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RE: OnTap 6.5.2/6.5.2P6/6.5.2R1 ?
by Hill, Aaron 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

My two cents; I have nothing good to say about 6.5 yet as it has caused us numerous panics and disconnects since it was released. It seems a new patch/debug for it is released very week. For the F840, there are some problems with CIFS and XP-SP2 that can prevent clients from connecting, so I would definitely upgrade to a version that addresses that issue. Which version? See if you can get a 6.4.x.... version to use until the 6.5.2R1 gets released. At this stage it looks like it is 1-2 weeks away. Once 6.5.2R1 is released, I would move those Nearstores to it immediately, if only to avoid that Rapid Raid Recovery (or disk copy) bug (Bug#139525) that punished one of my systems using 6.5.2 last week. 6.5.2P6 was released to address it and other issues, however you can work around it specifically by temporarily disabling the raid.disk.copy.auto.enable option. Go R1 and then switch it back on. We are at 6.5.2. I am going to skip 6.5.2P6 due to some possible issues that may affect our environment and go directly to 6.5.2R1 when it becomes available. At the end of the day, you need to look at the bugs and compare them with your environment in order to determine if you are at risk. I hope this makes the decision a little easier. --Aaron -----Original Message----- From: Simon Ferrett [mailto:simon@musicmatch.com] Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2004 4:59 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: OnTap 6.5.2/6.5.2P6/6.5.2R1 ? Hi Folks, Last week I updated my three nearstore units to 6.5.2 after experiencing a shelf-hang issue on two of them. That got me to thinking about updating another system (a F840 running 6.1R1 - it's been up forever, about 420 days) since it's running such an old version of OnTap and some of the clients here in the office are migrating to to XP-SP2. Anyhow - looking on the NOW site I noticed there are a few critical bugs in 6.5.2 which are supposed to be fixed in 6.5.2R1 - which doesn't exist yet. 6.5.2P6 does exist, however, so I was curious if I should wait until P6 becomes R1 before upgrading? I hate to rock the boat on a system which has been up and stable for a year and a half, but with XP-SP2 clients coming online I'm sure there's going to be some issues come up with the old 6.1 version its running. Also I was curious if I should also re-update the 6.5.2 systems I have to R1 when it comes out just to be sure that I'm not going to hit any of the known issues in 6.5.2 on them. Is anyone running 6.5.2P6 here on the list or have any comments about the actual critical-ness of those bugs in 6.5.2 which have been fixed in P6 (or R1 when it becomes available) - or know when 6.5.2R1 might hit the streets? The NOW site says 'this week' but I'm not sure when the document was authored... Just curious what the general consensus was on 6.5.2/6.5.2R1 etc. Cheers, Simon. --- This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or his/her representative, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message. ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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RE: using NDMP for backups
by Alan Biren 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Skip, BackupExec has a very limited implementation of NDMP. I believe for NetBackup it is an additional license. Dumps can be done in different levels 0-9 with zero being a full backup and 1-9 being incremental since the next lowest integer. ie: 0 level on Sunday, 1 on Monday, 2 on Tuesday, 3 on Thursday, 4 on Friday, 5 on Saturday. This would give you an incremental for the week with full dumps on Sundays. Differentials can be defined as well. As far as scheduling, that would require some non-NetApp scheduler to perform. Windows Scheduler to kick off an rsh session. I have used many different backup platforms and the easiest to use I have found is BakBone's NetVault. I also like BakBone's Integration with NetApp. They are the developers of SnapVault and have plug-ins available to perform SnapMirror to Tape. I would have to agree with Tim. NDMP is a better utility to use for backing up to a robotic library. You get to take advantage of the media changer and can utilize multiple drives for backups. While with dump you can only use a single drive/tape system. A waste of your scalar 24. Alan Biren Senior Systems Engineer/Storage Architect AMC Corporation (212) 736-0111 ________________________________ From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com on behalf of SKIP HOFMANN Sent: Mon 9/13/2004 4:42 PM To: 'Timothy Sesow'; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: using NDMP for backups Dang good to know! Thanks again Skip ________________________________ From: Timothy Sesow [mailto:tsesow@nsllc.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:27 PM To: SKIP HOFMANN; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: using NDMP for backups Just as an aside, don't use TDK media in the Scalar 24 library. The center of gravity on the cartridge is a little different than the others (eg, Fuji) and the Scalar 24 will sometimes not detect the presence of the tape cartridges in a slot due to placement of the sensor in the library. Not TDK's fault really, just a matter of compatibility. This was my biggest problem in getting a Scalar 24 hooked up to the NetApp (tapes just kept appearing and disappearing from the inventory). Tim Sesow VP Engineering 303-948-3360 cell 303-809-8070 -----Original Message----- From: SKIP HOFMANN [mailto:SKIP.HOFMANN@ttisg.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:24 PM To: Timothy Sesow; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: using NDMP for backups Hey thanks very much for the info, it is very helpful. Skip ________________________________ From: Timothy Sesow [mailto:tsesow@nsllc.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:16 PM To: SKIP HOFMANN; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: using NDMP for backups #1 - You can attach on of the drives from the Scalar 24 directly to the NetApp (I have used this library with NetApp before and it works fine). You can also attach the robotics (Medium Changer) to the NetApp, too, if you wish to have the whole library on the NetApp. NDMP will recognize any/all of the devices and export them over the network for Veritas NetBackup to find. #2 - You can use "dump", but you have to move the cartridges in and out of the drive yourself. "dump" is really focused on a tape drive, not a full tape library. If you use Veritas, you wouldn't use the "dump" command, and NetBackup (I don't know about BackupExec) can move the media for you. NetBackup does not call "dump", it uses it's own commands over the network to the NetApp, where the NDMP task on the NetApp then writes/reads the tape. #3 - You need to get someone else on the list to answer this fully, but I don't think there is any way to schedule backups on a NetApp with "dump". Tim Sesow VP Engineering 303-948-3360 cell 303-809-8070 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of SKIP HOFMANN Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:54 PM To: ''toasters(a)mathworks.com' ' Subject: using NDMP for backups Hi all Currently we have a R200, that house around a TB of data. We are currently using Veritas 9.1 to do the backups over cifs shares, using this method our backups jobs take a very long time to complete, and I have heard that this method is not really a supported one or the preferred method. I would like to use NDMP to backup my data. I have a few questions about this method. #1 are backup tape device is an adic scalar 24. The tape drive is a IBM ULTRIUM-TD2. Using NDMP can I hang this tape device right off the R200 and just use the "dump" command? #2 we currently use Veritas software, can I continue to use this application if I'm using NDMP, or should I just use Dump? #3 Can I use the dump command to do incremental backups and schedule backups. Thanks for any information Skip Skip Hofmann Senior Network Administrator TetraTech Skip.Hofmann(a)ttisg.com 949 500 5286 cell 949 608 5801 office ***************************************************************************************************** If you have received this email in error please notify the the system manager or the sender immediately and do not disclosed the to anyone or make copies. ** eSafe scanned this email for viruses, vandals or malicious content ** ** To find out eSafe(TM) and other Aladdin Security Products, contact AMC Corporation at (212) 620-0700 *****************************************************************************************************

