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odd netstat indications
by Leonard, Roger 09 May '02

09 May '02

i have filers with ATM interfaces and two ELANS per ATM NIC configured. each of these ELANS is on its own IP network and all the ifconfig info such as netmask and broadcast look fine. each of these interfaces are separatley registered with my naming services and one of them is used for backup only. however, when doing a netstat and looking at the port connections, it appears that some of the traffic from my other networks is going to both interfaces. i am running routed on all filers and have proper default routes set up. the netstat -rn info looks correct as to which interface is getting routed to. i am confused as to why some of these connections in the netstat output appear to be going to my backup network interfaces. does anyone know of any issues with either routed or ATM LANE on the filers that could be causing this? thanks, roger

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RE: re-registering filer in wins
by jwitham＠takedapharm.com 09 May '02

09 May '02

I just ran the 'ifconfig yadda yadda yadda' at the console from /etc/rc and it reregistered with WINS on one of our dev 880 filers. It hung my telnet session for a second, so I'm assuming it dropped and re-brought up the link... YMMV. -john John Witham Infrastructure Security Architect Takeda Pharmaceuticals North America, Inc. e://jwitham@takedapharm.com A computer lets you make more mistakes faster than any invention in human history, with the possible exceptions of handguns and tequila. -Mitch Ratcliffe -----Original Message----- From: neil lehrer [mailto:nlehrer@ibb.gov] Sent: Thursday, May 09, 2002 10:08 AM To: toasters Cc: Dave Simonds Subject: re-registering filer in wins data ontap 6.1x, nfs and cifs on f760s we may need to rebuild our wins databases. we can re-register our nt servers after clearing wins by doing nbtstat -RR from the server. how do you re-register a filer? restarting cifs will do it. i tried C:\WINNT>nbtstat -a file1 -RR and got back "Done Release and Refresh of Registered names" but i don't know if it really did anything. has anyone done this before, i didn't see anything in now other than restarting cifs. ---- regards This message is for the designated recipient only and may contain privileged or confidential information. If you have received it in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original. Any other use of the email by you is prohibited.

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qtree properties
by neil lehrer 09 May '02

09 May '02

thanks to everyone who contributed. it was very helpful. -- regards

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Do file locks affect snapshots?
by Steve Losen 09 May '02

09 May '02

We are running ONTAP 6.1.1R2. I thought I read somewhere that there are no file locks in a snapshot. The snapshot is read only, but no files are locked, so you can open any file if you have the necessary permissions. However, I was running a virus scan (Norton) on a snapshot and it failed to open a few files, according to the log. I'm pretty sure it was not a permissions problem. We use unix passwd authentication for CIFS and therefore all files have unix permissions. The CIFS user was root (uid 0) and Norton successfully scanned about 180,000 files, many of which are readable only by owner (and superuser). Norton failed to open 16 files. Here is an error from the log: Scan could not open file F:\weekly.0\a\af\afc3f\private\Disparity.doc [00000012] (We made a read only share out of the .snapshot directory and attached it to drive F) So that got me wondering about file locks. If a file is locked when a snapshot is created, is the lock included in the snapshot? And if so, does it lock the file in the snapshot? Or else, if a file in the active filesystem is currently locked, does that affect access to the corresponding file in a snapshot? Later on, using the same share as above, I was able to copy the file to the local desktop, so W2000 was able to open it. Maybe it's a Norton thing. I'll try and look up that error code [00000012]. Is this a CIFS error perhaps? By the way, Norton failed to open some other files with error code [00000003] but the ones I checked were all symlinks that the filer could not follow, so that makes perfect sense. Steve Losen scl(a)virginia.edu phone: 434-924-0640 University of Virginia ITC Unix Support

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RE: SSH on filers
by markallen 08 May '02

08 May '02

Thanks for everyone's feedback. I'm downloading secure admin right now. Thanks Again!! -Mark -----Original Message----- From: Piotr KUCHARSKI [mailto:chopin@sgh.waw.pl] Sent: Wednesday, May 08, 2002 9:14 AM To: 'toasters(a)mathworks.com' Subject: Re: SSH on filers On Wed, May 08, 2002 at 08:12:12AM -0600, markallen wrote: > Is anybody using ssh on their filers? I've checked with netapp tech support > and they aren't supporting it yet. This doesn't mean other people haven't > tried it. Any information would be greatly appreciated. SecureAdmin is the way; I really don't like accessing devices via telnet or plain http. Now I have both ssh and https. p.

