272F C31D 82C5 2C23 531F 65FF F56E 3951 C3B9 DB51 PGP key ID 0xC3B9DB51 (pgp.mit.edu) For your safety, this email has been encoded in double ROT13.

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Hidden .snapshot on NFS?
by Mike Schiraldi 08 Mar '02

08 Mar '02

Is it possible to hide .snapshot when using NFS instead of CIFS? We've tried options.nfs.show_snapshot=off and even, just for kicks, options.cifs.show_snapshot=off ... but it still shows up. Is this a known limitation? Thanks

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Antivirus Software working wif Netapp NAS
by BK LIM 08 Mar '02

08 Mar '02

Hi Toasters, Anyone using the Antivirus Software working with Netapp box right now? How is the performance? Good ? Any comment? Cheers, BK _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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Quota Notifying Script for NT
by BK LIM 08 Mar '02

08 Mar '02

Hi Toasters, Anyone have the quota Notifying Script for NT? Pls email me thanks, BK _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp.

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Linux Client issues
by Ben Rockwood 07 Mar '02

07 Mar '02

Hello Toasters. This isn't really a NetApp specific problem, but what better group to tap for NFS info than this. I've got several NetApp Filers serving, among other things, a pair of VALinux boxes running Linux (kernel 2.2.13 and 2.2.14). The odd thing is that one of the boxes seems to have no problems using the filers. However the other box (2.2.14-5.0.14csmp) keeps throwing fits that look like this: Mar 7 14:06:37 willy kernel: nfs: server 10.100.2.203 not responding, still trying Mar 7 14:06:37 willy kernel: nfs: server 10.100.2.203 not responding, still trying Mar 7 14:06:39 willy kernel: nfs: task 4788 can't get a request slot Mar 7 14:06:39 willy kernel: nfs: task 4789 can't get a request slot Mar 7 14:06:39 willy kernel: nfs: task 4790 can't get a request slot Mar 7 14:13:07 willy kernel: nfs: server 10.100.2.203 OK Mar 7 14:13:13 willy last message repeated 4 times The strange thing here is that the filer does not go offline, the other box is using it at the same time with not problems. Also these errors (in this cycle) start when as user starts a transfer and end a few minutes later. Any ideas? I don't belive this to be a networking issue at this time. Ben Rockwood brockwood(a)homestead-inc.com

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