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RE: using NDMP for backups
by SKIP HOFMANN 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Dang good to know! Thanks again Skip _____ From: Timothy Sesow [mailto:tsesow@nsllc.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:27 PM To: SKIP HOFMANN; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: using NDMP for backups Just as an aside, don't use TDK media in the Scalar 24 library. The center of gravity on the cartridge is a little different than the others (eg, Fuji) and the Scalar 24 will sometimes not detect the presence of the tape cartridges in a slot due to placement of the sensor in the library. Not TDK's fault really, just a matter of compatibility. This was my biggest problem in getting a Scalar 24 hooked up to the NetApp (tapes just kept appearing and disappearing from the inventory). Tim Sesow VP Engineering 303-948-3360 cell 303-809-8070 -----Original Message----- From: SKIP HOFMANN [mailto:SKIP.HOFMANN@ttisg.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:24 PM To: Timothy Sesow; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: using NDMP for backups Hey thanks very much for the info, it is very helpful. Skip _____ From: Timothy Sesow [mailto:tsesow@nsllc.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:16 PM To: SKIP HOFMANN; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: using NDMP for backups #1 - You can attach on of the drives from the Scalar 24 directly to the NetApp (I have used this library with NetApp before and it works fine). You can also attach the robotics (Medium Changer) to the NetApp, too, if you wish to have the whole library on the NetApp. NDMP will recognize any/all of the devices and export them over the network for Veritas NetBackup to find. #2 - You can use "dump", but you have to move the cartridges in and out of the drive yourself. "dump" is really focused on a tape drive, not a full tape library. If you use Veritas, you wouldn't use the "dump" command, and NetBackup (I don't know about BackupExec) can move the media for you. NetBackup does not call "dump", it uses it's own commands over the network to the NetApp, where the NDMP task on the NetApp then writes/reads the tape. #3 - You need to get someone else on the list to answer this fully, but I don't think there is any way to schedule backups on a NetApp with "dump". Tim Sesow VP Engineering 303-948-3360 cell 303-809-8070 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of SKIP HOFMANN Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:54 PM To: ''toasters(a)mathworks.com' ' Subject: using NDMP for backups Hi all Currently we have a R200, that house around a TB of data. We are currently using Veritas 9.1 to do the backups over cifs shares, using this method our backups jobs take a very long time to complete, and I have heard that this method is not really a supported one or the preferred method. I would like to use NDMP to backup my data. I have a few questions about this method. #1 are backup tape device is an adic scalar 24. The tape drive is a IBM ULTRIUM-TD2. Using NDMP can I hang this tape device right off the R200 and just use the "dump" command? #2 we currently use Veritas software, can I continue to use this application if I'm using NDMP, or should I just use Dump? #3 Can I use the dump command to do incremental backups and schedule backups. Thanks for any information Skip Skip Hofmann Senior Network Administrator TetraTech Skip.Hofmann(a)ttisg.com <mailto:Skip.Hofmann@ttisg.com> 949 500 5286 cell 949 608 5801 office