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SSH on filers
by markallen 08 May '02

08 May '02

Is anybody using ssh on their filers? I've checked with netapp tech support and they aren't supporting it yet. This doesn't mean other people haven't tried it. Any information would be greatly appreciated. Thanks -Mark

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SV: mixed security style
by Öberg Mats 08 May '02

08 May '02

Hi, We are using mixed-style security on a shared-project-structure with a lot of problems, even though most of them have been resolved by now. We´ve seen a lot of strange things going on with M$-office-files that can't be saved even if it looks like the user has the apropriate rights, files changing permissions when saved. Another major annoyance is the inability to move/rename/delete unix-files from the unix-side if the directory they are in doesn´t allow the user FULL rights, you would think CHANGE is enough. (it´s really strange for me as a unix-guy when I can change the contents of a file, create new files in the same directory, but can´t rename the file). But we have also seen CAD-programs stop working because the structure they access have ACL's set on them. (CATIA, MENTOR, I-DEAS) I'm not sure how compilers, make , stuff like CVS,PVCS work. Another thing to consider is that users can only tell if a file/directory has unix- or nt-security if they have the ssaccess-utility installed (or the commandline version). There is no way of knowing this from the unix-side. This has made administration much more complex, especially since our mixed structure contains around 1-million directories. If I could, I would move away from mixed-security as fast as possible, but right now I have to live with it. ---- Mats

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Re: mixed security style
by kelvin.spaulding＠kodak.com 08 May '02

08 May '02

From: Kelvin D Spaulding We've been using mixed-style qtrees for home directories for a little more than a year with no real problems. At first the users had some difficulties understanding how the permissions worked. The ones who actually cared contacted our IT organization and we explained how it worked. We do the initial setting to NTFS when the home directories are created. This causes the UNIX folk to see what appears to be mode 777 home directories. We needed to belay their concerns that we were creating wide-open areas. Some of our admins had some difficulty grasping the idea also; but we worked our way through that. All-in-all, we've been very happy with the mixed-style qtrees for home directories. Kelly Spaulding Eastman Kodak Co. Commercial & Government Systems kelvin.spaulding(a)kodak.com Kelly McQuarrie <kellym(a)sd.us.am.ericsson.se>@mathworks.com on 05/07/2002 03:05:41 PM Sent by: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com To: toasters(a)mathworks.com cc: Subject: mixed security style Hello all: I have a large number of windows/unix home directories on my NetApps all under unix qtrees. I'm a unix admin so this works great for me but the NT admins have complained that they can access their users data. I would like any war stories, opions, etc from people who have tried and or use the mixed qtrees for this purpose. Any suggestions and what not are totally welcomed! Thank you sooo much for your time 8) Kelly McQuarrie Unix System Administrator Ericsson CDMA Systems

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qtree properties
by neil lehrer 08 May '02

08 May '02

i use qtree quotas with ontap 6.1x nfs and cifs. from windows i can just get properties on a qtree and i see its quota and usage. is there anyway to do that from a unix host? du would take a while and i could run a quota report, but i was curious if there were another way? -- regards

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Link Failure Count and High Loss of Sync Count
by Nicholas Chua 08 May '02

08 May '02

Hi all, Based on the info below, is it an indication of poor FC or poor disk? Perhaps 0a.0 and 01.16? Given the short amount of time since last reboot and the amount of data transferred. Thanks for any input. Nic. netapp1> uptime 7:02pm up 22:27 59382160 NFS ops, 182 CIFS ops, 129 HTTP ops netapp1> fcstat link_stats 0a Loop Link Underrun Loss of Invalid Frame In Frame Out ID Failure count sync CRC count count count count count 0a.0 20 0 3893 0 497976 968640 ----- 0a.16 0 0 100 0 4711400 1645910 0a.17 0 0 3 0 4289135 9098615 ----- 0a.12 0 0 15 0 1467678 5654114 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com