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RE: using NDMP for backups
by Timothy Sesow 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Just as an aside, don't use TDK media in the Scalar 24 library. The center of gravity on the cartridge is a little different than the others (eg, Fuji) and the Scalar 24 will sometimes not detect the presence of the tape cartridges in a slot due to placement of the sensor in the library. Not TDK's fault really, just a matter of compatibility. This was my biggest problem in getting a Scalar 24 hooked up to the NetApp (tapes just kept appearing and disappearing from the inventory). Tim Sesow VP Engineering 303-948-3360 cell 303-809-8070 -----Original Message----- From: SKIP HOFMANN [mailto:SKIP.HOFMANN@ttisg.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 2:24 PM To: Timothy Sesow; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: using NDMP for backups Hey thanks very much for the info, it is very helpful. Skip _____ From: Timothy Sesow [mailto:tsesow@nsllc.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:16 PM To: SKIP HOFMANN; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: using NDMP for backups #1 - You can attach on of the drives from the Scalar 24 directly to the NetApp (I have used this library with NetApp before and it works fine). You can also attach the robotics (Medium Changer) to the NetApp, too, if you wish to have the whole library on the NetApp. NDMP will recognize any/all of the devices and export them over the network for Veritas NetBackup to find. #2 - You can use "dump", but you have to move the cartridges in and out of the drive yourself. "dump" is really focused on a tape drive, not a full tape library. If you use Veritas, you wouldn't use the "dump" command, and NetBackup (I don't know about BackupExec) can move the media for you. NetBackup does not call "dump", it uses it's own commands over the network to the NetApp, where the NDMP task on the NetApp then writes/reads the tape. #3 - You need to get someone else on the list to answer this fully, but I don't think there is any way to schedule backups on a NetApp with "dump". Tim Sesow VP Engineering 303-948-3360 cell 303-809-8070 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of SKIP HOFMANN Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:54 PM To: ''toasters(a)mathworks.com' ' Subject: using NDMP for backups Hi all Currently we have a R200, that house around a TB of data. We are currently using Veritas 9.1 to do the backups over cifs shares, using this method our backups jobs take a very long time to complete, and I have heard that this method is not really a supported one or the preferred method. I would like to use NDMP to backup my data. I have a few questions about this method. #1 are backup tape device is an adic scalar 24. The tape drive is a IBM ULTRIUM-TD2. Using NDMP can I hang this tape device right off the R200 and just use the "dump" command? #2 we currently use Veritas software, can I continue to use this application if I'm using NDMP, or should I just use Dump? #3 Can I use the dump command to do incremental backups and schedule backups. Thanks for any information Skip Skip Hofmann Senior Network Administrator TetraTech Skip.Hofmann(a)ttisg.com 949 500 5286 cell 949 608 5801 office

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RE: using NDMP for backups
by SKIP HOFMANN 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Hey thanks very much for the info, it is very helpful. Skip _____ From: Timothy Sesow [mailto:tsesow@nsllc.com] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:16 PM To: SKIP HOFMANN; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: using NDMP for backups #1 - You can attach on of the drives from the Scalar 24 directly to the NetApp (I have used this library with NetApp before and it works fine). You can also attach the robotics (Medium Changer) to the NetApp, too, if you wish to have the whole library on the NetApp. NDMP will recognize any/all of the devices and export them over the network for Veritas NetBackup to find. #2 - You can use "dump", but you have to move the cartridges in and out of the drive yourself. "dump" is really focused on a tape drive, not a full tape library. If you use Veritas, you wouldn't use the "dump" command, and NetBackup (I don't know about BackupExec) can move the media for you. NetBackup does not call "dump", it uses it's own commands over the network to the NetApp, where the NDMP task on the NetApp then writes/reads the tape. #3 - You need to get someone else on the list to answer this fully, but I don't think there is any way to schedule backups on a NetApp with "dump". Tim Sesow VP Engineering 303-948-3360 cell 303-809-8070 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of SKIP HOFMANN Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:54 PM To: ''toasters(a)mathworks.com' ' Subject: using NDMP for backups Hi all Currently we have a R200, that house around a TB of data. We are currently using Veritas 9.1 to do the backups over cifs shares, using this method our backups jobs take a very long time to complete, and I have heard that this method is not really a supported one or the preferred method. I would like to use NDMP to backup my data. I have a few questions about this method. #1 are backup tape device is an adic scalar 24. The tape drive is a IBM ULTRIUM-TD2. Using NDMP can I hang this tape device right off the R200 and just use the "dump" command? #2 we currently use Veritas software, can I continue to use this application if I'm using NDMP, or should I just use Dump? #3 Can I use the dump command to do incremental backups and schedule backups. Thanks for any information Skip Skip Hofmann Senior Network Administrator TetraTech Skip.Hofmann(a)ttisg.com <mailto:Skip.Hofmann@ttisg.com> 949 500 5286 cell 949 608 5801 office

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RE: using NDMP for backups
by Timothy Sesow 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

#1 - You can attach on of the drives from the Scalar 24 directly to the NetApp (I have used this library with NetApp before and it works fine). You can also attach the robotics (Medium Changer) to the NetApp, too, if you wish to have the whole library on the NetApp. NDMP will recognize any/all of the devices and export them over the network for Veritas NetBackup to find. #2 - You can use "dump", but you have to move the cartridges in and out of the drive yourself. "dump" is really focused on a tape drive, not a full tape library. If you use Veritas, you wouldn't use the "dump" command, and NetBackup (I don't know about BackupExec) can move the media for you. NetBackup does not call "dump", it uses it's own commands over the network to the NetApp, where the NDMP task on the NetApp then writes/reads the tape. #3 - You need to get someone else on the list to answer this fully, but I don't think there is any way to schedule backups on a NetApp with "dump". Tim Sesow VP Engineering 303-948-3360 cell 303-809-8070 -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of SKIP HOFMANN Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 1:54 PM To: ''toasters(a)mathworks.com' ' Subject: using NDMP for backups Hi all Currently we have a R200, that house around a TB of data. We are currently using Veritas 9.1 to do the backups over cifs shares, using this method our backups jobs take a very long time to complete, and I have heard that this method is not really a supported one or the preferred method. I would like to use NDMP to backup my data. I have a few questions about this method. #1 are backup tape device is an adic scalar 24. The tape drive is a IBM ULTRIUM-TD2. Using NDMP can I hang this tape device right off the R200 and just use the "dump" command? #2 we currently use Veritas software, can I continue to use this application if I'm using NDMP, or should I just use Dump? #3 Can I use the dump command to do incremental backups and schedule backups. Thanks for any information Skip Skip Hofmann Senior Network Administrator TetraTech Skip.Hofmann(a)ttisg.com 949 500 5286 cell 949 608 5801 office

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using NDMP for backups
by SKIP HOFMANN 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Hi all Currently we have a R200, that house around a TB of data. We are currently using Veritas 9.1 to do the backups over cifs shares, using this method our backups jobs take a very long time to complete, and I have heard that this method is not really a supported one or the preferred method. I would like to use NDMP to backup my data. I have a few questions about this method. #1 are backup tape device is an adic scalar 24. The tape drive is a IBM ULTRIUM-TD2. Using NDMP can I hang this tape device right off the R200 and just use the "dump" command? #2 we currently use Veritas software, can I continue to use this application if I'm using NDMP, or should I just use Dump? #3 Can I use the dump command to do incremental backups and schedule backups. Thanks for any information Skip Skip Hofmann Senior Network Administrator TetraTech Skip.Hofmann(a)ttisg.com <mailto:Skip.Hofmann@ttisg.com> 949 500 5286 cell 949 608 5801 office

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OnTap 6.5.2/6.5.2P6/6.5.2R1 ?
by Simon Ferrett 13 Sep '04

13 Sep '04

Hi Folks, Last week I updated my three nearstore units to 6.5.2 after experiencing a shelf-hang issue on two of them. That got me to thinking about updating another system (a F840 running 6.1R1 - it's been up forever, about 420 days) since it's running such an old version of OnTap and some of the clients here in the office are migrating to to XP-SP2. Anyhow - looking on the NOW site I noticed there are a few critical bugs in 6.5.2 which are supposed to be fixed in 6.5.2R1 - which doesn't exist yet. 6.5.2P6 does exist, however, so I was curious if I should wait until P6 becomes R1 before upgrading? I hate to rock the boat on a system which has been up and stable for a year and a half, but with XP-SP2 clients coming online I'm sure there's going to be some issues come up with the old 6.1 version its running. Also I was curious if I should also re-update the 6.5.2 systems I have to R1 when it comes out just to be sure that I'm not going to hit any of the known issues in 6.5.2 on them. Is anyone running 6.5.2P6 here on the list or have any comments about the actual critical-ness of those bugs in 6.5.2 which have been fixed in P6 (or R1 when it becomes available) - or know when 6.5.2R1 might hit the streets? The NOW site says 'this week' but I'm not sure when the document was authored... Just curious what the general consensus was on 6.5.2/6.5.2R1 etc. Cheers, Simon. --- This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or his/her representative, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

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RE: Confusing trusted domain authentication problem
by Mike Sphar 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Unfortunately I have limited visibility to the corporate domains, but I believe they are Win2K domains running in native mode. It's possible though that the NEWCORP domain might be Windows 2003 now. I don't see any errors on the F230. I've even got the auth subsystem logging configured for full debug logging but I'm not seeing anything logged when I make a failed authentication attempt. I do have concerns about WINS though. There seems to be some confusion about what, if any, WINS servers are being supported by the corporate folks at this point. (In fact, one of the WINS servers being handed out by DHCP doesn't even exist.) -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Remedy, a BMC Software Company -----Original Message----- From: Jack Lyons [mailto:jack.lyons@martinagency.com] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:44 PM To: Mike Sphar; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Confusing trusted domain authentication problem What are the versions of domains you are using (I assume Win2K AD) including Service Packs are you getting any error messages on the F230? make sure that the WINS stuff is correct for all domains. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Sphar" <mike.sphar(a)Remedy.COM> To: <toasters(a)mathworks.com> Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:04 PM Subject: Confusing trusted domain authentication problem > Don't know if anyone has any suggestions for this fairly annoying problem, > but I'm happy to hear any. > > We've got a development domain here called (for example) ENG, that has for > years trusted the corporate domain CORP. My three netapps are members of > the ENG domain and any user in CORP can authenticate on those servers via a > one-way trust. (ENG trusts CORP, CORP does not trust ENG). > > We've got a new corporate domain NEWCORP being migrated to, and ENG also has > a one-way trust to NEWCORP. > > Now, everything seems to work fine, *except* for my one very old Netapp F230 > running 5.3.7R3D18. (I know, way old and end-of-lifed, we're trying to > replace it.) > > My NEWCORP account can authenticate against my newer netapps, but when I try > to connect to the F230, or to a snapserver or a unix server running samba, > the authentication fails. So basically it looks like authentication is > working for the Netapps running a current OS release and for regular windows > servers, but not for 3rd party servers. If we make the samba server > authenticate against CORP instead of ENG, then the NEWCORP accounts seem to > work. > > It seems like there must be something different about the ENG -> NEWCORP and > ENG -> CORP trusts, or some obscure authentication permissions thing, but we > can't figure out what the problem is. (And our primary windows admin is on > vacation.) > > Anyone out there more knowledgeable about trusts and domains (I'm mainly a > unix guy) have any suggestions? > > -- > Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Remedy, a BMC Software Company >