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Odd Symlink Problem
by Barry Lustig 08 May '02

08 May '02

I have a toaster running 6.1.1R2. On vol0 there is a mixed qtree called public. The NT ACLS on /vol/vol0/public have everything except full control turned on for the domain users. The strangeness occurs when I create a symlink under that directory. the user can create the link but only root can delete it. Any ideas? barry

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Reflection NFS issues on 6.2
by Jeff Kennedy 07 May '02

07 May '02

We use Reflections NFS for PC users to access data on our filers. Up until 6.2 it worked fine, after upgrading we are having what appear to be sporadic issues with users not being able to access/write data that we know they have perissions to. Has anyone experienced or heard of this and whether or not there's a fix? Thanks. -- ===================== Jeff Kennedy Unix Administrator AMCC jlkennedy(a)amcc.com

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mixed security style
by Kelly McQuarrie 07 May '02

07 May '02

Hello all: I have a large number of windows/unix home directories on my NetApps all under unix qtrees. I'm a unix admin so this works great for me but the NT admins have complained that they can access their users data. I would like any war stories, opions, etc from people who have tried and or use the mixed qtrees for this purpose. Any suggestions and what not are totally welcomed! Thank you sooo much for your time 8) Kelly McQuarrie Unix System Administrator Ericsson CDMA Systems

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RE: FW: mixed security style
by Lupa Paul-ra5507 07 May '02

07 May '02

Mixed Security provides the fine grain access control that I need for various security issues. However if a tree has NT security (with inheritance) a number of UNIX problems rear their ugly head, with UNIX security, I don't have the control that I need. I guess the only solution is to wait for MicroSoft to take over the world, or Sun/HP/Linux to support NFS version 4 (I'm not holding my breath). My current issue centers around gzip/compress which will not work if inheritance is turned on. The different paradigm for security between NT-acls and standard UNIX makes for an ugly solution. Does EMC have a solution?... Cheers, Paul Lupa Sr.System Analyst Motorola, Austin -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McQuarrie [mailto:kellym@sd.us.am.ericsson.se] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 3:29 PM To: Maglinger, Paul Cc: 'NetApps list server' Subject: Re: FW: mixed security style People running stuff from unix on an NTFS file system don't run into problems? Do they every lose access to there files from Unix because of changes made from NT? Kelly McQuarrie Unix System Administrator Ericsson CDMA Systems On Tue, 7 May 2002, Maglinger, Paul wrote: > We have mixed NT and Unix environment. If the qtree is strictly Unix, we > set the style for Unix. If both use it, then I have it set for NTFS. We > tried running mixed and sometimes Unix could access it and sometimes it > couldn't. Seemed to be the same with NT, just kinda flaky stuff. I'm an NT > admin, so this works great for me <grin>, but the Unix admin doesn't seem to > have a problem with it set up this way... We also disabled the oplocks. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Kelly McQuarrie [mailto:kellym@sd.us.am.ericsson.se] > Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 14:06 > To: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: mixed security style > > > Hello all: > > I have a large number of windows/unix home directories on my NetApps all > under unix qtrees. I'm a unix admin so this works great for me but the NT > admins have complained that they can access their users data. I would > like any war stories, opions, etc from people who have tried and or use > the mixed qtrees for this purpose. Any suggestions and what not are > totally welcomed! > > Thank you sooo much for your time 8) > > Kelly McQuarrie > Unix System Administrator > Ericsson CDMA Systems >

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FW: mixed security style
by Maglinger, Paul 07 May '02

07 May '02

We have mixed NT and Unix environment. If the qtree is strictly Unix, we set the style for Unix. If both use it, then I have it set for NTFS. We tried running mixed and sometimes Unix could access it and sometimes it couldn't. Seemed to be the same with NT, just kinda flaky stuff. I'm an NT admin, so this works great for me <grin>, but the Unix admin doesn't seem to have a problem with it set up this way... We also disabled the oplocks. -----Original Message----- From: Kelly McQuarrie [mailto:kellym@sd.us.am.ericsson.se] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 14:06 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: mixed security style Hello all: I have a large number of windows/unix home directories on my NetApps all under unix qtrees. I'm a unix admin so this works great for me but the NT admins have complained that they can access their users data. I would like any war stories, opions, etc from people who have tried and or use the mixed qtrees for this purpose. Any suggestions and what not are totally welcomed! Thank you sooo much for your time 8) Kelly McQuarrie Unix System Administrator Ericsson CDMA Systems