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Confusing trusted domain authentication problem
by Mike Sphar 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Don't know if anyone has any suggestions for this fairly annoying problem, but I'm happy to hear any. We've got a development domain here called (for example) ENG, that has for years trusted the corporate domain CORP. My three netapps are members of the ENG domain and any user in CORP can authenticate on those servers via a one-way trust. (ENG trusts CORP, CORP does not trust ENG). We've got a new corporate domain NEWCORP being migrated to, and ENG also has a one-way trust to NEWCORP. Now, everything seems to work fine, *except* for my one very old Netapp F230 running 5.3.7R3D18. (I know, way old and end-of-lifed, we're trying to replace it.) My NEWCORP account can authenticate against my newer netapps, but when I try to connect to the F230, or to a snapserver or a unix server running samba, the authentication fails. So basically it looks like authentication is working for the Netapps running a current OS release and for regular windows servers, but not for 3rd party servers. If we make the samba server authenticate against CORP instead of ENG, then the NEWCORP accounts seem to work. It seems like there must be something different about the ENG -> NEWCORP and ENG -> CORP trusts, or some obscure authentication permissions thing, but we can't figure out what the problem is. (And our primary windows admin is on vacation.) Anyone out there more knowledgeable about trusts and domains (I'm mainly a unix guy) have any suggestions? -- Mike Sphar - Sr Systems Administrator - Remedy, a BMC Software Company

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ToasterView 0.1
by Ben Rockwood 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Thanks for all the feedback. I didn't expect so many people to be interested. It needs some cleanup, several extra checks (like making sure your actually talking to a filer, right now it just assumes you know what your doing), and goodies, but it works well enough. You can find the page for it here: http://www.cuddletech.com/code/toasterview/index.html I'll probly makes some improvements and push out a new version next week. In the mean time I'm extending it to do application specific stuff that isn't portable (integration of MRTG graphs, RRD, etc). Thanks for the suggestions that were recieved. I avoid quota's like the plegue but I'm sure I could put in something useful. And I'll add performance data at least in a basic form for the next version. Thanks for all the feedback. This is GPL code, so please feel free to hack it up or bend it to your own purposes as long as you respect the terms of the GPL. benr.

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RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool
by Simon Ferrett 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Hey Folks, I'm new to the list - "hello" - and have been a netapp user since about 1999. Anyhow just a comment/suggestion on the toasterview stuff, which looks quite interesting, btw: One thing which could be good to show is the % complete for the reconstruction progress. Currently I'm looking after an 840c, 940c, 840, 880, R100, R150-24 and a R200. I had a shelf hang on the R100 and R150 this week resulting in about 10 failed drives, so the reconstruction is taking forever - hence my interest in keeping an eye on the reconstruction progress. It seems like the systems can only do two reconstructs at a time, so I've had raid groups waiting for a drive reconstruction for about 24 hours so far... If you know of a way to increase the number of parrallel reconstructions I'd be interested to hear it. Cheers, and it's good to have finally found a group of other netapp users. Simon. -----Original Message----- From: McCarthy, Tim [mailto:timothy.mccarthy@netapp.com] Subject: RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool Hey, you have a failed disk. Better call NGS ;) -----Original Message----- From: Ben Rockwood [mailto:BRockwood@homestead-inc.com] Subject: New Simplified Monitoring Tool I'd see if anyone else was interested in it or could propose suggestions for it. --- This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or his/her representative, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

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RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool
by Barrette, Paul A PENC:EX 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Ben, I like it, how about calling it ToasterIZE :-) Anyway, can I take it for a test drive? Paul Barrette Senior SysAdmin BC Pension Corp -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Ben Rockwood Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 4:57 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: New Simplified Monitoring Tool Hello Toasters. Some may have noticed my search for a simplified monitoring tool awhile back. Alas, I never found such a tool. So I finally broke down and just wrote my own. So far I've only got about 2 hours worth of developement into it, but it's mostly what I want already. I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in it or could propose suggestions for it. It's called "Toasterview" (I wanted to call it ToasterVision, but that seemed to silly) and you can see an example output page here: http://www.cuddletech.com/code/toasterview/europa.html Some notes about this sample page. Firstly, the Head image you see at top does, you'll notice, match the model of the filer so you can "see" what the head looks like reguarless of which model it is; right now F7x0, F8x0, F940 and F9x60 are handled. The logo image in the top right is, of course, intended to be changed to your company logo so that your boss is impressed. The global status box changes from green to red based on status. But, the most interesting and important part for me is the DF output. Using the DF SNMP table I can parse it up and display how I like, so I display volumes in nice round numbers (using 1024 insteal of 1000) for easy reading and a little bar graph that lets you see volume usage in an instant. Also, the last line of the DF table is a "Total" line. This simply adds up the data from all the non-snapshot volumes and displays this information like anything else. It's kinda nifty to be able to take 1 look and confidently say "We're using X% of! the filers capacity" rather than just approximating off the top of your head. Anyway, this is the kind of tool I want. I need to clean up the source so it's pretty and then I'll GPL it. Anyone interested or what to make suggestions? I should note that I'm actually supplimenting this page you see with extra data at the bottom as supplied by RRD graphs and such... however that stuff is all system specific whereas my current script as demostrated works on any NetApp Filer (I guess NetCache too). The colors and stuff need tweeking, but you get the general idea. benr.

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RE: Raid reconstruct speed & simultaneous reconstructs
by Derek Lai 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Simon, You should definitely set it to high on the command line to increase the speed of reconstruction. That is provided that your system is not being used very heavily. If there are lots of other disk traffic and you set it to high it will probably slows down the other activities. I did not know that filerview sets it to the inverse so that's good to know. Derek -----Original Message----- From: Simon Ferrett [mailto:simon@musicmatch.com] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:25 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Raid reconstruct speed & simultaneous reconstructs Interesting you mention the raid.reconstruct.perf_impact setting - I was a little confused about its real meaning... I thought (as you mentioned) that setting it to 'high' would increase the reconstruct speed. I then used the filerview web interface to go in and change the raid reconstruct speed to 'high' and it actually set this value to 'low' - the web tool seems to set it to the inverse of what you'd expect. (setting 'low' on the web interface sets this option to 'high' etc.) So I was a little curious as to if the setting had a different meaning than the one you (and I) initially thought it meant. (eg: perhaps it's meaning impact on reconstruct speed rather than system performance, so 'low' means the least affect on reconstruct speed and therefore the most impact on system performance) I left it at 'low' since I figured the web interface probably knew the meaning of the option a little more than I did... Simon. -----Original Message----- From: Hill, Aaron [mailto:aaron.hill@cba.com.au] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 1:53 AM To: Simon Ferrett; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool Simon, I don't know if you can directly increase the no. of simultaneous reconstructs. However, you may be able to improve the speed marginally by using the raid.reconstruct.perf_impact option and setting to high. However, if your cpu's are already maxxed it probably won't make a lick of difference. --- This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or his/her representative, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

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RE: availtime command
by John Clear 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

`availtime full` is what you want. Unfortunately, on some DOT upgrades, the data gets reset. John -----Original Message----- From: jeff.mery(a)ni.com [mailto:jeff.mery@ni.com] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 10:40 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: availtime command Would someone please refresh my memory as to the options for the availtime command (DOT 6.5.2)? It used to have an option for displaying the output on the console of the filer in a user-friendly format. This is much more useful to me than the cryptic data it normally returns. Uptime is great for telling you how long the filer has been up, but availtime can tell you how much uptime you have at a CIFS and NFS service level. Jeff Mery, MCP National Instruments ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Allow me to extol the virtues of the Net Fairy, and of all the fantastic dorks that make the nice packets go from here to there. Amen." TB - Penny Arcade -------------------------------------------------------------------

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availtime command
by jeff.mery＠ni.com 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Would someone please refresh my memory as to the options for the availtime command (DOT 6.5.2)? It used to have an option for displaying the output on the console of the filer in a user-friendly format. This is much more useful to me than the cryptic data it normally returns. Uptime is great for telling you how long the filer has been up, but availtime can tell you how much uptime you have at a CIFS and NFS service level. Jeff Mery, MCP National Instruments ------------------------------------------------------------------- "Allow me to extol the virtues of the Net Fairy, and of all the fantastic dorks that make the nice packets go from here to there. Amen." TB - Penny Arcade -------------------------------------------------------------------

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RE: Raid reconstruct speed & simultaneous reconstructs
by Simon Ferrett 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Interesting you mention the raid.reconstruct.perf_impact setting - I was a little confused about its real meaning... I thought (as you mentioned) that setting it to 'high' would increase the reconstruct speed. I then used the filerview web interface to go in and change the raid reconstruct speed to 'high' and it actually set this value to 'low' - the web tool seems to set it to the inverse of what you'd expect. (setting 'low' on the web interface sets this option to 'high' etc.) So I was a little curious as to if the setting had a different meaning than the one you (and I) initially thought it meant. (eg: perhaps it's meaning impact on reconstruct speed rather than system performance, so 'low' means the least affect on reconstruct speed and therefore the most impact on system performance) I left it at 'low' since I figured the web interface probably knew the meaning of the option a little more than I did... Simon. -----Original Message----- From: Hill, Aaron [mailto:aaron.hill@cba.com.au] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 1:53 AM To: Simon Ferrett; toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool Simon, I don't know if you can directly increase the no. of simultaneous reconstructs. However, you may be able to improve the speed marginally by using the raid.reconstruct.perf_impact option and setting to high. However, if your cpu's are already maxxed it probably won't make a lick of difference. --- This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or his/her representative, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

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RE: [Fwd: More than one Admin machine for Netapps ???]
by Muhlestein, Mark 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

If you want to stay with UNIX, you can use the "smbcacls" program that is part of the Samba suite. That allows you to set Windows permissions from a UNIX client. Mark -----Original Message----- From: ken middleton [mailto:ken.middleton@durham.ac.uk] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 7:49 AM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: [Fwd: More than one Admin machine for Netapps ???] Anyone got any ideas about this one? I have a need to write a script to create qtrees on a Netapps Server. I have a UNIX Bourne shell script which does the job, however I need to set up windows permissions on them, specifically administrator = Full Access everyone = Read Access The default permissions are not appropriate when looked at from a Windows environment, so ideally I'd like to rewrite the script (it's not rocket science) to run from a windows environment and for it to carry on and do cacls operations on the qtree created. We've got Services for UNIX installed and have installed the Unix Tools but when I try to do an rsh to the Netapps, I get "permission denied" and "can't establish connection" messages. Anyone know how I can get around this? Can I somehow specify a second admin machine which is allowed to rsh? At the moment, the admin machine is a UNIX box. Ken Middleton Senior System Programmer Information Technology Service University of Durham

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RE: Ontap 6.5 ?
by Ratliff, Charlotte M 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