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Error on Gigabit Card
by Manoj Kolekar 06 May '02

06 May '02

Hello toasters, I am getting the bellow Erros onn my F840 gigabit card, "Mon May 6 10:46:46 GMT [GbE-II/e4:error]: arp: 00:06:5b:3a:1d:0c attempts to modify permanent entry for 192.168.57.63 on e4 Mon May 6 10:51:29 GMT [GbE-II/e4:error]: arp: 00:06:5b:3a:1d:0c attempts to modify permanent entry for 192.168.57.63 on e4 Mon May 6 10:51:38 GMT [GbE-II/e4:error]: arp: 00:06:5b:3a:1d:0c attempts to modify permanent entry for 192.168.57.63 on e4 The filer seems to be working fine. Does any one out there have any idea as to what could be wrong. -- Best regards, Manoj mailto:manoj@apara.com

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RE: NFS Stats Questions
by Eisler, Alex 06 May '02

06 May '02

Try setting the link options on the filer to 100/full. Cisco switches are very vulnerable in that department. On the switch (when in enabled mode): 'set port mod/port speed 100' 'set port mod/port duplex full' On the filer: 'ifconfig interface mediatype 100tx-fd' Don't forget to change the ifconfig line in the rc file also... I've seen it happen more than once that synch-negotiation problems deteriorate performance very noticeably... Alex. -----Original Message----- From: Chuah, Nicholas [mailto:nicholas_chuah@yahoo.com] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2002 14:16 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: NFS Stats Questions Hi all, Unit 720 with on-board 100BaseT, DataONTAP 6.1, NFS over UDP 32K, all Sun clients. Performance degradation was obvious after the switch was upgraded to the Cisco 6050. Had been testing with the TCP changes and changing the UDP datagram size to 8K but no significant improvement. Is there any tweaking I can try before I attempt to add a quad card or gigabit card? What can I deduce from the ifstat below with regards to the list overflow, underflow value? I'm not sure whether it is an acceptable amount of errors or an obvious performance issue given the amount of data transferred. Another query I have is the "high" misses of the NFS cache reply stats. I would appreciate any input to the above queries. Regards, Nic ********* RECEIVE Packets: 3634m | Bytes: 1421g | Total errors: 0 No buffers: 0 | Length errors: 0 | Runt frames: 0 Long frames: 0 | Collisions: 0 | CRC errors: 0 H/w overflow: 136 | List overflow: 44048 | Rst frame drops: 0 TRANSMIT Packets: 6606m | Bytes: 6761g | Total errors: 37 Collisions: 0 | Late collisions: 0 | Excess coll: 0 Queue overflow: 3913 | No carrier: 0 | H/w underflow: 11 Defer: 0 | Link failure: 25 | Time out: 0 List underflow: 1515 | Loss of carrier: 0 | No buffers: 0 DEVICE Resets: 2 LINK INFO Auto: Disabled | Mediatype: 100tx-fd | Link Partner: Unknown | Link State: Up NFS reply cache statistics: TCP: In progress Delay hits Misses Idempotent Non-idempotent 0 0 6075661 0 0 UDP: In progress Delay hits Misses Idempotent Non-idempotent 3233 6072 642460762 5550 1024

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PDC
by Peter Valian 06 May '02

06 May '02

Is anyone using something other than windows to be a PDC? i.e. LSI TotalNet, Sun PC Netlink, Samba? Any suggestions appreciated. -peter -- Peter Valian Network & Systems Administrator Southwestern University Georgetown, Texas --

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NFS Stats Questions
by Chuah, Nicholas 06 May '02

06 May '02

Hi all, Unit 720 with on-board 100BaseT, DataONTAP 6.1, NFS over UDP 32K, all Sun clients. Performance degradation was obvious after the switch was upgraded to the Cisco 6050. Had been testing with the TCP changes and changing the UDP datagram size to 8K but no significant improvement. Is there any tweaking I can try before I attempt to add a quad card or gigabit card? What can I deduce from the ifstat below with regards to the list overflow, underflow value? I'm not sure whether it is an acceptable amount of errors or an obvious performance issue given the amount of data transferred. Another query I have is the "high" misses of the NFS cache reply stats. I would appreciate any input to the above queries. Regards, Nic ********* RECEIVE Packets: 3634m | Bytes: 1421g | Total errors: 0 No buffers: 0 | Length errors: 0 | Runt frames: 0 Long frames: 0 | Collisions: 0 | CRC errors: 0 H/w overflow: 136 | List overflow: 44048 | Rst frame drops: 0 TRANSMIT Packets: 6606m | Bytes: 6761g | Total errors: 37 Collisions: 0 | Late collisions: 0 | Excess coll: 0 Queue overflow: 3913 | No carrier: 0 | H/w underflow: 11 Defer: 0 | Link failure: 25 | Time out: 0 List underflow: 1515 | Loss of carrier: 0 | No buffers: 0 DEVICE Resets: 2 LINK INFO Auto: Disabled | Mediatype: 100tx-fd | Link Partner: Unknown | Link State: Up NFS reply cache statistics: TCP: In progress Delay hits Misses Idempotent Non-idempotent 0 0 6075661 0 0 UDP: In progress Delay hits Misses Idempotent Non-idempotent 3233 6072 642460762 5550 1024

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two nics on same subnet
by Piotr KUCHARSKI 04 May '02

04 May '02

Having atm and fe I wanted the latter to serve as a backup in case atm fails. So I configured atm to be .7 and fe to be .6 in the same subnet. It gave me a warning: ifconfig (warning): route already exists (probably due to another interface on the same subnet.) but that I (almost) expected. However, when I test it and pull out the atm, fe doesn't respond to me (quite successfully destroying my concept of backup/load balancing/automounter). That's not what I expected. Any thoughts? p.

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long cifs.home_dir
by Piotr KUCHARSKI 03 May '02

03 May '02

I have 14 qtrees and wanted all of them to be in cifs.home_dir option, started from /vol/vol0/stud1994/%u/NT... and it said error: option value length too long so i renamed qtrees to shorter names, like s94, renamed vol0 to v and now it fits. But what if I have more qtrees? Any way to enlarge space for it? (I thought of /vol/vol0/*/%u%/NT, but didn't work) p.

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OnTap SNMP Traps
by Ben Rockwood 03 May '02

03 May '02

Hello Toasterites, I've been (trying) to experiment with SNMP traps with a test filer I have. However, I've run into a road block, or so I think. Is it not true that OnTap should have a series of predefined traps? In the documentation it suggests using default traps by loading "/etc/defaults/traps", however a /etc/defaults directory doesn't exsist on any of the filers I have. Does this actually mean that if I want to add traps I should be placing them in /etc/default/traps instead of another file? I find it odd that OnTap would make me custom define _all_ of my traps (minus the standard traps defined in RFC1213). I'll even note that on page 563 of the OnTap 5.1 users guide it mentions there being Builtin traps as defined in the MIB for diskFailedShutdown,etc. So far, the only traps I've been sent from my test filer is "coldStarts" after I initialize SNMP traps (snmp init 1). Any ideas? Ben Rockwood

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FC Link Stats
by Blake Folgner 03 May '02

03 May '02

Hello All, I need a little advise on what this all means below in regards to the FC LINK STATS for my F760. I'm running DOT 6.2.1 with 1 FC8 drive shelve with 7 18GB drives. I'm not to sure if this is the beginning of a failed disk or what. Any info would be appreciated. ===== FC LINK STATS ===== Loop Link Underrun Loss of Invalid Frame In Frame Out ID Failure count sync CRC count count count count count 0a.ha 0 0 1 0 0 0 Loop Link Underrun Loss of Invalid Frame In Frame Out ID Failure count sync CRC count count count count count 1.0 4 0 37150 0 284946 181494 1.1 0 0 180 0 290523 164623 1.2 0 0 181 0 289889 170057 1.3 0 0 181 0 282485 187223 1.4 0 0 180 0 292010 198258 1.5 0 0 181 0 751463 359971 1.6 0 0 180 0 397300 283784 1.ha 0 0 1 0 1545410 2588616 Best regards, Blake Best regards, Blake Folgner WebRunners blake(a)webrunners.com