I just downloaded the 6.5.1R1, since I'm running the Hitachi GF940. I went to the download page on the now site, and at the bottom of the list of software is a small section to enter the specific software you want. Good Luck!!! Charlee -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] On Behalf Of Hill, Aaron Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 6:03 PM To: 'Rohan Durrant'; Frank Bonnet Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Ontap 6.5 ? I think 6.5.2P6 is the latest. If you can, go straight to it. We have had many, many problems with 6.5. -----Original Message----- From: Rohan Durrant [mailto:rohan@cs.rmit.edu.au] Sent: Thursday, 9 September 2004 10:01 PM To: Frank Bonnet Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: Ontap 6.5 ? Hi Frank, 6.5.1R1 has now become the GA release 6.5.2 :) Currently there are no releases of OnTap classed as FCS. If you reallly need 6.5.1R1, click on 6.5.2 to download, and modify the URL to show the version you require. I think there is somewhere on the Now site to enter a specific version of OnTap to download as well. Cheers On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 18:26, Frank Bonnet wrote: > Hi > > I've check now.netapp.com for new 6.5.x version > and notice that FCS releases disapeared from this page > is there a new page for it ? > > I run 6.5.1R1 on two filers > > Thanks -- ********************************************************************* Rohan Durrant Phone: +61 3 992 53210 Unix Systems Administrator Fax: +61 3 966 21617 RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia Work: rohan.at.cs.rmit.edu.au School of Computer Science & Info Tech. Play: noddy.at.toytown.org SAGE-AU National Exec http://www.sage-au.org.au ********************************************************************* ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool
by Maglinger, Paul 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

I'm not a programmer, but would be willing to test! -----Original Message----- From: Julian A. Zottl [mailto:jzottl@hq.nasa.gov] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 5:21 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: Re: New Simplified Monitoring Tool Hey Ben, Congrats, it looks great! If you need any help or beta testers, feel free to let me know! Julian Ben Rockwood wrote: > Hello Toasters. > > Some may have noticed my search for a simplified monitoring tool awhile back. Alas, I never found such a tool. So I finally broke down and just wrote my own. So far I've only got about 2 hours worth of developement into it, but it's mostly what I want already. I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in it or could propose suggestions for it. > > It's called "Toasterview" (I wanted to call it ToasterVision, but that seemed to silly) and you can see an example output page here: > > http://www.cuddletech.com/code/toasterview/europa.html > > Some notes about this sample page. Firstly, the Head image you see at top does, you'll notice, match the model of the filer so you can "see" what the head looks like reguarless of which model it is; right now F7x0, F8x0, F940 and F9x60 are handled. The logo image in the top right is, of course, intended to be changed to your company logo so that your boss is impressed. The global status box changes from green to red based on status. But, the most interesting and important part for me is the DF output. Using the DF SNMP table I can parse it up and display how I like, so I display volumes in nice round numbers (using 1024 insteal of 1000) for easy reading and a little bar graph that lets you see volume usage in an instant. Also, the last line of the DF table is a "Total" line. This simply adds up the data from all the non-snapshot volumes and displays this information like anything else. It's kinda nifty to be able to take 1 look and confidently say "We're using X% of! > the filers capacity" rather than just approximating off the top of your head. > > Anyway, this is the kind of tool I want. I need to clean up the source so it's pretty and then I'll GPL it. Anyone interested or what to make suggestions? > > I should note that I'm actually supplimenting this page you see with extra data at the bottom as supplied by RRD graphs and such... however that stuff is all system specific whereas my current script as demostrated works on any NetApp Filer (I guess NetCache too). The colors and stuff need tweeking, but you get the general idea. > > benr.

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New Simplified Monitoring Tool
by Ben Rockwood 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

Hello Toasters. Some may have noticed my search for a simplified monitoring tool awhile back. Alas, I never found such a tool. So I finally broke down and just wrote my own. So far I've only got about 2 hours worth of developement into it, but it's mostly what I want already. I thought I'd see if anyone else was interested in it or could propose suggestions for it. It's called "Toasterview" (I wanted to call it ToasterVision, but that seemed to silly) and you can see an example output page here: http://www.cuddletech.com/code/toasterview/europa.html Some notes about this sample page. Firstly, the Head image you see at top does, you'll notice, match the model of the filer so you can "see" what the head looks like reguarless of which model it is; right now F7x0, F8x0, F940 and F9x60 are handled. The logo image in the top right is, of course, intended to be changed to your company logo so that your boss is impressed. The global status box changes from green to red based on status. But, the most interesting and important part for me is the DF output. Using the DF SNMP table I can parse it up and display how I like, so I display volumes in nice round numbers (using 1024 insteal of 1000) for easy reading and a little bar graph that lets you see volume usage in an instant. Also, the last line of the DF table is a "Total" line. This simply adds up the data from all the non-snapshot volumes and displays this information like anything else. It's kinda nifty to be able to take 1 look and confidently say "We're using X% of the filers capacity" rather than just approximating off the top of your head. Anyway, this is the kind of tool I want. I need to clean up the source so it's pretty and then I'll GPL it. Anyone interested or what to make suggestions? I should note that I'm actually supplimenting this page you see with extra data at the bottom as supplied by RRD graphs and such... however that stuff is all system specific whereas my current script as demostrated works on any NetApp Filer (I guess NetCache too). The colors and stuff need tweeking, but you get the general idea. benr.