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FC Actions (was RE: FC Link Stats)
by Ben Rockwood 03 May '02

03 May '02

Toasters, This might be a descent time to ask. What actions are taken to resolve "Link Failure" and "Loss of Sync". Both Underruns and Invalid CRCs aren't really a concern since it should generate a resend, or at work a loop reset to clear any blockage. However, I'm curious what happened after a Link Failure and Loss of Sync. On most systems I'd assume this would result in a LIP. I suppose you could respond to a Link Failure with a full loop reset (rather than LIP) but I'm not sure how their being handled. Is there comeone familiar enought with FC on the Filers to comment on which actions are taken to resolve each of these states at the FC level? Thank You. Ben Rockwood -----Original Message----- From: Blake Folgner [mailto:admin@webrunners.com] Sent: Fri 5/3/2002 10:43 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Cc: Subject: FC Link Stats Hello All, I need a little advise on what this all means below in regards to the FC LINK STATS for my F760. I'm running DOT 6.2.1 with 1 FC8 drive shelve with 7 18GB drives. I'm not to sure if this is the beginning of a failed disk or what. Any info would be appreciated. ===== FC LINK STATS ===== Loop Link Underrun Loss of Invalid Frame In Frame Out ID Failure count sync CRC count count count count count 0a.ha 0 0 1 0 0 0 Loop Link Underrun Loss of Invalid Frame In Frame Out ID Failure count sync CRC count count count count count 1.0 4 0 37150 0 284946 181494 1.1 0 0 180 0 290523 164623 1.2 0 0 181 0 289889 170057 1.3 0 0 181 0 282485 187223 1.4 0 0 180 0 292010 198258 1.5 0 0 181 0 751463 359971 1.6 0 0 180 0 397300 283784 1.ha 0 0 1 0 1545410 2588616 Best regards, Blake Best regards, Blake Folgner WebRunners blake(a)webrunners.com

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Re: PDC
by Peter Valian 03 May '02

03 May '02

Thanks for the reply, unfortunately I've already tried without much luck. I thought perhaps more users on this list were sucessful in getting something other than Windows to work as a PDC. Its looking more and more like they are just rumors. Everything Ive heard so far starts with, "I haven't tried this but..." or "you should be able to...". Is there anyone at all with some personal experience (or even second hand experience) on if this even works? Magnus Swenson wrote: > Sound like you should check out, Samba TNG. > > I haven't played around with it myself, but from reading at > samba.org that would be the place to go ... > > http://www.samba-tng.org/docs.html > > http://bioserve.latrobe.edu.au/samba/ntdomfaq.html > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Peter Valian [mailto:valianp@southwestern.edu] > Sent: Fri 5/3/2002 11:19 AM > To: Puneet Anand > Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: PDC > > I understand its not supported. It was my belief that someone on the > toasters list was able to get it to work something UNIX. > > Actually the latest version of samba is like 99% of the way there. I > got my filer talking to it and passing authentication requests from > clients to the samba box. it looks like I just have a permissions issue > right now. > > I was hoping there would be some netapp enineers on here that can > *unofficially* offer some tips. > > The main problem being password syncing between NT and NIS on unix. > > thanks, > peter > > Puneet Anand wrote: > >>Hi Peter, >> >>Non Microsoft domain controllers are not supported with filers at this >>time. >>This is documented on the NOW site : >> >>http://now.netapp.com/NOW/cgi-bin/bol?Type=Detail&Display=15548 >> >>-Puneet >>____ >> >> >>Peter Valian wrote: >> >> >>>Is anyone using something other than windows to be a PDC? i.e. LSI >>>TotalNet, Sun PC Netlink, Samba? >>> >>>Any suggestions appreciated. >>> >>>-peter >>> >>>-- >>>Peter Valian >>>Network & Systems Administrator >>>Southwestern University >>>Georgetown, Texas >>>-- >>> > > > -- Peter Valian Network & Systems Administrator Southwestern University Georgetown, Texas 512.863.1586 office 512.863.1605 fax --

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