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RE: Ontap 6.5 ?
by graham.adams＠bt.com 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

We WERE running 6.5.1R1P12 - until NFS permanently stopped working on our FAS960c (cluster), caused by a bug involving DNS. The "fix" was to upgrade immediately to 6.5.2P6 . -- Graham Adams -----Original Message----- From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com]On Behalf Of James Brigman Sent: 10 September 2004 05:01 To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Ontap 6.5 ? It cannot be true that 6.5.1R1 = 6.5.2 because: - at one time, both were available on NOW, - 6.5.1R1 and DFM 3.0 together will panic a filer - 6.5.2 is the fix for the bug I know because I'm running 6.5.1R1 right now and cannot upgrade DFM without going to 6.5.2. JKB > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] > On Behalf Of Rohan Durrant > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:01 AM > To: Frank Bonnet > Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Ontap 6.5 ? > > Hi Frank, > > 6.5.1R1 has now become the GA release 6.5.2 :) Currently there are no > releases of OnTap classed as FCS. If you reallly need 6.5.1R1, click on > 6.5.2 to download, and modify the URL to show the version you require. I > think there is somewhere on the Now site to enter a specific version of > OnTap to download as well. > > Cheers > > On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 18:26, Frank Bonnet wrote: > > Hi > > > > I've check now.netapp.com for new 6.5.x version > > and notice that FCS releases disapeared from this page > > is there a new page for it ? > > > > I run 6.5.1R1 on two filers > > > > Thanks > -- > ********************************************************************* > Rohan Durrant Phone: +61 3 992 53210 > Unix Systems Administrator Fax: +61 3 966 21617 > RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia Work: rohan.at.cs.rmit.edu.au > School of Computer Science & Info Tech. Play: noddy.at.toytown.org > SAGE-AU National Exec http://www.sage-au.org.au > ********************************************************************* >

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RE: Ontap 6.5 ?
by Hill, Aaron 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

My guess is that 6.5.1R1 was removed due to the many problems it had and replaced with the 6.5.2 offering. As I mentioned before, 6.5.2 is no bed of roses. So if you must go up, go for 6.5.2P6 to fix a couple of nasty problems. My experience with 6.5 says stick with 6.4 releases if you can. Unless you absolutely need the new features of 6.5. Aaron -----Original Message----- From: James Brigman [mailto:jbrigman@nc.rr.com] Sent: Friday, 10 September 2004 2:01 PM To: toasters(a)mathworks.com Subject: RE: Ontap 6.5 ? It cannot be true that 6.5.1R1 = 6.5.2 because: - at one time, both were available on NOW, - 6.5.1R1 and DFM 3.0 together will panic a filer - 6.5.2 is the fix for the bug I know because I'm running 6.5.1R1 right now and cannot upgrade DFM without going to 6.5.2. JKB > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-toasters(a)mathworks.com [mailto:owner-toasters@mathworks.com] > On Behalf Of Rohan Durrant > Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 8:01 AM > To: Frank Bonnet > Cc: toasters(a)mathworks.com > Subject: Re: Ontap 6.5 ? > > Hi Frank, > > 6.5.1R1 has now become the GA release 6.5.2 :) Currently there are no > releases of OnTap classed as FCS. If you reallly need 6.5.1R1, click on > 6.5.2 to download, and modify the URL to show the version you require. I > think there is somewhere on the Now site to enter a specific version of > OnTap to download as well. > > Cheers > > On Thu, 2004-09-09 at 18:26, Frank Bonnet wrote: > > Hi > > > > I've check now.netapp.com for new 6.5.x version > > and notice that FCS releases disapeared from this page > > is there a new page for it ? > > > > I run 6.5.1R1 on two filers > > > > Thanks > -- > ********************************************************************* > Rohan Durrant Phone: +61 3 992 53210 > Unix Systems Administrator Fax: +61 3 966 21617 > RMIT University, Melbourne, Australia Work: rohan.at.cs.rmit.edu.au > School of Computer Science & Info Tech. Play: noddy.at.toytown.org > SAGE-AU National Exec http://www.sage-au.org.au > ********************************************************************* > ************** IMPORTANT MESSAGE ************** This e-mail message is intended only for the addressee(s) and contains information which may be confidential. If you are not the intended recipient please advise the sender by return email, do not use or disclose the contents, and delete the message and any attachments from your system. Unless specifically indicated, this email does not constitute formal advice or commitment by the sender or the Commonwealth Bank of Australia (ABN 48 123 123 124) or its subsidiaries. We can be contacted through our web site: commbank.com.au. If you no longer wish to receive commercial electronic messages from us, please reply to this e-mail by typing Unsubscribe in the subject line. ***************************************************************

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RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool
by Simon Ferrett 10 Sep '04

10 Sep '04

All the drives on the shelf disappeared from the system when it "wedged" so they were marked failed (or just missing). When I initially made the volumes, I organized raid groups such that there's only one drive from any given raid group on a shelf. So with 12 disks in a shelf and 7 shelves in the system (for example, on the R100) I have my raidgroup size set to 7 and make sure that when the volumes were created or expanded that the disks were added in groups of 7 by name, one from each shelf. I organized it that way exactly for this failure case - losing a whole shelf. When the drives disappeard there weren't enough spares to rebuild (until we powercycled the shelf) so most of the raid groups were running one disk short, but they didn't go offline since they only had one missing disk. Because the volumes didn't go offline, the disks couldn't be reassimilated into the system after the reboot because they were now out of date, so they all became spares. So basically the system has to rebuild one drive from each of the 12 raid groups on the system - two at a time. The netapp folks chalked it up to a bug and I updated them to 6.5.2. Luckily the systems are internally used so the downtime wasn't a huge deal. Not something I want to recur on a regular basis, and with data on the volumes it was a bit of a heart-stopper when it started happening. Lukcy for me I suppose there was no data lost. Simon. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Christian [mailto:mchristi@yahoo-inc.com] Subject: RE: New Simplified Monitoring Tool How did a shelf hang result in 10 failed drives? And how did you avoid a double disk failure with that many failures? --- This email message and any attachments are for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information. Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure or distribution is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient or his/her representative, please contact the sender by reply email and destroy all copies of the original message.

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